Elden Ring - Little mistakes

[@ZullietheWitch]

In earlier versions of the game text, the Misbegotten are instead called "Aberrations". Based on the fact feathers, scales, and other animalistic traits were said to have grown on human bodies in the past, either term may imply the Misbegotten are simply a branch of humans whose births were affected by the energy of the crucible.

[@colorpg152]

looks like the law of regression at work there humans are trying to turn back into dragons

[@KING_PHILLIP]

Huh funny they're called aberrations. I wont say they all share the same characteristics, but there's a unit in starcraft 2 called the aberration and I can see some similarities between it and some of the grosser looking Misbegotten.

[@mrueck834]

It's interesting that 2 other legendary armaments are gotten from defeating misbegotten. 4 are received outside of combat and 2 are from fighting modern humans. Imo they appear to be collectors, or are otherwise much more important to the God's and Demigod's than they initially are presented

[@ZullietheWitch]

@@colorpg152 The evolutionary paths in FromSoftware, regress to dragon or advance also to dragon.

[@azazelsiad3601]

Yea once I saw him with it and how he can actually use the art I immediately drew the comparison of the misbegotten and the crucible, it also explains why the Crucible knight and the misbegotten in Caelid fight together. It leans towards an unspoken kinship.

[@B10-HAZARD]

What's really surprising is that somehow the Leonine Misbegotten somehow had the stats to wield it properly

[@Danganraptor]

He was running a paladin build.

[@TwoLeftThumbs]

Considering how easy it was to beat, I’m not sure it did.

[@maximusthedude8305]

There's something of a theme in the consecrated snowfields, of beings generally considered unholy actually using miracles and thus proving they are not separated from the divine. Many of the albinurics in the area (specifically the frog faced ones) use incantations, and this Misbegotten wields a relic that could be argued to be one of the holiest weapons in the Lands Between. Kind of ironic, since most that come here are in fact seeking refuge from the Golden Order, but it just goes to show how wrong the dogma of the order can be. I'm sure Corhyn would have a fit about it all if he ever made it there.

[@beatotheelder6170]

@@maximusthedude8305 ​ I just noticed those Albinaurics the other day using the Discus of Light. I’m assuming since they’re part of the group around Ordina which is an entire town dedicated to Miquella and the Haligtree they learned it through their faith in him, especially since it’s an incantation created by Miquella. Miquella’s intentions seemed to have been to create a world where even the “unholy” are treated fairly.

[@Echo_the_half_glitch]

@@beatotheelder6170 I don't know much of the series since I've never played the games(this channel has taught me a lot) but ngl that sounds like a pretty good cause. Even those who are born of evil have the chance to build their own path.

[@SharkyTheWhiteWomanHunter]

Imagine your wife gives you a massive glowing sword and you just toss it in some random cave for some genetic abomination to have and then you go and marry yourself, Radagon was truly an icon

[@funnymaster007]

elden chad

[@davidfelipe4480]

he also reforged the sword to match his future wife, who is also his other half

[@lemon163]

Thus did the hero aspire to be complete

[@Xolcm]

Did you not find the talisman? Radagon is literally an icon.

[@atocanboi409]

Radagon was told to "go fuck himself" and took it literally

[@Jormyyy]

Well that certainly helps explain why a Crucible Knight and Leonine fight together as a duo boss. Also, it would have been neat if the Loenine in Morne Castle actually wielded the Grafted Greatsword in it's hands.

[@SwissArmyCheese]

Yeah, I never understood why that Leonine doesn't wield the Grafted Greatsword. I feel it's just one oversight, something they intended to do and maybe just forgot about, or for whatever reason it was difficult.

[@xdearlifex]

The elden ring reforged mod gives the grafted sword to that boss.

[@Shmethan]

@@SwissArmyCheese I wonder if it would have made the hitboxes harder to dodge. Since it's an early game boss maybe they didn't know how to balance that, if that was the case

[@WhchOneIsMe]

I was going to make a comment about the Leonine/Crucible Knight duo boss as soon as I saw the mention of Cruicible Knights finding a place in the Order. Seems like a minor overlook for Zullie not to mention that (though considering all the other stuff Zullie knows/uncovers it's easy to forget something, I'm sure)

[@pearperapare]

@@WhchOneIsMe They're literally shown on-screen during that part of the video.

[@Glettification]

The connection between the leonines and their weapons is something that I found really interesting and that sparked a theory for me. Marika has Hewg imprisoned with the instruction of creating a legendary weapon that is capable of killing a god. Meanwhile, 3 of the 9 legendary armaments are found in the hands of the misbegotten; the ruins greatsword, golden order greatsword, and the grafted blade. Not only this, but the Morn misbegotten are described as suddenly rising up at once and rebelling, taking the grafted blade in the process. So what if, similar to Hewg, Marika commanded the misbegotten to seek out *existing* legendary armaments for the same purpose? It's possible she could have convinced them with the promise of acceptance into the Golden Order or perhaps she specifically sought to use the misbegotten because they are shunned and seen as lowly and therefore can act outside of the view of the Order.

