Zoom F6 Audio Recorder Review

[@momchilyordanov8190]

The + / - 60db recovery in the beginning was the most impressive thing I've ever seen lol

[@curtisjudd]

Yes, impressive what they’ve achieved!

[@markjob6354]

Yeah, ditto. I wouldn't have thought this was possible, or it would be possible but sound like junk with a noticable noise floor.

[@timbeaton5045]

@@markjob6354 Me too! I think this way of recording is going to become a standard method among all audio recorder manufacturers. Wonder who will jump first!?

[@timbeaton5045]

What price Limiters, now? Almost pointless?

[@MAMAvsGOD]

FACTS. Can other Devices Achieve this?? Working in Studio this is Something I NEVER SEEN.

[@geraldundone]

Great video, Curtis! And thanks for the shout-out. 🤓🙏

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Gerald! Thanks for covering the audio interface aspects of the F6!

[@MyOtheHedgeFox]

Curtis, your style is incredible - from the short and succinct intro with the text-based channel intro and summary (both a rarity these days!) to the professional and practical delivery. Even if most of these devices cost far too much for me to even consider, I still await your every new notification. Sound capture, warm confidence, classy no-frills editing - there’s everything to strive for!

[@curtisjudd]

Wow, thanks MyO! That means a lot.

[@EzzenzDK]

Exactly - detailed, sharp and straight to the point - no silly jokes etc. just love your style too!!

[@videosuperhighway7655]

I agree. I skip those unprofessional reviewers on youtube especially when they start out with waaaaats up guuuys. Etc..

[@fatheadvideollc]

Curtis, first of all THANKS for your well done informational YT channel. I purchased the F6 for a short film I made a few weeks ago and it worked flawlessly in 32 bit for the barely audible young actor along with a scene with a lot of loud screaming, and crying. I purchased it based on your initial review of this great piece. THANK YOU and I am glad you have the reviews you do.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks and really glad to hear it’s working well. Those whisper to yelling situations can be rough, but much easier with this.

[@spo5egy]

You've just sold me on it twice!

[@LearnLightAndSoundSessions]

@@spo5egy 👍

[@curtisjudd]

*CORRECTION* F6 CAN record 32-bit Float at 192kHz. To do so, you must turn off the LR Mix and AutoMix and Limiters. *ALSO* recently found that many cameras record rather noisy audio when you feed audio from the F6's output to the camera's microphone input. I didn't have this issue with the BMPCC6K when I sent a line level signal but did have the issue with a Panasonic GH5 with a mic level signal. I have reported this issue to Zoom North America. AND, DaVinci Resolve now handles 32-bit float files.

[@curtisjudd]

Would be nice if it gave you a hint as to why 192kHz is grayed out when it is. Potential firmware update, Zoom? 😀

[@FreeToUseSounds]

@Zlatko Zlatev Hi Zlatko. If I am correct then you only change the fader (output) but not the gain if you have set it to 32 Bit.

[@brianwyse5810]

is it better than mix-pre?

[@LangstoniusRex]

@@jukarnariusIt does. I use the tone generator to set the levels on output when its plugged into cameras.

[@JonRivero]

@Zlatko Zlatev But only in 32 bits mode Isn`t?. I want this function on 24 bits mode with limiters. Zoom ¡It's annoying!

[@mattgray128]

Definitely one of the best pieces of kit I’ve ever used. Not worrying about gain makes one-man-crew operations so much easier. Been using this for weeks and I love it.

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@markjob6354]

Hi Curtis: I just wanted to take this opportunity and thank you for your very thorough and direct reviews and how to videos you do here on your KZbin Channel. You are easy to listen to, easy to understand, and you have a great gifting to teach :) I learn so much from watching all your various reviews and analysis of audio and video products. These are the tools we are all using as film makers almost every day, and it's greatly appreciated. You are an important technical resource.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks so much, Mark. I really appreciate the feedback!

[@markjob6354]

@@curtisjudd No, thank You Curtis. You're a walking techno-encyclopedia of Digital video and audio production.

[@markjob6354]

@Curtis Judd - Have you done a review of the Atomos Sumo 19 ? I'm giving it some serious consideration for purchase.

[@TheGreyfoo]

I just receently bought one of these (in Australia), based on your review. I love it! 32-bit, clipless audio is such a profound, incredible leap forward, and I can't thank you enough for bringing it to my attention. As a solo videographer, I'm certainly never going back! ... Of note, I found that - beyond just letting me set the perfect 'gain' in post, I was also able to apply some really extreme EQ to the 32-bit WAVs inside Adobe Premiere (a 20dB swing from -10dB to +10dB) without the usual appearance of coloring/ugliness/smearing I'd otherwise expect in a highly-processed sound. (I don't actually know if any of Adobe Premiere's EQs are specifically linear phase but doubt it). Or so it appeared to me, anyway: ... On the F6 I recorded 32-bit/48kHz, and just two days previously the H6 (24-bit/48kHz) - in the same theatre/space, same mic (NTG3). The space isn't acoustically treated for bass, so (coupled with the NTG3s low-midness), I have to apply a very strong EQ cut to lows, and boost to highs. I applied the same (massive) EQ to both recordings, and the 32-bit just SINGS. ... On top of that, Zoom knocked it out of the park with the power options. I bought an Atomos 2-pack and charger, with over 8 hours of run time on a single L-battery, which can be swapped out in mere seconds. I'm not going to miss AA batteries at all. Stupidly happy. ... Thanks again Curtis.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks for you insights, Greyfoo!

