One of the best comments on here to date, thanks!

They both have their place and that's how I do it most of the time, BEFORE I get stuck.

Habits. I've never been able to do a camelback/hydration pouch. I have them, use them very rarely.

That works.

Thanks!

And with a new pickup the ONLY choice I have is chaining up the rear, not sure if I'm going to be a fan of that or not.

Thanks!

It works for me.

CounterAssault makes a hard sided storage container with a screw on lid, that might be the better way to go if you can't DIY one.

@@406MountainBoys thanks so much

Were you able to find a solution that worked for you?

I did an update to my chest rig video a little while ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnOnaXSaiJmZkMk. Also, check out Ron Spomer's podcast #354 where he talks with Phil Shoemaker and that can put some more real world perspective on whether a 9mm is sufficient kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3KxemmLYrh_atEsi=E8Zr8tPSUdQbJBb8. Short answer, I have a 10mm but it's not always necessary.

yep, it might need a little shake or gink but works well.

Yep, still working for me and still have yet to find another that works with my rig the way I want it to. if only my Galco Fletch could ride on the chest rig next to the bear spray!!

Do you recommend an alternative holster for this chest panel?

@@joeljacobsen1180 Vedder “light tucks” are better than anything else. Not bulky, adjustable height and can’t angle with spring steel metal clip. It will never break. Inside area of the kydex when it contacts with the gun is polished smooth like a waxed new car paint job. Once you buy Vedder light tuck, you’ll never buy anything else for appendix IWB carry.

Thanks!@@colt10mmsecurity68

This kind of setup may not work for you then. Thanks for the comment through!

While access to the pistol might be a requirement, the placement of your optics might just be preference... Priorities.

I agree, that 147gr HC is no slouch! Deeper penetration just because of the smaller frontal diameter, that I'm a little sceptical of because it's running about half the ft-lbs of energy of the 10mm HC loads. That's where the .357 Mag fits into that goldilocks zone of smaller frontal diameter with the velocity edge. I had a "better" woods gun all the time before I got the Glock 20, it's just heavier, harder to shoot well with these kinds of loads and only has a five shot cylinder.

Ron Spomer has been doing doing a series of bear videos this month you might want to check out. Here's one where he's talking with Phil Shoemaker in Alaska who put Buffalo Bore's 147gr hardcast to the test kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3KxemmLYrh_atEsi=E8Zr8tPSUdQbJBb8.

There's more more moose out there than bears but how many people (besides us) would watch a video titled Moose Chest Rig? I finally justified the 10mm to myself because I was doing so many solo hunts this year (which is probably riskier than being in bear country anyway).

And yeah, the Glock 20 shoots great! 10mm cult isn't such a bad place to be.

I might try their other duty holsters with a thumb release. Not as many options for the fullsize frames, and they only seem to come in black which means it would be time to bust out the coating tools. I get what you're saying about finger placement but NDs/ADs happen regardless of the holster if the shooter has their finger on the trigger or in the trigger guard when they shouldn't. It's a training and proficiency issue. We've had this same conversation before.

Recommendations?

You're welcome!

Yep! Nothing there I disagree with.

Good to see another 406-er on YT. We're kinda rare. 👍

Let's hope it stays that way!

@@406MountainBoys Agreed. The great ice border, otherwise known as "winter" tends to weed most people out after a couple years. I've seen it happen so many times. They always start with great enthusiasm.. heh heh.. 🥶

​@406MountainBoys It's not gonna stay that way dont kid yourself. The gigs up in MT. Everyone wants to be a poser in MT now. Four gas cans and powder coated hi lift jacks on every jeep. These people moving here don't know what being good Montanan is. Sad to see the Flathead over ran the way it has been.

you bet!

When you're putting on your rubber tighteners, start at the bottom. It's a lot easier to stand up and then pull it upward to hook them rather than pulling them down. You have the advantage of using your leg strength and it's a much more natural position to pull up/lift so to speak. I cut those extra links of chain off when I'm fitting my chains to the vehicle. When fitting them or learning how to put them on for the first time, it's best done in summer or spring, before you actually need your chains. Then you have a bit of experience/confidence and it goes smoothly when you need them. Knowing the draping method is good because if you get unexpectedly stuck that's the only way you're going to get them on and get out since you can't drive onto them. I hate to say it but.. this is "Old Guy" advice from Montana. 😅

on a side pocket of my pack where they're handy or thigh pocket on my pants.

