ROSTERMANIA IS BACK! | SEATTLE BENCH ILLEY? | THE FLANK

[@TheWicious]

The back and forth about Shottzy felt like a real debate. Props to ZooMaa for asking the question and the hosts for not holding back!! This is why I watch The Flank

[@bila5319]

When they’re passionate about a topic it’s the fun episodes. The shotzzy segment had me rolling, but there were many valid points. A lot of strong personalities clashing; that’s good business

[@mafiamike02]

Seattle getting rid of illey is definitely not game related. Dude was winning them series with his SnD performance

[@mirxcles1914]

Bro arcities is the problem

[@Cali707bear]

​@@mirxcles1914he is but at least arcitys is off a bean and meth at a event

[@buckshot5896]

Illey damn near overdosed at the event, he deserves to be dropped. He could have smoked all the weed he wanted, but he’s killing himself with the crap he’s on now. He has no integrity

[@jetz237]

@@mirxcles1914we know 🥸

[@connorlynch428]

​@@buckshot5896 you quite literally know nothing of that is factual to be saying the kid has no integrity, wind your neck in

[@Drrewsterr]

I haven't watched yet, but they must know or believe illey was on something, He was putting in work on that team... CRAZZYYY

[@nickandrews2255]

Especially like he popped off search didn’t he go like 13 and 2 or something a couple of maps like where he was popping off plus he clutched against ant or optic a couple of rounds against them

[@chriscarter4563]

@@nickandrews2255 that doesn’t mean he’s on drugs though lmao come on. He definitely looked suspicious, but we can’t just assume shit. We don’t know the guy

[@Shhhhh30]

@@chriscarter4563he had a 1.89 highest SND KD in the entire tourney, also was jittery, stuttering & unable to make eye contact. He was a diff typa focused in game too, look at his eyes during some of those matches.

[@1jaedan]

@@chriscarter4563wake up

[@nickandrews2255]

@@chriscarter4563 Oh I didnt see how the guy I replied to said this. I did not think he was on drugs I just thought thats how illey acts he tries to act like he is like ultra locked in. I did not think he was on drugs at all I was just surprised they dropped him because Like I was saying I thought he was the best performer on his team with search especially against optic I saw it he has that drive especially as the underdog which is what I feel like he thrives with Cheers ALL THE BEST CHEERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[@ismaelsierra9946]

Man I was not expecting this. Best of luck to everyone.

[@duke902]

I'm trying to get better in ranked, what gaming chair and prescription medication would get my kd up?

[@k45207]

Almost spit out my drink reading this 😂

[@k45207]

@@p2_pt I thought that was GA’d? Or was it just lumbar support attachments

[@felge1]

just take everything you get. the season is short and you want to be good now. whatever it takes bro. every fan loved illleys interview and you could be the next guy. sky is the limit.

[@1stKills]

Limitless pill

[@felge1]

@Frasernaughtonpt this cocktail won’t get you in the cdl bro

[@blakeleonard3990]

Bro yall gotta address the adderall situation cause the fact that he’s actually been benched for it is crazy. We don’t know if it’s true or not but we have to address the allegations

[@blakeleonard3990]

That whole John was crazy no one even said anything he just disappeared from the league

[@joezy3982]

him getting benched while being their best player pretty much confirms it tho

[@b1g_j3rm]

You just can’t accuse someone without any facts or evidence.

[@whydouneedakno]

He wasnt on addy, he was on something else tho... Addy doesnt make you act like that

[@k45207]

@@whydouneedakno your taking the wrong addys. Are you suggesting your on meth.

[@oxzuelito6248]

W FLANK, thanks for the quick and consistent episodes!

[@k45207]

Octane getting on the show was such a good move, a man of reason, these 3 dudes just went on a 15 min tangent talking about Florida, I dunno if zoomaa was solitaire or something on pc but he was like completely checked

[@devinjohnson5759]

Sam doesn't care for any of the bs and I love him for it lol.