[@pkmccoy84]

"Shunned and seen as lowly" . . . just like how some see the Tarnished. ;)

[@British_Rogue]

An excellent theory.

[@isprobablyjobhunting]

That's...i like that.

[@agnacore]

Ooh, I love this theory. Also makes sense of the Misbegotten in Leyndell desperately praying to statues of Marika.

[@Jacinto805]

W theory

[@wisard68]

I like the idea that the sword being there is because Radagon regrets leaving Rennala. He reforged the sword from an oath of marriage to an icon of the Golden Order, and yet he threw it away. Had he been proud of what he did, reforging the sword, he would surely have kept it, so it having been discarded might mean he couldn't bear to see the reminder of his broken oath.

[@terkoiz327]

I also read the theory that during the Shattering the misbegotten just sneaked into Leyndell while their defenses were distracted and stole the sword, it makes some sense due to them being considered abominations by the golden order, so they went and take one of the most precious order's symbols

[@psychoamnesia1]

tbh a lot of people hate radagon but i don’t think he really had a choice in the matter. i mean, marika was the supreme authority, and he was a part of her. and when we see the good relationship he had with the cursed twins - malenia and miquella - he seems to be a man who loves his family. so i don’t really think it was his choice to leave rennala and his children

[@enderkahn1018]

If we're thinking about the misbegotten being something of a symbol to Marika and Radagon's "complications" and the fact they were once named "Radagon Chimera", it seems odd considering that looking them separately most common misbegotten have blonde silky hair whereas the Lionines have rough red hair. Just something I noticed.

[@Urkkahlia]

Blonde silky hair like Marika maybe (just speculating)?

[@enderkahn1018]

@@Urkkahlia Exactly

[@shnorkeythefourth4572]

I’m more inclined to think this is cut content, specifically because of the name change. The golden order as a whole despises the crucible so I don’t know why the biggest fanboy radagon would even attempt to make something associated with it. Besides the crucible crossover already happened with Godfrey taking the leftover crucible knights under his wing

[@Klayperson]

the only explanation for the red hair + feline traits is that Radagon had the sex with a neko. this is officially cannon

[@blizzardgaming7070]

It’s also interesting that they are called leonine, what red haired son of Radagon used lions and lion imagery

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

Something so cool in Radagon's design and so many of his miracles/weapons is the juxtaposition of straight lines through the circular design of the ring. It's beautifully indicative of how Radagon is trying to find the ordered connections within the ring, basically connecting the rings with straight lines. This is in sharp contrast to Marika's old Erdtree faith, which just accepts the rings for what they are, and doesn't need to find those straight lines. You can even see a progression with Radagon - first tracing a triangle within the rings, but eventually progressing to a square lattice design and eschewing the rings altogether.

[@ghosthippie8465]

So what you're saying is... Radagon was obsessed with lines? So much so that he tried to turn the ring into a triangle?

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

@@ghosthippie8465 Not so much obsessed with lines, but obsessed with comprehending some kind of causal order/pattern (the straight lines) within the rings. He's trying to map out something incomprehensible, and in the process he's either lost his sense of the bigger picture (losing the rings for the lines between) or has begun restructuring reality into something very different.

[@Xgenstudioz777]

It's also interesting that the sword he reforged into the form of Elden Ring has the red tint of primordial gold, the ancient crucible's holy essence that Marika was trying so hard to get rid of. This point also calls into question the English translation of the description, which says that Radagon hated his red hair (whereas the Japanese original says he was despaired of his own red hair, which does not necessarily indicate his hatred of them).

[@spooky6735]

The moon, too, is heavily associated with circles and cycles. The full moon is a circle (or rather a sphere), and all the moon phases are more or less revealing of the circle. The moon's orbit is also elliptical, always changing. Additionally, the moon isn't always visible; sometimes it is entirely dark, though not for the reasons Ranni's moon is dark. So both of Radagon's wives have a heavy connection with circles and cycles -- Rennala with the moon and Marika with the Elden Ring, though I can't remember exactly what cycles the Elden Ring is involved with, only that it feels like the ER is involved with cycles somehow. It feels worth mentioning that the moon cycles, unlike the Elden Ring, are actually traceable. The moon's cycles are the same every month. The moon's orbit can be tracked and is relatively consistent. I feel like Radagon's desire to draw straight lines and to understand the incomprehensible would be better satisfied by understanding the moon than by understanding the Elden Ring. The moon is ordered, though perhaps not in the strict way Radagon likes. Still, it's probably a lot more comprehensible than the Elden Ring. The moon also has definite causal reasons for its existence and behavior, if the Lands Between's moon is at all like Earth's. The moon cycles because of its relation to the sun and Earth, and the moon has definable effects on the earth (the tides). Note, this isn't about shipping, just an analysis of the difference between the moon's circles and the Elden Ring's circles.

