I like that in the SUSD cinematic universe, the most common recurring character is Matt in a sleeping bag being a worm. I hope this never changes.
@VadAndensong2 жыл бұрын
I hate to break it to you, but he _dead_
@03dashk642 жыл бұрын
@@VadAndensong it’s a twist ending. The worm pulled a Glock and it was Matt who was found wanting! RiP in peace Matt
@adamxpaul2 жыл бұрын
@@03dashk64 True! No one ever truly dies offscreen in TV. The worm will return!
@the_justifier47882 жыл бұрын
@@adamxpaul hé dodge every bullet like in the matrix.
@NemesisEG2 жыл бұрын
It’s ok. He’s in two halves.
@JonTripp1152 жыл бұрын
Me: has a side table for drinks to prevent spills near the game. Tom: THROW MULTIPLE EGGS ON IT. Happy to see the return of both Lion Matt and Worm Matt in this one.
@Wustenfuchs1092 жыл бұрын
I almost got a heart attack when he threw that egg on it... thankfully, a few moments later you could see they placed a cling foil on top of it, so no lasting damage.
@RaidenFreeman2 жыл бұрын
@@Wustenfuchs109 Thank you, I wasn't feeling well xD
@frankharr94662 жыл бұрын
But not Deer Matt?
@Dovenchiko2 жыл бұрын
@@Wustenfuchs109 I love that they put in time to manage that plastic because from experience it takes time to get it to look perfectly crystal clear. Even on camera.
@mchamberlain7408 Жыл бұрын
@@Wustenfuchs109 thank you for this...I never noticed as I was having a heart attack
@Zackackle2 жыл бұрын
absolutely cracking vid, but now the bar has been raised for all board game reviews and I'm gunna be expecting an entire egg devoured, uncut, on camera, in each one. the industry can't keep up
@Zalintis2 жыл бұрын
I was so relieved to see the plastic wrap put down slightly move so I know for CERTAIN it was there... like I ASSUMED it was but it was still haunting me with the uncertainty
@devinmarshall60912 жыл бұрын
@@Zalintis Same here. Was on the edge of my seat, honestly
@Ends_Of_Invention2 жыл бұрын
board game review eggflation is out of control
@djb3v2 жыл бұрын
Their humour is their niche. It would be shit if they all tried to be funny.
@12345678abracadabra2 жыл бұрын
I'm kinda wishing board game reviews review board games, not feeling is the right place for sketches and bits... Imo. Why I love dice Tower
@btmurphy882 жыл бұрын
Matt deserves an Oscar for still delivering his lines while Tom handlessly devours and egg off plastic wrap. Bravo, gents.
@Alundolant Жыл бұрын
This was somehow both upsetting and amusing
@GreenHam772 жыл бұрын
This is the first SUSD video where I actually gasped. Tom really went for that egg! Kudos for nailing the bit.
@CatLegoDiver2 жыл бұрын
While this is not the first time I've watched a grown, hungry man devour a freshly-cooked egg off of a board game, I was still shocked enough to realize that I have no idea what Matt was saying at the same time.
@TheNerindil2 жыл бұрын
SU&SD: Putting breakfast foods on board games for no adequately explained reason since 1623.
@brian89722 жыл бұрын
I will forever remember the egg eating bit. That slurping noise will haunt my nightmares and fuel my.... other dreams...
@Weldingization2 жыл бұрын
Soooo happy to see 2 person SUSD reviews again!
@Ahoge-dono2 жыл бұрын
Wish Tom didn't eat that egg, revealed the illusion of willing dropping a fried egg on the expensive boardgame materials.
@ogunquit52 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was going to say, they had me on the egg until he tries to eat it and you see the cellophane.
@joshp85352 жыл бұрын
No, I was mad because they were ruining what I figured was a free copy for reviewing just for the review. Between that and the raw egg earlier I was super glad to see that they covered in plastic first.
@CheshireCad2 жыл бұрын
No, they very clearly dropped an egg directly onto the expensive boardgame. In fact, the destructive effects of the infringing foodstuffs was so severe, that you can see that it instantly bonded with the surface of the board, melting and warping it the moment that Tom moved the egg with his mouth. Tragic.
