covered this in comments in my new video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/apXaiaSleJKGfpo&lc=UgxPI36AEdr6XoQhnHB4AaABAg.A6ZmYrHRTvGA6_amPy2h8X

it increases dps (damage) drastically. There is a node in acid flask that is generally ignored by some streamers, it gives poison penetration per poison resistance. What the tooltip does not say is that when you convert acid flask to cold or fire, the penetration is also converted to it's respective damage/ resistance.

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@@russelltimmerman3771 Side note, 1.700, maybe over 2k if I invest. And I can see where you are coming from , but I'll give the benefit of doubt, these broken ass builds abuse one single thing, silver shroud, and honestly it's cheap. They don't need to build defense layers.

@@eliel77 They also abuse broke DPS. Seriously, go tits to the wall on a Druid build and maybe you can get 10% Falconers dps AND you will have to spend most of your time as a human to do it.

@russelltimmerman3771 The way some people talk, make it looks like falconer is the culprit of outliers, when warlock and sorcerer are just as powerful in dps. I played as druid for hundreds of hours, and just left because the class was abandoned, left to dust compared to the newer classes. I know it. But I'm having fun anyway. The dps is not abuse, it's what the game offers you and it's not because bugs or unintended interactions. But infinite silver shroud is not intended, even if it's not bug yet, it overrides the game proposal.

@@eliel77 not an outlier, I agree. There are other broken classes. but Falconer has more broken builds within it than any other class. You can't spit and not hit a 1000c build with the class. Dive bomb is broken, sliver shroud is broken, ballista is broken, and now it appears flask is broken. Where as if you get to 400c with a druid build that STAYS in the form you choose you are doing really well. IF you can get to 600c with a zoo necro (non wraith lord) you are doing well.

@@jin-rn7hg it increases dps (damage) drastically. There is a node in acid flask that is generally ignored by some streamers, it gives poison penetration per poison resistance. What the tooltip does not say is that when you convert acid flask to cold or fire, the penetration is also converted to it's respective damage/ resistance.

​@@eliel77Thank you for your kindness.

Wtf ​@@eliel77 IT CONVERTS ?!?!?!??!

@@matthewdeklerk3457 yep, its easy to test it, put points in the node and see how the dps increases (when you have lot of resistance of the type)

@@eliel77 yoooooooo that's crazy that must mean it converts for cold res shred on cold flask!!!! Big big big

Skill the same setup, passives some slightly adjustment, and for items basically just trade weapon and off hand. We use exalted dagger with +4% crit chance implicit and increased dodge rating implicit, and cradle of the erased shield with T7 block chance . Maybe we need to invert body Armour, t5 health % and T7 +4 acid flask. Oh and trade dodge blessing for block chance

@@eliel77 Thanks for answering, I know it's a lot of work, but I'd love it if you could give a video of the dagger and shield type.

@@jero-ut5mu I'm might do one, but favor farm takes so long now, after nerfs in XP gain in higher corruption, and I'm spending all my prophecies trying to find body armour and unique & exalted bow /and unique quiver. I need to grind for some top tier exalted dagger and right now I can't afford it in CoF. In my day off maybe I play a little with shield and my current dagger 😁

@@briantenison6 the build has a great sinergy with cold resistance. It increases ward retention (more defense) ,I'm using shackles gloves, and increase cold penetration (more damage) (acid flask node that increase poison penetration per poison resistance, when you convert to cold it is also converted, although it does not show in the tooltip)

@@eliel77 Awesome, ty for the reply!

@@LarsPaschold maybe it's just visual bug, but once you convert it to ice (with vial of volatile off hand) or to fire (with skills nodes), all that matters is the respective damage type. So if converted to fire all my flat throwing damage will scale with increased fire damage. Of course if you add flat cold throwing damage (there is a glove with that) you can scale this flat with increased cold damage but it's exception and don't synergize well when min/max.

@@Marvelmar86 yeah those t7 rings are kinda rare, I had trouble too to find good ones and to slam them into uniques.

@@Marvelmar86 and I have slammed +10% crit chance on bow, tomorrow I'll update a new video doing 1700c already

One of these evenings, gonna drop one lol. Looking forward to the next vid then :)

hey, thanks for the words. I havent tested it with shadow dagger, but my take is that it should work, the shadow dagger will inherit the shadow damage, but as you might know, its chance from shadow casts is only 20% (against 100% from other casts , and I guess 60% from umbral blade since the nerf) it means skills tha comes from shadows have a much less chance to proc shadow daggers. Shadow Cascade can work (without shadow dagger), in the past it was a less dps build but as shadow dagger got some nerfs in some patches, it might be even now. Shadow Cascade damage was never outstanding, but with the correct setups people used to go over 1k corruption with it, and it is awesome clear speed. Boss damage was were it suffered.From what I remember people heavily invested in either shadow damage or leveraged momentum node (increased damage per melee attack speed).