[@jetz237]

This has copy pasta potential

[@k45207]

@@jetz237 what? Lol

[@k45207]

@@devinjohnson5759 I know right!? It always goes for unique take also

[@devinjohnson5759]

@@k45207 Sam is probably the only retired pro who’s very analytical, well spoken, and funny. It’s honestly a great time watching him break everything down

[@magnumdongsen2141]

wishing nothing but the best for my boy illey. hope his health is okay. feels like he has struggled to find his identity in the cdl. hope he can recover his career soon ❤

[@megadeth6756]

Awwwwww your poor pilley 😢🤣🤣

[@mirxcles1914]

@@megadeth6756bruh

[@dougcensormartin3813]

He’s not your boy

[@magnumdongsen2141]

@@dougcensormartin3813 sick dude thanks for the input

[@errwhaaaaaa]

He will be OK he has a ring already

[@jDawgGoBlue]

LMFAO the intro had me dying

[@chriscarter4563]

Los Boolin is the goat for not locking these players down in contracts so he can profit. Mans just doing it for the league, it’s beautiful to see.

[@marcelcueva7777]

Los boolin is dope but cmon man even if he wanted to keep the faze black team together there was nothing he can do about it. He’s one man. Lol

[@activeirving]

@@marcelcueva7777I think he means like RFA where teams would have to pay a buyout for the FB players

[@carterrrsan5614]

The visual of Pat walking into Apathy's room to talk strategy or something and he swings his chair around to see him in Kobe 10's is fkn hilarious. I can imagine Pat walked right out for a bogie LMAOOO

[@The_DeeeJ46]

If Surge does drop illey for whatever they claim the reason to be (we all know the truth) I have to agree with Pat for once Illey to Vegas would be a disgusting and probably be the 5th best team in the league after this new update and making the Rival more usable with the sub duo they have! They play LAG, MIA, TOR, BOS, LAT, SEA, and CAR, they if they managed to pick up Illey they have 4 to 5 potential wins in this split! I could see them beating LAG, MIA, LAT, SEA and possibly BOS if somehow they could pick up Illey

[@luistabares7830]

Favorite Cod show out there! Love the yaps Zoomaa ❤❤❤

[@nicolas2146]

I don’t know how somehow every year Alec somehow stays on a roster the whole year when he hasn’t done anything individually I can’t remember the last time he has done something crazy to win a match or something like that. In my opinion he has been riding that CW Atlanta Faze gas for the past three years and every team he has been on has nothing to show for it.

[@eddyylfc5447]

Bro his vibes are S tier you gotta be joking right?

[@Bileygr20]

@@eddyylfc5447fuck his vibes hes bottom of the league. And he hasn’t even helped clear comms on that squad. At least someone like Lamar makes a noticeable difference

[@valkilmerstoe4104]

maybe a faded take, but what about prestinni for illey. might help alec being back next to his bro, another world champ player with pop off potential?

[@atcbones8859]

Bro Pat is killing this thing... He doesn't even believe what he's saying... He's literally just gaslighting the entire stream.

[@huskerdee1431]

I agree I used to like Pat being an Optic hater myself, but lately I’ve been noticing he shits on any type of civil debate. He’s honestly killing the show for me as well.

[@SpiceX_x]

Then Sam hopes in on the gaslighting trend. It’s irritating too see/hear for sure

[@rjhale5564]

I like Tom standing up for ant cuz he knows that being a sub you gotta have big nuts at times and do some crazy shit

[@SpyBot-dt2lt]

Carolina not on C?? They made a Roster change and made Atlanta go the distance online and played pretty damn good on Lan, they were working there way up on the bracket. Man! put em on C. At least bottom C for sure, yeah there s&D needs work but I'm feeling C. I mean cmon! They literally lost against surge on Lan by 3 POINTS playing against someone who was most likely on substance or completely cracked out on an unhealthy amount of coffee, and would've went up another bracket. If your gonna put em in D than at least Top d+. Isn't lan where it's at anyways?