@bigguspiggus60412 жыл бұрын
I bet Matt promised Tom he would make him dinner. "There you go Tom, that's all your getting...and I'm going to film it for the review"
@andrewwalsh20212 жыл бұрын
@@bigguspiggus6041 we know that when Matt makes an egg for a good friend, he makes the best egg that he can.
@tylerharris43192 жыл бұрын
I said to myself “why does Tom have a gun?” I didn’t realize it was Chekhov’s gun.
@brianries13732 жыл бұрын
Wow, it really was. Good spot
@levantus2 жыл бұрын
They held it so long I thought they were going to violate Chekhov’s principles on purpose.
@jamesmiller21392 жыл бұрын
It wasn't just me then? Good good!
@KindredBrujah2 жыл бұрын
Do you mean Matt had a gun? Or did Tom have a gun at some point too? Or did Tom have the metaphorical gun required to adhere to Chekhov's Gun and Matt had a real* gun. *Hopefully not an actual legit real gun, but a prop gun.
@hidden_traitor73712 жыл бұрын
@@KindredBrujah "If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there." legit 'hanging' (leaning) on the back wall ^^ 0:37
@raizin49082 жыл бұрын
Noticing the wrinkles of the plastic wrap around the board when Tom ate the egg (7:25) was a weird mix of relief, that thank god they didn't actually smudge their board and cards with greasy eggy stains, and disappointment in the illusion being broken.
@danrau12 жыл бұрын
I'm halfway through the video and I'm really loving all the animals, especially the slow worm. Can't wait to see how the rest of the video goes!
@milkduds242 жыл бұрын
I am sorry to hear the news about your friend the slow worm.
@icecold18052 жыл бұрын
One word: EGG
@bonse34762 жыл бұрын
It is killed off. Brutally.
@gabrielr75112 жыл бұрын
I was horrified until I saw the creases in the plastic wrap form underneath the egg
@tylerrapillo3772 жыл бұрын
Tom eating the egg off the board at 7:40 was something else
@MrChristopherson782 жыл бұрын
It was eggscellent. (I’ll get my coat).
@stevetubeuk2 жыл бұрын
Got to wonder how many takes it took for them not to crack up. I worry for Tom's cholesterol
@Atariese2 жыл бұрын
It makes me a little sad. I never thought of tom as a twerp T.T
@bryanbourcier64922 жыл бұрын
I went and ate eggs off my entire boardgame collection it made me so hungry.....does anyone want a 2nd hand slightly greasy very yolky gloomhaven?
@paulhamilton78542 жыл бұрын
@@stevetubeuk That was my first thought as well. It's also the kind of gag that can just get funnier and funnier the more takes one does, triggering a loop of egg-eating disaster.
@frankgervasi33252 жыл бұрын
Holy hell I was INDREDIBLY UPSET watching them put raw and cooked food on top of a beautiful board and cards. Then I saw they were using plastic wrap to protect it like good boys and just thought "Damn they hide it well"
@kanedafx2 жыл бұрын
I have a lot of design issues with the game, and yet, it is SO FUN to play. And that's why we play games, right?
@melski92052 жыл бұрын
Yeap. I love that my animals constrict or poison other zoos! Get em Rex!
@AsianSensationist2 жыл бұрын
I was going to say the exact same thing. I feel like I wouldn't like the game, yet I keep coming back to it with my friends because it's just fun and enjoyable
@kehraus2 жыл бұрын
Something that needs to be stressed when playing in that is that it is very much a race up the various tracks to get stuff 'n' bonuses. Like Lost Ruins of Arnak, Ark Nova showers the strongest player with further rewards to help juice their engine, which can leave those lagging behind in the cold (not quite as bad as Arnak, mind you. 3rd and 4th players can get a consolation prize of some cash in lieu of a juicier bonus token). In all games of Ark Nova that I've played, the first person to get access to the various goodies on offer invariably went on to win. Unlike Terraforming Mars, say, where there are arguably very few objectively bad cards in that you're always gaining something at least, in Ark Nova you absolutely can get junk cards that do nothing to support your strategy. Also in Terraforming Mars, each game feels largely equal and competitive up until the end - snowballs rarely occur and the various means of scoring points are well supported. This is in stark contrast to Ark Nova, thanks to its racing aspect. Your point dobbers for Appeal and Conservation serve to mark the end of the game when they cross over, so when your dobbers are adrift across the yawning chasm of the points track, you can only watch on helplessly as the frontrunner's dobbers rush together to close like the jaws of a steel trap. When someone's dobbers cross over, signifying the game end, they also serve as a point threshold as you get a higher positive score the bigger the crossover. It means every other player essentially gets saddled with *negative* points based on how far apart their dobbers were at the endgame. Bad enough that you never drew cards that supported your strong opener and pivoted too late, or that you spent the last hour knowing full well how far behind you were on the board, but then to be told your zoo scored -28 points? Christ, what were you even doing the past 2.5 hours? Building an anti-zoo?! Ark Nova has its merits but without some means of mitigating the card variance, it's difficult to recommend it over Terraforming Mars, with its gentler and fairer pacing, from a competitive gameplay perspective. Ark Nova is a different beast and I don't regret playing it, but for those unprepared to get their skates on and race you may well be left in the dust, with a half-finished petting zoo and some crushed dreams.
