Zig Programming Language

The Zig programming is an interesting "new" programming language for low level or systems level programming. In many ways you can think of it as a better C, with very good interop, as well as modern language features.
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[@ZigSHOWTIME]

FOR GREAT JUSTICE! ⚡

[@hugoqueva]

Just watched the video and already fell in love with this language

[@AbhinavKulshreshtha]

Finally zig getting attention it deserves. It's a good programming language. Last time I used it, it was 0.5.x .

[@tomhaswell6283]

It's the next evolutionary step of C/C++ IMO

[@rei2502]

@@tomhaswell6283 what about Rust?

[@caasieu]

@@rei2502 people just say stupid stuff like that when there’s hype. C++ isn’t going anywhere, Rust aint going anywhere zig will meep finding it’s place in the industry but will not replace anything per say

[@ThePC007]

6:00 Afaik, a compiler that can re-compile code in under 1 ms is in the works. The way it works is you keep it running in the background while you code and it only re-compiles the code that you change, which is great for rapid development.

[@ruffianeo3418]

... and after 20 further years of evolution, it will have 80% of what Common Lisp had since 30 years :)

[@32gigs96]

@@ruffianeo3418 unlike lisp it will be readable with STATIC types

[@andrewferguson6901]

@@32gigs96 unlike lisp it will be readable

[@mrlightningbolt1302]

@@andrewferguson6901 Unlike lisp

[@casualoutlaw540]

@@32gigs96 You should try Clojure, it's quite readable if you use a proper editor.

[@Demagogify]

You missed great compile-time programming, which makes generic possible and easy code-gen. Built-in support for async. Custom allocators everywhere, with several accessible from the standard library and few more. Zig is C with less footguns.

[@MR3DDev]

Next Video: Zag Programming Language A good companion to Zig.

[@nialltracey2599]

Zag would have to be the IDE, surely...?

[@MR3DDev]

@@nialltracey2599 sorry I only make funny comments but I have no idea about programming xD

[@puffleperson]

That's actually the name of the upcoming self hosted compiler

[@DavidEvans_dle]

I thought Zag was Zig with classes, for OOP?

[@puffleperson]

@@DavidEvans_dle Never heard of that project. I know they considered adding them to zig for w ahile though.

[@technologicalwaste7612]

The syntax is common to most 'new' languages. What I have observed from commenters is that programmers experienced with Rust and Go are very easily able learn and use Zig, whereas programmers coming from only C and C++ struggle a bit more.

[@jsonkody]

also JS ... undefined xD

[@eduardabramovich1216]

Hi man, thanks for this videos, in this case, now that you have checked Odin and Zig, which one do you prefer or consider more appropriate to write, let's say, a new Unreal Engine from scratch?

[@idhank_5450]

You missed a few lines on it's first-class cross compilation support Awesome video anyways, as always

[@DylanMatthewTurner]

I was thinking just yesterday about what languages are made specifically for games! I couldn't think of very many lol. I only knew of GDScript and GML, but even those are arguably just versions of Python and Delphi, respectively, even if I think they've been modified enough to count.

[@SylvanFeanturi]

Most languages specific for gamedev are scripting languages attached to a particular game engine, like GDScript or UnrealScript (Unreal Engine 3/UDK). I'm sure there's plenty of 3rd party scripting languages (like Angelscript or SkookumScript for Unreal Engine 4) or even more general languages (e.x. BeefLang). As for real general-purpose programming languages with gamedev as their foundation - the only one that comes to mind is Haxe. I'm sure there are more - there are always more programming languages ;)

[@Nandu2794]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/inmch3aEa7qer7M Jai is exactly what you're looking for (in closed beta rn)

[@Wix92]

Nim started out as a language for game development, but it evolved into a general purpose language eventually.

[@lukewilson199]

You've also got Jai, but that isn't released, and honestly, Zig will probably be better than it anyways.

[@radioleta]

There is one called beef

[@lorensims4846]

Whee! I've heard about Zig but never knew much about it. Thanks for all the links. I've always been all about C. My main question has always been 'why zig?' but you've answered that pretty well. I never have and never will use Windows, but I''ll check it out.

[@markelishaev617]

Thanks for the video and the great content! Did you look into dart programming language?

[@gamefromscratch]

Just in so much as in the Flutter 2 video. Outside Flutter, Dart is pretty much not used.

[@websterek]

Please add direct links to video topic sites in description, it will be much more convenient

[@HE360]

Zig, because programming languages are all you need!