Right now I'm doing 1500c Huge potential to do more, depending on how lucky you are with drops & slams and depending of the setup.

Forgot this was my first video Check my lastest video, Im running 1200 corruption there kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3Opi6htpK97bMU

@@dawgyqq3264 as falconer I don't have a solid reason to change to low life. As Bladedancer we have damage reduction and free crit multiplier at least, even after the huge nerf it still can perform well Falconer has solid defense with HP and the eleacon body armour synergize well with all our setup. I'm still figuring out how the endgame setup will be, I want to go with bow as long as I can endure, it's very cool. I'll change to dagger + shield only after I min/max my bow, and only then I'll do some more detailed tests to my defenses in higher corruption. This won't matter that much doing around 1500 corruption, I think both setup are fine.

@@eliel77 I'm running with a dagger/shield with 78% block. Should I get rid of glancing blow passives?

@@dawgyqq3264 imo never. Glancing blow is too strong and you have so many support for it as falconer. You would want to have both block chance and glancing blow for a very high corruption. But if you are not pushing corruption very high just block and doge or armor should work

still soon to tell that. But I think it will be better, more damage, and with the dagger+shield better defenses. Falconer overall is a much more polished class.

Ill try to come with something soon :)

still havent tested it with Dive Bomb, I think "talon blades" node can make the damage on another level.

​@@eliel77u wonder why u dont have enough mana,dive bomb gives some mana with short cd and u could just keep spaming it and also reduce the cd on smoke but anyway that wasnt your plan.

@@lijack0819 yeah I know, I'm just stubborn sometimes and the moment I change to dive bomb is the moment I'm going with free silver shroud. I'm enjoying testing these other options first 😁😊

​@@eliel77yeh sry u cant avoid that😂

@@rcane6842 legit . Online only. Legacy char

hey man, thanks for the words and enthusiasm. unfortunately Im not good at guides, and I dont have specific loot filters for any build. But there is plenty of streamers that can help you more in this stage of the game. frozensentinel youtube.com/@frozensentinel?si=tZFf7V1plMQn0YFG and Binashole youtube.com/@binaqc?si=Q6j3HEkD_JCsdtx9 have good filters and explanations on how to easily configure one for the things you want. You can also always check last epoch tools and maxroll for filters. Many of us min/max builds dont use specific filters, we just create a general one to show pottential good drops for more than 1 build. for rings basically create a new rule to recolor type: ring, subtype select all, affix select only throwing mana cost , with at least "1" of these affixes, advanced options, tier of indivudual affixes must be "6" or "7", up to you. Put this rule in the top of your filter.

What about using the new quiver for defense?

@@ricardoferreira1946 as I said in chat, havent tested it yet, on paper I didnt see it scaling very high, we need to dodge to gain the dusk shroud , against pack of enemies it could be OP, against bosses hard to tell, because essencially more than dodging the boss atack with the dodge chance, we always try to avoid being hit. Anyway somethings surprise us when we put it in the battle, so Its worth the try. too bad its base implicit is bad and its 87 legendary potential, so only 1LP or 2LP if very lucky. Thanks for the tip

@@eliel77 Yw. I tried, but yes, it's more for monster packs. On bosses we can swap. It's kinda OP for echoing.

To tell the truth I always forget to put it in action bar. But it should be the optimized way to play. Another thing is that against bosses we are pressing so many buttons already and decoy is another different one, and its cooldown being so long it wont be that much help, but better than nothing.

Yeah works like a charm. This bug description is really strange, to tell the truth I didn't notice anything. The nodes that increase mana cost in explosive trap are "clustered explosive" that can increase mana cost +8 or +16 and "automated bombardment" that increase +11 mana cost. And all they were taken and we can still spam the skill and manage mana. There is nothing about +3 mana cost.

Haven't killed all the harbingers yet, so I can't test. But pretty sure it's easy. We are doing over 1500 corruption, we can kill anything. Aberroth is the hardest boss in game but in fact the hardest content in game is scalling corruption. Bosses over 1.000 corruption become the hardest content ( Orobyss, emperor of corpses and heorot and the new harbingers)

You can play with any rogue class, although for marksman I think it will be tricky to built around it. There are some things in each passive mastery tree that will make things a bit different for each class. With Bladedancer we have more access to crit multiplier and the reduced damage taken in low life With falconer with have more defenses, can get more glancing blow chance. I'm doing another version of acid flask, now using fire damage and shield, with falconer.

