@@joewang3748 thanks man I appreciate that

@@Tryptic214 yeah I was also worried they were going to level their towers more because I'm pretty sure a lot of my dudes would get caught on the left tower. I think my opponent was a little bit worried about me going more boats though

@@1Flyffer1 once my opponent committed to the assault scorps it was too expensive to use a different unit. Also, in most cases his build probably would beat what I was running it's just that the typhoon levels were nuts

On round 4 I noticed that it took a long time to clear the typhoon shields and 2 of them also leveled so that would take longer. So on round 5 when the boat drop came I was worried about still having level 2 sledgehammers. My hope was that the missiles would assist in keeping the sledgehammers alive long enough so that they could kill typhoons and get level 3 so that my armor on them would scale better. I've never seen anyone do that because it was sort of a specific situation here.

@@Ragin08 Nice, thanks for the breakdown. Keep it up!

@@jordanb722 I have finally figured out how to use the phantom rays! You're right, i think rays with armor in the front would be perfect against the mustangs. I think without the wasp flank I begin to fall behind there

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@@tet876 I could have done a lot of different things, but I was just playing around the redeployment. Sometimes you can lose thinking too much about how to counter everything when a couple missiles will do just fine. I could also feel my opponent wanted more boats so I felt safe

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@@YadaYadaMan thanks :) I think the laser sight actually helped a lot more than it seems so if I sell the rhino I won't be able to use that laser sight that I freed up from the wraith, but no doubt there is a better play. Also, one of the things that works best against the boats is leveling your towers since they rely on killing those to win

It really depends. And I cannot overstate that enough. If you take the supply card it assumes you think your opponent will be efficient with their supply for the entire game. High MMR players are good at quick math since it is sort of a requirement to make it to high MMR so I tend to respect that in my opponents above 2k MMR. However, there is so much nuance to a position that you could argue that the added benefit of long term supply is simply not as strong as tempo now. This depends entirely on the specific player and their ability to continue to apply pressure when it is already on. I think as long as you can make the calculation and still just go off a gut feel then do that in all scenarios. Sorry if this is sort of a non answer, but it's just really hard to say exactly and I have actually thought about this question a lot

@@Ragin08 I get what you mean - but to clarify the tradeoff: - skip: 150 extra supply this round. For the next 3 rounds, your board should be ahead of the opponent (if they take). So the question is if the 150 supply advantage buys you enough value. One can certainly imagine eg. an extra pack of crawlers or a level-up making a difference. In a relative sense, that 150 supply is also much more on round 4 on a board worth 2700 than the 50 extra is on round 8 - so you get more impact from it. Really, the more I write it out the less meaningful it seems. Even by the time it is paying out, it's paying out 50 extra supplies when per-round supply is 1400-1600 (7/8), so it's a fairly miniscule difference in the grand scheme of a board valued at 6300/7900 supply (starter units + supply at round 8). If there is absolutely anything else worth taking you should take it over supply, I reckon, and honestly skip just seems like it will be better most of the time. Either way, the difference is so small IMO it's not worth thinking about it. I think there's much more scope for the missing 150 supply from taking to be really bad than there is for the extra supply down the line to be really good - so on balance I'd probably say skip should be the default.

@@jordanb722 I would say that taking Supply is the default answer, with certain scenarios tilting the other way. Those scenarios aren't about unit count or chip damage, they're only about unit experience when there is a tipping point between two units. The first example that comes to me off the top of my head is Sledges vs Stormcallers. They might have relative parity at first, but if the Sledges get rank 2 they have a good chance of totally invalidating the Storms. If the Storms get rank 2 they have a chance of invalidating the Sledges (based on positioning of course). Similar things can happen with Sledges vs Phoenix, Fortress vs Melting Point, Scorpions vs other Scorpions... A scenario where you want to choose the faster money is one where you are trying to get a unit counter that's only possible by ranking up units, or you're preventing the opponent from doing the same. Having one ranked unit with a different profile from the rest of your army, might force the opponent to spend 600 credits on something they don't want. On the flip side, there are investment counters: units which counter more enemies when they have lots of tech or numbers. Carry Overlords, Mass Fortress, Acid Scorpions etc. These units have break points: they might be WAY stronger after spending 2000 credits than they are with 1600 credits, and you might only have 1800 credits. The Supply boost might get you there. So what you're balancing is the chance of leaping ahead in efficiency because of ranks, vs the chance of leaping ahead because of a little extra money. You're balancing it for both yourself and your opponent, too, so good luck getting it right every time. The amount of health you gain or lose is almost meaningless next to unit experience. To give an example of this, think about Barrier Fortress with Fangs in front and enemy Vulcans. Adding 1 more Fortress might make the shields last 2 more seconds, killing the Vulcan and preserving 10 fangs. Those 10 fangs could mean 10 Phoenix shots. I feel like I see too many people being satisfied once they get 5-6 of a Giant unit, buying a tech they don't need instead of 2 more of the unit.

@@jordanb722 thats a lot of explaining done, but in the end, i agree with the point: just dont take supply round 4, its bad.

in last game bullet tech was just to spend money or there were somth more to it?