[@lukewilson199]

Awesome video! Zig is a super new but very promising language, and the creator is a good man with good intentions.

[@charlesselrachski34]

Its actually a language name that you can google, not like python,rust and other bad name choices.

[@ekremdincel1505]

You can very much google Rust and Python.

[@charlesselrachski34]

@@ekremdincel1505 its almost as easy as if they actually tried to make an easy to search language name like r11ust or py1thon or lets make a new language and call it "the" . the "the" language great for gogole search

[@ekremdincel1505]

@@charlesselrachski34 I didn't really understant what you are trying to say.

[@_slier]

u forgot to list stupid golang.. totally ungoogleable.. utterly trash like the language itself

[@FlanPoirot]

@@charlesselrachski34 just append lang to it and you're good to go, C is much worse cause it will often just give u C++ results lol

[@bobriemersma]

"All your base" as they say.

[@youreperfectstudio4789]

Maybe you covered this and I missed it - many C libraries rely on macros but if zig doesn’t support macros I wonder how that works...

[@doublex85]

The Zig programming language doesn't need macros, but Zig is not C. Zig supports C libraries by also being a distribution of the clang C and C++ compiler. Zig is a really interesting clang distribution because it brings its own mechanism for build artifact caching, headers for several libc's, and first-class support for cross compilation.

[@TheGeemili]

While zig doesn't support macros, it does have a feature called comptime that shows you too run code at compile time. A lot of macros can be translated into comptime functions, meaning this isn't as much of an issue.

[@etopowertwon]

I always forget what is zig and what is nim.

[@gamefromscratch]

Zig is no longer on my todo list, Nim is still on my todo list. ;)

[@Wix92]

Zig - C replacement; it tries to preserve the low-levelness and simplicity of C while fixing its shortcomings. Nim - Python, but performant; Nim tries to be elegant and to enhance developer productivity without sacrificing performance; compiles to C/C++/JS.

[@skaruts]

@Darren Munsell yea, it's inspired in python for the clean syntax, but in practice I find it more reminiscent of C than python.

[@gustavojoaquin_arch]

​@@gamefromscratch🏳️‍🌈?

[@johnhansen4794]

You upload, I click like, I may or may not comment. That Comment may or may not relate to content. You are welcome.

[@hypurban]

Take off every zig. Make your time.

[@MaoDev]

You might want to take a look at Jai

[@louisgjohnson]

Zig looks awesome, the only reason I ever want to use C is because the huge amount of libs and tools built for gamedev.

[@AinurEru]

Given how brain-dead auto-magic the Zig/C interop is, that's not really a valid reason to stay in C :) (for the record, I still mostly use C, and haven't tried Zig yet - but have tried and loved Odin)

[@ishdx9374]

zig and c interop is really easy you can literally include c headers and use them

[@arifkasim3241]

@@AinurEru if I were to attempt game programming with C (no OOPS), which C compiler and graphic/game library would you suggest I go for?

[@drygordspellweaver8761]

know what else is interoperable with C, just as fast as C, and with all the low level features of C? C.

[@happygofishing]

@@arifkasim3241 raylib

[@tusharsr2709]

He just speaks so fast

[@srglmr]

I had to check its not x1.5 speed

[@CristianMolina]

Zig deserves more attention. Thanks GFS!

[@Dustballable]

Not for game dev it doesn't. Andrew's weird hatred for operator overloading of any kind makes it a huge pain to manipulate vectors and matrices.

[@DavidMaclin351]

Hey. Quixel Mixer 2021. Get on it 😜

[@gamefromscratch]

Consider it on. gamefromscratch.com/quixel-mixer-2021-released/

[@geomorillo]

zzzzzig? oh great yet another new language to learn

[@AinurEru]

@Gamefromscratch It's high time you cover Odin: 1) In the spirit of Zig/Jai of being a replacement to C but with (non-OOP)high-level features (generics, etc.) 2) Ergonomic and simple to read and use (arguably more than Zig) 3) Windows-frieldly with full (auto-gen'ed)Win32 bindings (arguably friendlier to windows than Zig) 4) Ease of interoperability with C (not as auto-magic as Zig, but not far from it) 5) Many target platforms supported (including Apple M1 and WebAssembly) 6) RayLib 3 bindings (was right above Zig in this video and had it's logo showing in your recent 3.7 video) 7) VS Code extension: New one using an LSP server (standard language protocol that can be used in any IDE/Text-Editor supporting it). 8) Standard library (recently overhawled): OS/filesystem (cross-platform), compression (zip/gzip), image-files (PNG), etc. 9) LLVM back-end (recently became default) ...