[@philipbloom]

great review Curtis. I just got mine and am wading though it. Love the 32 bit float!

[@curtisjudd]

Congrats on the new recorder, Philip! Contact me with any questions any time!

[@emilybeth8224]

My mind is blown within the first 2:30 minutes! The post-gain-editing has me stunned. Absolutely great review

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Emily. Happy recording!

[@nobbystyles4807]

my jaw nearly hit the floor on that audio recovery section. i was expecting some audible floor noise at least. i am absolutel buying one of these this week. i was going to get an h6 but heck..... this thing is a beast.

[@curtisjudd]

Good call - much better investment than the H6. :)

[@treffensaintjohnllc2913]

This device is excellent for recording conferences that have questions coming from the audience and there is not a "roaming" mic nearby. In post you can correct the volume without raising the noise floor. It will save TONS of time in post-production! Conversely if you clip the audio this device will save you big time! WOW! Just WOW!

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@makatron]

Insane details, imagine in a decade when 48 bit recording is available so it can recover the file even after unplug the microphone 😅

[@curtisjudd]

Hahaha!

[@videosuperhighway7655]

64bit it records the future. Lol

[@CyrilleBoucanogh]

Don't stop on 48, better 128 bits when you just stay at home watching your favourite movies while ZOOM shoots and edits and does all the video production for you 😅

[@peterwiessenthaner5107]

I wait also of this possibility with 48 bit recording 😅

[@makatron]

@@peterwiessenthaner5107 it'll just tap on your thoughts and provide a normalized track

[@JensLarsen]

Great overview. Your channel and these detailed reviews really makes it easier to figure out what might work and what might not work. Thank you!!

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@iancraig]

What a great recording device. Love that dynamic range that it offers and you were able to rescuse the overblown and ‘underblown’ recordings!

[@curtisjudd]

👍 pretty neat!

[@hitars]

No.2 item I bought it after your video. $550USD in Australia, what a great price. thank you Curtis.

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@VitinhoXXL]

That "good bye" message sold me out :)

[@curtisjudd]

There’s nothing quite like a friendly piece of gear. 🤓

[@penmelyn]

Davinci now supports 32bit float. Great channel by the way, full of concise info and considered opinion and no flummery!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Llywelyn.

[@LangstoniusRex]

Why am i watching this when i already have the zoom f6? (love it. just used it for a week on a web series)

[@curtisjudd]

Hahaha! Glad to hear it’s working well for you!

[@HeliumContent]

You're trying to prevent buyer's remorse ;) Happens to all of us, man!

[@LangstoniusRex]

@@HeliumContent loooool. Maybe so. I will say, all this time later, the 32 bit float saved my arse when I stupidly tried to shoot three cameras at the same time _while_ running the sound. Screwed up the levels on some takes, didnt catch it on set. Was able to recover the tracks because i could raise the levels. moral of the story: find a crew! Oh and that 32 bit float feature is amazing :)

[@HeliumContent]

@@LangstoniusRex It's a game-changer - Sound Devices has also incorporated this into their Gen.II Mix-Pre models. It's a great time to be a filmmaker!

[@johnbixby8305]

Instantly subscribed. Curtis this is the most efficient and polished review I have ever seen on a piece of audio equipment... Flawless victory.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks John, really appreciate the feedback!

[@riparianstudios]

So what you're telling me is that this recorder could perfectly capture the sound of my head exploding while watching this demo, even with its sudden and percussive loudness.

[@curtisjudd]

Most likely, yes. 😀

[@TonyBabarino]

Bahahahahaha!!!

[@kalpeshgandhi5176]

Curtis Ju

[@ricardorgomez]

THANK YOU for doing this video! Though when you initially spoke to these folks about the recorder, we all knew it was a matter of time when you'd review it. The look on your face when the words 'no gain' was used was priceless! I was surprised how small the unit really is and it seems like they made it that way for mobility. With the least amount of compromises. Being able to power it with a fairly normal battery bank and mountable under a camera on a tripod is impressive especially considering its performance. I think in the last 7 or so years, I've bought into a couple of online courses. I can figure it out and practice on my own. But I'll definitely be purchasing one of yours when the time comes. Your practical yet thorough approach to gear is first rate!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks so much Ricardo! Happy recording!

[@PhotoMakers]

Hi, Great review! thank you so much!!!! I couldn't see if the F6 show the actual gain for each volume knob. Imagine that you have 2 mics for stereo recording and you need perfectly "aligned" gains for both tracks. Does it offer this control or only on the visuals?