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

@@spooky6735 Worth keeping in mind that the moon in Elden Ring doesn't necessarily follow the same patterns as it does in real life. It's not even entirely clear that the Lands Between exists on a spherical planet, and it's possible that the stars represent something closer to a firmament and the sympathetic beliefs of stoic philosophy (the actual stoic philosophy, which was a lot closer to a religion and has very little to do with what's popular these days). Not saying you're wrong or right, more just cautioning against assuming that a highly fantastical world has parallels that aren't explicitly outlined. How the Primeval Current moves some celestial bodies and not others is unclear, as is what the Primeval Current is. The moon doesn't seem to go through cycles - Elden Ring doesn't simulate them and the only acknowledgement of lunar cycles is the tenuous implications of Renalla's hat.

[@delta7115]

The cave of the forlorn is also notably filled with Miquella's lilies, making me think he has something to do with it. There are also misbegotten in the Haligtree, suggesting Miquella was sympathetic to them. Perhaps the ones in the cave are refugees from the rotting tree. The cave is in the snowfield right outside it, after all. Miquella or Malenia may have had possession of the greatsword, which I can either see Radagon regifting to them, or even Miquella having taken it for himself, since he was still a fundamentalist when he started growing the tree. He could have given it to the leonine misbegotten for protection prior to sealing himself in his cocoon, or the misbegotten could have stolen it as they fled. I'm not positive about any of this, it's just interesting that the connection seems to be there.

[@magimon91834]

Underrated comment

[@draxyboy]

Pretty solid interpretation!

[@frazfrazfrazfraz]

This is a pretty interesting interpretation. While I don't have a great read on Radagon's personality, it does seem more likely that he would give the sword to his son rather than just throw it away, or go out of his way to give it to one misbegotten

[@delta7115]

@@frazfrazfrazfraz right, we know he had at least a somewhat amicable relationship with miquella, and even though miquella doesn't seem like the kind of guy who'd need a big sword, it could have been a symbolic gift. something to represent their shared belief in the golden order (at the time, anyway.)

[@soarel325]

Miquella's whole thing is sheltering those who Marika's Order abandoned so it'd make sense

[@RANCORDEV]

2:07 The Children of Radagon even appear to have childlike dentition, with 2 incisors, 1 canine, no premolars, and 2 molars. Note that the winged misbegotten and the leonine misbegotten have adult teeth.

[@stefanchaudhry724]

That shot of the golden order greatsword in front of Rennala is incredible, thanks for a great video

[@pedrovilar6123]

Twilight Princess music always slaps so hard. Actual perfect soundtrack, every single region's music is just the perfect mood for the area.

[@mrrd4444]

Just to note - Radagon didn't throw away Rennala's sword, he explicitly reforged it to represent the Golden Order. "Forged by King Consort Radagon to proudly symbolize the tenets of the Golden Order. One of the legendary armaments. Telltale signs betray that this was once the greatsword bequeathed to him by his first wife, Rennala." My best guess given that the Misbegotten are found throughout Leyndell and are recently rebelling, that when Radagon locked himself and Marika in the tree a Misbegotten was able to scavenge it somehow.

[@mrrd4444]

It's definitely super interesting that the Misbegotten are explicitly related to Radagon in early text. Even more interesting when you consider how many of them find sanctuary in Miquella's Haligtree, with Miquella himself being a master "scientist" of many fields. Is it possible the Misbegotten was originally meant to be Radagon's experiments that Miquella "adopted"?

[@SophiaLilithUwU]

@@mrrd4444 the misbegotten are in the hailigtree because miquella promised them baptisement and rebirth, which for a people shunned by the golden order is a huge deal because they have neither, same with the albinaurics. So yeah Miquella basically adopted them.

[@grassblock7668]

We generally overlook simpler theories because the connections the Leonine have with Radagon is pretty evident, however it very much could be that the sword was just yoinked by a Misbegotten, maybe that specific Misbegotten's connenction to Radagon allowed him to be close enough to the sword to very simply steal it (also where in the fuck would something like that be kept? Some sort of armory? Some room/s belonging to Radagon? Well more like rooms belonging to Marika considering we're in full Leyndell territory)

[@TheHonoredMadman]

This is one of my biggest mysteries.

[@josiahgoodman8875]

It's also worth noting that both the misbegotten and Radagon have an explicit connection to the "Law of Regression" in the lore. This may be signs of a further connection between them, but I'm not sure exactly what. Maybe Marika becoming Radagon and humans becoming Misbegotten are both signs of the world trying to revert to its pre-erdtree state?