[@AinurEru]

@Darren Munsell Well, I didn't say it's for everyone (nothing is), just that he should cover it :)

[@danieleccleston7928]

I recently saw odin and I love it. I think its perfect for me.

[@drygordspellweaver8761]

I am waiting for JAI but if Jblow goes the way of forcing explicit type declarations in function parameters I may get turned off from the verbosity

[@Zekium]

Move Zig... FOR GREAT JUSTICE !

[@cdarklock]

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DOING TAKE OFF EVERY ZIG

[@Intelligenz_Bestie]

the only itch that a programming language could scratch for me rn would be something with the simplicity of python but the type-safety of rust, maybe something like coffeescript-but-for-rust that adds syntactic sugar on top and transpiles to it

[@hammer86_]

nim

[@NeZversSounds]

I'm waiting when Jon Blow will open to the public his Jai language.

[@vladimirkraus1438]

I do not believe it will ever happen.

[@NeZversSounds]

@@vladimirkraus1438 It will and that's a fact.

[@vladimirkraus1438]

@@NeZversSounds And next question is: will it better than Zig or Odin?

[@NeZversSounds]

@@vladimirkraus1438 I believe it will be. Because It is made from the ground up (compiler included) to be as performant as possible and its intended use is game development. There are several videos of Jon Blow talking his language proposition and videos during development.

[@vladimirkraus1438]

@@NeZversSounds I have seen all Jon's videos. I admit the language has some good esthetics in it, certainly overcomes some drawbacks of C/C++ and I believe that the compiler will be very fast. But Jai is not the only language which targets this niche. Zig and Odin are another examples which aim at the same target and are already public. Especially Odin was inspired by the Jon's ideas about the new language... Though they are not production ready, they make quite a good progress especially because other people are already using them and reporting bugs and ideas for improvements. This is in contrast to Jai, which is closed source so far... The future will show whether opensourcing language earlier is better than keeping it closed and mysterious for a long time.

[@Stopinvadingmyhardware]

For the Never Again crowd, you seem to be doing it again.

[@iLikeCoffee777]

Out of curiosity, when you said raylib had bindings for almost every language, I decided to check and see if they had one for R... still no luck. Here I was hoping for a good way to turn that statistical beast into a good gaming language.

[@navjotsingh2251]

Why would you want R for a gaming language lol

[@MTSP-pe2fn]

R is a language for data analysts and researchers, the language is not designed for game development, raylib bindings are made for general purpose languages normally.

[@paulcg7566]

why learning this instead of c++?

[@ezioauditore7636]

Zig is trying to replace C, not C++. Basically, safer C. Rust is the one trying to replace C++.

[@ekremdincel1505]

Why learn C++ in the first place?

[@Cons-Cat]

Maybe learn Zig if you don't want to hate life?

[@Cons-Cat]

@@ezioauditore7636 Rust is mostly used in traditionally-C domains, so you're wrong. All those GNU coreutils being replaced with Rust. Drivers now too. A Glibc alternative. Etc.

[@ezioauditore7636]

@@Cons-Cat Any programming language can do that too, you know? C is simple, Rust is not, that's why Rust will never be a replacement for C. Also, the examples you gave are for Linux, and they absolutely refuse to use C++ for various reasons related to the design of the language.

[@zednotdead]

Run Zig for great justice!

[@jokinglimitreached1503]

Linux kernel in Zig WHEN?

[@SamualN]

they just added rust, so adding zig isn't farfetched

[@jokinglimitreached1503]

Zig is a better C. So it's a question of when ⚡

[@Hellohiq10]

Fortunately and unfortunately, zig’s community isn’t nearly as toxic as rust’s, so people don’t get hyped over zig

[@madmonkey360shadowgun6]

Zig is better than Nim?

[@_slier]

obviously.. nim is gced language that is no go for low level. plus nim is python like language, its like ur typical ex gf who is overly sensitive over white space

[@Theraot]

Yeah, but are there bindings for Godot?

[@charliegnu]

If there's C bindings, you can use Zig.

[@Theraot]

@@charliegnu C++ Edit: Found a repo on github, 3 years old, under the name "godot-zig" by "outrera". Can't trust it.

