Stupid. Virtually everything he said is false.

Man, this is an interesting proposition, but I couldn't disagree more. If you track any events from Chinese history, it's clearly visible that a lot of times that philosophical background had really nothing to do with how people acted. China is the country with probably most numerous wars, endless cycle of unifying and splitting apart, without learning on previous mistakes, and countless bloodsheds caused by greed, pride and opportunism. I don't have a good answer, but I'd bet on something more akin to biggest conformism in chinese society, the culture of face and obsession about reputation. I think european culture is more... pragmatic in it's approach, people do things to get benefits out of it, in a pretty cynical way, while in chinese history it was more about how things "seem" to be, which often were sufficient to disperse people motivation to do stuff. It's hard to put into words, and it's not a hill I'd die on, but the most resonable explanation why those two approaches differed. It's good to remember that Zhang He journeys started as a statement of the these times current emperor to legitimize his taking over the throne. After all, if all neighbouring countries and your own people see the mighty fleet like that, it's hard not to feel respect for you and your power, regardless of the way you actually got to it. In modern terms, it's like building up a good PR to legitimize what you do. Also China typical to itself, treated themselves as the center of the universe and the most important place in the world. With the culture of face in work, it's no wonder they often did not stoop so low to actually conquer far away lands, as at least in their minds they were already tributaries to the most important empire in the world, and from practical point of view, managing such a territory would be pain in the butt logistically. It's a pretty egotistical and narcisstic view on one's country, but taking into account the history and geography I can understand it, it's somewhat rational, because there isn't any natural enemy. After all, the Roman Empire in Europe acted similar, and people to these days claim to inherit a lot of it in their own countries, which has nothing to do with Roman culture or heritage.

@Humane Economics has also made this decode. Happy to share and compare notes

Climate crisis is pure bollocks

So inspiring! Thank you so much

The idea that YOUR image of the so-called ecological future is exactly what Bayo is speaking about. What if you can't control, know, understand what future is "good"?

Thank you for this gathering

MTNHRK

The GPI is nice, but the Doughnut is a better compass. I'm not sure the UN will ever be fit for purpose based as it is on unaccountable undemocratic (including so-called democracies) nation states. Saying a more muscular UN will control the global commons will likely turn a lot of people off. We need something more like a fractally scaled-up collaboration between Bioregional communities.

Blockchains are very unlikely to be part of an ecological civilisation as they are incredibly slow and energy intensive. Community currencies, yes, blockchains, no. Crypto currency mining is already using over 2% of US electricity, more than all the EVs combined. Thankfully there are plenty of non-blockchain based ways to organise a community currency, including different types of distributed ledgers that aren't so energy intensive.

Commons are better defined as David Bollier brilliantly explains in his must-read book 'Think Like a Commoner' According to David a “commons” is: “a resource + a community + a set of social protocols” p15 “commons = resources + community + the rules and norms for managing them” p141 “a commons arises whenever a given community decides it wishes to manage a resource in a collective manner, with special regard to equitable access, use and sustainability.” p175

why not speak to the expert .

Varela❤❤❤

This is such an enlightening and life-giving conversation. The rupture, the cracks, spillage, secretions...it is all so sensuous. Thank you Bayo for bringing these stories, curiosities and ways of beings together.

My third time to see this. Thrilling!

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Paradigm-shifting conversation. Thank you so much for sharing.

Thank you.

I agree with the visions and values presented. Our inner work, our living ecologically, and our ability to love and respect those we may disagree with, is hard, and needed, and at the same time some political progress needs to be made. This progress is powered by social movements and by small and large organizations, but also by voting because of the need to move in the right direction soon, as well as (perhaps more gradually) transform human consciousness and willingness, even in businesses, to voluntarily move toward the greater transformation we need. And right now, it means voting blue now and to support blue candidates, even if Democrats are inadequate, and I say that as a former member of the Green Party. But we face a strong, deliberate, well-financed and systemically-advantaged reactionary movement determined to keep the old ways in power over us and to stoke the old worldviews and ideologies, and if it is allowed to triumph and impose itself through the power of the current Republican Party, we won't get to move further forward as we wish. So we need to act on all these levels in all these ways, respectful and cooperative as we can be with others we know, difficult as that might be, without being naive about how easy this change is going to be, and how powerful and deaf-blind to reality the opposition still is. Individual actions and changes alone are drops in the bucket, so I don't feel that is enough to make the change we need fast enough.

