Thanks. I wish I could fully and permanently retain my sense of smell one day.

me in UN? can you explain?

that would depend on the writing, which I doubt, if they used the same writers as they did with the first game, it would be just ellie and joel hanging out again. They have a number of issues to work out, on top of the new settlement, etc, I gave some examples in my other comment

Neil Drunkman wrote the first game.@@danzwku

@@MadSkillz76 yup, like I said, I think in this livestream and in the comments, perhaps under this video and others, I mean the every single writer that wrote the first game, not anyone more and not anyone less, with the same authority dynamics within that writers room. Just my opinion

haha he's old enough, but he just didn't conventionally look old enough to be a father of a teenager. It's obviously possible, he would've had the kid when he was 20, which happens

Just want to clarify that I said writer(S), meaning, the exact same people who wrote Part 1, not missing or adding a single person that was or wasn't there, PLUS with the same power dynamics between the writers in the writers room, because that's what made Part 1 Part 1. Just my opinion.

That's true, I do think that Ellie would've given consent anyway but we never know now right. Yes, she says she would after but in that moment when she's 14, what would she have thought. That's the fun part about this is the "what if", that's what Neil liked about leaving it up to the audience, what they believe the characters thought, leaving it up to interpretation. I really respect how hard they worked on this game and very carefully carving out the story, yes even Joel's death scene was carefully thought out, some people actually don't believe that lol. And no, slowly killing Joel didn't help anything either, but I probably would've done the same thing, or like to think I would, at least kill them immediately. Would I have felt better afterwards? I can't say I would... and I think that's the lesson here, would killing Abby make all of Ellie's problems go away? No, she would only be continuing the cycle of violence. I think it would make her feel worse, knowing she left Lev without anybody, and maybe would even make Lev hunt down Ellie. I don't know though. If you get the reference, it wouldn't make the lambs stop screaming. Letting it all go is the only way, which is hard, but takes time. Easier said than done though. So in the end, I'm glad Ellie didn't kill Abby because I think she finally realized that. Something else though we don't know, did Abby killing Joel make her lambs stop screaming? Or did she also keep having PTSD afterwards, thinking of her dad, and we just didn't get to see it? I don't want to think Abby got over it quickly like all of her problems were solved right after committing that horrible murder on Joel. And yeah I guess I shouldn't say Abby was all good but, I think she was one of the most sound of mind, next to Jessie and Dina to be honest, since Abby wasn't on a whole murder spree, she was only out for one person and that was going to be the end of it. I love talking about this game and seeing the different points of views. And yeahh you were a bit hard to hear in that livestream but it's all good! xD

Thanks for commenting; I respect your opinion. Yeah like I said it was pretty obvious that that's what they were trying to do, forcing you to empathize and see the point of view of "the enemy". I just personally don't love it when it's so obvious/transparent what the creator is trying to force/try to do. Some points I'd add though. You could argue that it was wrong for her to want revenge in the first place, just like it was wrong for Joel to kill her dad; however, Abby's dad was going to take Ellie's life without her consent. Yes, it was for a vaccine, (we're not entirely sure if it would have worked but we can assume it would), but Ellie didn't even have the chance to think about it, she wasn't even consulted about whether or not she consented to having her life be sacrificed. They could have even just asked her, and if she was willing, (which btw I think a lot of people would agree that Ellie might have actualy been completely willing to sacrifice herself for the vaccine, maybe even as a tribute to Riley, which makes all of this very interesting) great, she consented, Joel doesn't get a say because it's her life, and everyone gets a vaccine. But they didn't. So I wouldn't say that Abby's dad was completely innocent either. It would've even been better if let's say that Ellie said no, that they just knocked her out and killed her to get the vaccine anyway; at least they asked. So I think Abby torturing (Joel didn't tortue Abby's dad) Joel slowly, and then killing to seek revenge, which doesn't help anyone, isn't the same and possibly even worse than Joel killing Abby's dad when Abby was going to use Ellie's life without her consent, killing her. Joel * could * have just knocked Abby's dad out, and the other two surgeons (that's optional for the player so we can ignore that), and just taken Ellie out. Also, Ellie was right there, * begging * Abby not to kill Joel, * everyone * could see how much agony Ellie was in, and she did it anyway. I think we could all agree that if Abby was right there begging Joel not to kill her dad, Joel might've gotten a flashback of the soldier killing Joel's daughter Sarah, even though Joel begged, "Please....." I think Joel would have just knocked the doctor out. Abby didn't. She saw Ellie in agony and struck Joel's head with a golf club. Abby also said, "you don't get to rush this", torturing Joel to death for her * own * catharsis, whereas Joel just killed Abby's dead immediately in order to get Ellie out. Also, Joel also saved Abby's life. Abby would have been dead or turned into an infected were it not for Joel. That has to count for something. They could have made some sort of deal that would have actually helped people instead of just revenge for personal selfish catharsis. Like, tying Joel and Tommy up, and demanding a huge amount of resources from Tommy's dam/settlement for Abby's settlement (I forgot what their civilization was called, ex fireflies?) Joel having saved Abby's life, she could have said, "You killed my father. I demand serious and sufficient compensation that will satisfy me. What will it be?" It could've been anything that could have helped Abby's civilization instead of selfish catharsis, and a lot of her own friends would've lived. Yeah, Ellie was wrong to have slipped so far, and to gone so far, but it's because of Abby. So personally I don't see it as black and white as Abby just being the good guy in all of this. I love Laura Bailey too! And it was wrong that she received hate and death threats, and even more wrong that her child received them too. I'm a very casual gamer, I actually don't game much at all, almost all of my gaming is what you see on my account here, but from what I have played, Naughty Dog has and likely will always be my favourite game developer/company. I made some further comments in the 2nd most recent livestream I did, but it's a bit hard to hear.

Ellie’s mum is dead so this doesn’t make sense

I never said "there are ppl out there that could write a better story and plot" . These things are subjective, and I've said, it's fine that people have different opinions. But I definitely don't think what you've suggested are the only alternatives. I also don't think this is worth arguing about. Art is subjective. Subjective to the individual. So every individual has their own take.

It's been a long time since I've revisited the ending of this game and I was under the influence during this stream :P When/where did they say this? Ru saying a Tommy game wouldn't take place after the events of Part 2? Because the last thing I remember was Tommy wanting Ellie to join him to get Abbey

Good job man

Are you going to re-release or?coz yeah it’s really low

@@gersonjr2560 unfortunately you can't selectively adjust different audio sources post stream, I'm sorry =( I'm watching it back and it's watchable/audible if you turn up your volume when I speak, but then you'd have to turn it back down for the doc and I know that's a hassel. Sorry :S

@@danzwku Okay no problem.🫶🏽

Thank you for your kind words! You can find Part 2 on my 'channel' as well!

@@danzwku On episode 2 as we speak. 😄

Minge

Minge? Ok thank you, makes sense. I didn't even know that word, it just sounds like "minch" to me if I heard him saying it. It's obviously not my native language. As far as I know The Minch is some strait in the Irish sea or wherever, so I thought it's maybe slang for "a cleft" or something. Still stupid, still learning. 👋

No problem! It's slang for a woman's pubic hair/genitals. Which explains the coughing up a fur ball 😄

This is not a covering. The song is called "the play is over".