[@sugarfree_redbull]

Octane Masterclass

[@k45207]

3:13 what sort of psychopath plays in jeans, I feel you on the shoes tho I wear moccasins so like house slippers

[@keene5]

I thought u meant like native moccasins I was finna be like wtf that’s crazy 🤣

[@Crow5537]

At times it feels like this show would be better off not talking about OpTic, the takes are so ridiculous even Zoomaa had enough of it this time, I get trying to get extra impressions and views

[@Callum_04]

I think optic fans just don’t like criticism, they’ve been average for years now and with the money each player is on I think the criticism is completely warranted. Aches is a well known optic hater, but I don’t think anything they said about optic was outrageously wrong, it’s just their opinions and as previous cod players I’d bet they’re more qualified to share their opinions on cod teams than anyone else.

[@Crow5537]

@@Callum_04 no criticism is fine but when the host is just calling out the takes maybe you should think it’s not just about it being someones favorite team

[@Crow5537]

@@Callum_04 wasn’t just Aches this time around like I said Zoomaa himself stopped the bad takes

[@SacredDiety]

@@Crow5537It’s not bad takes lol and just because Zoomaa doesn’t fully agree doesn’t mean that what’s being said is wrong, it’s called a debate. OpTic is my favorite team and I agree with Aches. The way Shotzzy plays is pissing me off and something has to change

[@lambodrew4210]

I think if optic can Mimic the dynasty's roles they would be so much better: Dashy = formal Kenny = crimsix Shotzzy = Karma Pred = scump Shotzzy would do so well in that karma-esque OBJ role

[@ptrckkkkkkkkk]

When zooma was talking about censor balancing so many things like cod, pull ups etc. I really thought he was gonna bring up jetskiing

[@Odd1x]

Loved the debates in this one

[@mmorphy4258]

59:24 idk why but this part is really wholesome to me and i kept laughing

[@Jackwill2349]

What’s so funny about this show is it some of the best all time and they are still glued to the box score and stats only… I swear Pat only watches games on Sunday and Ben doesn’t know what he is looking at ever

[@k45207]

Oh man I been waiting for this since I saw they cut everyone’s throats the day after the major. Fucking crazy shit

[@Justb99xbox]

1:40:05 thank God Tommy said this. This is the main point. Not one player needs to change. They need to learn to work as a team in search. If they do that this is a top team

[@VicRoseUp]

Finally calling out the Shotzzy haters. Thanks Tom!

[@CeIurit]

Arcitys built like a planet 🌎

[@TissueMe]

Illey dropped and keeping arcitys with a .07

[@b3to653]

Surge is so lost 😂😂

[@samuelcolby7786]

Illey is abusing drugs, that interview was an embarrassment to the organization

[@bradleydavies335]

Love this rumor with no justification keep it up brother man

[@samuelcolby7786]

@@bradleydavies335 you’ve obviously never been around people on drugs, good for you man. I hope your life stays that easy forever

[@bradleydavies335]

@@samuelcolby7786 find new friends and family sorry you had to go through that continue the hate tho 😍

[@TwistedTyler8]

pat spitting straight fire at the beginning , its literally something we always complain about. The fact that its basically always a setup coming out of challengers because your always in a crap situation. Its literally always a talking point. Now only former pros are getting back into the league at the peak time of changes. The exclusivity of this dying league is crazy.

[@huskerdee1431]

No he’s not 😂every player picked up so far was picked up because they’ve shown signs of life in the league last year on shit teams. Pat just likes to gaslight everything and will double down on his fugaze takes 😂😂

[@PlebsPerspective]

I commented on RABs video a few days ago when when he mentioned it that it doesn’t look good for surge and they should bench him. What’s crazy is I’ve got ADHD and I take a high dosage of Ritalin (60mg) and it does the total opposite to me 😂

[@jman4156]

1:28:50 casually cooking people in twitch chat has me rolling 😂

[@BeefyCats]

Can you guys do a Flank ranked video? You four playing and Ben commentating?

[@Palestiino]

ILLEY isn’t Seattle’s problem, they need to drop Arcitys

[@metgiantfan31]

Shotzzy has so much talent that he can make incredible plays and everytime he tries to do it. He's making plays that are required 10% of the time 90% of the time. He's just making things harder on himself and his teammates

[@nikwood6824]

I agree with the tier list, however I could see an argument for OpTic in A, below FaZe since OpTic has not matched up against Ultra. Ultra looked unbeatable at the event but for all we know, OpTic may have been a better match up against Ultra.