[@watchfulwanderer6443]

Why would the Law of Regression be trying to revert things to before the Erdtree? The Law of Regression is a function of the Elden Ring, which is a tool of the Greater Will just like the Erdtree is. It wouldn't be trying to revert things to before the Erdtree, and it especially wouldn't try to revert to a less orderly time.

[@soarel325]

@@watchfulwanderer6443 The Elden Ring and Erdtree aren't necessarily the same thing, the Ring long predates the Erdtree

[@watchfulwanderer6443]

@@soarel325 I know, but they are both there to ensure the continual dominance of the Greater Will and its Golden Order over the Lands Between. The Elden Ring isn't going to destroy the Erdtree because they have the exact same purpose.

[@soarel325]

@@watchfulwanderer6443 The Golden Order is Marika's, not the Greater Will's. The Order as a whole is created by the Greater Will but Marika is the one responsible for this particular form of it.

[@watchfulwanderer6443]

@@soarel325 The Golden Order is the Order of Gold. Order as a whole is not the Greater Will's domain (Ranni starts an Order of the chill night, the Scarlet Rot could start an Order of Rot), just the Golden Order. The Golden Order stems from the Elden Ring, which predates Marika and was held by at least one being previously (Placidusax's god). I see no reason why an Order of Gold from a dragon wouldn't be called the Golden Order. Marika is just the goddess of the current Golden Order. Also, Marika wasn't the one who created the current Golden Order, or she wouldn't need to study it, and wouldn't turn against the Greater Will.

[@PierceArner]

I had also wondered if perhaps Radagon's Sword was an artifact that was held somewhere and taken during an uprising of the Misbegotten, similar to what occurred at Castle Mourne. Especially since we see them residing all throughout the Haligtree where Radagon's twin children live, and that Miquella's Unalloyed Gold and Rings of Light were something that reinforced a close relationship with his father, and the symbolism on the sword. The Leonine Misbegotten not only have the same lion theme as Serosh, but they also go red eyed berserk when they're injured. Those themes align to Godfrey and his Crucible Knights, but especially with Radahn which may be why there's a boss fight against both of them working together. That seemed noteworthy given that the vast battleground where Radahn wanders is directly above where Miquella's cocoon is currently being held, and even the ruins of black stone architecture appear in both locations. I'm curious if we'll get anything expanding upon that as well as Hewg's true identity and the reason he's sworn so absolutely to serve the task Queen Marika have him to craft a weapon capable of killing a god.

[@randomguy444]

That shot of Rennala floating within the sword's ring is so good.

[@H_Kingsport]

Thank you Zullie, for always putting out such great content and showing me all the things I missed when I was desperately spamming roll so I wouldn't die. The quality is always high, and it's always legitimately appreciated to learn more about such dense games.

[@apsuenbwyfer11]

When I found it in that cave, I had a look at the map, and was struck with this mental image of Radagon, freshly divorced, standing on top of a tower in Leyndell, and just fucking HURLING it as far north as he could, clean over the mountains and out of sight

[@chrisdaughen5257]

Seeing the sword with the Misbegotten made me think they were failed attempts at making Radagon, who was a homunculus made specifically to be Marika's better half with the power of the crucible. And since all the aspects of the crucible had dragon-like qualities (Wings, horn, flame breath, etc), I thought he would transform into a dragon. After all, Radagon's name is an anagram for "A Dragon".

[@watchfulwanderer6443]

The misbegotten are just what happens when humans are blessed by the Crucible. They aren't homunculi, they're just people in whom the ancient blessings to run strong.

[@hardtofindnames4648]

Red is the colour symbolising the primal, or the physical attributes, hence the shared hair colour between giants, misbegotten, and radagon and three* (not sure about Rykard tho he might be the fourth judging by the colour of the plume atop his knights' helms) of his children. And also what would drive the red haired hero to seek perfection, to be complete by learning sorcery and incantations (the attributes his other half possessed per her scarseal namely INT & FTH, and instead of searching for perfection she used her innate attributes to recruit mighty warriors in compensation for what didn't see the need to possess herself)

[@spottemgottem7694]

I am almost certain that Radagon is the physical manifestation of the Fire Giant’s curse inflicted on Marika. To free herself, she likely created another entity to house the curse, which lines up with the rest of the details we have.

[@sonwig5186]

That misbegotten was a badass. Most of them jump once but this guy would jump like 5 times in a row in quick succession before attacking.

[@thomashooper2451]

There's some cut dialogue from Turtle Pope that seems to suggest he had a questline that would end with him granting the player a special sword of some kind. Speculation abounds as to whether it was meant to be the Sword of Night and Flame or the Golden Order Greatsword. They're both oddly majestic, powerful weapons to be left in a random chest in the Carian Manor or being lugged around by a random side boss in an optional dungeon. Given that Turtle Pope likes talking about the Carian family drama, I'm in the camp that he was meant to be holding onto the Golden Order Greatsword until the player proved worthy of it. But FromSoft is known for making a lot of changes during development, so when this idea was discarded, the Golden Order Greatsword was randomly handed off to some Misbegotten in a cave.

