5 Hot Takes About The Wedding Film Industry
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@blackstacie_ibe
@blackstacie_ibe 4 сағат бұрын
The wedding industry was so difficult for me. I hate it. I admire those of you who have made it work for yourself
@7RYMS
@7RYMS 16 сағат бұрын
Hi Wayward North, thanks for your video.We'd like to discuss the possibility of working with you. What should we do? Can we reach you through your email? Thanks.
@kowalskivideos6476
@kowalskivideos6476 Күн бұрын
Trends will continue in the wedding video industry. I started in 2009 (15 years ago) and while Philip bloom style canon 5d videos were starting to take off, my clients simply just wanted their event captured long form and get footage of the day. The videos were an hour long or even more and people loved just getting all this content. Flash forward years later we give them a 5-10 minute video for 2-5k that barely shows large portions of the day that couples I’m sure want to see and maybe couples are realizing this. Is the raw long form videos making a comeback? Maybe party rock and Gangnam style will be popular again too
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 13 сағат бұрын
Great perspective! Thank you so much for sharing
@BenjiSelby
@BenjiSelby Күн бұрын
Oooof that 1.8 is tempting for sure. I think I like the versatility of the 24-70, but having a lens like this is great to keep your setup light and keep you nimble.
@KAPhotography
@KAPhotography Күн бұрын
Hell no
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
Okie dokie
@MikeAnthonyPhotography
@MikeAnthonyPhotography Күн бұрын
but how do we know that the photographer also did the video stuff for them ...and mybe that is why they got paid 40k ? ....i know alot of photographer who can also do or provide videos ...so mybe they just put 0 cuz it was already covered in the price for the photo stuff ?
@davidbrytus2089
@davidbrytus2089 Күн бұрын
Id rather just use a fast 35mm f1.4 prime lens. 28mm - 45mm just isn't enough and Id be swapping lenses anyway. 35mm prime and 70-200 is probably the way to go.
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
That’s a good combo! I like to experiment every so often. It all depends on your style, is 1.8 low enough, is 28-45 versatile enough, most people want 24 to atleast 50, some want wider and longer, so yeah using lenses that meet those requirements for you and checks off your boxes is important snd will be different for each filmmaker
@festivisionstudios8789
@festivisionstudios8789 Күн бұрын
Have fun recalling a million dollar wedding from memory....try explaining to people all the moments the video would have captured
@SJYangProduction
@SJYangProduction Күн бұрын
Mines arriving in a few hours. Can’t wait
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
That is awesome! I really enjoyed using this lens. I gotta send it back sadly but I will definitely be picking one up 💪
@yourdaybylucas_
@yourdaybylucas_ Күн бұрын
Great review! Glad you mentioned the crop mode. Even at 1.5x the depth of field will be slightly shallower then a 2.8 using the full sensor. Think I'm going to purchase this guy and get rid of my 35 + 50
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
Its an awesome lens! Thanks so much for watching
@gioshravan
@gioshravan Күн бұрын
Primes are always Better Using a prime lens forces photographers to move around and think more about composition and framing, which can lead to more creative and thoughtfully composed shots.
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
Totally primes are great for that - I even mention in this video treating this lens like a prime for that exact reason will serve you even better. Every lens has its purpose and design to fit a specific look and need. One gives you a sharper image, a blurrier background, the other gives you versatility and depth. Each has their place 💪
@gioshravan
@gioshravan Күн бұрын
@@WaywardNorth Absolutely, you make a valid point about each lens having its own purpose and advantages. However, I still firmly believe that prime lenses hold a special edge, especially when it comes to honing photographic skills and achieving superior image quality. Prime lenses generally offer sharper images and wider apertures compared to zoom lenses, allowing for stunning bokeh and low-light performance. This sharpness and clarity are often unmatched, providing a level of detail and depth that zoom lenses struggle to replicate. Moreover, the fixed focal length of primes forces photographers to be more deliberate with their composition. This restriction can foster creativity and a deeper understanding of framing and perspective. It pushes us to move around and explore different angles, leading to more thoughtfully composed shots. While the Sigma 28-45mm f/1.8 is undoubtedly versatile and high-quality, I find that the discipline and precision required by prime lenses make them invaluable tools for any serious photographer. They teach you to work within constraints and truly master the art of photography, rather than relying on the convenience of a zoom. In my experience, the unique characteristics and superior performance of prime lenses often outweigh the benefits of versatility. They might require a bit more effort and thought, but the results are undeniably worth it. & I am your fan love your videos
@benjamin.kelley
@benjamin.kelley Күн бұрын
A 35-135 f1.8 would be a dream lens.
