ZOMBIES!? | Bleach TYBW Episode 22 Reaction & Discussion!

[@uraharakisuke1329]

That Gigi Bambi relationship is so horrifying. Kubo is really good at making absolutely disgusting and twisted characters. Mayuri, Szayelapporro and Giselle are all absolutely diabolical.

[@WeyardWiz]

12:00 zombie hitsugaya definitely was shocking when I read this back in the day

[@AnubisVoid]

- Sidenote Awesome theory about Yhwach possible goal of removing the borders between separate places. We've always been told that if the balance is broken the worlds will collide and collapse, but that's always been told from the Shinigami's point of view and we know that there are many dark secrets and half-truths when it comes to them. So maybe as you theorized, Yhwach may have a way to create a singular place devoid of hierarchy and maybe what we knew was a lie.

[@QuincyArmy-dd7mb]

Always a pleasure to watch your reaction and of course the discussion after the episode 🙂

[@sofarsogood8680]

Giselle's moment is totally different type of villain in this series. In the Jp version and manga , Yumichika said that she stinks of semen. That's why he closed his nose . After that she told them that she saw bambi face and killed her , it made her wet ( in manga yumichika added : wet? you mean hard right?). Therefore , i guess she not just sadist but also necrophile. But all of things might be too heavy to be shown in shonen genre series

[@saturnhawk6115]

I honestly think keeping it this way works better Less is more kinda thing It still shows her arousal and pension for controlling and taking over someone for her own benefit, without blatantly saying it

[@somekid2760]

this ep serves as a brake form the tension so theres alot of comedy scenes that are in the manga, which in an ordinary ep it would have been taken out to keep the tone of a war

[@Uzumakijose]

Toshiro a zombie looks 🔥🔥🔥🔥 love the outfit though

[@SamTheGumMan117]

Man I was feasting so much more Mayuri greatness just flexing by his presence and lines alone then Giselle best girl getting glow with Bambi plus Queen Yoruichi makes her arrival. Plus this episode was so damn hilarious it's crazy from Charlotte calling out Yumichika or fugly lol to Renji blushing over Bazz B complimenting his eyebrows 😂

[@StayCreo]

Don't worry, we have the best scientist - Dr.Mayuri, He can give a blood transfusion and revive Toshiro if it were just injected with zombie blood.

[@abeautifullie7579]

Hitsugaya’s zombie outfit looking good 👀🔥🔥

[@Step43099]

His best fit in my honest opinion

[@erickgonzalez5777]

Earlier in the episode she said that Quincy need to be dead in order to be turned into a zombie but shinigami just need blood splashed on them to turn into a zombie so it’s possible Toshiro isn’t dead.

[@clydecabagnot3219]

Remember in episode 14 there's other Quincy beside yhwach that looks like thor and a black guy with a green hat and a guy with no face. It's gonna be exciting when they show up in battle.

[@bladibla1234]

The hypothesis in the end .. hmm.. not goofy, let's just say that.

[@Step43099]

Nothing will ever be funnier than way back years ago reading this chapter and reading “You’re a man aren’t you. You’re trying to hide it but you reek of semen.” Is just such a crazy page it never ceases to make me laugh 😂 Also obligatory mention of the cut scene between Ichigo and Orihime. It’s a funny little scene where Chad asks Ichigo what he thinks of Orihimes outfit, embarrassment between the 2 ensues with Ichigo saying it’s a bit revealing without being able to look at her, she rambles about Urahara and how he tricked her into wearing it for Ichigo, Yoruichi comes in (sticking her hand between her boobs 😭) and starts berating Ichigo for not complimenting Orihime and taking her right then and there etc etc. understandable why they cut it but it’s a funny scene to read nonetheless

[@jeyrm]

I think thag scene is on the way up to the palace, so it might still haopen

[@lordaizensama8852]

Yumichika actually says that here but the anime subtitles censored it in the official channels

[@Step43099]

@@jeyrmnah cause it’s how Yoruichi makes her entrance. If they include it later I’d be shocked

[@jeyrm]

@@Step43099 im talking about the conversation, Chad bringing up orihimes outfit That might happen in the way up to the palace

[@WarrenGdog28]

Gigi is a Necromancer and Hitsuguya was unconscious thats why he's a zombie

[@2kkiwi199]

its funny how different the manga was to this episode u shld check it out it says why orihime is dressed like that hints at a relationship between her and ichigo and yoruichi entrance is wildly different and funny

[@BoosterUM]

Nah the "Niño" guy fought ichigo. I can't remember his name😢

[@steatlthyfolf]

Dordoni

[@steatlthyfolf]

Dordoni

[@BoosterUM]

@@steatlthyfolf thank you!!!