[@Ethan_Jax1]

Something that I think is interesting is that the Leonine Misbegotten boss that you recieve the Golden Order Greatsword also wields the sword in combat, which made me think about the one in Castle Morne which drops the Grafted Blade Greatsword. Why Isn't that one wielding the weapon it drops? Maybe it's because they implemented the idea later on and forgot to add it to the Castle Morne Leonine Misbegotten?

[@SophiaLilithUwU]

the leonine just didnt have enough str to wield it yet. 🤭

[@MisterNoah]

The smaller, winged Misbegottens always remind me of Animal, the Muppets' rock drummer character

[@RednaxelaXX]

Just as a reminder, the Crucible is the name of the Erdtree before the rune of death was removed, not a pool of something. There’s nothing strange in the connection Radagon-misbegottens

[@teahousereloaded]

That’s actually a funny question. The forge of giants is a literal crucible, and something crucible shaped is portrayed in the crown of the erdtree in some of the tapestries in leyndell. We are purposely being confused here.

[@RednaxelaXX]

@@teahousereloaded Miyazaki hates us all. Item descriptions during the CNT were much more complete, but From decided it was too much informations for us poor mortals

[@paultapping9510]

ha, awesome! the leonine misbegotten being spawns of radagon has been my headcanon since finding this sword.

[@MarsHock]

I'm fascinated by this overarching notion that the Golden Order despises the natural state that the land must have been in when the Order first arrived. The crucible, the giants, all snuffed out as much as possible. But as much as they try to suppress Nature, it keeps popping back up like a weed with either these Misbegotten, or the Omen, or other forms of weird environmental storytelling throughout the game. And they seem to hate that even more! It's fun to follow along with, and I'm thankful for Zuille for these spotlight videos that help a great deal with tracking all this.

[@Richie_Godsil]

That Misbegotten was probably stoked to find such an awesome looking weapon only to find out it's ash of war sucked making the weapon completely uncompetitive 😅

[@malakarvonstroheim5372]

I remember that fight being actually hard, so the guy must have grinded his skill set to use that sword to its fullest potential

[@sirdrork8616]

I see somebody never nuked the Mountaintops Death Rite Bird with it

[@MikaMikhailMikhailovich]

@@sirdrork8616 oh shit it can nuke ONE boss incredible. Seriously just use wrath of gold at this point you'll do pure holy dmg

[@Richie_Godsil]

@@sirdrork8616 Ah, no, I have not lol I'm not really a great sword guy anyway. It looks freaking cool though

[@holyspear26]

That weapon is amazing. The r2 catches people from a mile away and the L2 is faster than even experienced players expect it to be. The L2 is a great way to vigor check a spamming mage while simultaneously blowing up the overleveled phantom in your face. The key to duels is to save the L2 for the end and use it after a missed attack.

[@ZoeBateman]

Personally I find it really interesting how at least 3 of the Legendary weapons/armaments are obtained by fighting Leonine Misbegotten bosses, Grafted Blade Greatsword, the Golden Order Greatsword, and the Ruins Greatsword (I may have forgotten one I can’t remember, just remembered these 3 off the top of my head). The connection to the crucible is also strengthened because getting the Ruins Greatsword is a duo fight with a Crucible Knight.

[@m97polska]

Little mistakes? I think you meant to say Happy Little Accidents

[@aidenmclaughlin1076]

I think it’s weird that we find these guys in possession of legendary swords, 3 of them.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

They look like that because the original Mistbegotten made physical contact with the Crucible, and anyone else notice that Morgott appears to be both an Omen and a Mistbegotten? Also a Tarnished by blood too since he's Godfrey's son.

[@nathanfrandon2798]

That shot at 1:21 is incredibly satisfying.

[@Gidrah]

On my first playthrough I noticed the design similarities between the Misbegotten and the Gargoyles, specifically the small wings with some being more developed and capable of flight. I initially thought they were evolving or failed Gargoyles but now I doubt they are connected. I see more of a similarity between the Misbegotten and the Omens with the horn like protrusions all over thier bodies. It is interesting to see thier connection to Radagon though, they seem like failed attempts to create more powerful warriors such as the Gargoyles and Dragonic Tree Sentinels. All of this was most likely done to bolster the Golden Orders ranks to take on the Fire Giants. Then even after the war this was taken a step further by Godrick with the act of grafting to make himself more powerful. The theme of Elden Ring seems to be fusion. The Elden Ring itself is a fusion of all the Great Runes before Marika shattered it.