[@curtisjudd]

Yes, you can link 2 or more channels together so that you can set their faders or trim with one control, thus ensuring they are at the exact same level.

[@PhotoMakers]

@@curtisjudd perfect!! Thank you so much for the clarification!!!!

[@zedamex]

Curtis, I may just be another random commenting from the net but I must thank you for basically being relentless and carrying on reviewing audio gear like this. I last commented talking about the F8 when that first came out as I purchased it. It's great to see you still going strong. Ever since then I've always wanted something with a much better headphone amp for listening to your recordings with a less tinny sound, and mic amp with the warmer base sound of the sound devices but with the live podcast-able features and not at $5000 price point. The new F6 (less clipping when doing offline recording) and Mix Pre II has me excited about audio interfaces again. Now I just need to save some money - as for me this is a hobby so the top teir stuff just can not be justified.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks zedamex - really appreciate the feedback. The MixPre line also just added MixAssist which automatically mixes multi-host podcasts more effectively than the AutoMix on the Zoom F series. It's a great time for podcasters!

[@remektekmedia6641]

Good review up to your usual high standard.I upgraded from a Zoom F8 to the F6 and loved it. However after a week I decided to swap to the MixPre-6 Mk ii. You've made an accurate comparison between the two, so I won't repeat them, but... However, I want to note that the 3.5mm Aux mic input on the MP range is really excellent, especially with the smaller units, when the user might be vlogging in the field, as you can plug in a 3.5mm mic that needs plug-in power, without resolving to a bulky XLR adaptor, like the Rode VXLR+. This is especially handy, for "quick and dirty" stereo location sound such as I might use on a holiday, when I can plug in a Rode Stereo Video MicPro. Point in favour of the F6, compared to the MixPre-3 or 6 Mk ii, is that its iOS App can produce a Sound Report. This is only available on the much more expensive MixPre-10 Mk ii. For me personally, the draw cards for the MixPre-6 Mk ii, were gain controls in 32 bit mode, 3.5mm stereo input, 1/4" line inputs and the user interface, however I also liked the F6, so much that I might buy it again if I needed the extra inputs, or get a new F8something, when 32 bit comes to the F8 range.

[@roryonabike5863]

Re your comment about sound reports, maybe check out Sound Devices’s free app WaveAgent if you aren’t already familiar with it. If you use Mac OS Catalina, note that Sound Devices is working on an update.

[@remektekmedia6641]

@@roryonabike5863 Thanks for that Rory. (what's you bike, BTW? - I am also a motorbiker). WaveAgent currently doesn't support 32 bit audio files(!!! DUH) and requires running on a Mac, so it is really a pain in the you know what for field use. In contrast the Zoom iOS App can create this in the field. Too bad about Android users, though. As SD provide Sound Report facility for the MixPre-10 using the WingMan App, I really think they should have that feature for the MixPre-3 and 6, after all it would not cost them anything and the SD products are hardly cheap so intentionally limiting this function seems to me contra productive.

[@curtisjudd]

I think you capture my sentiment, too: it’s a tough choice. Both really are quite impressive.

[@roryonabike5863]

RemekTek Media Hi. Moto Guzzi V7 II. WaveAgent also runs in Windows, but as you say it doesn’t work in iOS. I agree about the WingMan app.

[@PDU_Tutorials]

Thanks CJ! That’s a great feature! Thanks for the MixPre comparison.

[@curtisjudd]

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[@BasicFilmmaker]

Ha! You got an NTG3! Sweet! Do you have or are you doing an F6 course? Maybe you mention it later. Not all the way through the video yet. So far it’s awesome!! 👍

[@curtisjudd]

NTG3, finally added to the kit. Can finally cross that off the list. :) Yes, definitely planning a Zoom F6 course!

[@gixerags750]

Wow, that 32 bit float is something else !!!! Unreal.

[@curtisjudd]

I suspect the cost is a bit more noise floor.

[@roryonabike5863]

Some people may be interested in knowing that B&H is selling the Zoom F6 and the original MixPre-6, which it has units of despite the introduction of version II, for the same price, US$650. That is $200 less than the price for a MixPre-6ii.

[@curtisjudd]

Thank you Rory.

[@ngocehgayabebas2118]

Amazing. You answered every single comment. Well done Curtis, you have my respect

[@curtisjudd]

Thank you Ngoceh.

[@roryonabike5863]

What happens if one tries to use a wireless lav mike with the F6 set for 32 bit/dual converters?

[@curtisjudd]

The wireless system or lavalier mic are almost certainly going to be the dynamic range limiting factors.

[@LordCaes]

​@@curtisjudd I am considering the F6 to record a panel discussion, 2 boomed NTG 5s as backup to 4 individual lavs. Are there wireless Lavs that will be able to take advantage of the 32bit, or would the Zoom F2 or Tentacle Sync Track E be a better option? Thank you in advance :-)

[@curtisjudd]

@@LordCaes Zaxcom makes wireless systems with a feature they call Neverclip. It does not use a 32-bit float wav file, but a proprietary format called MARF. It achieves the same thing but really works best with Zaxcom mixer/recorders and are very expensive - in a totally different league to the F6. Assuming you're not looking to spend that much money, I would say the F2 or Track E would be good options.

