Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall Sequel | Wayward Realms | KICKSTARTER NOW

Two of the lead developers of Elder Scrolls 2 Daggerfall have assembled a studio and are working on Spiritual Successor known as Wayward Realms. They have a Kickstarter up. I'm going to be discussing Daggerfall, the typical pitfalls of Kickstarter, and Wayward Realms itself.
TLDW: I like it.

[@Zhakaron]

Wayward Realms Kickstarter: www.kickstarter.com/projects/oncelostgames/the-wayward-realms Wayward Realms Discord: discord.com/invite/pEC4hjTqAt Wayward Realms KZbin: kzbin.info

[@cyberninjazero5659]

I find it amusing that in the time it took to make this video, the Kickstarter met its goal, Congrats OnceLostGames

[@memegazer]

Thanks for covering the kickstarter...haven't seen you in the discord in a while

[@suburbanindie]

Wayward Realms looks incredible. It's like a love letter to Western RPGs

[@avatar19822]

Even though they surpassed their goal, I still did my part and pledged $40. I've been a fan of Elder Scrolls since 1995 and am very excited for this project.

[@QubeZ-one]

Have you seen the new update of OpenTESArena? Any chance we see a full playthrough of the game once the full release comes out?

[@OnceLostGames]

Always a pleasure to watch one of your videos and even more so when it is about our project. Thank you for the coverage and helping to spread the word!

[@abrahamlinc3412]

Daggerfart

[@Slimsoj]

Best of luck!

[@suburbanindie]

This is gonna blow up. RPGs are having a renaissance right now.

[@avatar19822]

You guys have all of our support! I still chipped in $40 despite your goal already being reached. :) I've been a TES fan since 1995!

[@Jambara]

@OnceLostGames I really hope you guys go the route of using the kickstarter to fund a early access build and sell the early access, I fear finding a publisher would harm the vision for the game.

[@timthetoolpool]

I love Zaric's customer service voice.

[@ryanadams0922]

Same

[@gabrielhagetv]

😂😂😂

[@JezaGaia]

I'm reasonably optimistic about this game? They did already reach their minimum required amount on kikstarter so that's one step achieved. Then comes the risk of launching early access but IF they actually manage to make their procedurally generated story work this could prevent one of the biggest issues with early access games : fatigue. When you get an early access game you only get part of the game, and appart for some very rare exceptions you 'll never play a game more than a couple of times. So before the game is even finished you are done with it because there will rarely be enough added content between ea and full release to make you play it again. And this leaves you with the impression of a game much more underwhelming than you were promised because you only played a 70 or 80% version of it in EA and never the full version after release. With procedural generation impacting the story this could be prevented because you'll never play the same story twice, it offers so much replayablility that if you like the gameplay you'll have no issue finding interest in it at launch even if you played it earlier.

[@Soul_Tomato]

Was a no brainer dropping money on this one. Did the same thing with System Shock as you did and also loved it. I’m confident this will live up to our hopes at least in some way. Great video.

[@alphasword5541]

😮 😮 😮 CK3 Man

[@crazyjamese1061]

Ever since I found your channel when looking up how to get TES 1 Arena working. I've found no end of quality content on this channel as well as my love for the older dungeon crawling life simulator games. Can't wait to see what wayward realms becomes, and I too hope it lives up to the game that inspired it.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

First I've heard of this.

[@FeiFongWang]

Fake fan

[@thomasrosendahl2783]

I respect that you and Zaric have Daggerfall as your favourite game, but let us be real here, nobody wants to play a game from 1996 when better games like Dragon Age Origins, Red Dead Redemption 2, DOS2 or Baldurs Gate 3 is available.

[@residentorangejuice]

@@thomasrosendahl2783 Not true. I played all of the above, and still I was amazed by the scale and ambition of Daggerfall. It felt like a different universe.

[@Zhakaron]

So Thomas you are talking about a niche product being niche. I even mentioned that in this here video, believe it or not. For all the things those games you listed do, they do not scratch the same itch Daggerfall does. Kenshi comes close, but even that's different.

[@JackGhetto]

Hey man. Whilst I don't want to drag up bad feelings for the sake of it and I'm willing to believe I might have missed something since, what's your opinion on this? I read your thing you posted about leaving the project and I've been super curious about how you feel now we're at this point.

