Agree. You're going to proc it probably twice a turn on Gamora, with some extra when you play Crosscounter in the villain phase. You'll easily proc it double digit times throughout a game unless you're in true solo. If you are, there are two player side schemes that can fetch it, and if you get it out early, it will easily exceed a single attack event in value throughout the game

Oh no! What upset you?

Also wanted to tag on that I really enjoy these videos. The discussion between VT and Boomguy is excellent, and while I don't agree with every take I do love the reasoning behind it!

I hear the elite-trait thing fairly often and I feel like I must be playing a different game to most people. We frequently encounter annoying non-elite minions. It might be due to leaning into harder mod sets fairly often, but I like those numbers you're sharing!

Totally fair! I will defend him not "needing" the damage though - but he doesn't hate it, certainly! Run and Gun is perfect for defeating his many nemeses, is more flexible on damage distribution and can also be split thwarting. And Lock and Load speeds up his setup which I value very highly.

I agree with you Savage Attack is much more useful and agressively costed than Run and Gun. I use Run and Gun once per game at best -ie: nemesis-, but savage attack, is just a good and fairly costed tool, either to remove a minion, or to reduce Villain HP. None of those cards are outstanding, but one is just more likely to hit the board than the other.

And most importantly, swords are cool.

@@VillainTheory haha yes, definitely the most important factor

STAR-LORD! WOO! 😁

I am Groot.

The game is drastically different at higher player counts. It took me a long time to realize that almost every CDB deck and every content creator’s take needed to be modded/taken with a grain of salt. Everyone was losing their minds when Wolverine dropped so I bought him off the hype. Played him 3 times. Funny how 6-8 damage events lose impact when the villain’s health pool is 180.

​@@jongahimer5338Almost all CBD decks are designed for True Solo. I play almost exclusively either solo or three players. They really are almost different games at those player counts.

@@mattvoegtli9928 Yeah. It’s unfortunate that everyone tags them multiplayer. It also amazes me how many play the game at True Solo. The game seems fairly unbalanced. Some scenarios are easily gamed via stun-lock or damage gimmicks and some scenarios feel nigh-unbeatable. 2-handed is as low as I go.

@@jongahimer5338 I think I'm agreeing with your point to some extent. I would say a card like "Advance" is overtuned in true solo. It puts so much pressure on the solo player that it can lose you a game out of nowhere if you don't "over respect it". From 2 players and ownard, it is just a powerful card, but it rarely causes an instant-loss for no reason. In the same idea, "gang up" can be extremely mean in solo play, but from 2 players and ownard, it is more often than not a regular "assault", because of the way the minions are spread out among players. The more players, the more likely "gang up" will "fizzle". This said I think true solo is just a very specific variant of the game, that make you see the game vastly differently as you would if you play coop. And this is where MCDB is misleading: most decks have this "true solo bias", which create cacophony. Some people might think that playing "coop" games, just require several "true solo decks", and that is totally missing the point of how the game can be optimally played in multiplayers. Each decks can be a separate engine, which synergize together, like a "Torque Converter", and though those decks would not work in "true solo" -so poorly rated on MCDB-, they will overperform true solo deck by a miles in "cooperative play". Marvel Champions is very well designed, with many ways to play the game, to build decks, and to customize villains. The Hegemony of True Solo Mindset is what can amper the game, and to some extent, render MarvelCDB quite redundant, and uninformative. Fortunately there is youtube with many different style of play showcased, and not only "true solo mindseted".

I honestly like both those cards, this wave was great and I've planned ahead for Wave 4 and I'm dreading picking for Adam or Nebula. I have picked but I love the cards so... Oof.

@@VillainTheory Nebula is in my top 10 heroes, I cannot think of a bad one amongst her cards !

You could say it rocketed up the tier list! That's awesome.

We were playing Rocket and Vision when Shadows of the Past came up for Vision. Ultron dropped 5 drones and {ahem} well, we need to issue a warning: villains beware, never put 1/1/1 minions in front of Rocket...

It took like 30 minutes of recording to decide for Star-Lord and Groot, and I was worried this was going to be our longest episode ever by a large margin. But the later heroes were thankfully much easier!

We didn’t pick bad boy!

@@WinningHandPodcast I know. Just shocked it was among 2 other considered cards for you. But those very different opinions/considerations make the format more interesting than it otherwise would be. Good discussions from you both 👍

I think I can summarize it as "Bad Boy = Best Boy" 😁

@@YourTamedLion thank you!

WOO! No limits, no restraints!

No kidding! Playing with Star Lord stresses the table. We're all stuck in survival mode --until Star Lord goes full attack with 4 allies for 60 damage.

Waaaaaaiitt a minute 🤔

I only wish I could pick a guest that spells it VillainTheory, not Villain Theory! 😜

@@VillainTheory whatever, TheoryVillain

It is a good podcast even though two of the hosts are usually wrong....

@@mattvoegtli9928 No doubt about that...at least Boomguy is always there to keep them in check!