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
Preachhhh
@Wildridefilms
@Wildridefilms Күн бұрын
Would weigh 4kg lol
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
@@Wildridefilms yeah it would be insane haha
@meyerdigitalfilm
@meyerdigitalfilm 11 сағат бұрын
You would need to put that on a tank to use it :D
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 11 сағат бұрын
@@meyerdigitalfilm 😂
@mertkaracayil
@mertkaracayil Күн бұрын
I will stick to a 24mm 1.4 or a 50mm 1.4. The zoom focal length is unusual. Confused lens.
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
It’s definitely unique but a cool option for some folks!
@Georgeparkerfilm
@Georgeparkerfilm Күн бұрын
how did you solve the grain problem with the 120 fps slomo mode?
@stuARTvideoproductions
@stuARTvideoproductions Күн бұрын
Sigma are bringing some great fast zooms to the table! - Zooms that give you the look of a prime are great for weddings. Having a zoom range really gives you more flexibility in a changing environment. I've got the 35-150mm f2-2.8 lens and its brilliant for the formalities. - its too heavy and big for me to use all day unfortunately but great on tripods for speeches and ceremony
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
Totally! I love my 35-150 and my second shooter always uses this lens while I stick to a 50 prime or in this video the 28-45 which worked wonderfully. Killer combo!
@djgogreen5954
@djgogreen5954 Күн бұрын
No IS? I’m not missing these 3rd party lenses, more than happy with my RF glass and butter IS
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
For sure, third party lenses are more budget friendly and exist for a reason. RF lenses are beautiful but you invest a pretty penny. I love when brands offer comparable solutions for the frugal Filmmaker and still give you great results in the process. But yeah if you have RF GMaster and Native Lens money. Treat yo self!
@djgogreen5954
@djgogreen5954 Күн бұрын
@@WaywardNorth I’m just saying this particular lens is a big F. Some of the shots in the vid are shaky even slowed down. RF stm’s have IS, I’ll take them over a lot of these 3rd party glass… not trying to be negative, your content is dope
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth Күн бұрын
@@djgogreen5954 oh for sure and if I had the budget for GMaster glass I wouldn’t even go third party. But it is nice to have options and there’s always ways around shaky footage (gimbals, monopods, etc)
@coffeewithdamian
@coffeewithdamian 2 күн бұрын
isn't 18-35mm 1.8 better value, it can be used on full frame and got some nice range, still 1.8?
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 2 күн бұрын
The 18-35 is an APS-C lens and you “can” use it on a full frame frame camera but will experience vignetting at 18mm unless your camera has an APS-C mode you can switch it to. So just depends on the camera at that point but the 28-45 is the full frame equivalent give or take a few mm
@benjamin.kelley
@benjamin.kelley Күн бұрын
An 18-35mm also doesn't bode well with most wedding filmmakers, as it's just way too wide and doesn't make people look good.
@coffeewithdamian
@coffeewithdamian Күн бұрын
@@benjamin.kelley it is 27mm on full frame so almost same as 28mm
@coffeewithdamian
@coffeewithdamian Күн бұрын
@@WaywardNorth A7IV has is also half price and weight.