[@TheMarcone1985]

This game and also Kenshi 2 are the most important games for me in this era ...i realized i have no exictement for any AAA production ...even Dragon age, instead i am hoping that ex bioware members in the new Archetype entertainment will make great stuff with Exodus

[@Zhakaron]

I have about 180 games on my Steam Wishlist, with tons of games I own/have-installed haven't played yet. Outside of FF14 if new games paused for a couple years I'd be okay with that.

[@TheMarcone1985]

@@Zhakaron understandable

[@RyuDouro]

Cant wait to give the emperor the middle finger again as he gives me the main quest and I go off to never think about it again.

[@darththork99]

I've given more money to the kickstarter than I should have XD

[@Duranous.]

I really wouldn't believe they could pull this type of procedural generation without the technical genius of Julian Lefay. Having such a massive world feel explorable and not a wasteland, procedural world events, a virtual gamemaster, and all the other mechanics they talked about seems like a difficult endeavor.

[@MultiSpeedMetal]

I'm not confident in them making it not feel soulless. Daggerfall is interesting as a novelty but has fundamental problems related to the design. I would like a hybrid approach with handcrafted writing, lore, and locations like in Morrowind but with the extra systems of Daggerfall. The map can be big with some procedural generation, but Daggerfall's is so big that it breaks the supposed simulator feel it's going for because you basically have to fast travel and there's no detail in the world. Otherwise, I think this will feel like fantasy Starfield.

[@epitaph3988]

I mean you need to keep in mind when exactly Daggerfall was released and how short its development cycle was. Just the scope and scale of the game alone was unbelievably ambitious for 1996 (never mind the fact that it was developed in a mere 2 years) and the technology simply wasn't there at the time for the devs to fully realize their vision, hence why it feels so empty and repetitive. With how far game design has come in the past 30 years (especially procedural generation) I think the devs deserve a bit of optimism.

[@solid_snek]

My biggest gripes with Daggerfall are the clunky controls, inconsistent art style, and visual presentation as a whole (not graphical fidelity, mind you). If the Wayward Realms achieved nothing but more natural looking proc gen environments and good controls, being on par with Daggerfall otherwise, it would be a masterpiece in my opinion. Looking good so far, and definitely worth the KS backing.

[@wu1ming9shi]

Once they manage to get this project fully off the ground, I hope we will have a lot of modding possibilities like in the elder scrolls games. Heck, imagine the possibilities if the players could write their own quest bits and these to the game too!

[@roozbeh6999]

One of my favorites things that happened to me in daggerfall was that the temple i served at gave me a mission to go to a dungeon to find and destroy an " evil holy water " . After i found the said evil holy water , it turned into a succubus and tried to seduce me . 10/10 truly a work of art

[@Jarleale]

Thanks for this informative video! Looking very much forward to the early access.

[@leek6927]

I was waiting for you to release a video about this

[@LostHorizons0]

I’m excited for the possibly as a tes and Daggerfall fan and hope it turns out great but I’m not going to give away any money on an idea that may never come. But I will purchase it if it does.

[@darken2417]

If I had the money I'd definitely kickstart this at a high tier just so I can troll the devs and have them make one of the Nymphs be a loli. Or something fun with the Malus tier. Alas, they have nothing to fear from me as I've been job hunting for a year.

[@wolverine005]

Do you have a video where you go over all the juicy Daggerfall mods?

[@cwalser544]

I play Vanilla games. If I have to mod them, then I don't think it's worth of my attention. I love Daggerfall. The only bug that needs to be fixed is when you sheath your weapon, an audio bug goes off like crazy. That sucks. But to be honest I'm fine with Vanilla.

[@Zhakaron]

An example of a game I love to pieces but never mod is Chrono Trigger, my favorite video game. Played about 400 hours of it over the years. But I haven't played it in several years, I've done everything there is to do. Contrast that to Daggerfall where I've played THOUSANDS of hours because I get these unofficial sequels in the form of modding. More and more new experiences in a familiar framework. I don't feel that the original experience I had vanilla was invalidated in any way, nor would I recommend someone mod the game right out of the gate, but puritanism is self-limiting.

[@LostHorizons0]

I’m with you too I don’t use mods either. I feel like you are taking someone else’s foreign idea and bringing into a already existing world and that feels gross to me but to each their own.

[@LordVader1094]

​@@LostHorizons0Gross? Maybe for some mods, but many are purposefully made to invisibly blend with the vanilla game if you didn't know better

[@Zhakaron]

I will categorically reject all appeals to authority on what is or isn't a "REAL" game. Mods, Fan Games, Homebrew Modules for Tabletop, I'm all about all of this. We can separate things based on authorial intent, what the author wanted versus what the additions or modifications were, and that's fine and I respect it. That said, none of it precludes the existence of derived works. I said this back in my fallout video, Brand IP Canon only has value to have a common frame of reference, after which we need to start viewing art more like art and less like religions. None of it is sacred and we should all be taking our own cracks at it.