[@QuincyArmy-dd7mb]

Don Panini 🤣

[@Artanis99]

@@QuincyArmy-dd7mb Its Dordoni!! What's with that delicious sounding name!?😂

[@cruherrx]

18:35 he spitting Let him cook.

[@Serocco]

I know people will bring this up anyway so I'll just do it first Kubo did confirm that Giselle was born male but identifies as a woman. Back when the manga was still ongoing, the debate was basically settled as soon as Mayuri called Giselle "Zombie Girl."

[@Cy4nMod]

"the debate was settled" lol

[@randomviewer2370]

so what the pronoun? 😅😅😅😂😂😂

[@GammaRingHunter]

He confirmed he's male, he didn't say shit about identifies as female or whatever bs you're talkin

[@GammaRingHunter]

​@@randomviewer2370he's a necrophiliac abusive rapist but the troons wanna claim him for some reason? 👀

[@Serocco]

@@GammaRingHunter He did according to the original Japanese translations as well as the anime's official site

[@rubenarmstrong262]

I see people brush aside zombie girl being a man but it was brought up for a reason it gives abit more understanding of the character how he probably uses the fact that he looks like a young girl to his advantage over others, which is probably why he grin after they called him out on it.

[@justicemeister]

Meanwhile in an alternate universe Bambietta Basterbine pointed toward the four and said, "You all deserve to die. Especially by my hand. You have caused an unbearable amount of physical and psychological torture. Four years. Four years of this moment building up." She then lowered her eyes, "But you're right. I have changed. That doesn't mean anything, though. For you still cause me pain. And you should die." … She then dropped her sword. "But I'm not going to do it." Silence Bambietta Basterbine. The strongest female Sternritter in the Wandenreich. Tempered, powerful, insecure, and arrogant… was gone. This person is different. Who is she? "Giselle. Meninas. Liltotto. Candice." They listened, but remained quiet. She looked over her should and said, "I will never forget, but I will forgive you." And then… she began to walk away. She walked past Ichigo, who was just as stunned and in disbelief as the four other Quincy. All those years of talking about how she planned to execute her revenge. All those years of suffering. Ichigo was there for all of them. And here she is. Just walking past it all. And what of the other female Quincy? Well, that would have to be up to them. They will walk their own paths just as Bambietta has. Whether or not they will become better people is all on them. Bambietta came here in order to seek revenge, to seek her pride and strength again. But that didn't happen. She forgives them not because they deserve it, but because she deserves peace.

[@strawhatvibe]

Great theory on them wanting to bring the worlds together

[@SeaBagel228]

The funniest part is Giselle has a fit Quincy suit in Toshiro’s size to give him 😂

[@saturnhawk6115]

She really went and got a suit or worse crafted it just for this big reveal

[@064-imamhargy4]

About Giselle power to turn people to zombie: -if a quincy/human (a living form), giselle or he must killing first that's person before turn it into zombie. -but if a soul/soul reaper (a dead one/ because they all already dead), he can just splashing his blood to the soul reaper to make them transform into zombie. -and additional information, the amount of blood he needs to turn someone into a zombie depends on how much spiritual pressure that person has.

[@ignusthemad3150]

Wrong.... She need kill every one with quincy blood meaning a shinigami with quincy blood also need be kill before and humans can be transform with be kill before hollows are the exception they only can be turn tempory.

[@end8482]

QUINCY TURN ZOMBIE MUST DIE FIRST,BUT SHINIGAMI NO NEED DIE FIRST

[@sipenarekbecha7193]

25:39 Mehgan 😏

[@saritarebello4662]

When wil one piece ep 1074 reaction come?