@robvision3888
@robvision3888 2 күн бұрын
Some people elope and want zero evidence
@johnnyt4265
@johnnyt4265 2 күн бұрын
Nice lense, but unfortunately my budget is now low as my 70-200 2.8gm arrived two hours ago 😂
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 2 күн бұрын
Haha well you have a BEAUTIFUL lens with that 70-200 so Id say money well spent. 💪
@IliasKoureas
@IliasKoureas 2 күн бұрын
I think people are overreacting. The Wedding Film Industry is fine and will forever be. It might change a little bit but videography in weddings will be here forever
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 2 күн бұрын
Sure there will always be weddings. This is a larger discussion about the perceived value of where video currently stands and if it will ever be viewed in a more valueable way. The truth is ever since Covid alot of videographers have been in decline. This year more than ever. This is what makes up the industry, people, businesses, some yes are fine, most are not. It’s not overreacting to the people who are struggling and are getting passed by. I think a productive, constructive conversation about how we can be better collectively isn’t an overreaction but a necessary and very important mission. We all want to improve and keep doing what we love right?
@IliasKoureas
@IliasKoureas 2 күн бұрын
@@WaywardNorth valid points. I think I was a bit careless with my original comment. I think less people are also getting married which also affects the industry. In my honest opinion mid level videographers should offer a full package of photography and videography at the same time by working simultaneously with photographers. For example here in Greece 9/10 couples search for a package which includes EVERYTHING (Photo + video). That's why I opened my business with a videographer, so we can offer both services at the same time. Of course that's not how the high end market works but most people are not on that level (myself included).
@Shot_Geek
@Shot_Geek 2 күн бұрын
Hard pass! In the blind ‘want’ to have the fastest full frame zoom and hit f1.8, they have made something that works for no one. 24-50mm f2 at £1200 and everyone would have bought it. Sigma have Proper messed up with this one.
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 2 күн бұрын
Surprisingly I found 28 to be a perfect range for this wedding but I can definitely see how this may not always be the case for every situation. But you make some strong points for sure!
@Shot_Geek
@Shot_Geek 2 күн бұрын
@@WaywardNorth I use the Tamron 28-75mm so I’m happy with 28mm, just find the limits of this range quite.. limiting 😂
@bigwinmedia5100
@bigwinmedia5100 2 күн бұрын
Okay, some thoughts. This or the 1.4 50mm? And mid-day fog?!? Is that a North Carolina thing?
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 2 күн бұрын
Dude thats really tough but I would say it really depends on if you feel .4 makes that much of a difference. I mean love me some primes but the versatility with this lens at 1.8 and still achieving beautiful depth, makes me vote Sigma 28-45 here. Also dude haha the fog was a gift. It was sunny, then it rained, then the fog said, "hello lucky filmmaker, welcome to beauty and mystique."
@benjamin.kelley
@benjamin.kelley Күн бұрын
The Spirit of Mastermind has spoken.
@trill_is_bliss
@trill_is_bliss 2 күн бұрын
I wish it went to at least 50mm. I know the clear image zoom works well but you lose auto focus at that point. 😢
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 2 күн бұрын
I know and thats really the biggest detractor for people but it's a beautiful lens that can be a great asset depending on your end use with it. For me the 1.8 sells the deal and the zoom aspect is a bonus.
@SJYangProduction
@SJYangProduction Күн бұрын
You only lose auto focus for face tracking but auto focus still works.
@BobbyD262
@BobbyD262 2 күн бұрын
Cool lens. Off-topic: I know you're exploring ditching slo-mo in some scenarios. But the problem remains--shooting 60p or faster with appropriate shutter looks bad on a 24p timeline, playing at real-time speed. I wish we had solutions for that. Looks jittery, and possibly like a settings/operator mistake.
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. Id say a simple solution is Gimbal + ND Filter if you still wanted to film in 60. I didn't have the right threads for this wedding since I was testing a new lens so my ND filter wasn't available. I worked with what I had and did what I was comfortable with. I still think it turned out awesome and I know the couple will love the end product and for me that's all that matters.