@farkhad1262 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thorough elaboration. Im pretty interested in arnak for the engine building. My groupg had alot of fun with dune imperium. Would you recommend arnak?
@pipstevenson51462 жыл бұрын
I haven't found it to be too bad in terms of getting cards as long as you are prepared to pivot. If you've decided your going birds but the cards don't come up then just pivot and score something else. You can always go back to birds if you find them later. Grab some late game petting zoo animals, then throw them down for quick appeal points.
@adamxpaul2 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of Arnak (130 games played on BGA). I don't agree that it showers the leading player with rewards, personally. One aspect of the game, the research track, gives a tiny bit of extra points to the player to reach the top first and has some bonuses along the way, but the leading player won't get all of them unless the other players are asleep at the wheel since there are multiple bonuses at most tiers. There are other avenues for gaining points, too, that don't give even these small benefits to the lead player.
@Guinnes19882 жыл бұрын
I personally think TM playes way slower. Most of the times you are pushing cubes and trying to think of every possible action you can do (that is why I only play it with the app). In ark nova you always have an interesting option right in front of you, and the depth of this streamlined action selection system is just brilliant! And with two players under two hours playtime is perfect for a game of this complexity. You can't really say what game is better, maybe in the end it just comes down to the theme 😄
@kehraus2 жыл бұрын
@@adamxpaul I'll proffess to not playing Arnak to such an extent as yourself, but my experience has boiled down to whoever gets first pick of the assistants so as to improve their conversion engines will go on to climbing the rest of the research track and grab those temple bonuses to win. Yes there are multiple bonuses per tier but woe is the 3rd or 4th player who has to make the same climb unrewarded. A research track frontrunner would need to have dropped the ball significantly to have their lead lost, outside of it being a neck-and-neck race. From experience, whoever started climbing the research track first pretty much stayed in first. All of this doesn't make Arnak a bad game, of course! It just means to be sporting I make sure to highlight the importance of the research track to new players since its significance is often lost in the spread of everything else that's on offer.
@florenceo76012 жыл бұрын
Can't believe the gun that showed up on the wall in act 1 (0:37) fired in act 5
@julianbailey27492 жыл бұрын
Great review and makes me want to play the game. As an aside, your 'elephant in the zoom' issue of pulling a lucky card to score big points is why I was unsatisfied with Isle of Cats, having scored 14 points for a complete fluke pull on my last turn in that game and seen other people do similar.
@cloudkitt2 жыл бұрын
"Who are you talking to?" "I don't know. I've never been sure." XD
@ajtame2 жыл бұрын
Oh no, the game was impossible to get hold of before, nothing makes a game sell out than a SU&SD review :D
@Gfloresadam2 жыл бұрын
Wow incredible editing here, I really felt like Matt and Tom were in the same room together!
@mapanzer2 жыл бұрын
With the (often already problematic) deference given by reviewers to publishers over authors these days, I am surprised that folks find it so hard to distinguish between original publisher and international licensee. This is not a Capstone game. The game was published (and developed) by Feuerland. Capstone Games is merely the co-publisher in the US. They presumably had little to no input into the game development except for putting the logo on the box.
@KindredBrujah2 жыл бұрын
Video games have had this problem for a long time as well. As if a game coming from the same publisher, but not the same _developer_ , means it would be any more likely to be any good. Hell, even the better developers sometimes have duds, so that's no guarantee either, but it's at least a better measure than the publisher.