[@Elrohof]

@@LordVader1094 Eh, that is often done in a clumsy manner. Take RimWorlds "Vanilla Expanded" series of mods (I don't think I'm kidding if I'm saying there's 100+ mods in the series). Just a single one of those adds SO MUCH that every menu you have to navigate gets bogged down, diluting the experience. Not to mention that a lot of the stuff added is leagues more powerful than vanilla items, and if not they've added intense quirks to the system to balance it, with the caveat that you can farm some rare item to finally offset the quirks. Modders with the capability to capture the 'vanilla' feel is a rare breed.

[@larochejaquelein3680]

I´ve just started playing Daggerfall and I love it. It doesn´t hold your hands like Skyrim does

[@raybrandt]

Very excited too

[@unkosherfood]

this looks awesome. i hope this takes off.

[@regntonne]

Really something to look forward to!

[@JChaosMaster]

This is the only game i ever payed a kick starter to. It will be the last i ever pay a kick starter to

[@felipegcampos6319]

Me too

[@solid_snek]

@@felipegcampos6319 First one for me as well. Even if the game totally flops, just the potential of this game alone is worth it.

[@JChaosMaster]

@solid_snek that's what I say. More you there, "Vote with your wallet," and this feels like that moment. Screw ES6 after the anniversary junk made Skyrim worst and the third attempt at paid mods thing I'm done. I will wabbajack 5 to the limit and pray wayward can be at least alright. Es6 I will buy after it get to 20$ or ignore it completely if they try to pull the same efforts.

[@solid_snek]

@@JChaosMaster What to expect from TES 6: Paid mods, linear chosen somethingborn story, poor writing and dialogue, major cities the size of dinky hamlets, and at least 50 dungeons. 32 times the detail, that just works!

[@JChaosMaster]

@solid_snek honestly I was ready to ditch anything Bethesda makes hate them because of what they did to Skyrim. This games looks so much better for Role play

[@Muten1988]

Looking at the normal progression of these projects: It needs to get funded first (crowdfund) Then they will probably start fishing for a publisher to get additional funds. A playable build will enter early access, and stay there for who knows how long. The game releases it's 1.0 Several updates later the game is finished The finished product goes on sale

[@keanuxu5435]

I want Wayward Realms to release close to TES6 and fucking *SHAME* Bethesda and expose them for lazy hacks who coasted on the works of legends

[@VM-hl8ms]

you know, i'm something of a person of culture myself.

[@solid_snek]

The trajectory of the more recent Bethesda games certainly paints a grim picture. After creation club, the last excuse to cut them some slack vanished in my mind.

[@THE_REAL_MISFIT]

I'm skeptical, but I would really love a modern day Daggerfall.

[@intecrisis]

I don't think the "fetch quest" style of quest on its own is necessarily bad if the gameworld is dynamic enough to make going to x location memorable enough. It's why once I started playing stalker with its super dynamic a-life engine I couldn't go back to playing fallout

[@wile123456]

My man's stream graphics looks like a 90's personal website talking about niche mods for RPG's

[@VM-hl8ms]

come on, it looks much newer.

[@beyasal]

They should get Chris Avellone and Robert Kurvitz on board.

[@vaengr2695]

Chris actually endorsed the game on twitter. He's been willing to work with indie/AA devs before (disco elysium comes to mind) but I'd think if he was to join the team, it would be way way later in development

[@michaelfraker6302]

ZZ is da best.

[@LBurhenn]

Stretch goals always make me hesitate. If they make the stretch goals ... the game will take longer to make. I've seen games meet a long list of stretch goal, so much so that the release date was pushed back over a year. Like I'd rather have the game as early as possible, and through the income of those sales the dev add things to the game (updates) or even DLC for sale. I don't want to help fund a great game that I'll be dead before I can play it.

[@OnceLostGames]

The stretch goals we have are ones we are confident in. The goal is to be able to bring on more team members full time to add those extras within the Early Access launch timeframe. Otherwise they will come along as updates or with the full game launch.