@@wednesdayboy7390 it is sort of just to spend it, but it's also logical to take in that scenario. Deciding if it's good to take is just a math problem. You will only take the AP bullet tech on mustangs when you have many mustangs on the board which is typically late game. AP bullets adds 50% extra damage so if you have 2 mustangs on the board you don't take it because it's 100% more damage to just buy 2 more mustangs. When you have 4 mustangs let's say at level 1 it's literally still 100% more damage to elite recruit 2 more mustangs. So you only take the tech when you can no longer recruit an equivalent amount of overall damage from stangs. Hope that helps

@@mazagu-crow no the typhoon and mustang are very different units. The reason the comp works so well is because of the barrier tech on the typhoon and it's ability to clear chaff extremely fast. You combine that with the chingun overlord and many waves of crawlers and you have the comp. Mustangs are totally different so it wouldn't work

@@Ragin08 It's true I don't get barriers on Mustangs but they clear chaff extremely well too... or do they?

@@mazagu-crow they don't clear crawlers very well, but they clear fangs fast. Again though, the comp does not work without typhoon in front. With mustangs your overlords still just die in the front. Mustangs and overlords just don't synergize

@@devinbyrnes8058 yeah that's why I'm not the biggest fan of assmen in general. I also think that's a good tech for them, but cannot add that tech to the bar in my MMR range because of the utility of the other options on MM being extremely important to have for various scenarios

@ For Assmen to work, you need the full Assman bar. You can’t half-ass it. Because of that, you forego the utility of a late game MM drop. It is a cost you have to accept. With the unit drop patch + Tarantula being a thing, I think Assman is a trap and not worth a spot on my bar. In what situation would you click Assman, if Assman wasn’t your plan from the start?

@@devinbyrnes8058 I only ever click it when I have a redeploy and start with mm in the pack and defend against like arclight flanks or something. SO basically never lol

So I actually mentioned this in the video, but if fortress was not in the unit round on round 6 of game 1 I would have sold the most expensive unit in the pack to buy a fortress. So Plan B is still fortress, but it's not as ideal a situation.

When it is late in the game and you have lots of mustangs already you almost always want the barrier to help keep them alive especially on late game unit drop rounds. Watch round 6 in game 2 starting around 34:15 for an example of why. My opponent takes incendiary bomb on vulcan which would kill all of my mustangs immediately so taking barrier was crucial. Grabbing barrier early is also a tempo play meaning it already provides amazing synergy with mustangs and it allows you to continue to win rounds because your next tech usually will be rocket punch and so having a tech purchased makes it easier to add more forts and get additional technologies on the following rounds. I hope this helps.

Thank you! There's so much nuance in the background of the information that I'm giving that it's hard to cover everything. So if it's helpful then I'm glad :)

@@ianstandardYT you're welcome :) sometimes it does get countered. The best counter to it I've found is melter with range and emp barrage and mustangs of your own. Melters take down the shields and kill forts and mustangs clear the chaff and enemy mustangs. I have a game on the channel where I counter it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKS3oX97bd2sgrM&ab_channel=Ragin%27

@@groundhog-plays I think the ball stang transition to forts is typically how I play it as well. Sabers pair really well with mustangs as well I find. Played some of those today they went pretty well

@@wednesdayboy7390 correct! Any unit requiring supply to unlock that is unlocked during the course of the game will not show up in unit drop rounds regardless of whether or not it has been built. So for giant specialist this can be part of your strategy when unlocking units to pick the giants your board would do poorly against since they are free to unlock. However, the normal 0 cost units like marksmen for example will only not show in drops if one is already on the board. Idk why the game doesn't explain that, but that is how it works. Use this info to your advantage

@@devinbyrnes8058 I'm very glad to hear that! Sometimes just taking it nice and easy and reacting to what's right in front of you instead of swinging for the fences is exactly what you need. Let your opponent make the mistakes instead. It also helps you get better because you'll find yourself using new things

1300 is high mmr?

Yeah the boat drop on the typhoon round also was just bananas! I have no idea why he would pass up that huge melter, I thought I threw after the jump drive play

@@KenLives333 no I wouldn't consider them chaff clear they are actually quite bad at clearing chaff. I have found they shine against Phoenix/marksmen when you use the stealth cloak and they can avoid becoming distracted by chaff. I have also seen them used effectively against mustangs/typhoon when you take armor on them and let them just exist as bullet sponges. Other than that I personally haven't found any other uses yet. They get hard countered by multi melters and aa wasps

@@KenLives333 ty mate 🫡

Yeah I got ahead of myself with that play and honestly if you don't have a reason to jump drive (like in this game) you really shouldn't. Should have just taken the barrier on typhoon instead. Round 6 was a bad play the rhinos definitely bailed me out on the final round. I think I might start to add spinning rhinos to a build like this more often

@@kazikfriedrich 2060 at the moment

@@YadaYadaMan I will figure out how to use it one day I'm sure! 😂

@@Ragin08 i've seen a game where a single lvl 2 phantom ate like 4 distracted overlords in a row, but i think it's just not very reliable. very nice if air isn't contested at all, but it doesn't really last very long

@@decand I think I will try to use it in a situation where I am trying to bait out mustang against an overlord push and then take phantoms with armor. Or something like that. The unit really does feel like it just falls short of so many other units. The oil seems interesting I feel like there is a war factory play with the oil if you're being pushed with badgers and you can get your enemy to burn the ground all of their crawlers run through and then there's no chaff to distract a war factory. Just thinking out loud. There must be something good

@@SalkolianLegion to reach high MMR in any game one must first die a little inside 😂