@metallsnubben2 жыл бұрын
@@KindredBrujah (talking specifically about videogames here) I've rarely seen a publisher make a game "better in a way unique to that publisher" but examples of making it _worse_ certainly exist. Essentially any time they do anything but "give enough money, time and marketing for the game to become what it should" really
@brinki91a2 жыл бұрын
Have you seen Portal before it was picked up by the publisher?!
@dave07542 жыл бұрын
As usual, you jump from absolute silliness to discussing something deep like the ethics surrounding environmental conservation projects in a seamless whim. And there is a worm and an egg, so absolute SU&SD branding there. 10/10.
@neonmoon83562 жыл бұрын
I kept expecting to see the worm costumes reappear 😄 Edit: nevermind, there it is!
@marrioman132 жыл бұрын
But does Ark Nova have a monk track?
@jrhawk00322 жыл бұрын
We have played a few times now and drawing from the deck early game works, but snapping and using the card upgrade to draw from the table makes it more competitive. Our last game was 18 to 24.
@lc76642 жыл бұрын
If you thought this was overly optimistic, you should play Endangered! That game is so realistic it makes me and my friends depressed when we play it. It's almost impossible to win and we call it the Eldritch Horror style version of conservation boardgames
@munchmoo65862 жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace slow worm 😔
@GuyMaleMan2 жыл бұрын
7:30 I saw the clearfoil on the table what a cop out
@maxducoudray2 жыл бұрын
Winning by drawing a lucky end-game scoring objective is a time-honored tradition in eurogames.
@KindredBrujah2 жыл бұрын
And one which thankfully has died in the better examples of that style. End-game scoring is, of course, a useful way to create a little bit of uncertainty in who's going to win, but there are better ways than secret objective cards. Or at least ones with as vast a swing impact as the ones here seem to.
@maxducoudray2 жыл бұрын
@@KindredBrujah They don’t even need to be secret. A lot of VP-based games have themed bonus scoring cards/tiles/etc that can be gained late. There’s always the chance you draw the perfect one and get a huge late-game payout in such games. I think this is less distasteful in shorter games. It’s probably a worse thing in Ark Nova since this is a longer game.
@KindredBrujah2 жыл бұрын
@@maxducoudray Still, the better examples don't do that. Terra Mystica, for instance, or Hegemony, do have end-game scoring, but it would technically be possible to calculate how many points everyone is going to earn, because it's all open information. It's just hard.
@zawadi99492 жыл бұрын
Lmao, Tom and Matt visibly fighting the urge to smirk at 7:36 😂
@garretzettel90512 жыл бұрын
The ending to this is comedy genius. Between Tom's face and the fact that it follows Matt's 2 minute monologue on responsible conservation representation... omg.
@geokami67932 жыл бұрын
This game looks so fiddly and intimidating to teach to be honest with you, seems like a pass for now unless the group really wants it
@qwagor2 жыл бұрын
Reminded me of this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKrZqpuhe52LqJY
@m00npie2 жыл бұрын
You should give the game a shot. It's extremely smooth....even on Tabletop Simulator, of all things! :)
@benjaminloyd60562 жыл бұрын
Many, many bits.
@KindredBrujah2 жыл бұрын
It just seems like it's taking up a _massive_ amount of table space when the vast majority of it could have been done just on the character boards. What is that enormous runner in the middle even for? They barely even mentioned it in the review.
@mvbracing2 жыл бұрын
It is actually really easy to teach compared to other heavy games but that will always be a personal opinion. I teach a lot of games and with ark nova pretty much all first time players have loved it.
@BenTinney2 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute. Hypnotic animals? Why did my zoologist friends never tell me they had to deal with hypnotism as an occupational hazard‽
@KindredBrujah2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I spotted that too. That's not actually a thing. Bit silly in a game which has all this realism draped all over it.
@Гденашареальностьчувак2 жыл бұрын
Target of a hypnosis is quite often shown not remembering being hypnotised. So maybe your friends should bring tape-recoder with them when visiting those sneaky magic animals. Who knows what freaky stuff those animals are into nowadays.
@testnameone8062 жыл бұрын
playing it I felt the game with so many intertwined systems to keep track off would work better as a computer game. So agree with the Zoo tycoon reference. Also there is little player interaction, everyone focused on their own little engine, may as well have been on a computer. I like the social interaction of sitting down to play a board-game and felt this one suppressed that.