[@felipegcampos6319]

I will post here an answer from one of the devs on the WR discord about a similar question: Punch Elf: The stretch goals are to implement more into the EA build within the same development timeline as the 800k. They would allow us to pay more of our developers who can then implement this stuff, and it would look much more appealing to a publisher. The plan is to take the vertical slice to a publisher and ask for funding The vertical slice (the Early Access build) is what we'll be showing them The text on the Kickstarter page basically outlines what the full game will have

[@palentier1]

I miss the frenetic hand gesturing.

[@Andrekuma100]

What's your current Daggerfall load order?

[@derrickjohnson4952]

While I prefer a handcrafted world wayward realms looks very Interesting.

[@DoctorEviloply]

I have several concerns. First, the one Indigo raised a few years ago. That the "OG's" and La Fey in particular had lost interest and were merely vestigal and phoning the game in. Leaving the game to be developed by a group of young and inexperienced volunteers who couldn't even figure out Daggerfall's first dungeon, then there's the plan for the kickstarter to build awareness for investors. Which I find so painfully naive. What if that doesn't work? Another kickstarter with diminshing returns? I've been round the block a few times with Kickstarter and can't help but suspect those donating to this one are ignorant of the many crowdfunded failures. And the "this one is different" fallacy. There are just too many red flags for me.

[@mrZanZibar777]

Yeah Indigo's video came to mind immediately, can't trust that Le Fay et al have got their shit together in the years since.

[@jigglypuff3311]

Finally, healthy skepticism. I didn't have high hopes for the game either, and after looking at their 'stretch goals' I'm more than a little put off by it. Gating different playable races and lorebooks based off of how much money they get. Lorebooks for Christ's sake, they should have already been written awhile ago, especially with such an experienced writer at the helm. Which means that they have content ready to go and are withholding it from people for money (on this alleged passion project), or a project 5 years in still doesn't have all the lore of the world figured out.

[@OnceLostGames]

We greatly appreciate everything that Indigo did for the project and have acknowledged that the team was not focused, but his leaving did serve as a wake-up call and more staff was brought on board including in key positions to make meaningful progress. We have plenty of experienced team members. This isn't a modding project. We are aware of the complexities of landing a publisher and were very reluctant to go the Kickstarter route until recently. The truth is that Daggerfall 2.0 needs to prove it has an audience, which is something the Kickstarter is helping to achieve, as well as getting us to a point that we have a solid showcase. If we cannot land a publisher, then we continue on as we have been updating our Early Access build. We are confident that the prologue chapter will offer plenty in terms of gameplay, narrative and replayability to satisfy our backers. Now, as far as backing, we understand the hesitancy and don't fault anyone who wants to wait until there is a finished product. Kickstarter is a risk and we make that clear. We also have taken steps to minimize that risk as much as possible, but it will never be fool proof.

[@DoctorEviloply]

@@OnceLostGames You know what, I respect you for actually replying and being good about it. I wish you all the best. I want the game to be good. So we'll see what happens.

[@OnceLostGames]

@@jigglypuff3311 It is not a matter of gating content off. We have plenty of lorebooks ready to go, but with more money, we can pay more of our writers to create more content. It is as simple as that. The goals are meant to be reasonable and achievable. We don't want to promise something that is out of reach.

[@mrZanZibar777]

After Indigo Gaming's video on this (he was involved with the project but quit after realizing there was only so much he could do to babysit Le Fay and that the game just wasn't going anywhere, my phrasing not his), I can't consider backing it. Sounds like it was a total shitshow starting from the top. Hopefully they've figured it out and are actually trustworthy now.

[@OnceLostGames]

It was a long time ago, and the team we have now has grown exponentially since Indigo's time. Looking through our devlogs and gameplay video should show you that we have made a lot of progress since then.

[@lofeofzofe5017]

Hope they can make something good here. From the trailer it looks very "nintendo hire this man" which kinda makes it hard to get immersed in the world. But hey its very early footage hopefully they can refine it a lot. I'm not someone to rly care for graphics in rpgs, but still it shouldn't be distracting from the intended experience.

[@OnceLostGames]

Do you mean lower fidelity graphics or what specifically is it you mean? We like to take criticism so this is a genuine inquiry for more info.

[@tomaszpawlik5091]

not to be mean, but i think this game might be a scam. Too many promises,too much money, not enough done

[@Zhakaron]

I signed an NDA so I can't talk about everything but I can tell you that if they fail to deliver a product it'll have had a good faith effort leading to that failure. There's no scam here, but the risks are real.