[@jad3dragon522]

Did Chris do a line at 32:12

[@itssPuffy]

😭😭

[@punian]

I agree with Pats take on Bruce, Shotzzy needs to slow down and Bruce needs to speed up, imo if Optic played more around Bruce for a more consistent play style.

[@Quintin15]

The problem is they aren’t playing around Bruce now…… Bruce don’t need to do anything. Everyone just needs to play slower

[@Yumadlol]

This is dashy’s game higher ttk ar based game but we had bruce back then drop damage with 40 kills and still lose

[@devinjohnson5759]

How does Ben not understand that the people who is talking about who make profit workin in esports are the exception right now. The average person is not going to be making a good amount of money working full time in the esports industry. The scene is very day to day. Short contract periods for manpower makes way more sense long term.

[@dentdon19]

This show makes the CDL so much more enjoyable. Thats coming from an optic guy who doesn’t even watch scumps show lol

[@BidetEnthusiast]

These guys are more entertaining and insightful imo with the watch parties too

[@dentdon19]

@@BidetEnthusiast for me it’s simple I tbink. The flank crew is very real and authentic. For me scump and the boys seem a little more worried about the production, profits, and it’s just so much more laid back in general. They don’t ever seem to have the same passion

[@MarioSanchez-yz8yd]

@@dentdon19yea and they never hold optic accountable when they lose lol

[@dentdon19]

@@MarioSanchez-yz8yd I kinda agree. Most of this time they just say “unlucky”

[@ParadoxQJ]

I for sure worked a full schedule although I understand the points made

[@jackprot351]

iLLey definitely better than poopoo Arcitys. If they don’t bring in Pilley for Arcitys then this benching is definitely because of that wacked out interview on stage 😂

[@thannydevitos2332]

Pilley is wild 😂

[@alithegreat7728]

Artitis sucks

[@DariusSkyNet]

Bro is tweaking in game. Do you see his eyes?

[@bayy1ee]

if Vista IS good, and it’s coming out next week they should definitely try it so then Terminal and Invasion would be replaced

[@dillyboyq]

I agree with Aches not with about how he thinks about Dashy but with how he thinks Shotzzy is the one who needs to be adjusting more to help the team win. Bruce has done his job, he 180d his playstyle and is playing the game the right way while still frying and Ant has just been playing the same over heat typa gameplay. If Ant starts calming down and making the right plays a big majority of the time they will be miles better, which would be scary.

[@ryanbryce3259]

Thanks for your analysis man

[@PreacH0921]

I need to take Ben Golfing when it gets warmer. I live in Columbus and work at the airport

[@rogershultz1284]

I think Sam was having Bocage flashbacks when talking about getting maps out of the rotation

[@Mike-ro8oh]

NYSL get top 12 and Faze get world stared by Ultra but all the chat is about OpTic .. these guys man

[@royalcoorz9039]

Lmaooo Tom really acting like he doesn’t know why illey is getting benched??

[@restrictraze51]

W tier list and I’m dye hard optic fan

[@AlwayzzLate]

Pred was brought into Seattle who was a terrible team before that squad was built in vanguard. He fried and got onto a top 4 squad. Your best bet is to join a team in the new year and get a squad around you that can help you shine.

[@LarryFisherman1987]

Aches is pretty spot on with his opinion on Optic. The last time Shotzzy had consistent success was when he was on Empire, playing under/listening to Crim and Clay. He has said multiple times that Crim is the worst teammate he's had, due to the fact that he was always yelling and telling him how to play. Although he might not have been happy, it led to a ring. Now, on Optic, Shotzzy kind of has been given the keys to do what he wants on the map, and his teammates just play around him. Dashy being the most obvious example of this, just watch his play from before and after Optic Texas was created. With the pickups of Kenny and Pred this team will be very competitive, but I don't see them winning a major with Faze and Ultra's playing so consistent.