@PVRPxWVLF10 ай бұрын
Same. Aside from a few of the animal abilities which affect others and maybe blocking off or picking up a card someone else needs theres little to no p2p interaction and thats a huge fun factor for me 😢
@matorono12 жыл бұрын
Big Bin Barry & Big Bin Garry are the true MVPs here
@kiddota2 жыл бұрын
The arc of that game though: it starts as a hectic efficiency puzzle to get your economy going and your action cards upgraded. Then there’s beautiful breezy exploration finding synergies in the cards you draw. Until you realize that the scores are really ramping up and you have to decide which of your plans you can still finish in the few remaining rounds. This is one of the greatest game designs in years!
@Guinnes19882 жыл бұрын
Totally agree! Even if the endgame scoring can in fact be a little shaky, there is always a pleasant tension at the table. I do think the best player will most of the times win though, such "elefant-incidents" will be quite rare😁
@shanashinigami2 жыл бұрын
If you like that mechanic, I think you'd also enjoy wingspan :)
@Guinnes19882 жыл бұрын
@@shanashinigami Except with wingspan you have even more cards that you definately will never ever see 😆(love that game though)
@tylerbrown97972 жыл бұрын
@@Guinnes1988 Yah but in wingspan there are also multiple ways to increase card draw, cards that allow you to draw but force you to discard as well and cards that let you tuck cards from your hand underneath them for points. If you draw a card you don't need in wingspan it will probably still be useful to you if you are smart about it.
@Guinnes19882 жыл бұрын
@@tylerbrown9797 All those points are also true with ark nova, I always have a good handful of cards and you also can stuff them under cards for extra benefits (with certain animals at least :D)
@mpm1652 жыл бұрын
I love how unhinged this review got at parts, and I too hunger for real zoo
@VagabondTE2 жыл бұрын
Do you.. have.. ANY IDEA!?!.. how relieved I was when I saw the plastic wrap?! Jesus Christ y'all. My heart can't take this.
@LordApricot2 жыл бұрын
I feel like these reviews just get better and better, more and more entertaining. I feel like maybe this game isn't for me, as I think I will be put off by the payoff not correlating to the effort put in, I find that I have that problem with some other games with similar hidden scoring criteria, so I'm really glad you pointed that out.
@dereksimmons58772 жыл бұрын
The game is lighter than BGG implies. It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to learn. Try it out on TTS if you want to avoid the setup and teardown (that's where the effort is). At most 1 out of 5 games will be decided by a hidden scoring card. And given that the pool of them is TINY you will be able to memorize and predict which ones your opponents have after seeing each of them once.
@LordApricot2 жыл бұрын
@@dereksimmons5877 Sorry, I think I was a bit unclear, I didn't mean to imply it was the investment in learning the game and it's complexity that put me off, I love that. But if spending the effort to pick out the perfect move each turn isn't correlated to actually doing better in the game then it feels like wasted effort to me and I don't tend to have a good time.
@dereksimmons58772 жыл бұрын
@@LordApricot Ahh okay. I don't ever feel that my choices don't matter. There have been games where the luck of the draw prevented me from winning, yes, but I was always given the agency to mitigate the risk that luck brings. In other words, the value of each action selection is in preventing a loss more than securing a win. Its all about keeping your options open, without dragging your feet, and being ready to capitalize on the luck. In this way, it reminds me of Cole Wherle games like Oath and Pax Pamir 2E.
@onlinekutuoyuncularplatfor9132 жыл бұрын
The action mechanism that is 100% copied from Civilization A New Dawn has been called "genius" in this review.
@12345678abracadabra2 жыл бұрын
Let's be clear, the elephant gives you a potential extra 12 points, I wouldn't say it's that powerful. That's 32 tickets worth, at 36 bucks in a 5 size enclosure. Strong, but not broken. If anything, it's a gamble because you are more likely to get a final scoring that gives you only 3-6 extra tickets
@StefanLopuszanski2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy the game but the variance in the card draws is huge. That isn't a big deal in a short game, but a 3+ hour game that can boil down to a single lucky draw is very frustrating. Love the systems and I'm working on something similar in a sense, but definitely hope to fix those swingy issues.
@brettsmith84902 жыл бұрын
Yeah you nailed it on the head for me also, a 30-minute game is no big deal but to lose a 3+ hour game off of one lucky pull would kill me and my playgroup on the game instantly.