[@jer1515]

I subscribe to the idea that Radagon threw the sword away, like you mention at the end of this video. And some misbegotten was lucky enough to find it

[@rizzystardust2404]

I have always thought that Leonine had Radagon's sword with the intention of bringing it to Miquella

[@sebastianprice1528]

Something to think about is that there are multiple of these Misbegotten that when defeated give the player a legendary weapon. The Grafted Blade Greatsword, the Ruins Grearsword and the aforementioned Golden Order Greatsword. But what kinda disappoints me is the the Misbegotten that has the Golden Order Greatsword is the only one that we can actually see the Misbegotten use. The other two just have Iron Greatswords and just happen to drop the weapons.

[@Ron16535]

Wait, wait, wait... How do you know Radagon despised his red hair? I have watched all your videos and I haven't watched (or don't remember) this about his red hair before D=

[@ZullietheWitch]

The item description of the Giant's Red Braid. "Every giant is red of hair, and Radagon was said to have despised his own red locks. Perhaps that was a curse of their kind."

[@GearShotgun]

My theory is that the crusader is one of the misbegotten from the Haligtree, on a quest to find Miquella. The Mountaintops are right next to the snowfields and the Haligtree after all, and being called a “Crusader” implies that he’s got a certain goal or agenda in mind, as opposed to being just some random Misbegotten with a sword. As for why/how he has Radagons sword, I think Miquella might have taken it with him to the haligtree, intending to wield it in battle once his curse of childhood was lifted and he no longer needed malenia to do all the fighting for him. As for why the crusader uses faith and golden order incantations, it could be that he’s actually channeling his faith in Miquella and his order of Unalloyed Gold, rather than the traditionally xenophobic Golden Order the sword represents.

[@KingSlayerJoyBoy]

always a delight when you upload.

[@Brandon_Y.]

oh shit the blacksmith is a misbogotten? you know i never actually made the connection

[@MrFelblood]

The man has wings and a tail.

[@Brandon_Y.]

@@MrFelblood I never looked at his back

[@marioburgio3800]

Ooo, now these are some nice finds! It’s interesting how details have changed in each patch that can make some significant implications to the lore

[@ultra824]

Leonine misbegotten specifically seem to have some kind of affinity for legendary greatswords. There are three separate instances of one wielding a unique greatsword, and other than the fact that they're all greatswords, they don't appear to have any connection in terms of history or lore. Not sure what to make of this.

[@np_animation6319]

"But maybe he just peaced out" -greatest ending to a lore dump.

[@MoonyMoonzzi]

I always found that you can’t try to help the misbegotten deeply saddening

[@petrie911]

I didn't realize the red hair/radagon connection went farther than just his children. Now that i think about it, the red wolves are also associated with him. Also, do we know the original hair color of Miquella, Ranni, or Rykard?

[@malakarvonstroheim5372]

Ranni's corpse had some red locks of hair on it so yes

[@Dolthra]

We can see Rykard being devoured by the serpent in the intro cutscene and he does not appear to have red hair- though whether that is intentional or an oversight is unclear.

[@vkingu4871]

I'd probably say miquella's hair is the same as the one time we see him being nabbed by Mohg. So I'd say blond for him. Rykard's portraits in the volcano manor seemed to have red hair too (but then again, everything is red in the manor-). Although ranni's og body was scorched, I saw some red hair there too. It looks like most of his kids experiencing some degree of gigantism has red hair also (excluding smol miquella).

[@djsazm3580]

There's also cut dialogue from turtle Pope. Where he talked about the sword and it almost seemed like there was a quest for it.

[@MNVinela]

I think Radagon discarded the sword. I also think it’s worth noting that a few of the legendary weapons(including this one) are possessed by misbegottens. Perhaps they are gathering items of power for their journey to the haligtree

[@jorgwei8590]

Hi, this vid reminded me to go and grab the sword before NG+. There is a detail missing: The cave is full of Miquella's Lillies. The misbegotten, like others shunned by the golden order, were drawn to the Halig tree; so having that link to Miquella in the cave certainly isn't a coincidence. I'd say it's likely that the sword was hidden away by Miquella (with or without Radagon's knowledge/blessing) and the misbegoten in the cave are tasked with protecting it.

[@ctyoro5086]

That shot with the sword and Rennala is cool

[@dqdinh9426]

poor Radagon having to cast aside the sword because using multiple larval tears wiped his memory in order to serve the GO, yet that fire giant was still waiting for him to arrive at the forge so that they could burn the erdtree together...

[@ishiggidiggi]

Odd how similar the misbegotten and the omen are with the horns sprouting. As if one grew from one lineage while the other had radagon's influence in their birth. Some timeline shenanigans there maybe.

[@syakirridwan3305]

I realized that many enemies in this game have weapons. Is it supposed to be symbolic for something or is there another reason?

[@kamehamehaDdragon]

Wow this video was amazing. A lot of scenarios make so much sense, neat.

[@FarmerSlayerFromTheEdoPeriod]

He must have stolen it And for that reason i congratulate Fromsoft, very modern of them to represent a romanian character on one of their games besides Patches.