[@tomaszpawlik5091]

@@Zhakaron From what i understood they are still waiting for the money required to even start making the game. man, they give out these ndas like candy

[@calogix]

It's gonna suck. Has all the usual features of a company that's about to take your money and run once the game fails. The Dead Linger, Dead Matter, etc. and numerous other games during the Greenlit era of Steam.

[@OnceLostGames]

We have been working on this game as a volunteer team for over 4 years now. That is a crazy amount of time to put into something just to scam people. The truth is we want this game as much as anyone else and we have been and are willing to do whatever it takes to make it.

[@calogix]

@@OnceLostGames i don’t doubt that you care, i know the developers of this game do want to make their project a reality but so do many other game devs but the sad reality is that your kind of project, ambitious and what people want, never end well. sorry not sorry for my cynicism but i do hope you prove me wrong

[@OnceLostGames]

@@calogix fair enough

[@FSK69]

I worry about this game making Orcs a matriarchal society who worship female Gods, while sending their men off to fight. It really bothers me that they chose to go this route with what is supposed to be a fantasy RPG without ties to politics and social agendas. I hope it will be good, but i am no longer convinced....

[@Zhakaron]

There are tons of fantasy worlds with matriarchal socialites. This is nothing new or revolutionary. Go hang out in the Underdark for a while.

[@queuedjar4578]

People have asked this in a couple community responses and they said they have no interest or intention of bringing modern day real life politics into their games. There will be politics, naturally as they're trying to create a living breathing world with multiple factions that may align with or oppose one another, but ones that are exclusively confined to the game world itself.

[@FSK69]

@@ZhakaronAnd yet...the Drow of the Unnerdark worship both male and female gods, unlike our orcs here, who worship a skinny female god, as their image of strength. It's not the woman leadership i am having isues with, but the all female pantheon, in a society where men are still the warriors.... It's just nonsensical to me... If women orcs are so strong that they even have a god in their image, then why still send the men to fight?

[@andrewxiaoping1852]

You mean like the Drow?

[@simonkapadia7582]

There is no worldbuilding of any seriousness without what you would describe as politics, all that is happening here is that you are allowing your personal rather strange hang-ups to interfere with your ability to judge something on its merits. I strongly suspect, by which I mean I feel certain that identical scenarios would not bother you if they did not happen to impinge on your personal hang-ups. That is to say, alternative organisations of a social system that someone could choose to view as political in the same way you have done, including indeed the race-based slavery in morrowind.

[@kunaguero6725]

Hello time traveler 👋 How goes the 90’s?

[@JanB56]

0:35 Appreciated

[@BlottyWellRite]

My first ever Kickstarter I participated in.

[@sirdetmist3204]

I think it will go fine as it is targeting a niche that lack real options. There is nothing really to compete with it, I also believe they are making this game because they want to and that changes things. A rough diamond is a diamond none the less and that is what I expect this game to be. It wont be perfect and its size, scale and scope guarantee bugs and teething issue. I am ok with that as what they are going for is ambitious. If you shoot for the moon and dont quite make it I can forgive that. However if you do what most modern game devs do and shoot for the nearest target and miss I cant forgive that.

[@Vyleea]

Looks like they already reached their minimum funding goal. Wish them the best from here on out. Half a million is quickly spend if you have to pay multiple professionals a living wage.

[@Elrohof]

Kickstarter goals are always low-balled to give us a "look, our goal was reached, this is now a sure thing"-feel to it. But yes, they hope to appeal to a publisher for additional funding, all while Kickstarter funds can continue trickling in.

[@jigglypuff3311]

Elrohof is correct, 'this game reached its kickstarter goal IN 10 DAYS' is great marketing for the game and for news sites. I saw they said they have about 40 people on the team, which for a year of development, is like $12k a year. Its obviously not going to be chopped up like that, but publisher/investor money is still gonna be needed.

[@wingedhussar1453]

50k is minum for most devs actually I think

[@lougaboux]

Have been a big fan of yours for a while. Loved this video, thanks ❤

[@whitewolfchronicles]

I really like what I have seen for Wayward Realms, even at this early stage. I'm going to help these guys out when money gets back to flowing. Buying baby stuff for a year pretty much drained my extra rupees.

[@10111269]

been waiting for this. i encourage everyone to back it

[@smitty1647]

the video is only a few hours old and the kickstarter has already exceeded its goal 👍

[@felipegcampos6319]

there are stretch goals still

[@torrb420]

We just want Daggerfall 2 dammit. Lets go boys.

[@barnicskobalazs]

Commenting to promote meaningful content.