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 2 күн бұрын
What do you guys think about this new lens from Sigma? Drop em below 👇
@madhumediafilms
@madhumediafilms 2 күн бұрын
The photography package included video. No need to panic .. let’s keep scrolling 👀
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 2 күн бұрын
It didn't tho...back to watching 👀
@axelfoo1
@axelfoo1 2 күн бұрын
What do you think of the DJI mic?
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 2 күн бұрын
It’s great! I’ve used it a few times so far and plan on updating this list of tools soon 💪
@Soul_Visuals_Photography
@Soul_Visuals_Photography 3 күн бұрын
I’m a wedding photographer and I also do some wedding films here n there and we didn’t get a videographer with our wedding last year. Could not afford it or justify it. Videos don’t go on my walls, and I feel like we would watch it a few times and that’s the end of it.
@booth529
@booth529 3 күн бұрын
What ND filter / strength do you typically use for your films?
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 3 күн бұрын
NiSi Swift System/Mist Strength 1/8
@fabiananderle5337
@fabiananderle5337 3 күн бұрын
loved the vid! who are the other two people? do you mind sharing their channels?
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 3 күн бұрын
They are linked in the description
@TimThornburg
@TimThornburg 3 күн бұрын
I like the videos I like you expressing your opinions! I think videographer and Photographer put the meal thing in their contract because like every other job in the US if you work eight hours, you required to have a lunch break even if you don’t want one. At least that’s where I’m usually just sitting at a desk and I normally don’t even want to go walk down to a cafeteria to eat. I’d rather just shorten my working day by continuing work.
@jblanc_
@jblanc_ 3 күн бұрын
Are you shooting with an anamorphic lens?
@AcastroAX
@AcastroAX 3 күн бұрын
Has anyone think that the photographer maybe was more like a media team? I do that all the time my wife takes care of photos and I do video
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 3 күн бұрын
From my understanding there was no Video at all. Photo budget was strictly photography.
@gatewayvisuals8777
@gatewayvisuals8777 4 күн бұрын
Brides are getting tired of the music video, cookie cutter templates, especially with the rise of Content Creators. The wedding filmmakers that are willing to put in the work that no one else wants to do to document the day in the way that is most precious to the bride will stand the test of time.
@wolfmediaimaging5896
@wolfmediaimaging5896 4 күн бұрын
All I can say is watch what Justin porter media!
@BlaineShillington
@BlaineShillington 4 күн бұрын
I'm so glad to hear you say this. I watched some high priced wedding videographers recently who approach it more like a reality show, and I thought, wow! this feels way more real with normal speed clips. It made me realize that the normal wedding video formula is broken. (venue shot, florals closeup, details, bride getting ready, bride and groom kissing, everyone cheering, speeches, now set it all indiscriminately to half speed and apply a music bed song.) We can do more.
@Benjamin.Greenwood
@Benjamin.Greenwood 4 күн бұрын
I started photography/videography 8ish years ago. I've recently started the journey of filming weddings. Did my first one a few weeks ago. I recently found your channel and have been binging all of your content. I love it! Thank you for sharing your knowledge! Also your color grading is absolutely beautiful in all of your work
@MightyMigi
@MightyMigi 4 күн бұрын
WEDDING VIDEOS ARE A WANT NOT A NEED ONE MORE TIME FOR EVERYONE IN THE BACK WADDING VIDEOS ARE A WANT NOT A NEED. send out a servay email asking old customers how offten they look at the wedding videos vs the wedding photos. there will always be a place for wedding video but never a need and thats what you have to learn don't do one type of video work. when I get married i'm going to have all my friends and family import all the photos with the ones they will take with their phones and maybe do a photo shoot with my wife but spending 7/10k for video and photo I don't see the value even long term.
@gatewayvisuals8777
@gatewayvisuals8777 4 күн бұрын
Dying? No. Hurting the industry when not used properly? Yes.
@WesleyB0891
@WesleyB0891 4 күн бұрын
Weddings are luxuries in general tbh...
@WesleyB0891
@WesleyB0891 4 күн бұрын
Vendor meal hot take is way off...... While you aren't entitled, it's def earned. and after 15 years in DJ/video/photo, I absolutely include the clause. We aren't machines, and sometimes... snacks just aren't enough.