@kiddota2 жыл бұрын
But it doesn’t boil down to a single luck draw like a 30 minute game would! You won‘t win a game just by drawing an elephant in the last round. And you won’t lose a game if your starting hand isn’t containing any icons that are needed for the conservation projects. The length of the game actually mitigates the luck.
@StefanLopuszanski2 жыл бұрын
@@kiddota : No, but people at relative similar skill level are playing largely around the luck of the draw. There's a lot of variance in that. You see it in Terraforming Mars too, but that's two hours, not three, and you're drafting in that so it helps balance it out. I enjoy Ark Nova but feel like it would be better ramping up faster and having some drafting or something to mitigate the luck. You draw percentage wise so few cards that you can just get nothing that works together at times. It can be very frustrating in those situations.
@kiddota2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t played a ton of Terraforming Mars, so I can’t directly compare play time within group. But I can say that we play a 2-player game of Ark Nova in 90 Minutes and a 3-player game in about 2 hours.
@StefanLopuszanski2 жыл бұрын
@@kiddota : I could see Ark Nova going down to two hours with 3 experienced players, but we used to play TfM in 60-90 with 4 players. Ark Nova isn't that great at 2 player from what everyone has said. And it is very slow with 4 so it doesn't scale as well. I did enjoy my games if it but wish you saw more cards and had more opportunities to pivot strategies and plans instead of just going with what you get from turn to turn.
@indianajon79802 жыл бұрын
A true Kheckhov's gun sort of video! Kudos to you! Great vid. Not a game I think I'll play but was laughing out loud at the review!
@ollesocke75792 жыл бұрын
OK...I have to know. How many egg takes were there?
@borreholic72382 жыл бұрын
"No eggs were not harmed during the making of this video."
@bigaleka922 жыл бұрын
Great review. Thank you. On the theme, there is something naturally sinister about zoos anyway isn’t there? People especially, very young kids, walk around a zoo looking at the animals failing to really acknowledge the bars or the glass they are staring through. Or later we shake our heads disapprovingly of the bars and glass screens, while failing to acknowledge why some of the animals in the zoo are endangered in the first place (where is the bin so I can throw my Pringles pack away). My god a walk around Sea World gave me chills, and I would still class myself as semi ignorant!! But I admire the fact that the game tries to bring light to how a zoo can work for a positive purpose, having said that I like the idea of a future expansion that has you making difficult moral decisions. Overall I love the game, and respect the views in this video. Thanks again.
@eligra2 жыл бұрын
So much this. I've never really liked zoos, not even as a child.
@lauraweiss78752 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to play a game as a game, and not patronize actual zoos?
@bigaleka922 жыл бұрын
@@lauraweiss7875 of course! I’ve played the game loads, I was just talking in the context of the views made in the video. Not sure I patronised zoos!
@poguri272 жыл бұрын
The game had an opportunity to raise awareness about the untold harms against animals perpetuated by zoos under the guise of "education" or "conservation" (and really, in service of profit), and neglected to do so. I can't see it as anything other than a contributor to those harms in how it glosses over them and pretends everything is fine and zoos are great. Which, for the 98% of the population that doesn't give a shit about animal wellbeing, I guess works for them, but I won't be financially supporting it, and I certainly couldn't bring myself to enjoy the game due to this theme.
@SamiPaju2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Watching this first thing in the morning over a cup of coffee really put a smile on my face :) Thanks!
@senorfix2 жыл бұрын
What a phenomenally comprehensive and entertaining review/analysis. Bravo!
@tomasxfranco2 жыл бұрын
Great Collab. I appreciate the transparent film under the egg. It would have hurt to watch otherwise.
@golgarisoul2 жыл бұрын
I'll never forget Gorm.