[@KB_NA]

I shouldve started watching this a while ago , i like how yall debate these things and not just agree on everything

[@colinboehling9903]

ALL PROS : "compound was solid" BEN: "YeA CoMpOuNd WaS SoLiD"

[@CPalacios]

“The league will be dead”😂😂😂

[@ox5016]

Sam and Pat the only ones who understand how tiers work 😂

[@ImPurrry]

I forgot about the “yo yo yo” coms from the Surge. That is straight fucking comedy 😂. Also Alec may be calling out the most, but brother is not shooting back while he’s yapping. 3 years without the FaZe trio is starting to show. If iLLeY is dropped for medication related reasons (Which are similar to Huke’s own past may I add) , Alec needs to prove his worth or ride off into the sunset with his two Rings to retirement.

[@Deezysamaa]

That Empire hoodie on Gursh. I NEED THAT.

[@ItsCoopBTW]

51:00 attach illey standy nero might actually be godly at search

[@jefffifer9709]

Also, when ya'll say Pat is dumb, listen to his knowledge and insight on Esports industry and other serious topics, he knows what he's talking about. W Patty

[@nickandrews2255]

Its like they are not horrible players it’s like they just need to be dispersed more o feel like so they could play their original slayout rolls cheers

[@CropDH]

One of the few times I actually agree with Aches

[@1emnL]

is hagrid using a webcam mic??

[@jd4193]

Letting parasite paraphrase after every point might be the most faded strat

[@burr6303]

Ben spent 60% of this episode talking and I don’t think he had a single agreeable take.

[@ap32thrillz96]

I don’t dislike Aches, but when he’s getting 2v1’d or 3v1’d he’s gotta learn to just throw in the towel. Once both sides get their point in move on and the viewers will make their decision based on what each side said. LMAO

[@SacredDiety]

This was a great conversation and one that needed to be had. I’m glad everyone said everything they wanted to say

[@lesss4067]

Hes an egotistical nerd. What do you expect

[@chriscarter4563]

This is the best team asims been on since ny in CW. I’m so excited for him, I really hope they pull it off. I loved cap, and talent wise his ceiling is definitely higher or just as high as asim, but asims a much better fit.

[@dawsonseverin9579]

Would love to see Pat, Chris, Sam, and Tom run a challengers event

[@610vlogs]

Aches always head glitching his mic 😅

[@chiefrugby134]

Ben’s point of esports being full time “Hecz works 7 days a week so therefore every position in esports is full time” lmao

[@chriscarter4563]

We saw kremp and snoopy at champs, they definitely had the same issue as cap and snoop.

[@iTz_FragShoT]

I'd like to see pay coach I think it be cool to watch him teach a team seriously though.

[@west744]

Good tier list. Ben needs to shut up when people are talking. Let them finish what they wanna say then chime in. So many times I wanted to hear what Sam or Chris was saying and Ben starts yapping and the subject changes

[@YoBoyGio]

My tier list prediction team after Major 1 into Major 2 SSS+ Ultra, Faze --------- S Optic, NY --------- A BOS, Heretic, Legion, Raven --------- B LAG, LA --------- C Min, Surge

[@YoBoyGio]

This is more my into Major 2 prediction. I believe team will regress and some get better

[@burr6303]

Ben:”I think this easy S tier is Ultra and FaZe”. Everybody else:”No”. Lol

[@isardonic8601]

Heres my Thieves team: Beans, Afro, Kremp, and Ghosty. Beans/Ghosty are hype factors. If they win a game, Beans is getting hyped up bringing Ghosty "the shot caller" hyped. The EU duo Beans/Afro get going bringing Afro out, and Kremp is a quiet player. But who cares if hes killing everything and Beans is hyping up Kremps smg duo Afro. I would have gotten Big Boy Beans aka EU Arcitys.

[@barry101ish]

Ghosty hates that fat boy beans

[@SCORPAIN88isme]

Dashy killwhoring was only a problem when they had Formal and Scump also killwhoring and Envoy trying to hit flanks while no one was getting on the OBJ. Now that Formal and Scump are gone they had Dashy change roles which makes no sense if he's their franchise player

[@skywalk3r722]

Asim, kremp, ghosty would’ve been a nice trio

[@t.j.canese1814]

Pat just has dramatic L takes and Sam looks miserable sitting there listening to it. So much yelling this episode lmao

[@quattroCrazy]

Honestly he’s just there for instigating arguments. The shitheads love him and everyone else hates him, but he causes engagement no matter what.