[@LordCaes]

@@curtisjudd Thanks very much!

[@NesHacker]

I really appreciate your videos! Wonderful quality and very easy to understand :)

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks NesHacker.

[@SSingh-nr8qz]

DAMN YOU! I was so proud of my H5...Then I saw this video LOL.

[@curtisjudd]

Hahaha! The H5 still holds its own. Happy recording!

[@madeiraislander]

and me the H4n Pro :C bad pre-gains though!! had to buy a fethead to fix that.

[@savanaviolenta]

You know that there is f8 right?

[@satsahota1765]

Love your reviews Mr Judd. I’ve just ordered a mix pre 3 ii and your content helped so much researching which was best for my use. Thank you

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Sat and I hope the MixPre works well for you!

[@dblbassted]

You've become my go-to for all things audio for video. Thank you!

[@curtisjudd]

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[@TheProVideo]

after watching this video i bought F6 Thank you

[@TheProVideo]

@@curtisjudd Thank your videos are amazing love it

[@curtisjudd]

Happy recording!

[@FrankETaylor]

I ended up buying a F6 that was a floor model for $580. I really wanted the mix pre-6 but I don't do enough sounds jobs to justify the extra $$ for it for two less inputs (even though I really prefer the combo inputs over standard XLRs). I've only recorded a handful of things with it so far but I really do love it. I don't worry as much about watching the levels and instead focus on the subjects being filmed. Thank you for helping make the decision!

[@curtisjudd]

👍 glad to hear it’s working out!

[@FrankETaylor]

@@curtisjudd Quick update, I've only had one issue so far, and that happened when I inserted an older SD card that has become frozen (you can access the files on it, but can't write anything new). The F6 said error but then armed and said it was recording. Long story short it didn't record anything, and there was nothing to recover. Had I tried to format the card I would have figured it out, but it was a bit of a rush and I've used other cards in it without formatting and had no issues. But you live and you learn (and always record a test sample on the card before using it that day). Luckily I had a scratch track running to a camera so all isn't lost, but it's not 32bit so less wiggle room in post.

[@curtisjudd]

@@FrankETaylor Thanks for sharing. Definitely a good idea to format and test the card first. In fact, in the System->SD Card menu, there's a testing function to confirm the card will work well with the F6.

[@FrankETaylor]

@@curtisjudd Yeah it's funny because I ran that after the fact just to see what it would say and it said the card was fine. But yeah, if I had tried to format it first I would have had a less stressful weekend. I talked to them on the phone and they might fix that in a firmware update, but they had never encountered anything like that so who knows.

[@qwiklok]

A technical tour de force. , thank you. After listening to the equally briiliant video on the Mixpre 6, the form factor, analog limiters, lighted dials and screen won out. the unit fits winderfully under a Sony A73, winner. These videos are game changers. Again thank you..

[@curtisjudd]

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[@peterwiessenthaner5107]

Hallo Curtis Judd thank you for this good informations. I work with these audio recorder 2 years and i like it. Since the zoom f6 is very small, it is not easy to adjust the settings. Otherwise, I am very satisfied with the recorder.

[@curtisjudd]

Glad it works well for you 👍🎙

[@JavierMercedes]

That 32 bit float example is blowing my mind.

[@curtisjudd]

It is pretty cool for directly connected mics with a lot of dynamic range. Just remember that it doesn't apply to wireless mic systems - they'll usually clip before the audio gets to the recorder.

[@perspectivestudioscaribbea5899]

Excellent comprehensive review Curtis, after viewing I feel as though if an F6 was in front of me I would know my way around it without any difficulty. Keep up the great work !

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks!

[@AriRannveigarson]

Excellent video, really helped me with my decision making. The new firmware that came for mixpre this week included AutoMix and Sound Reports. the F series are great and you get a lot for your money, used to own F8. (only major downside was the headphone amp) thanks for your time and effort put in this review

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks!

[@matthewlee2957]

Curtis, thanks for taking the time and sharing your thoughts. . . . . So appreciate it

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Matthew!

[@JeffreyHackReacts]

Great review Curtis! I just purchased this item from a sound production friend and am learning how the device works. I've use the Mix-Pre6 and Zoom H4N before. So I'm learning my way around the ballpark.

[@curtisjudd]

Happy recording!

[@robertsaca3512]

6:40 you can convert musical trs cables etc. to XLR and directly into the recorder, I know because I do this often, especially guitars.

[@curtisjudd]

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[@bolttracks]

The outputs are really nothing to rave about, especially since the headphone amp is pretty noisy, but man do the recordings sound great and the built-in Ambisonics encoding is amazing given the price point. The BTA-1 Bluetooth adapter and app are a must have for anyone who records a lot because being able to quickly name and rename tape and move between folders is just so much easier.