[@gamefromscratch]

github.com/JustinRyanH/godot-zig

[@Theraot]

@@gamefromscratch "Godot working with Zig. This is super WIP DO NOT USE"

[@rasulseidagul]

You asked for bindings: here they are. You didn't ask specifically about production ready bindings. And even if you ask for it, you must rewatch video or visit zigland.org to notice that the language itself is not production ready.

[@brendant.4493]

Oh great. Another one.

[@capitalismoburgues5549]

Dude i read ZIP lmao

[@Kaminiisama]

Its nice to see something new in the game maker community

[@rdoetjes]

The what programming language? Never heard of it!

[@wahomemutahi1008]

9seconds ago😬

[@kappilino]

I think besides of Rust, one need a good JIT compiled scripting language. Not a another C competitor. If one needs C, one can use C or unsafe Rust. But for the higher gamescripting things, a language that interoperates with Rust on a higher level would be nice. Maybe a lua compiler written in Rust.

[@SamualN]

why do you you need specifically a JIT language?

[@kappilino]

I dont't want to compile the whole engine if I change only some gameplay logic. And I don't want stuck around whith pointer arritmetic or borrow checkers if I script gameplay logic. I mean I don't need a JIT compiler for that, but it is the fastest way to program, test and change scripts. Every Engine has somthing like that if JIT or not. Godot has GScript, Unreal has Blueprints and Unity has C#. But the underlying base from all is developed in C++.

[@SamualN]

@@kappilino but all that happens is you move all the safety checks into runtime rather than compile time unless you remove the safety checks, but then you end up with JavaScript (which is amazingly fast - but not so nice to program in) maybe you're looking for something in between, I recommend TypeScript, compile times are fast, and it turns your code into JavaScript (which is a fast JIT compiled language)

[@kappilino]

The idea of an scripting solution not to have any language feature that needs all the compile time safty checks. It should be much simpler than a full blown programming language. This is the reason why engines like Godot, Unity or Unreal have such solutions. By the way, the CryEngine and Lubayard use lua for scripting. TypeScript is strongly bound to JavaScript and much to difficult to integrate as a games script language without it. And with javascipt together it is dedicated to web programming, not for platform native games. For that the javascript base is much to slow and much to far away from the hardware.

[@_slier]

rust is trash.. its overly complex..better just use c++ instead

[@4mb127]

Zig is cool but I just wish the multi-string syntax was better. I don't feel like inserting \\ into everything when I want to edit a non-code block.

[@TheDesttinghim]

The better choice here is to use @embedFile() and put the non zig stuff in a separate file. The multi-string syntax was specifically chosen so that every line could be parsed separately, which speeds up compile time

[@4mb127]

@@TheDesttinghim The current multi-string syntax effectively makes the feature itself useless. Being able to do the same thing in other ways is a red herring.

[@davidste60]

You should file a "feelings violation" bug report.

[@satellite964]

Jai can't come soon enough

[@felixinfinita3777]

As I know many of the zig features were inspired by jai

[@charliegnu]

@@felixinfinita3777 Zig is inspired by C. Check the Road to 1.0 video to see how they came up with it. Sadly Jai is not publicly available yet so the Zig devs don't have access to it.

[@felixinfinita3777]

@@charliegnu jai is not available, but its development and features are covered in Jonathan Blow YT channel for many years (since 2015 I think), also Jon presented it in few talks. But I guess I don't know if some zig features really inspired by it (separate build file and compile time execution) , I assume language creator at least aware of it :)

[@Hoowwwww]

we found a john simp

[@felixinfinita3777]

@@Hoowwwww I think I am :D

[@akshayazariah]

Zig is fantastic

[@joshbishop]

When there's no views and 3 comments...

[@gamefromscratch]

... yeah, take KZbin statistics with a grain of salt for the first 2 days.

[@GaryChike]

YASPL .. Yet Another Systems Programming Language Carbon, Hare, Rust, Nim, Odin.

[@wahomemutahi1008]

Lol

[@darak2]

There is a huge void to fill with a system-level language which keeps things simple and is tailored to the way modern CPUs work (Go comes close, but the GC makes it unsuitable for the task). Unfortunately, new trendy languages tend to be extremely opinionated and user-hostile, and Zig is no exception (for example, it will fail to compile any source code containing a tab character or Windows endlines).