[@carsson123]

They are giving Orihime the "Hinata Shippuden Waifu Transformation" Treatment. Since the Orihime/Ichigo "relationship" was never that deep, complex or even substantial (especially when compared with the ones he shares with other female characters like Rukia or even Nel), they now have to make her "attractiveness" impossible to ignore (even by the typical aloof shonen protagonist...), so that Ichigo finally notices her and looks at her "as a woman"(cliché) for the first time and gives her the time of day. Every classic shonen protagonist "needs"/MUST HAVE a gift-wrapped, customized fan service waifu(cliché) to compensate him for his heroic efforts in saving the World... (The manga makes it even more obvious that it's all for Ichigo. I mean, there's nothing clearly functional about that outfit. It's not even a cool design, especially when compared to what we've seen from Rukia, Suì-Fēng, Yoruichi, Nel, Tier Harribel, various female Arrancars, some of the female Quincy[s] throughout the years or recently...) It's pretty lame writing, quite cliché and one of the few points of the new series where I really feel they dropped the ball and didn't bother to do more. Yoruichi's (re)entrance also felt pretty rushed in the anime. They cut a bunch of manga material there, probably in order to keep the tension and the dramatic tone but really weren't that inventive when coming up with solutions. Still a lot of much-wanted comebacks, entertaining content and dialogue in this episode, tho.

[@carsson123]

Weird censorship...(Source: Bleach Wiki): «The subtitled streaming versions of this episode posted on Hulu and Disney+ alter Yumichika Ayasegawa's claim that Giselle Gewelle smells like semen to him simply asserting that her being male is obvious.»

[@s3tsk8r]

please start saying Ywhah Baha like they do in the anime, it's funnier

[@whatwecalllife7034]

Or Völlstsandig (he) lmao gets me every time 😂

[@DotHackerKite94]

just an fyi Gigi is an Asolfo. if you catch my meaning.

[@AnubisVoid]

[Tidbits & Clarifications] - Comedic scenes revolving around Orihime's attire were removed. It expresses that Urahara made the outfit and Orihime wore it to impress Ichigo, but naturally Ichigo wasn't properly aware. - The scene with Yumichika covering his nose is purposely re-recorded for Western audiences. In the Manga and in the Japanese episode Yumichika is actually saying to Giselle: " You're a man, aren't you. You may think you have concealed it but frankly, you stink of semen" (This was likely changed for Western audiences because of political issues) - Many forget that the Shiba family was or rather are by blood one of the 5 Major Noble Families. The fact that they have a canon capable of reaching the Soul Palace says a lot and brings up some interesting questions. (Plus Imagine how strong Kukaku fire must be if she has enough energy to set off the canon) - We've learned some rules for Giselle's Zombification. To Zombify a Quincy they must be fully dead, whereas shinigami simply needs to come into contact with her blood but clearly, there is more to it otherwise Yhwach would have taken Giselle with her to turn someone like Aizen or Yamamotot into a Zombie. (Zombification doesn't necessarily equal or mean death, rather it's the phrase used for falling under Giselle's ability) - Many people miss it but Giselle and her awful treatment towards Bambi is supposed to mimic how Mayuri was first introduced. He used Nemu as a tool and was wickedly violent and sadistic. By using Giselle/Bambietta as a parallel it shows us in part how Mayuri has grown since then. (Though Mayuri still isn't that good of a person but certainly better) - Some people Claim that Mayuri having the Zombies is plot armor but as the episode showed with the flashback he did in fact raid Szyelapporo's Lab after he defeated him (The Pink-Haired Scientist Espada) in the Hueo Mundo arc and we know that Szyel was collecting the defeated Arrancar. This just shows that Kubo had this concept planned way in advance. - Another thing about Giselle's zombification is that it would seem that the Zombies aren't as strong as they once were. Bambi was clearly a much greater threat when she was alive and in control, and though the revived Arrancar have likely gotten stronger it wouldn't be enough to defeat above Captain Class threats so easily. - Though it was only episodes ago many seem to have forgotten that a mysterious figure appeared near Toshiro after he fell unconscious. We see now that it was Giselle.