[@curtisjudd]

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[@mrheng562]

Take my Perkins money!!! I can see this being very useful for my students when they’re working their group projects. I’m not a sound guy, but the 32-bit float will save so much time in post. That’s insane flexible!!! As always, great content! Thank you!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Heng, and great to hear from you!

[@maxheadrom3088]

This is the channel I click like before watching. Excellent!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Max.

[@ramonbs6075]

awesome and very instructional video!!! I think this is the best KZbin channel of sound related content. Keep going!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Ramón!

[@johnmartinez4501]

Wow, I was really looking forward to this review, and you did not disappoint! Long list of questions, sorry: 1) Since the F6 has dual ADC's combined with the 32-bit recording, vs. the MixPre II with only 32-bit, what is the performance difference there? How do the dual ADC's contribute to the overall dynamic range? 2) Additionally, in your test of the "recoverability" of the audio clips, how does the F6 perform in raising the levels in post if the sound source itself was very quiet? I assume you were speaking at the same moderate volume in all the samples. Based on my understanding of 32-bit recording (which is admittedly limited), the recorder basically redivides the relative difference in amplitude for a sound wave at the given fader setting, which is what allows you to bring up the volume in post without introducing much extra noise. But what if you already had the fader set at +60 dB, and still had to bring it up a lot in post? I'm probably really misunderstanding 32-bit, but I was just wondering if you could clarify that a bit. 3) Is there a practical reason why the ability to set the gain on the MixPre II would be preferable to the unity gain on the F6, assuming you were using 32-bit recording since doing so would presumably result in no difference in ability to record clean audio? Obviously, being able to set the gain in 24-bit would be a big advantage. 4) Given the inability to set the gain on the F6, how does it perform in 24-bit mode in terms of raising the noise floor at high fader levels? Or having inadvertently set the faders too low, how much does raising it in post raise the noise floor? Again, thank you so much for this review! You've got a lot of amazing content!

[@curtisjudd]

Hi John: 1) The MixPre II also has multiple ADCs. They don't say exactly how many, but their patent cites 3 ADCs and the process for how they re-combine the output of each to record to 32-bit float. The difference seems to be that on the MixPre, they allowed you the freedom to set the gain, which I suspect has to do with the presumed 3 ADCs. 2) That will depends largely on the microphone, is my guess. Will require more tests. 3) Yes, microphones are generally designed/voiced with the assumption that some amount of gain will be applied post mic preamp. You might not get the optimal performance of some microphones on the F6 given this. I didn't find any obvious examples in my testing so far, so this is only theoretical. 4) In 24-bit and 16 bit modes, you can adjust the gain/trim so in those cases, it performs just like a Zoom F8n, which is to say, very well in terms of noise performance.

[@EnforcerMan]

Awesome review man. This device is certainly an overkill for me but my wife just surprised me with the Zoom F6 and NTG5 mic for my birthday ... little over the top for my start up KZbin channel ...lol I am learning a lot from you about audio. Thank you

[@curtisjudd]

Great combo! Audio gear: check!

[@swetrich]

Thank you for this! So damn helpful. I super appreciate all the time and effort you put into videos like this. Aside from some of the headphone monitoring differences, this fits my needs so much better than any other device as I do a lot of solo or run and gun type work with occasional short films and web series where I'm doing everything. Also for corporate or wedding events when I need to plug in and leave it, this just makes sense.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks swetrich!

[@jwoolson]

@Curtis Judd: Thank you for all your excellent work. Your gear reviews are all fantastic - clear, in-depth, and incredibly helpful.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Jonathan!

[@newsbatavian]

I like that you take into consideration the needs of the solo shooter.

[@curtisjudd]

👍

[@paultryba7228]

Another wonderful video from you. Love your channel and wish the whole youtube world was as well done.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Paul!

[@jsebastianst]

This pretty much answered all my questions about the F6, thanks for the great video!

[@curtisjudd]

You’re welcome! 👍

[@chungdha]

I like MixPre lighting each knob to show which one is clipping without needing to check the screen and which number of channel. But seen setup of MixPre 6 up close the biggest issue was powering it. The L Mount adapter was too odd use in sound bag and we had issue that the metal tabs not connect well and slight movement would disconnect, we had to use large powerbank at the end to power it with being afraid with the flimsy small usb type c could break over time. Zoom F6 with L-mount for me would be a better solution as have many f970 batteries on set to power it for a long time.

[@curtisjudd]

Sounds like you got a defective battery sled on the MixPre. They should replace it for you. Did you contact SD support?

[@chungdha]

@@curtisjudd we just gave it back to the shop

[@curtisjudd]

@@chungdha Good luck with the F6, then. I hope it works well for you.

[@wezlam]

Amazing as always. Loving the new intro too.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Wesley!

[@EVOlutionHTC4g]

Excellent review as always, Curtis 👍

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Johnny!