This ignoramus is clueless; The Selfish Gene is as relevant now as ever.

we know the solution to this problem. That solution absolutely is not acceptable to people with 6+ figure incomes streaming their opinions on $$$ cutting edge technology. It is to transfer wealth as a per capita percentage to the poor nations. Which means you..and we in the wealthy nations no longer control all the power and wealth

Such an important conversation. Thank you for sharing.

Common Sense 1. There can be no "arbiter of Truth". 2. Censoring "disinformation" is an abrogation of Free Speech and is treason. 3. There was no Jan. 6 "insurrection". Cambridge Dictionary: an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government or ruler and take control of the country, usually by violence. There were no weapons to speak of. Once inside, the protesters walked around like gawking yokels. 4. People who got "covid 19" got it again, so if natural immunity doesn't work, why would a vaccine, which also didn't work, since people who were vaccinated got it again. So, one must ask: Why do they insist on the vaccine? and vaccine mandates? 5. Why was a vaccine the only solution, when all virologists know that the coronavirus mutates like crazy? And why were all remedies made illegal? 6. Extreme wealth can be used to corrupt anything or anyone and if someone refuses to submit to bribes or blackmail, that same money can be used to contract an assassin (kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZrPqXxsecyir5o). The solution: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rarafpuda5VnjZo 7. The Warren Commission investigating the assassination of JFK was headed by Allen Dulles who Kennedy had fired from head of the CIA and who had ties with Hitler (ahrp.org/pivotal-role-of-allen-dulles-in.../). 8. The media in the USA and elsewhere are controlled by an oligarchy (www.forbes.com/.../these-15-billionaires-own.../...), (en.wikipedia.org/.../Concentration_of_media...). Operation Mockingbird (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird). It would be great if others offered more examples of absurd and obvious lies that people glibly and gullibly accept, which I am sure there are many.

32mins in: There is a name for what you are talking about: "Communism" and I am up for it 🙂

To be frank I decided to not buy this book based on this interview. Jeremy, are you in touch with Nate Hagens? I think he would benefit from your work, and yours would deepen with this connection.

This book is my absolute everything. This is healing me and my small corner in NZ. Thankyou so much for your mahi. 💛

Thanks for the excellent discussion. Creating local economic resilience and community support require skills that most of us have lost as subjects of global corporate capitalism. Relearning these skills is vital. We should establish a global network of Eco-villages that function as schools for these skills. Among the areas of hands on study are: regenerative agriculture, permaculture, low energy and zero waste lifestyle, ecological restoration, low cost building techniques, handcrafting utilitarian items, localized cultural expression, communal cooking, eco-philosophy spiritualism, interpersonal problem solving, and participatory governance techniques. Until now eco-villages and intentional communities have taken years to establish and grow. We need to formalize the process to develop them much faster. Only by creating environments that are free from the dictates of the global economic system can we demonstrate a practical alternative.

Fascinating ... a bit "heady" and I keep wondering what would have happened if indigenous wisdom keepers and complex systems thinkers, especially women, had been invited to join this..

Useful and inspiring webinar! Thank you Jeremy and you all.

At this moment I am busy reading your book and turning each page hope grows in me. I have been waiting since 1996, while doing my masters in Environmental Education at the University of Stellenbosch in South Africa, for a book like this. Thank you so much for writhing it.

Thanks for sharing this conversation, Jeremy!

What an amazing conversation!

Keep up the good work my friend! By the way, Restoring the Kinship Worldview is now on Audible

You are a good man, Jeremy, speaking truth to power. Instead of whitewashing structural exploitation, as so many do...

capitalism is institutionalised psychopathy. Resulting in widespread sociopathy.