[@tochka832]

i really liked the idea of Rust but dealing with its quirks is sometimes just unbearable, development is just becoming a struggle of overcoming the compiler requirements... Go is nice in terms of its ease (GC is one of the things that actually helps in this regard a lot), but the lack of proper generics (using interfaces everywhere is costly at runtime) and metaprogramming does really hurt tho

[@ezioauditore7636]

@@tochka832 Rust can be really easy to use if you take the time to learn it... but well, it takes a lot of time to learn it. Hopefully more of its better innovations can trickle down to other programming languages though, as we're already seeing.

[@skaruts]

I agree. Occam's razor kinda tells me modern languages verge on paranoia about safety and whatnot, and end up overly-complex behemoths with cryptic syntax or overly petty compilers. I mean, I'm no expert really, and those things may be great for large teams (though I wonder how true that is), but makes the languages unbearably costly to learn for people like me. And then, if the most stable kernel in existence can be reasonably developed with a simple and unsafe language, then maybe those languages are trying too hard. And yea, some of them are way too opinionated...

[@ekremdincel1505]

@@skaruts Linux disables tons of optimizations via non-standart compiler flags. If you are ready to sacrifice optimizations for safety, you already can. Linux is written with help of dozens of experts and the development of Linux is supported by dozens of companies. You will not have those when you start a project. Yet Linux still has security problems.

[@TheDesttinghim]

The tab thing is because zig is pre-release. This seems like a really silly thing to get worked up over, especially because zig fmt will automatically correct the tabs.

[@gabehcuodsuoitneterp203]

Works w/ Snow Leopard?

[@Fine_Mouche]

why we should game dev in this lange over C++ / C# / Java / Python(pygame) ?

[@mgord9518]

Why would you use any of those languages over any of the other ones?

[@Fine_Mouche]

do system langage = assembly langage or processor langage ? if yes, i was currently think about if we can remplace the actual one or it's too wide used that it's impossible to change it.

[@hermannpaschulke1583]

Why use Zig over Rust?

[@charliegnu]

It's a different paradigm. There's no borrow checker, allocations are explicit but it makes it very easy to allocate and free memory without mistakes, comptime makes up for generics and macros, it's a simple and fun language you can learn in an afternoon. I'd say both have their space so try both. The more tools in your belt the better.

[@UliTroyo]

There's actually a really good talk on youtube by Zig's creator Andrew Kelley that covers pretty much that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/faeVemqnidqrbck My personal favorite Zig feature is you don't need to write bindings for C libraries, you can just link them as if you were writing C (so SDL just works out of the box, for example).

[@ekremdincel1505]

@@charliegnu Allocations are also explicit in Rust, aren't they?

[@TheDesttinghim]

@@ekremdincel1505 not necessarily. In zig, the standard is anything that allocates takes an explicit allocator argument. In Rust, strings, vectors, etc will use the implicit global allocator. This makes it difficult to tell when something is allocating, unless you go through and read the source code for the standard library. Another difference, IIRC, is that zig considers OOM an error that must be handled, whereas Rust ignores it.

[@ekremdincel1505]

@@TheDesttinghim You can also use custom allocators in Rust, most of the collections are generic over an allocator (including `Vec`). You just don't need to explicitly write it when you use the global allocator. But I can say that using a custom allocator is not something you do usually in Rust, and therefore, there is not really an idiom around designing your library to allow users use custom, non global allocators unless you write a specific data structure.

[@syedqutub4054]

Can you make a video for v programming language

[@PibePlayer]

I hate languages that use "var" personally :(

[@PibePlayer]

@Darren Munsell nop, I prefer to define the type, using Int, etc, even if it's a little verbose

[@TheGeemili]

@@PibePlayer you can define the type, it just takes the form `var x: u8 = 1` instead.

[@PibePlayer]

@@TheGeemili but if I have to review other people's code or learn from other people's code, they'll probably use var, without explicit type, and I dislike that, sorry 😅

[@kaiser3626]

@@PibePlayer You have always specify the type in Zig. It is not optional even if you use const or var. Why dont you inform first? 😂

[@PibePlayer]

@@kaiser3626 no, it's always implicit, did you watch the video? Did you read the examples? Unless it's a class declaration, it doesn't use the explicit declaration...

[@skaruts]

Why does every language have to favor camel case these days....

[@gamefromscratch]

A secret cabal of camels secretly rule the world.

[@skaruts]

@@gamefromscratch facts

[@codedecode1498]

first again

[@mayur9876]

I gave zig multiple tries but the overall syntax decision and language design doesn't feel right to me.

[@sanjaygatne1424]

Please make a video on V programming language.