[@ihatehandleupdate]

Romanian moment

[@glorytoukraine5524]

The proud vanity of Western Europe and the vulgar cynicism of Eastern Europe, all in one country.

[@TitaRussellTrails]

My best guess is this particular Leonine fought alongside Radagon at some point and was entrusted with the blade since we do see a couple misbegottens fighting alongside humans (mainly Tricia and that one crucible knight)

[@billj.8690]

I can't wait to here the new background tracks Zullie will have when Tears of the Kingdom comes out.

[@SerPodrick]

Funny how Misbegotten/Omen Primordial mutations are deemed heretical but the Errdtree Guardians with branches out there backs are holy

[@naproupi]

I always assumed the greater Leonines to be drawn to powerful swords, as most of them indeed carry some of the strongest greatswords of the game. So in this case I considered that radagon indeed casted aside Renala's gift and some Leonine was drawn to it.

[@anubhabsaha5676]

It's weird how three of the legendary armaments are obtained by defeating misbegotten.

[@ITBEurgava]

I believe that one was named "misbegotten crusader", which implies: - that one misbegotten has an honorable title, implying a degree of reverence - there is a crusade at one point, since the word crusader is so specific and only being used here, afaik - the crusade implies a holy war with a specific group that was being targeted, unjustly or not

[@synthraofficial5366]

I find the location interesting as well since the Haligtree is so close by. Miquela seems to have had a good relationship with his father at one point or another.

[@themisterzed]

The cave of the Forlorn presents an alarming amount of Miquella Lillies throughout. Miquella is also strongly associated with misbegotten. Also being quite close to the area where the Haligtree is found, I think there's a relation between Radagon's Sword and Miquella abandoning Fundamentalism.

[@vogunBurgundy]

Not giving the miniboss Leonine Misbegotten in Castle Morne and Redmane Castle the Grafted Blade and Ruins Greatswords, respectively- with lightly altered movesets to match- is a crime I still protest to this day. Would've gone a hella long ways towards making their presence as minibosses distinct from their presence as basic enemies in the late game, and also drive home their proclivity for picking up and swinging various legendary sword weapons, what with lions being so heavily associated with swords and blades and such in the setting (all the guard lions with sword-paws, Radahn, etc.)

[@justanothertaxpayer8801]

Well, this confirms my theory that Radagon was actually in fact: a fury

[@are3287]

Its like having a game in the lotr universe and killing this random gollum gives you the ring of power for no reason

[@ethanc.4939]

Plot twist thats radagons mindless body after his mind and soul fused with marika

[@LongClawzHidden]

Makes sense since both a Leonine and Crucible Knight are fought at Redmane Castle.

[@kahn9980]

My headcanon is that Radagon / Marika's ancestors were giants (Radagon) and Numen (Marika). Before he met Rennala, Radagon had other sires, of whom the Misbegotten descend. Radagon led them in battle, which is why those closest to him (the Leonines) carry his weapon. Ironic, that the Misbegotten have a closer link to Marika than almost anyone else in the Lands Between.

[@Spectrallian]

It’s weird that 3 of the legendary armaments are guarded by misbegotten

[@yfxxiii]

If the sword is something Radagon cast away, and we take the misbegotten connection to him as still implied canon, it could be that the misbegotten are his "children" not just because of his influence, but that they represent a part of him he also cast away, perhaps to fulfill his ordained role as an equal to Marika. Similar to Kami in Dragon Ball casting away his evil side as Piccolo. I feel like that's a narrative that is visited often and could be getting representation here.

[@cherrydot7874]

I honestly always assumed the sword might have gotten stolen, all from the fact that the legendary weapon of Castle Morne was also stolen by a Leonine Misbegotten.

[@segundosalmo]

didnt know the misbegotten were tied to the crucible, cool to see how all the aspects of the crucible are tied to the misbegotten in some way

[@parodysam]

Godfrey and his omens, Radagon and his misbegotten, where does that leave the demi-humans?

[@silenthero2795]

I mean, he has this very nifty hammer that can break stuff and ruin the world's equilibrium. A CHAD never settles for less.

[@Niloc624]

Marika seemed to favor the crucible. Maliketh, Godfrey and his Crucible Knights, and even Hewig now seems to answer to her. Once Radagon entered the picture though, there was a huge change in the Golden Order's attitude. I have a theory that Radagon was not always one and the same with Marika. Melina implies such herself, listening to marika's echos. I suspect he was, in fact, a red-maned misbegotten once. Reborn, perhaps, by the Amber Egg.. But unable to change his hair, making it a source of ire. He later gave it away to Rennala, either as a sign of love and trust with the secrets of his origin.. Or to simply remove the evidence that this ever happened

[@demityrant1784]

This could be a cool theory relating to the Misbegotten Crusader, in that maybe the crusader knew Radagon changed and could have sought to do the same for himself through action. Though, I thought misbegotten were made later FROM whatever the original crucible beings were for purposes of slave labor. Secondly, how did Rad possess the same body as Marika from the original position of the misbegotten?