[@Mormu624]

2:07 I am conditioned to laugh due to the over abundance off insanely bass boosted memes. Awesome review, I've been binge watching so many of your field recording related videos and I am still undecided between this or the Mix Pre 3, especially given the fact that I can get an Orca bag plus SD card bundle on the Zoom, still less than what the Mix pre 3 ii by itself costs. Very difficult. Thanks for the great insights!

[@curtisjudd]

😅 It sounds like you may have some solid reasoning on a direction.

[@johnhmaw]

Wonderful. I want one. Very comprehensive review as always. Many thanks.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks John.

[@giuseppepisano7398]

I think you really hit the spot when you said that in an ideal world there would be a Zoom f8n with the 32bit dual recording technology. I think I'd definitely buy an f6 if it was slightly bigger and offer an hirose power input and a proper headphone amp, as well as a real stereo out.

[@curtisjudd]

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[@SatanicJamnic]

LOL! I literally one minute ago was watching Frank Howard's video and was thinking "I am curious when Curtis will drop his video for this week". And here it is!

[@curtisjudd]

👍 thanks for the rad thumbnail!

[@RonaldSuper7]

Great great work.... This is as comprehensive a review you can get. I agree on your assessment and would get both if I could afford it.....

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Ronald!

[@Kit2Canada]

Superb and nicely balanced between pros and cons. Thank you

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Kit!

[@waldemarschneider5469]

There is one more advantage to have 32bit which I personally love. You do not have to get your talent talk to set the meters! Skipping this step makes the work (especially when you are a one man band) so much smoother and more comfortable for the talent. I am thinking of buying it only because of this, and the handy battery jack on the back ;)

[@curtisjudd]

Good point, though you’ll still want to set the level so you can hear to monitor the shoot.

[@sorryaboutnico]

Thank you for mentioning the auto-mix feature. Definitely something for me to look into.

[@curtisjudd]

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[@FabioPansera]

Hi Curtis, thank you for your precious work on the platform. I have a brand new Sennheiser 416, which I'd couple with the G3 Lav Sennheiser. I'm just starting out in the audio world, and I'm not an expert by any means. I frequently hear the argument “For the price of the Zoom F6, at that point might as well wait a bit longer and get a Sound Devices MixPre 3 II”. Now, money is tight, but I would spend the extra if you tell me the difference in the noise level is noticeable with an MKH 416 once you start to crank it up. I would mostly record in 32-bit float. I can't help but mention that I have a person who wants to sell me a Zoom F6 used once, plus a Zoom bag, plus 2 NPF batteries (8500mah) for roughly the equivalent of 500 USD. The Sound Devices MixPre 3 II would cost me the equivalent of 1120 USD. I really don't know what to do. The number of accessories and the low price pull me towards the used Zoom F6... but will I give up a lot in terms of noise? The difference in functions is not really on the table here, since with my workflow, I would use both in the same way, so the differences highlighted wouldn't probably be a Pro or a Con in my specific case. Again, thank you! Looking forward to reading what you think about this!

[@curtisjudd]

In terms of self noise, no, I haven't found the MixPre to a be much different - they're both very clean. There are other reasons I prefer the MixPre, mostly ergonomic, but you can make great sound with the F6. The most important thing will be to learn it inside and out. You'll make great sound. If you need any help learning the F6, we have a course over at school.learnlightandsound.com.

[@FabioPansera]

@@curtisjudd thank you, I’ll check out your course

[@declicked]

Awesome video! Was planning on getting one soon, and this has convinced me!

[@curtisjudd]

I hope it works well for you! Happy recording!

[@albertofelicettii426]

32-bit float works perfectly. Thanks Curtis

[@curtisjudd]

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[@Dracomies]

This is insane. This is a whole world of insane. If I'm hearing this correctly there is no longer any need to do any gainstaging or to bother with compression or to buy another preamp. This one unit does it all. This is almost equivalent to getting raw for photos or using Illustrator with vector images. Basically no matter how large or small you make it, it's perfect audio quality. Gone are the days of preamp noise and hiss. Gone are the days of clipping audio.

[@curtisjudd]

In most cases, yes. Note that if you use wireless microphones, the wireless system and lavalier mic will be the dynamic range bottleneck. The dynamic range demo was with a high quality shotgun microphone connected via XLR cable. But, yes, in this scenario, this is a huge change! And a welcome one!

[@Dracomies]

@@curtisjudd This is awesome! I bought this a few hours ago. It's coming in the mail tomorrow. I feel like this is godsend for voiceover people.

[@curtisjudd]

@@Dracomies Excellent - congratulations and I hope it works well for you!

[@musasm]

Hey Curtis. Great review.. What is the device that you used at 6:43? Good luck on your channel..

[@curtisjudd]

That’s a DI box. It converts unbalanced signals, such as from instruments, to balanced so you can run longer cables.

[@pederjelsbak8361]

Thank you for your fantastic reviews 👍

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Peder!

[@ChannelWright]

Another great review! Thanks Curtis!