Posted an update video a few weeks ago that showed where I carry the binos, worked ok last hunting season. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnOnaXSaiJmZkMk

Thanks for the comment. I agree that they might be easier but this set of chains has been going for 20+ years without breaking. Not sure the diamond style you're referring to are as robust and will last as long, the ones I've seen so far don't look as tough. When I need my chains I don't want to wonder if they'll fail and leave me in a predicament.

You're welcome

Glad you're finding it useful.

You didn't watch the whole vid I guess, I discussed that. I was in moose country more than bear and bear spray is the better option anyhow IMO.

All it takes is once.

You must of never seen a bull moose close up if you think he’s over prepared.

I don't like keeping them around my neck or in a chest harness. Little 8x40s live in a thigh pocket or the side pocket of my pack.

Just search Condor Mag pouch.

Upgraded to a Mystery Ranch bear spray holster to go on the rig. Just posted an update video yesterday if you're interested.

you bet!

Thanks for the comment. I agree, whatever works for you is the way to go!

Glad you liked it!

you bet!

I like the paint idea!

And you don't want the rear end kicking out on you going downhill.

When in doubt, chain up all 4.

Glad to hear it!

You're welcome

My opinion is that chains should always be as tight as possible, if you throw one there's potential for damage and opens the door to all kinds of unpleasantness. The tread of your tire probably has more to do with how well the mud will clear out. if there's enough clay in the mud and the road turns to gumbo it's a balancing act of enough speed to clear the tread but staying in control.

@@406MountainBoys Thank you for your learned reply! Cheers...

Be careful. My chains were tight (but not tight enough) and above 20 mph they flexed out and caught my mud flaps and tore them up really good. If you have tons of clearance you might be fine. My clearance is decent (stock Tundra) but still had problems.

@@tonypaterson4785 Did you drive for a short distance to ensure they were seated & checked & adjusted any slack?

yeah I have a small beat up tarp for that purpose too, of course I didn't use it when I did the video.

At that point get a set of tracks. probably wouldn't have enough clearance on the front for the plow though.

@@406MountainBoys Chains are a Fraction of the cost of Tracks, An no clearance..

you bet!

still using this setup two or three years later now. the biggest drawback I've found is managing my layers when I get too hot or too cold.

posted an update video, changed things up just tad last fall.

This wasn't my best example but I tend to go a little crazy getting good audio.

if it was frozen I wouldn't trust it afterwards, I would use it as a practice canister after that. I try to be careful about storing canisters with temperature extremes. That said I have worn it on cold mornings below freezing and haven't worried too much because it wasn't stored below freezing and being in my chest rig it probably gets enough heat from my body to function ok.

It has just enough cant to draw just fine. It rides a little lower that it seems too which helps. To give you an idea the sternum strap of my pack is above the rig.

That's fair, but I think you missed the point of knowing the areas you're going into and upgunning if necessary, also having bear spray, and not going into bear country alone. In my mind the sidearm is secondary to making good decisions.

@@406MountainBoys I'll echo it. I think 9mm is a bit sketchy for bear, moose, elk, etc. Only data I have to back that up isn't even data I have access to for reviewing, but that a surgeon looked at all the human shooting data he could get, and found .380Auto to be the smallest cartridge that would deliver on humans before results dropped off hard. .380 isn't much smaller than 9mm. LE trade in .40S&W pistols are cheap, including Glock and S&W M&P ones. Might be a much better choice, and a lot more likely to get through thicker muscle and bone of the bigger animals. Turns out even FMJ might be better for the purpose than HP/JHP bullets, as better penetration needed than on humans. Idk about your rounds specifically, but 147gr is the (generally) largest and slowest of the 9mm bullets. Without going hotter at least, 124gr is the most optimal velocity vs weight to deliver maximum foot/pound force to target. If going +P or needing less penetration (humans), can see going ~135gr like some companies make for their 'self defense' ammo.

@cavscout888 the heavy for caliber bullet with hard cast construction is EXACTLY what you want for a woods round, even in 9mm. I don't want to make this into a personal attack but everything you wrote I think applies fine to your self defense carry round but falls flat when it comes to the outdoors. Go to Buffalo Bore's website and read what they have to say, they explain it better than I can here in a quick reply.

You can get all/most of the pieces from Amazon, that's what I did.

always a good time to learn and get outside

Probably has to do with clearances, gearing or traction control.

yep, forgot to show that tip.