[@Kastafore]

I'm of the opinion that Radagon was either directly created by and/or always secretly controlled by the Greater Will. The GW may have created/controlled Radagon to be a back-up plan of sorts.

[@Niloc624]

@@demityrant1784 I thought about this a bit more, and I have a theory to that. It's a bit out there, but my idea is that Radagon, as a misbegotten, sought perfection in the order, and at this time, the only true perfection was in the Gods. Marika, the vessel of the Greater Will, was the closest to perfection, so, Radagon became Marika. The amber egg, and the rune of rebirth (which was a part of the elden ring) might indeed be capable of a feat like that when wielded by the Cosmic powers. I still haven't sorted out when exactly radagon became marika, or when that lyndell sculptor glimpsed the truth though.

[@eviltoad746]

There's also the possibility that the Misbegotten Crusader just stole the sword lol

[@GhabrielPeper]

0:54 what a nice shot

[@aerocreative]

I was just doing this cave and was wondering this EXACT question!!

[@lordofsandvich3630]

I think one possibility is that the Leonine Misbegotten are affected by the latent power of Radagon, somehow. The Gods seem to be able to influence their environment unconsciously, and the outbreak of Chimera are tied to the increased power of Radagon over Marika, with Leonine Misbegotten specifically having a connection to Radagon. That Misbegotten with the Golden Order Greatsword might have been a normal Misbegotten before it found it.

[@alisweatshirt7405]

After reading the lore of the weapon and fighting the boss of the cave, I just assumed From were having a laugh giving a red haired mob the weapon of the famous Radagon.

[@jrmungandr_4404]

The scene at 1:22 is incredible, I would be trully thankfull if you ever made a photo/wallpaper album containing shots like these

[@AsianBaskero]

I believe there is a boss fight where it is against a misbegotten and a crucible working together.

[@rodneyolayinka7742]

your music is always s-tier

[@TSpoon823]

I've always thought the word "Misbegotten" was key to their relationship with Radagon as his children/descendants. Also, does it look like that one Misbegotten had stumps of horns on its head like Omens do?

[@drewbunker]

Maybe Radagon was an actual misbegotten before "becoming" Marika. Then using Elden Powah she turns him into a human form linked with her. Would explain him having the rebirth rune to give to Renalla and may have been the inspiration for Nox and Raya Lucaria to look into creating people but with the silver fluid. I'd love it if Law of Regression turned the statue into a Leonine and said "Radagon was a monster" or something.

[@TheVenusarus]

I wonder if Marika had to interact with the crucible in order to create her alter ego, spawning the misbegotten as a byproduct of abusing primordial power

[@KyleCzHall]

In japan, Baku are deities made from the left over parts of creation, they were made to protect dreams.

[@KRILLAZ]

ah yes, more information to make my heart ache for rennala even further.

[@TheEnkelchen]

I believe more and more that Radagon leaves many breadcrumbs through positioning his red wolves and other followers, maybe his only posibilty to speak to us with his own opinion and try to give us background informations (about what is all behind) - without Marikas influence or opinion.

[@Ratat0skr0]

Misbegotten and the crucible is probably my favorite part of the lore.

[@sapphoemet645]

Would love to see some champion of the misbegotten in dlc, a more actualized and intelligible character in harmony with the crucible energies that produced them. It's likely an unintended consequence of their design having a transitory/chaotic theme, but I always perceived them as unfinished creatures, and story-wise lacking a strong central thread. A boss couldn't hurt

[@MrFelblood]

You're talking about Hewg.

[@ethanmcgehee7016]

I love how about 2 months ago I said you need to show some content, and now we have insighted videos every week. Thanks zullie!

[@pious83]

The beast men really seem to have a vital piece of their lore left out of the game. Not as severe as the Wormfaces, but their ties to other factions.

[@86fifty]

Another example of in-universe and meta game development converging! If the Misbegotten were more explicitly linked to Radagon earlier in development, and are now, in-universe, disdained as too primordial to be divine, or even part of the Golden Order, then it kinda follows that originally, Radagon's sword falling into the hands of a Leonine was originally more purposeful. And further into development on a meta level, they were abandoned, so the in-universe reason it's there warps too. I didn't explain that very well, but that's what I was thinkin!

[@ronwisegamgee]

I think Ratatoskr made a good point when he stated that the lore of this game is truly incomprehensible.

[@petrow1tch196]

Bit of trivia: in russian translation misbegotten creatures are named "bastards" which means a child born to not married parents 🤔

[@blackdragon227]

Given how they look, I wonder if part of the reason they're rejected is because it's linked to dragons in some way? Placidusax was the Elden Lord before Erdtree stuff happened, and connections to them are looked down on.