Ruining other peoples property by dumping garbage and pollution has nothing to do with capitalism and actually denies the foundational principle of nonaggression

This book is an incredible masterpiece. Thank you dearly and looking forward to read your new book. It has been a great source of inspiration in my research surrounding the evolution of belief and the rise of symbolic behavior since the dawn of humanity as a conscious observer. Many blessings and I hope more and more will be touched by the depth of your work.

I'm so glad that you have posted this salient exchange concerning the limits of materialism. I have no idea why there is so little attention paid to this channel and to its critical thought. We would be far happier as a species if we recognized ways to develop eudaimonia and human flourishing through empathy for all sentient life.

I've come to believe When faced with a choice The right choice Is always to choose life In all things big and small If you support life Life will support you

The problem is, that everybody wants to be rich. Everybody understands, that it can't and won't last forever, but we all think ok, if only just I can became rich, we can start changing the economic system to a more sustaniable one. Right after I get filthy rich.

Thanks for this. Great talk. I am not sure though that the leaders we need now should be ... not white, northern men whatever .... but indigenous women etc. That's a bit like banning people with a criminal record from working with youth (I mean the logic of it ) I don't think it works that way and I am very cautious about this thing of putting down (white )men which so enthusiastically is often done. At the end of the day that's cheap too. And who says white European men can't have "indigenous" wisdom ? ... wisdom that comes from belonging to a place ? it's dangerous to think that way ... because it does not implicate white European men

Thanks, a far better way to live. The challenge is how we we move away from the current wealth and power focus and change beliefs that have come conditioned to believing the solution to everything is more growth and more wealth. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Brilliant presentation. Thank you, Mr Lent. When you hear someone say "Don't just criticise, Where are your answers?" direct them here.

This account is so compelling and clear. I wish it included a recognition that the perpetrators of the culture in question were patriarchally conditioned men - an equally important variable along side human supremacy. Nonetheless, this is a very helpful teaching for understanding what's happening in our world.

These are ideas worth spreading! Thank you Jeremy!! The envisioning starts at 16:22 (if you are much aware and want to skip the awful diagnosis)

NZ and Aus both gave women the vote before UK in the late 19th C

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Video is Short and sweet. In 20+ years of voyages Cheng He never founded ONE! city. No New Shanghai, no New Beijing etc. etc.. No claiming territories in the name of the Empire or the Emperor. No kidnapping natives to bring home and show off like zoo animals. No introduction of foreign organisms on purpose. (Most people don’t know that even the grasses in the Americas are European! Native New World grasses hang on in only a few places) The British in particular introduced dozens of European species of birds for no other reason than to make themselves feel at home. Two books by Charles Mann “1491” and “1493” detail the state of the Americans just before and just after Columbus. The contrast between the two men and the two cultures couldn’t be more stark. The Chinese could have easily overwhelmed the world with the superior numbers and technologies but incredibly, in hindsight, it seems to have never occurred to them. The Western Europeans on the other hand….

Nice to hear such well spoken individuals. Living in the backwoods of New Hampshire I often long for such articulate and thoughtful discussions as this. That being said I do think that the chicken kept escaping hungry ax wielder. In Japan a friend of mine, a musician I played with for quite a few years and someone who is influenced by the Hopi tales/teachings questioned if we are entering the "Great Purge" that has been a part of some legends. He thought not. Being a Facebook exchange it is sparse. "The "great purge" has already begun. It will unfold over the next few decades. Life will be getting increasingly difficult around the globe. All the paradigms that have served our human social orders for the past 2000/ 3000 years will be questioned as they will have proven to be too toxic, too egocentric. Watch out hard times are coming. William Blake said "It will be a narrow neck. It will be a shedding." My hope is that with lighter bodies and souls some can make it through and that the process becomes the birthing of the new human. It will take a plasticity of mind that we don't have yet. As Terence McKenna one said "if you suddenly came upon a woman in the throes of labor you would surely think she was having a medical emergency. If you didn't know that this was in a organic process you would believe she was dying from her screams, her contortions, the blood and the pure violence of it all." Birth is not an easy or painless process. Here is to the questioning, the change, the evolution. Here is to the birthing.

I deeply enjoyed the yarn, especially the notion around language, the limitation of the English language, and the need for more using more verbs than nouns, which is indeed not easy in English. Much gratitude! 🙏🏼