@@eliel77 I see, thank You very much for Your response ! Btw You doing great work, i hope one day ill have that much understanding of stats-theory that ill make my own end-game builds ^^

@@luccabertoldi7171 those julra rings are more for spell builds. They can be great for mages. Maybe could be useful to triple my throwing affix damage but only for a short time. They hardly come with 2LP and there are better options with more useful stats (HP, cold resistance and others). The boots are core to the low life build, without it our ward will be too low

@@kimdaivd3228 if playing CoF you will drop them with prophecies. unfortunately it will be hard without T7, but it all depends how far do you wanna push. With T6 you will attack less , will have to wait mana recover sometimes, and depending of the corruption you will take longer to kill mobs and bosses and can be deadly. You can also have some other strategies to mitigate the mana loss, maybe the experimental affix to gain mana on potion use, maybe lot of mana Regen (but this take space of prefixes in gear and you will take space of a damage affix everytime you put a mana Regen prefix in gear).

Hey essentially you will need the unique vial of volatile ice to convert acid flask to cold damage . And the build is also mana hungry, without 2 rings with exalted tier 7 -5 throwing attack mana cost you will always be out of mana in a phew attacks. Also if going low life (ward) you will need exsanguinous body armor and boot last steps of the living and gloves frostbite shackles and lot of cold resistance, so it's a build that requires lot of investment. Until you can farm these, you can play any generic throwing skills, umbral blade works well. I just showcase endgame builds, and I don't do guides, but you can find plenty of Farming & leveling guides in Maxroll or last epoch tools

@@eliel77 wow. i played acid flask last season. it looked strong mechnical speaking so when they buffed it this season, i knew someone would make a build with it. 1500 corruption. very nice.

@@dodang_9147 This exactly build was already super strong last patch 1.0. It only needed flat throwing damage as much as possible and crit multiplier and cold resistance that gave us ward and also tons of cold penetration. Damage was not so a problem, and as it's defenses were nerfed 1.1 I think it was stronger before. The changes in acid flask this patch doesn't mean very much to this exactly build.

@@ricardoferreira1946 youtube.com/@lijack0819?si=cNSiWTwixQ2yOgJx It's actually his build master SMK 😂

@@eliel77 haha xD

@@MrUuuuu123 it's doing great Defenses got a huge nerf, now I have ~6k ward, but still viable to do around 1200-1500 corruption Main problem is hard bosses. Still testing it against mono bosses, against Orobyss and the new boss that spam after we kill mono boss I was recording a video today, but work time arrived and I'll upload it tomorrow.

@@eliel77 great I look forward to it! Does that mean this build is a good starter for cycle?

@@MrUuuuu123 I'm not the best person to ask about initial phases of the game, I only play legacy. But I think this build does good at leveling too. You can always run generic throwing build with umbral blade and then switch

@@eliel77 I see ok thank you for you help. It’s nice seeing your high corruption vids. I usually refer to them once I hit emp monos for that class! Looking forward to many other diff classes

Hard to tell, because ward is getting modified, probably some ways of getting ward will be nerfed. Also lot of skills and damage will be nerfed, but since we are Bladedancer using acid flask (and not falconer) maybe we can survive the Hammer nerf 🤓

About conversion and acid flask. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4Oqf5mjmp2Lm7Msi=d5ZCgk1n3xf8tOOL This person tested it a lot, knowledge of immunity works fine, but contamination doesn't work. I think it should be converted too but don't know if devs will change (fix) it. With +1 or +3 points to acid flask I put only one point in armor shred. I think it provides enough shred, but I didn't extensively tested it. With +3 I generally complete +4 in corrosive (+40% damage). All more damage are very good and much better than increased damage. But it's a good test to change for firebomb cocktail and see the results. Although I think it's hard to measure and a bit subjective, there are so many flat damage sources, so many damage modifiers I think the final result with both will be similar.

@@eliel77 I did test the firebomb. Didn't do more dmg. I think "knowledge of immunity" is bugged, since it goes SO MUCH more damage, since I just have 78% poison resist. Or maybe it also converts to cold, and goes cold resist and we have a lot because of our gloves.

