ZWIFT anti CHEAT is Broken! - Race: Stage 1: Best Of - Sand and Sequoias (A)

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Chapters:
0:00 Intro in the pen
1:20 Guy attacks right out of the pen!
5:45 Let's attack the group
7:48 Another attack, not my me!
10:17 500 watt cheater gets called out in the chat
11:20 Riders try to flag the cheat
14:07 Cheater is requested to leave the race, spoiler: HE DOESN'T!
15:15 Start of Titans Grove Northbound climb
32:38 Last 300 meters
33:32 Breakdown of the race
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[@repmortskcab8483]

Fantastic focus and fighting face. Great race and huge effort!

[@RideWithGerben]

Thank you! 🙏

[@silverarrowslk]

Amazing ride! I was watching this and went to make a coffee and couldn’t believe that you caught the lead group that got a gap on Titans. Some genuine fit guys in that group such as Nielsen. Chinese 🇨🇳 rider in your group didn’t have a kick but great steady power. People like Shin discourage me from Zwift races, especially ones with long climbs as it’s full of weight dopers or using Zpower. I think the races should be categorised in terms of what your power source is. So anyone using Zpower actually can’t ride the event at all but have a separate race just for them etc

[@RideWithGerben]

I totally agree. Zpower should have their own races. Looking forward to the results of these :) All 500 watt monsters in one race, must be epic. Also, I like my comeback too after Titans, to bad the whole experience was marred by cheaty boi. But that's also very ZWIFT.

[@lee-cycling]

Cheater aside, great racing, mate. The pace got tough through TG and just stayed that way. You dudes in the chase group did excellent work together. Put the fear of God into the front. They started doing orange numbers about 2km out to try to keep ahead. And excellent sprint at the end after being on the gas for so long.

[@RideWithGerben]

Yeah! It was nice to see a scared front group, we were pulling hard thx to the very motivated Chinese guy who did great power after the climb. One of my better races for sure.

[@CBRMackie63]

Great ride Gerben! I thought you nipped that guy at the line. I think the flag didn't work because based off his weight, about 99kg from his results, it's plausible that someone could do that. And looking at the results there were a couple guys that had similar w/kg avg. He was smart enough to stay within the race 4-6w/kg to fly under the radar. I just let people like that go. When I first got into A cat, I knew the A+ cat riders would just ride away, and I wouldn't chase. I would do exactly what you did and just race the group I'm in. That was just as exciting to see you battling for a position!

[@RideWithGerben]

True. But man 468 watts over the full ride, that should be an auto ban from future races 😀 Also I chase everything down, not that I believe that I can keep up with A+ guys, I obviously cannot, but chasing riders better than me gives me hope that one day I can be just as good as them.

[@CBRMackie63]

@@RideWithGerben you're right about the chasing part and is a smart thing to do after being in A cat for a while. I used to not chase zpower riders. Now I do if they are not doing crazy w/kg. I now know they can't climb or sprint because their power is capped at 400w!

[@waterdeptworker]

Very true....Today I did C cat and pushed my best W/K...My average is 2.5 and I got a 2.9 but still finished almost last...A few 4.0's and many many 3.5+'s in this race. C cat should be 2.5-3.2 W/K...Cheating Galore in Zwift.

[@joelnace1793]

Unless it was a very short race, C is around what you state. Zwift normally doesn't let A's and B's select C anymore unlike in the past

[@waterdeptworker]

@@joelnace1793 it was 39km over an hour long.

[@RideWithGerben]

Erik @dontgetdroppedcycling has also a B rider pushing 4.5 w/k for 20 minutes in his latest video. Which is really odd. Maybe anti cheat is really broken?

[@garak2406]

C has a limit of 3.36 for zftp, that equals to about 3.7 for 20 minutes for a rider like me (20 minutes 3.48 gives me a zftp of 3.18). The old limits you are citing don't apply anymore.

[@JasonLeBel]

Zwift changed the way they do categories (they don't go by FTP) And, lightweights are able to go over that 3.2wkg limit, it's to help even the field as they'd get crushed on the flats.

[@psymanj73]

Great job focusing on the race and giving it full effort, Gerben! 🎉 💪 🚲 it must be difficult when a rider goes off doing 5w/kg for the whole race 😔 at least you had a lot of the pack discussing it in the group chat 😉 pretty good result against that field too 👊

[@RideWithGerben]

It was a great field. With two very strong A+ guys. They did a lot of damage to the field on the climb. Very unfortunate about cheater guy, but now you can see the damage they do in races.

[@JasonLeBel]

There's a D rider who's averaging 400W a race. But he's 400lbs (if he's average HR wasn't 130, I may believe the watts) And this rider's wkg isn't much different than a few of the others

[@RideWithGerben]

Maybe he is just pro tour material? Nahhh. No hrm and 468 watts over the full ride? Deffo cheating.

[@PaulGibbings01]

The problem is there are so many iffy performances on Zwift it is difficult to work out who is a genuine semi pro level rider and who is deliberately (or accidently) cheating. I suspect there will always be unbelievable performances but is it fair to disqualify someone mid race, when they might be just a very good rider? What I would say if a rider is going to be disqualified after the race for no HRM, why let them even start.

[@RideWithGerben]

Zwift has enough data sets (like hr/power or amount of total flags recieved) to get a gist who is dodgy or not and might be refused to start in a race. I think this guy qualifies for that. Also, I see a lot of races where you get a prompt that you can't start if you don't have a hrm. Bit odd that this race was open to non hrm wearers too. At the end some guy dropped from the front bc he didn't have a hrm on, just to avoid a bad classification in ZwiftPower. That dropping to avoid bad results is a whole different can of worms, which I don't want to open right now :)

[@PaulGibbings01]

Yes, my understanding is that the hrm message is down to the race organiser and Zwift don't seem to be that fussy with their monthly series races. I've just finished a 50k ride, where the first finisher managed 575w for 6.05 w/kg for the entire ride, at the age of 50. Watch out for him coming to a race near you soon 😊@@RideWithGerben

[@RideWithGerben]

Lol looking forward to seeing that great 6w/k Champion in my races 😂

[@joelnace1793]

I think that it takes like 10 or so flags to get rid of somebody. You have to do your part. It is getting annoying having these cheaters just ride off the front and holding for the duration 5.5 to 6 wkg from the gun. I mean even if you are that strong, why do a race if you are going to do that? I don't even think that I would do that if I could do a D race as a low A. What fun is it?

[@RideWithGerben]

10 flags! That’s insane. I mean three would be reasonable. Are you on this @gozwift ? We do not need a new map, but a solid anti cheat system.

[@waterdeptworker]

I did a race today C cat with lots of A's and B's in it.

[@mavericksr71]

Your on the wrong platform for racing, the evil orange is social/game platform. Others out there that are designed for racing and not as a game.

[@RideWithGerben]

There used to be a lot of racing on "The Evil Orange" :(

[@repmortskcab8483]

Reminds me of old days when apple fanboys said Apple was so much better and secure because there were much less computer viruses. Those days a small fraction of computer users ran apple computers. Didn't consider/understand that cheaters/virusmakers don't waste time on platforms with very limited amount of users. Any other platform will get the cheat problem when/if their userbase gets big enough to make it worth the time. Cheaters/burglars/criminals will always exist

[@mavericksr71]

@@RideWithGerben and to be far there still is, but the platform wasn't built around racing and thus the way the game plays, how it uses servers, drafting, road and wind dynamics and anti cheating were never a thought back then and to be retrofitted would cost a lot of $$$$. And I suspect is not what 75% of users are interested in anyway.