[@curtisjudd]

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[@roryonabike5863]

Curtis Judd surely knows this, but others may not. Sound Devices puts its headphone volume control on the side because that knob is also used to set menu values, including gain. It’s the same on my Sound Devices 702T, a recorder that sold for four times the price of a MixPre-3. The whole point is that, unlike with the faders, one can’t accidentally change isolated track values (a good reason to NOT override the factory default on a MixPre recorder and use the faders to control isolated track gain). The assumption is that one is either using no bag, a bag large enough that there is enough clearance to get your hand in (are you also using right angle XLR connectors, because, if you aren’t, clearance shouldn’t be an issue), or a bag that has side access for one’s hand. For purpose-built sound bags, side access is the norm. In any event, I don’t know why someone would be messing around with headphone volume in the middle of recording in the first place :)

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Rory . Do you have any recommendations on bags with side access for the MixPre-10?

[@roryonabike5863]

Curtis Judd Hi Curtis. I purchased a bag, made by Gunther Kortwich, for a Sound Devices 702T that I also use for a MixPre-3. Mr. Kortwich died in 2015. His company, filmtontechnik, is active but apparently has stopped making sound recording bags. When I made my purchase, Gotham Sound, where I purchased the bag, was one of the few Kortwich dealers in the U.S. I tried out bags made by Petrol (now produced by Sachtler), K-TEK and Orca as well as Kortwich. It took less than a minute to choose the Kortwich. If you can find one second-hand that fits, go for it. However, most of the time I use both the 702T and the MixPre-3 without a bag. I still use the 702T over the MixPre if its weight and bulk aren’t an issue, or if I’m going to a place where I want a recorder that is built like a tank. It’s still a brilliant recorder.

[@curtisjudd]

@@roryonabike5863 Thanks Rory. Unfortunate that filmtontechnik stopped making the sound bags. I used the 744T for a project several years back. Built like a tank, indeed!

[@cccid]

very nicely done video. apprecaite the time code and the work. keep it up!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Clement!

[@tomdchi12]

Nice to have two solid options to chose between! In both cases, the high dynamic range recording (dual A/D converter ant 32 bit float format) creates a massive test of the quality of the preamp, and both are producing amazing results at either extreme. I've been holding off on replacing my H4N, but I'm leaning towards the MixPre 3 II, though I'll have to chew on this a bit more. Some of the features of the F6 are hard to pass up...

[@curtisjudd]

Agreed. Zoom and SD aren’t making this a simple decision.

[@AlBergstein]

Once again great job Curtis. The new zoom product seems like another leap forward for them. Great to see

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Al!

[@PeterPiklMusic]

Thats really a fantastic review/comparison. Literally all I could wish for to make a decision. Thank you very much! 🙏

[@curtisjudd]

You're most welcome, Peter. Best wishes!

[@MyJeanf]

Excellent video Curtis . The zoom f6 was on my list but ended being a little bit out of my budget. However, in the end I purchased the Zoom F4 as it was on a special deal. I Also purchased you F4 course which helped me get up and running with way better audio this previously recorded with my tascam recorder. . Enjoyed the video. JF

[@curtisjudd]

Glad the F4 is working out for you! Happy recording!

[@YourStoryStudios]

We've got the MixPre 3 II connected to an EVA1 for video work, but need a permanent solution in our new podcast studio. The F6 looks good, having more inputs at a cost effective price! Thanks for doing the comparison. Very helpful!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks. I'll be curious to hear how you like the F6 relative to the MixPre.

[@JustVoss]

Great video, Would love if you did a review of the Zoom LiveTrak L-12.

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Justin, thanks. At this point I’ll probably look at the L8 which appears to be aimed more at podcasting. The L-12 appears to be aimed more at recording bands.

[@JustVoss]

@@curtisjudd I didn't even know that was a thing but that looks like a better option for me also!

[@johnnytrayes4734]

Brilliant review thanks so much Curtis

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Johnny!

[@PhillipArthurSimmons]

Are you kidding me? That audio recovery is almost magic!

[@curtisjudd]

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[@EVOlutionHTC4g]

I know this is an older video, but I still find a lot of value on watching them. My question to Curtis is, it's now March 2023. Given the price difference between the Zoom F6 and the Sound Device Mix-Pre 3 II is $150, what do you consider to be the better option and why?

[@curtisjudd]

It comes down to how many inputs you need and your preferences. I’m my case, I’d choose the MixPre-3 II which is what I use to record most of my KZbin videos. Ergonomically it works better for me and I prefer the sound of the MixPre preamps. I also like that I can just pull the USB thumb drive out of the side to get the files without having to remove a battery to get to the SD card. I also find the MixPre menus much more intuitive and quicker to navigate.

[@user-jw4fn6fh2x]

Wow, I'm impressed with that wide dynamic range adjustment capability. I would buy it just for that. Wish I had this unit years ago.

[@curtisjudd]

Pretty cool - a substantial step forward for audio recording.

[@alisaljic]

Awesome review Curtis. Thanx.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Alis!

[@SlowDescentToWild]

Great video - is the F6 overkill if I just want to do audio field recordings? I don’t feel like I need 6 inputs for that. I currently use the H2n but would like better quality.