I think your weapon is perfect, all the 4 affixes I would choose too with T7 crit mult. You need +3 or +4 or +5 attunement if you are using the relic and volatile ice. It's huge increased cold damage. And I generally put it in rings. So the first one ring go in order of importance 1- T7 throwing and - mana cost 2 - attunement 3- cold resistance (gives ward and increase damage, more penetration) 4 - HP 5- mana regen 6 - increased cold damage 7- throwing attack speed Or something you are missing (for ex critical strike avoidance)

@@ricardoferreira1946 it's converted to cold resistance, if using volatile ice. Your cold resistance gives cold pen, aí think it's working as intended

Throwing attack speed can be tricky, it's interesting as an affix to ring but you have some good other sources to get attack speed (mainly passives) and in hard bosses you generally run out of mana if attacking non stop. It's always a balance of mana Regen and attack speed. Unless you get experimental affix to gain mana in belts (I didn't find a good one yet), my experience shows that increasing mana Regen a lot does not help much to sustain the mana, in this particular build. You need something that regain mana massively (low life shift + experimental affix). So I just go to +11 or +12 mana Regen. If you have +18 I think you sacrificed some important affixes that could give you more damage or more survivability.

Sorry I just use a general filter that fit every class

@@eliel77 ok thanks ill find something

Im no longer playing the umbral blades version, I switched to Dancing Strikes, its much better. This one was use sync strike, and spam umbral blades do do the damage. Net to help survavibility anytime possible, and shift as usual. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGepZJqKgs6CeKM more hp, more damage, currently doing 800 corruption with it, going to 1k

hello. with my gameplay you can go with throwing attack speed second prefix, and HP + cold resistance suffixes. Anything will improve the build. If you hit the cold R or HP I think it would be better, since we have good damage already. But speed is also nice, increases your dps and faster boss kill. You can go second options too, if your build needs it. Maybe mana regen for the second prefix in one of the rings, or maybe 30% or higher crit avoidance for suffix. If you hit crit avoidance you can get flat HP or cold resistance on helmet. If I change my mana regen ring I think I need at least one mana regen suffix somewhere else. Im trying to go around 12 mana regen with this build (obvious choice would be belt prefix)

@@eliel77 I have 2 lp3 and a bunch of lp2. One of them I should go attunement to reach same int, for the ulc relic.

​@@ricardoferreira1946Yep Forgot the attunement detail. You can get attunement on relic too, but it's harder to drop since it needs to be normal relic and not rogue relic. You're one lucky bastard 😅 I'm farming tons of rings and I can't find one 3LP one, my dream right now.

@@eliel77 yeah, I crafted one and forgot it. Remembered when I read on the description of the video.

@@eliel77 We will see, need to slam it first xD. Find and craft good -5 mana rings too.

Yeah, I left my marksman (300c) for this one, but I don't regret it. Playing volatile ice and Bladedancer is fun (a lot).

@@eliel77 well cant agree with u more :D

I could never, marksman is too good.

I have plans to come back to my runemaster (lightning sparks or something with frost claw) And starting from scratch a spellblade (flame reave based maybe) or a bleed falconer. But not on cycle, playing just legacy.

theres a idol where you can get for one extra trap also more throw speed.

@@lijack0819 yep it's an interesting option for damage and I haven't fully tested it yet. When in higher corruption I can figure out it better if it's worth giving up 2 HP + cold resist idols

😃 still trying to figure out the damage. I haven't got it in the best way yet. Later on the Ucenui Sphere will help a lot but there is something I'm missing even without it to increase my boss fight / killing . Currently with ~420% CRIT multiplier, ~400% inc cold damage and around 99 flat throwing damage.

@@eliel77 so the whole point of this build is convert acid flask into cold and using the Knowledge of Immunity from acid flask skill tree to get huge cold penetration from stacking cold resist(i know it doesn't say but it works)and same time we getting ward retention from cold resist as well. i know there is a dual crit version from others without taking this node, but i think this is the right way to build it. right now i have no interest in any pushing corruption with this build or falconer or warlock....because the game is a big mess.i will be uploading one more vid for this build also a planner for the fire version(more tanky)and im done.

@@lijack0819 yeah, game got messed up a lot this first cycle. I'll just play and min/max my existing builds now because I really like doing so. Can't wait for the fire version, awesome 😎. About the conversion, today I'm going to test those nodes I didn't take yet in acid flask, early on there was some doubts if they work or not, if everything would convert to cold, I imagined that if you have took those nodes might be a good reason. Thanks for the heads up. Still doing some tests, I changed cold resist blessing for cold shred (got a juicy 49%) but I might come back to cold resistance if we are stacking cold pen.