[@_slier]

the best low level language so far.. might displace c for sure

[@annasofienordstrand3235]

Delusional, nothing will ever displace C

[@_slier]

@@annasofienordstrand3235 lul

[@zytr0x108]

No reason to replace C

[@absolutebottomfeeder]

m

[@nialltracey2599]

Do you really really really want a Zig? a Zig? ah?

[@TheJungaBoon]

Eventually, when neural implants are as common as tylenol at a Walmart, there will be a programming language that can just produce your game simply by thinking it.

[@SamualN]

only a few hundred years to go!

[@mgord9518]

And bugs will still be easy to come by

[@lukelader]

Funny 'cause zig in arabic means shit 😂

[@baxiry.]

In classical Arabic and Moroccan Arabic it means: deviation

[@vladimirkraus1438]

I like zig. So I suggest that arabic chooses another keyword for "shit".

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Nim is interesting language 🙂

[@RandomGuyyy]

C++ 4ever. Embrace the pain.

[@felixinfinita3777]

Bow to the Commitee of Standardization!

[@tizilogic]

Great.. YALTWDN Yet another language the world doesn't need

[@JasimGamer]

زق ؟

[@6rrdDSx5]

vlang > ziglang

[@vladimirkraus1438]

There are still so may serious bugs in vlang...

[@ingframin]

The syntax is really ugly though :-(

[@_slier]

wat? if zig is ugly, then i dont know about rust then..trash maybe

[@diamondtroller1253]

Zig sounds like an alternative to golang

[@ekremdincel1505]

No

[@mgjulesdev]

wow. that's very far far fetched lol

[@gustavojoaquin_arch]

​@@ekremdincel1505YES

[@ekremdincel1505]

@@gustavojoaquin_arch I mean, you probably could use Zig instead of Go for a lot of things but to say that Zig is an alternative for Go wouldn't be coherent with designs and goals of the languages. It is like saying C is an alternative for Python.

[@TheJobCompany]

Wish we could transpile zig to nim

[@TheJobCompany]

@4tran yeah but it would be kinda funny

[@TheJobCompany]

@@MustaphaRashiduddin-zx7rn woah there, you can't do that, you'll have to use at least css as well

[@xfadedxshadow]

Legit just looks like a modified version of rust

[@vladimirkraus1438]

If you claim it looks similar to rust, then you are not a programmer. They are completely different languages.

[@viri1695]

shut up timmy go do your maths homework

[@henrypowell3496]

its just JS

[@belgarathlesorcier8385]

but better and compiled

[@henrypowell3496]

@@belgarathlesorcier8385 was talking about syntax

[@FPChris]

The syntax is awful.

[@adsick_ua]

I bet Rust is much better

[@mgjulesdev]

is it though?

[@techpriest4787]

"Zig is to C as Rust is to C++", except Rust also is to replace C, and C may fall first. There is a video called something like "a new language for the next 40 years". It was all about replacing C, not C++. That's how flexible Rust is! Also Rust is at version ~1.50, so much further ahead over Zig while still also being young itself. 5 years have past since version 1.0.

[@adagas-caouchristian7875]

True that, however Zig is mainly the effort of one person (instead of a corporation) and Zig is quite younger than Rust, while also having somewhat different goals. Both are sound options for systems programming without the hassles brought by C or C++ imho. Even though Rust is more mature and has much more libraries, I think both languages have their own charm, and if we give Zig enough time, it might even become Rust's brother in terms of both performance and ecosystem size.

[@tomweh3710]

@@adagas-caouchristian7875 would love some middleground between the too, imagine rust without macros, generics or trait but with zigs comptime features, explicit allocations and c/c++ interopability. I know, i know probably not so easily mixable but sure thing sounds attractive to me :D

[@Hoowwwww]

unsafe is a feature of C, it is not a downsite, it is what allows to speak to the hardware directly without overhead C will never die rust is like scala, it wanted to kill Java, result it killed itself because it is bloated and slow to compile, exactly like rust

[@SmplySilver]

you're kidding yourself if you think C is going to be replaced anytime soon

[@ezioauditore7636]

@@Hoowwwww Rust is meant to replace C++, not C. Plus, it has unsafety, but made the sane decision to separate it from what is known to always be safe. Its release compile times will improve, but obviously won't ever match C because of how much more work it has to do to compile the language, but debug times are going to improve almost 7x when the cranelift backend becomes the new default. For now, you have to download the cranelift backend as its own separate thing.