@aefilmsweddings
@aefilmsweddings 4 күн бұрын
I usually fast on the wedding day too but mostly because I don't want to worry about finding a bathroom early in the day when I can't miss critical moments 🤣 But vendor meals hit real nice when you are starving. Also I've not heard of the content creators style of wedding video. I get why it would exist though. For the last one, the dance floor lights, I'd say it can depend. I have noticed that sometimes when I set up my lights I get looks from wedding guests and the area closet to my lights is usually barren even on the lower brightness settings because people don't want to dance near the lights haha I've also had couples straight up ask me not to use my own lights (though only a few times, usually they get why they're needed).
@aefilmsweddings
@aefilmsweddings 4 күн бұрын
I used to only film in 24fps. I only started to shoot 60/120 because I saw other people using it and felt like I had to include it to compete. It can definitely be a crutch in editing to cover up lack of proper coverage at times :/ But on the flipside I totally understand why people would film exclusively in 60fps to just make life easier for themselves.
@thanos1978-
@thanos1978- 4 күн бұрын
very good video!one question:can we shoot all the wedding with mist filters?(specially if the 80% of the shooting is outside)?thanks
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 4 күн бұрын
You sure can, I film the entire day with a mist filter on
@danielgray1874
@danielgray1874 4 күн бұрын
Silly question, but I’m assuming you drop your 60fps footage on a 24 frame timeline? I feel like my 60fps footage looks a taaaad choppy in a 24 timeline, compared to 24 in a 24…maybe it’s just my camera! ALSO, can I capture audio in 60fps and still be good in a 24 timeline? You’re awesome and the content is so helpful.
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 4 күн бұрын
Thanks so much! Yeah, I film in 60FPS at 1/120 or sometimes higher depending on if I have an ND filter and then edit in a 24fps timeline. I’ve become so used to it that it doesn’t offer any noticeable concern and my brides love the films so I just keep powering through with it. 24 will give you much better motion blur and convey a more realistic feeling but I haven’t fully transitioned to filming in 24 just yet
@Benjamin.Greenwood
@Benjamin.Greenwood 5 күн бұрын
Team log but still learning lots
@mex5341
@mex5341 5 күн бұрын
because nowadays a wedding video is a set of stereotypes and templates, these are pics that come to life with added movement. There is nothing valuable in the endless groom adjustments of a tie and the bride touching her dress . Clients want to see emotions and real life, some moments that not everyone saw at weddings, something unique and memorable. Those who do this will definitely have clients, the question is how they can break through tons of template videos.
@PavlaVankova
@PavlaVankova 5 күн бұрын
How much time do you spend editing 1 wedding video in total?
@Eli31051989
@Eli31051989 5 күн бұрын
I would said that as a Bride to marry in 2 months we didn’t choose a videographer because we do not want to have a camera polluting around, I have seeing in recent wedding that we have attended too that it seams almost that catching the best shot is more important than the event itself, we just want to be in the moment without feeling the pressure of being aware of a camera recording around, we feel that having a camera in between just takes away the authenticity of the moment. Yes, it will look great when you put the film together but we are going to be the ones seeing the camera in our memories all around, and We just don’t what to remember our day like that. ❤
@WaywardNorth
@WaywardNorth 5 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing! This is part of the concern we see in the industry as well when it comes to perception. Couples watch how video teams operate at weddings and that generally informs their decision for their own wedding but not all videographers are cut from the same cloth. I hate that you feel the videographer would impose negatively on the day for you and your day but I totally understand why you feel that way. Out of curiosity did you hire a photographer?
@Eli31051989
@Eli31051989 4 күн бұрын
Yes we did! 😂
@Lets_Make_Films
@Lets_Make_Films 6 күн бұрын
I commented on your latest video, about how I’ve filmed 7 weddings to date so very early days but I film with canon 5d mk3’s which shoot 60fps but It’s only 720p so slow mo isn’t an option for me and to be honest I prefer the 24fps look