@SmokinBrick2 жыл бұрын
They went through two dozen eggs trying to nail that one shot
@bryanbourcier64922 жыл бұрын
so happy to get to watch a double review in person. the zoom stuff and single is great but I love watching everyone play off eachother it's what has made SU&SD itself since episode 1. be safe love ya'll
@theatremorgan2 жыл бұрын
So, in the end, the most important part for the listener is either: 1) this game isn’t perfect and you might not win because of the luck of the draw and there are a lot of cards and it’s not a perfect representation of the financial and political realities of creating a zoo or 2) this game makes it fun to put together a zoo. I’m going with the second one. For those who go with number 1, have fun with that…
@adamanonymous68852 жыл бұрын
Dunno if you said it explicitly in the review, but I get the impression (without actually knowing for sure) this is from the same designer as Terraforming Mars? It certainly shares a lot of the same DNA... Both games look like they have their flaws, but I confidently predict that some day a game in this style (draw cards, meet pre-requisites, build cards, gain bonuses, use bonuses to meet pre-requisites on better cards, surge to the moon) will accidentally get the mix just right and become something INCREDIBLE within the industry - the next Dominion, basically... There's just some deep magic in both those games that will get fully harnessed one day
@mdtrx2 жыл бұрын
At least we still have the green worm..
@Castorshells2 жыл бұрын
I flipped out on that egg until I realized you covered that board in plastic wrap. Great video and humor!!!!
@przemyslawszerwinski88072 жыл бұрын
I died a bit on the inside when the egg hit the card 😒
@elemen_ts13 Жыл бұрын
the comical parts forced me to Like this video (the review itself is great as well)
@fuchila2point02 жыл бұрын
Not that it was ever really lost, it was just muddied.
@DanGalarzaCyber2 жыл бұрын
Arboretum showing up amused me immensely.
@walkman1492 жыл бұрын
Love seeing these collaborative reviews again, always a joy to see thank you susd
@AWonkyCarrot2 жыл бұрын
For some reason I've not been keeping up with susd vids for a year or so. VERY happy I get back into them by watching Matt and Tom barely contain their laughter as Tom slurps an egg. That's board games baby!
@Kolvarg2 жыл бұрын
And here I was thinking this was going to be a game about animills, when it was actually about aminals the whole time!
@JerreMuesli2 жыл бұрын
I think I'd love this game but it's also a game where you need a fixed group to play it with. You don't want to play this with a bunch of starting players where you score 70 points while they try to make it to 10
@stuartgillies2896Ай бұрын
I wish you guys would review everything in my life. Brilliant video.
@ChronoMager2 жыл бұрын
I cannot state how relieved I was at seeing the cling film underneath the egg.
@scimmytag2 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite game now! I cant even get myself to see the critisims presented here 😅. Is just not as much of an engine builder as an 'deal with what you got' game. 50% luck and 50% skill on a hardcore game, for some that might be too much luck, for me and my friends it means that those who are maybe not as good at these kind of games have a chang to win while getting better.
@AverySwanson2 жыл бұрын
Idk who put that UB Funkeys song in here but damn
@rossglenn76002 жыл бұрын
Love it when two SU&SD reviewers work together! And I think Matt is on to something at the 14:30 mark. One of the things I really like about Terraforming Mars is that you can build an engine that is light with plants and fish and scrub brush, or you can go dark with nuclear weapons and drug-fueled metropolises and indentured servants. It makes no difference mechanically but it really adds to the flavor of the game.
@bielsabas44072 жыл бұрын
great review! answered most of my curiosities with this game.
@thomasellysonting35542 жыл бұрын
So its basically trying to be Terraforming Mars, but it lacks the actions (Standard Projects) which are completely card-independent so everyone is forced to pray to the RNG Gods for the right card to show up. As I commented before - I think this is designers not really "getting" what made TM tick. TM - especially the base game - is actually one of the most skill-dependent Euros ever that rewards the players that carefully observe the board state. Here it seems there is basically no player interaction at all (except for a few "Take That!" cards) and competition for some exclusive scoring and sponsorships. Also - I just have to say: Coffee Traders was far, far, FAR, worse when it comes to the subject whitewashing (in the original definition of the word). The entire Coffee industry is literally dependent on exploiting Third World labor - meaning that literally every worker in that game is an underpaid wage slave - yet the manual literally never mentions it and instead reserves a section for how the Indonesians are so evil for mistreating Civets. It tries to be woke by caring about mistreated animals while ignoring all of the mistreated people in the industry. Indeed, most of your plantation improvement actions - like building hospitals - literally don't even benefit your workers and instead just gives you points; implying they are just part of a corporate PR campaign to convince drinkers in Western markets that their coffee is being sourced "responsibly" instead of being harvested through human misery. So really, I think Capstone Games is very much into the "trying to appear woke, but actually end up condoning the very evils they are supposed to be fighting against" kind of theming. I guess thats what sells to audiences nowadays who want the feeling of wokeness, but who never actually take any action against the injustices they supposedly decry.