[@joshuamarc8773]

no idea if they speak on it.. but not addressing the illey stuff in the last flank was suit stuff..

[@jefffifer9709]

Someone needs to do a Doug retirement career cod montage.

[@Jockuptown]

ben straight up had an argument with himself about the full time roles in esports lmao the others had no idea in the end what to say because they didnt disagree with him, but he thought they were so just went off on a pointless rambling rant hahahaha

[@burr6303]

I know I’m spamming on Ben at this point but Zoomaa literally opens the floor for a debate between Pat and Sam and Len STILL can’t keep his mouth shut and wait his turn.

[@JNoe_KS]

I agreed with everything. Vegas need to swap Purj for Brack. Gio hasn’t been in the league and could be pull a Godrx and just be a challenger star. But brack has already showed success and definitely still has potential in the league. Especially with this Vegas squad that is the dark horse of the league

[@bubbywhips]

Thought the show was over but someone brought up OpTic💀💀💀💀 meat in y’all mouth my lord

[@Lowns_300]

Pilley been using that company card to get the good stuff

[@Anth.440]

Dropping iLLeY is criminal, best player in the team. Hopefully he goes to Vegas for Purj that would be a squad 🔥

[@bentocod]

Imagine this. Illey goes through his adderall therapy under guidance from cod legend tactical rab. Call it "Rehab with Rab"

[@noahfalke9762]

Aches is everything on this show

[@Gent89]

They on ants ass for having a bad weekend but doesn’t talked about how abezy didn’t have a good weekend either. Good takes from Haggy and Sam

[@SacredDiety]

The difference is Shotzzy’s playstyle is actually holding back his teammates unlike Abezy. If Shotzzy played differently it would free up Dashy so much

[@Gent89]

@@SacredDiety if u think optics problem is HP or Control u didn’t watch a match. They beat faze in semis both HPs and losers finals they got out gunned. Optic problem is clearly SND against top snd teams. This hole need to free dashy is a hole pat pushing a bullshit narrative. No one said this the half end of last year when dashy changed his play style.

[@SacredDiety]

@@Gent89 If you think they can beat Toronto playing the way they play even if they get better in SnD then you’re on something. They can compete with FaZe in hp because FaZe have their own issues in the game mode but what happens when FaZe fix their mistakes? OpTic need to be winning, anything less than that this year is a failure and they need to be looking to improve in every way possible.

[@SacredDiety]

@@Gent89 This is also a completely different game where the AR players matter so much more. You live and die by the performance of your ARs and someone like Dashy shouldn’t be shackled because he has a teammate that doesn’t want to change his losing playstyle

[@Gent89]

@@SacredDiety well no shit not winning for any team is a failure. We don’t know how optic matches up against TOR haven’t seen it till I think match 5 or 6 of this split. Not every team matches up the same vs the same team. Different play styles affect other teams

[@joshowens330]

Talkin about a top 3 team like they aren’t close to winning. They should’ve won winners vs Faze. No one is the problem they are the only top team to make a 2 man change. I don’t see how they don’t get better and are the best HP team. Ant and OpTic will figure it out. They aren’t talking about how any NYSL player is a problem even though they got 12th but assume they’ll improve. But OpTic aren’t close to winning and won’t improve. Octane and Zoomaa are the only logical thinkers.

[@adamhachey8461]

WOOOMA

[@imTempo37]

Tbh it makes sense. Shotzzy is a great player BUT they may be better if shotzzy plays more obj trading in and out w Pred

[@BelmonteLFC]

Aches is dumb af sometimes if the team, the coaches and Dashy himself say that they want him to play the way he does why is yappin about the playstyles and shit, I agree Ant is struggling but so is abezy and other aggressive subs????

[@k45207]

Aches just trolls and he likes to argue, so he’ll just double down on whatever his take is.

[@1stbaselegend]

W tierlist, I would have OpTic A below FaZe but i definitely get why theyre below them considering the SnD is ass

[@fryboy4664]

sam might be an Optic fan boy now, hes a green waller now. Tippable

[@aaronlavapie7385]

BEN J IS ICY!