[@curtisjudd]

I guess it depends on your goals. If you plan to do any ambisonic recording, you'll need 4 inputs and a recorder which supports ambisonics formats. The F6 does that nicely. If you just want stereo recordings and need the recorder to be small, I'd just stick with the H2n because you wouldn't find a huge increase in quality with the other handy recorders with built-in microphones which I've tried.

[@SlowDescentToWild]

@@curtisjudd thank you very much :)

[@AudioBoi1]

wow, legendary review and comparison thank you

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Andrew!

[@deneme56]

Excellent video. Thank you Curtis.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks for watching.

[@andreb.1378]

Hi Curtis! I'm loving your KZbin channel and it's much appreciated. Can you make a video showing the differences between Zoom F6 and F8 for someone that is using it for filmmaking? Thanks

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks André. The biggest difference is that the F6 appears to be intended as a specialty recorder for bag drops in cars when there isn't room for you in the car and similar situations. The F8n is made for pretty much every other film production situation.

[@andreb.1378]

@@curtisjudd keep up! Cheers from Portugal.

[@andreb.1378]

And thank you very much!

[@LiziASMR]

I wonder how is the self-noise when - 60db recovery? Thanks for the great review 🙏

[@curtisjudd]

Surprisingly good, though it depends on the microphone's self-noise characteristics.

[@LiziASMR]

@@curtisjudd thanks a lot for the quick reply! I am about to buy one ☺️🙏

[@wcsdiaries]

@@curtisjudd Between this and the mix pre 3, which do you think is the smaller setup for weddings/run and gun filmmakers?

[@curtisjudd]

@@wcsdiaries about the same volume, different shapes. Nice that the F6 can take Sony batteries on the back, probably keeping the whole thing smaller for longer shoots.

[@stevenluckybenson3468]

+Curtis Judd Thank you...excellent overview and comparison. Well done as always!

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks Steven!

[@AwesomeShotStudios]

Another top-quality review, Curtis. Kudos...and thanks for putting this together. As a one-man-band, I love the idea of 32bit float, it's nearly magical in forgiveness. My workaround has always been to record audio to two channels, with one being set down -6dB as a safety. For 99% of my talking head work, it's been a good workaround. The gear-hound in me really wants to get this, but I can't yet justify it. Thanks again for giving us your opinion and comparisons.

[@curtisjudd]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@nike12000haha]

Wow that 32bit float was wild!

[@curtisjudd]

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[@DavidBerglund]

Unusual question in the context of field recorders perhaps but can you playback and listen to previously recorded channels when recording?

[@TylerDarlington]

Curtis thank you for for your awesome videos!! At 5:19 there seems to be distortion on both sound devices units when you say “NTG” on the Mix Pre 3 II and “into” on the 888. Seemingly in the 109hz area with anything with the letter “N” in it. Is this distortion because of the added gain in post processing or due to the nature of the preamps in the Sound Devices units?

[@curtisjudd]

I'm not sure, will look into it.

[@curtisjudd]

Curious - could you describe what you're hearing in those samples? The NTG3 microphone is sort of boomy so it definitely has a bit of that boomy sound, but I'm not sure I'm hearing distortion. The 888 and MixPre both tend to have a warmer low end so perhaps that's what contributes to a boomier sound with the NTG3. Also, out of curiosity, what did you monitor with as that can also be a factor?

[@ScottHiddelston]

@@curtisjudd The second I heard the comparison at 5:00 I noticed the "muddiness" of the MixPre. Until now I had my pennies saved for the MixPre. Not so sure now....

[@RecordProduction]

@@ScottHiddelston Funny enough, at my end I preferred the slightly 'fuller' sound of the Mix Pre but not by a huge amount.

[@LaRobertos]

just about to start using it on our channel this week for in studio recording and work our way out to the field after we get to know and learn it

[@curtisjudd]

Congrats! I hope it works well for you!

[@LaRobertos]

Curtis Judd your my audio hero

[@farwestgarohills3831]

Everything is fine for me. Only thing, I am not able to use my Pro Recording Headphone on Zoom F6. That's an dis advantage. But I am not worried about headphone. Without a headphone also I recorded; no problem. In all Zoom recorder, just see the light meters are at optimum level; and you can leave it alone and continue recording without headphone. When you play, you will hear the sounds are perfect. This is one goodness of Zoom recorders.

[@curtisjudd]

I still recommend using headphones so that you know if there are other problems like lavalier microphones picking up clothing rustle or too many plosives.

[@Chicocento]

Hi dear Curtis, first of all tkx 4 the excellent review. do you know if I can use it with a Shure SM7B w/o a Cloudlifter? Cheers.

[@curtisjudd]

Hi Xiko, Thanks. Yes, the Zoom F6 has enough gain to support the Shure SM7B without a cloud lifter. Best wishes!

[@Chicocento]

@@curtisjudd Man, u r fast. Keep on the fantastic work and help u r providing us.