@Sihoiba2 жыл бұрын
Great teamwork on this review and I really appreciate the way your two takes give a much better whole impression. However the bit where Tom eats the fried egg broke the illusion, I will forever see the clingfilm behind the jokes!
@wiggen21492 жыл бұрын
RIP Harambe
@zacharyharned31882 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you boys doing these reviews together. I missed the duo-dynamics.
@thephoenixstudio2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice the handgun by the door?
@narsil04202 жыл бұрын
Just watching this made me realize I'm very happy being in the camp of midweight gamer.
@markbaker4652 жыл бұрын
Ark-ham Nova Horror. Someone's been cross-breeding animals to create the Omnimal that will summon a great old one... again. Take three direct horror. Not for the cultist stuff, just for the weird stock images.
@sebastiantrost64092 жыл бұрын
I've never been so relieved to see plastic foil!
@Ridnarhtim2 жыл бұрын
how do you manage to keep a straight face filming any of this
@ChrisM-xx6cf2 жыл бұрын
Big Egg has a strong presence in this review.
@GrievousFrom2 жыл бұрын
Seeing Matt and Tom work on something together now gives me Forbidden Waters vibes, having seen them play it together with the creators.
@BenBoersma2 жыл бұрын
Agree that with some nice illustration work, this could have really popped visually. As it is, the photographs are "a bit naff". Some of the photographs are terribly chosen too. Eg, the frilled lizard doesn't even show it's aforementioned frill!
@xuldinga772 жыл бұрын
i cringed whenever an egg was poured on top of a card lol
@benjaminloyd60562 жыл бұрын
1990's Zoo Tycoon is a classic. So much fun.
@hatimzeineddine87232 жыл бұрын
imma be honest, I don't remember anything after seeing tom eat an egg (from his good friend)
@masonstrunk61772 жыл бұрын
Truly the Monty Python’s of board game reviews
@CalamityCallie_02 жыл бұрын
2:19 is that... is that the Ster bird impression from the "Jerma's got talent" stream???
@tombrewster90672 жыл бұрын
shhh...
@super_77102 жыл бұрын
holy fuck I knew I heard it before - that's exactly where its from
@joemacleod-iredale28882 жыл бұрын
Getting some significant Mighty Boosh flashbacks with you two running a zoo.
@john-qz3fu2 жыл бұрын
Old Greg
@LuvzToLol217 ай бұрын
Honestly I think 'Ark Nova' is a really bad name for this game. It sorta brings to mind a Noah's Ark thing where you're rescuing animals, not building a zoo
@jimmykokein5 ай бұрын
Ark Nova means "New Ark" and that is exactly the reason they picked this title. A Zoo's main goal is to preserve animals and raise awareness of their endangerment, breed animals then free them into the wild, and to treat sick animals. Perfectly fitting name for a Zoo Game.
@Lannuss2 жыл бұрын
Know that I hunger for real Zoo. Best line of the review. Oh Tom, tis you who I hunger for.
@relativelyboard99592 жыл бұрын
What a great and nuanced review. I love that you guys don't just go in gushing at the newest hotness-great critiques on the luck factor in the competitive game and the overly optimistic nature of this game. I appreciate well-thought-out reviews like this. Keep it up.
@jamesodwyer41812 жыл бұрын
A most eggcellent review.
@someguy4262 Жыл бұрын
Amazing Chekov's gun play. Didn't even clock it the first time 'round.
@guillaumepages44292 жыл бұрын
A game about zoo should have the players being constantly underfunded. Because that is the reality.
@pixxelwizzard2 жыл бұрын
You're worried about how a board game represents animal conversation? Where'd that fried egg come from? It better have been a free range chicken, or you got some splainin' to do!
@RacingDamon2 жыл бұрын
My flatmate got really mad yesterday about my lucky card pulls in Takenoko. Better not try this one with him!
@13ane2 жыл бұрын
I love that the egg was foreshadowed. I laughed a lot lol Tom you are a savage.
@TomTom-gx3ye2 жыл бұрын
Goodnight, sweet Worm.
@denisjalusic15042 жыл бұрын
Great review. Hope Quins is working on Clash of cultures :D