[@arvian8419]

Oh no a captain turn into zombie, ohh it's Hitsugaya lol

[@avalonv6559]

ya it kinda sucks when Kubo writes his one trans character he makes her abusive / predatory etc, like what that's just foul 😱 I mean he queer codes villains pretty consistently but he went above and beyond for her

[@Artanis99]

That may be true, but the sexual orientation and/or gender identity was not once considered wrong/source of their villany and were left intact and built upon after some of those characters switched to the hero side. Also there may be argument that Charlotte Cullhorne is trans as well. Finally it may require a deep dive into Giselle's psychology, but there may also be an argument that she is somewhat similar case to Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs, who is repeatedly stated not to be trans despite his goals, because his desire to become other gender is mainly caused by his self-loathing brought on by his homosexuality clashing with his intense homophobia while his psychopathy is the finishing touch that turns him into serial killer. In Giselle's case it would be that her present as female is not case of unrelated gender dysphoria gone right, but rather tool of her predatory nature.

[@avalonv6559]

But that's exactly the narrative that's fucked up and what Kubo was reproducing, the implication that her gender is somehow intertwined with psychopathy/predation etc. Like I get that his writing is hardly nuanced and not for anyone who isn't a teenage boy, but damn. Like you can post hoc justify all you want, but he still chose to make the narrative link with the one "male" character who explicitly is referred to as a woman by everyone else, and who is part of the Femritters. He also narratively chose to have Yumichika characterise it as a "ruse", too. His writing is absolutely influenced by the widespread tropes at the time he wrote it like a decade or so ago. @@Artanis99

[@Artanis99]

@@avalonv6559 You have it backwards. Either her gender identity is genuine and thus unrelated to her other problems in which case it is irrelevant or her presented gender identity is just artificial persona of psychopathic predator that would be the same no matter which gender would be presented outwards, was picked due to convenience and will fall apart when compared in depth to genuine transgender person. Sad thing is that predators presenting fake persona to get closer to their victims is extremely common though faking gender identity in the long term is pretty rare. Personally I think that Giselle is genuinely transgender and as statistically improbable as it is also has a laundry list of unrelated psychological issues. Of course there is also possibility that her other problems were indirectly caused by her gender identity as in she was abused by someone because of her gender identity to the point she snapped, but even in this case the only point of relevance is that no matter what people should not be abused.

[@avalonv6559]

@@Artanis99 Ya I think we can all agree people should not be abused, but I think you're kinda misunderstanding my point. Maybe this analogy will help. Women, Asian women in particular, have a well known trope of being bad/reckless when driving. Let's say that more often than not, when media is portraying a character who is an Asian woman, one of her main qualities or common gaffes is to be so terrible at driving she causes an accident or an injury to someone. Now, a manga artist, in this context, decides to have a crazy expansive set of characters and designs, but only one Asian woman. It just so happens to be that he writes this Asian woman as someone who is horrible at driving to the point of injuring others, and that this is one of her primary traits. You're saying "Oh she just happens to be both Asian and bad at driving, it's just an in-universe coincidence and maybe due to other factors other than being Asian, I know Asian women IRL aren't this, but y'know, there do be some terrible drivers out there that are Asian women" I'm saying the choice itself to have the only Asian woman in the manga given the primary character trait of "so terrible at driving she injures others" IS a choice either informed by, or purposefully reinforcing, the trope. Kubo chose to write the character this way, and he chose consciously or unconsciously to play into a trope of GNC related to being predatory or perverted or dishonest, an example of which is (as you yourself brought up) Buffalo Bill.

[@Artanis99]

@@avalonv6559 What your analogy describes would be a concern, if she was the only character to have those traits. However Bleach contains large collection of psychopathic predators. To use different analogy it's like getting mad at Star trek because the Insane/Incompetent/Evil admiral was a woman while ignoring the fact that every admiral in Star trek is some combination of the three regardless of any other factor. I can name two other psychopathic predators from the top of my head in Quincy army alone and that number goes way up if we include Arrancar and Shinigami.

[@1XSpartanX1]

this is not even spoil the manga has been done 10 years ago. So not Ishida is still a good guy and he will help ichigo in the final fight with an arrow his father gave him, which he made from what his mother's murder

[@Jgarcia05]

Clown behavior

[@1XSpartanX1]

@@Haruplss 10 years later is not spoiler. If it was something like JJK then yes. But bleach has been done.

[@1XSpartanX1]

@@Jgarcia05 for a manga that has been done for many years ok.

[@Wispy2543]

@@1XSpartanX1 Bro doesnt know the meaning of "spoiler"