[@Justin-v9r]

I pledged for me and my girl, and I don't even think they can do it, unless they get some serious funding from a good producer; but I applaud ambition wherever I see it, and my hat's off to the actual creators of The Elder Scrolls. I'm 100% in their corner, and I wish them total success.

[@TRKTKO]

Wow it looks amazing!

[@robintst]

I'd like to be cautiously optimistic about Wayward Realms but I'm not sure yet if I want to back the Kickstarter. Of the 4 Kickstarters I ever pledged money to over the last 10 years, only one of them delivered completely and honestly on what they proposed which was Michael Mendheim's Mutant Football League.

[@OnceLostGames]

Nothing wrong with waiting until it is fully released. We understand.

[@willferrous8677]

I am so happy that this is a thing. Thank you for sharing this news.

[@Agent789_0]

Do you have a mods list anywhere for the mods you use when you play Daggerfall? Or do you only use Daggerfall Unity?

[@mpo48]

You actually believe this game is ever coming out?

[@toxica3607]

The master has finally spoken. I have been waiting for this. ❤

[@spicydeath82]

forgot about it. thanks Zaric, just backed it.

[@PaulGutierrez8605]

yes!

[@wingedhussar1453]

I payed for the early acces

[@godlyobject6509]

So unbelievably looking forward to this!

[@ranyar_]

Its none of my business, but what tier of the campaign did you back?

[@Zhakaron]

I've backed nothing yet because I paid double rent, professional movers, and a truck to move on top of just normal life expenses/bills and don't feel this is worth dipping into savings for. I'll back it after I'm paid. Probably $20-40. In terms of video games, we've got Dawntrail and Shadow of the Erdtree. That's not counting a whole host of indie games out around now too.

[@gnosnaz]

​@@Zhakaron Have you played Caves of Qud?? It's pretty amazing.

[@user_friendly_9388]

This is why I subscribed to you! What a fantastic set of news for the old guard of DF players! Unfortunately after the latest fiasco by many big studios, my heart now goes to Indie Studios and Modders, the ones who really want to carry the franchise it seems... After buying my latest setup I've doing little gaming of new titles for this very reason. Rather give this and things like Skywind a chance, dropped Starfield after -50 hours of gameplay... I hope someone gets the memo soon, thankfully numbers are tanking, so this time around we don't get the whole *"we need to reach more people"* set of bullcrap line anymore.

[@DancesRainyStreets]

I agree. If the goal is to reach as many people as possible, then it's about delivering a product, and not a game anymore.

[@jigglypuff3311]

Hope your move is going smoothly, Zaric.

[@intecrisis]

Stalker 2 also has plans on nonlinear narrative that are supposed to be amazing. I hope there is soon a boom in non linear storytelling

[@victoriasalter1064]

Love this!

[@flowerbugler]

[@metazare]

Once Lost Games is a fitting name for a development team considering the state of the industry.

[@liamliam4479]

First comment 💪🏻

[@hermestrismegistus9142]

I admire this project, but unfortunately, I suspect that AGI will render it moot.

[@HookahOtaku]

AGI?

[@bobman3093]

Will you return to starfield after the new updates and upcoming dlc?

[@Zhakaron]

Yeah, I'm going to wait out the DLC and modding for a while, but I certainly do want to play again.

[@Alteredfrenzy]

They started talking about this years ago, to the point that one guy on their team gave up because the main guys just weren't doing shit. Maybe they've only recently organized enough to get started, but I am skeptical.

[@Kordoot]

Hey Zaric, have you ever played disco elysium?

[@Zhakaron]

Yes. The studio fired the people who made it, there'll never be another game just like it.

[@Kordoot]

@@Zhakaron I agree completely

[@Neves7561]

Placing co-op into the highest milestone is kind of a bummer.

[@KubinWielki]

It's still planned for the full game anyway. Milestone is meant to get it in early access as well.

[@VM-hl8ms]

nah, it's ok. 🙂

[@OnceLostGames]

It is something we are planning and even if we cannot get it in during early access, it is still planned for the final game.

[@jasonpenick7498]

Except its not Elder Scrolls 2 by any stretch, and to label it as such is an entire disservice to Daggerfall. Stop creaming yourself over what looks to be an some shitty media artwork on a Kickstarter. You all are going to be severely disappointed if this game ever releases.

[@Zhakaron]

Every one of these kiddos is going to have to have their own Shroud of the Avatar sooner or later. May as well be this time, or not. That's the great thing about not knowing the future.