Battery Generation Podcast Trailer
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@diegeeleel
@diegeeleel Күн бұрын
When you see the letters 'Dr' and they are not ascribed to a ....ehehe.... G.P. It's time to "listen up".
@jonswap9097
@jonswap9097 2 күн бұрын
Sodium ion is better for electric bicycles compared with lithium ion: very low fire risk, robust, longer life, and very quick charge. A small battery size is not a problem unlike a car because you can peddle if charge runs out, you can stop and charge very quickly if you need to, is not damaged if fully discharged, and a small battery size makes the bike cheap.
@arunkottolli
@arunkottolli 4 күн бұрын
I don’t know what the professor is saying. Here in Bangalore 95% of autorickshaws are not EVs! The same with bikes/Scooters. Till date I have not seen a Sodium ion battery based vehicles
@initialdwu7821
@initialdwu7821 6 күн бұрын
This is why I'll always stay with ICE vehicles.
@ricardophelps6323
@ricardophelps6323 6 күн бұрын
As with any commercial interest it's all about money & ultimately control. The investors expect to at least double their money so don't want to develop a technology that you buy once and it lasts a lifetime, they want a technology that you have to renew periodically which increases profit and drives further R&D. I have a calculator made by Casio with a small solar cell and I have never replaced the battery since I bought it new 40 years ago, that was not a great commercial design for calculator or battery manufacturers. Point I am making is you can be damn sure technologies already exist that could give everyone on Earth energy independence that use abundant, sustainable materials like oxygen, hydrogen, silicon, aluminium, iron, calcium, sodium, etc. These technologies can NEVER be released open source as the population would just spiral out of control... and there is the quandary. Only mediocre technologies that can easily be controlled will be allowed to develop.
@constantbuzz
@constantbuzz 11 күн бұрын
If an EV were to have a type of odometer- or a log recorder stored in nondestructive / non-resettable memory showing amount of recharge KWH at a +50KW rate, number of KWH discharged while under 20% SOC, and number of hours battery pack spent at 100% SOC (for non iron phosphate packs) , this would give good metrics to amount of wear of tear. Outside of that, a 20 mile drive cycle where amount KHW delivered can be correlated to the percent of charge drop, and then compared to when the pack was new. Example: M3 LR pack is 82KWH/80KWH usable, 1% of charge is 800WH at 75 degrees F when new. A noticeably degraded cell will start delivering less WH per a percent of charge at the same temp.
@alirezarostamifard6404
@alirezarostamifard6404 13 күн бұрын
Great interview, informative and useful. Thanks a lot.
@arbor318
@arbor318 14 күн бұрын
The reality is not as simple as the model. Too complicated model could be misleading in decisions.
@hilkokoetje404
@hilkokoetje404 14 күн бұрын
This is confusing. Okay, they agree on keeping low SoC but this tesla prof says it’s the %DoD effecting degradation, “micro-cracking” of iron oxide crystals within the battery cells occurs much more at full charge-discharge cycles. His advice was to charge less at a time at low maximum SoC to 75% max. Also, I think “plating”, when lithium gets lost, he called “dissolution”.
@angelamartim8337
@angelamartim8337 15 күн бұрын
2:44
@tommykaira8775
@tommykaira8775 15 күн бұрын
Cellphones should have given enough real life experience in battery behaviour
@hariomsaini9698
@hariomsaini9698 18 күн бұрын
How and where any one can purchase it and the cost of the batteries.
@christianolsson834
@christianolsson834 19 күн бұрын
I always trickle charge my Jaguar. BMS goes haywire if it goes under 11,5 volts. So I try to drive it as much as I can since it charges the battery during driving.
@galaxiedance3135
@galaxiedance3135 19 күн бұрын
Eventually, it will all be wireless charging. Or at least for the most part. You can be 100% sure that Robo Taxi will be wireless charging. There are busses in China which already charge wirelessly at 500 KWh. Also there is very little loss. Perhaps that will improve with technology. SO the weight of the cable shouldn't be a factor for THAT much longer.
@Ehumanist
@Ehumanist 20 күн бұрын
I understand the positives of the industry working together but we all know that at the end of the day if that does happen the industry will just find the best cost option and it will not necessarily push for more innovation. Competition creates innovation. Collaboration ultimately creates conspiracy based on history
@johnnyjrotten59
@johnnyjrotten59 21 күн бұрын
I want to know about Lead acid batteries :(
@jeffreymartin4890
@jeffreymartin4890 22 күн бұрын
Much of the digital battery twin data can is collected by a decent BMS. The voltage of each cell, over current charge, over current discharge, highest voltage cell, lowest voltage cell, back temperature, balancing, etc. So just data log that (lots of BMS units have usart, CAN, Bluetooth, and wifi.
@pepeshopping
@pepeshopping 22 күн бұрын
“EVs will get to recharge as fast as gas cars, in a few years!”. NO THEY WILL NOT!!! (not in the next 7-10 years). (Maybe only for long trips, or rushed times, but not all the time, if you do care for the life/cycles of the battery!).
@bigfoot1861
@bigfoot1861 22 күн бұрын
why do european men look and sound so weak and feminine??? must be woke virus
@ChuanshengWang-kd8qb
@ChuanshengWang-kd8qb 22 күн бұрын
I came back to watch this video again but noticed the negative comment about quantum scape was removed from the older version of this video. I wonder why?
@maxamillionmcmahon6305
@maxamillionmcmahon6305 22 күн бұрын
Would you be willing to share the slide show that was occasionally shown in the video?
@maxamillionmcmahon6305
@maxamillionmcmahon6305 22 күн бұрын
Nevermind I found it! drive.google.com/file/d/1jGxoie5a0ukvlrg63n6AnTnT3uSq9VVD/view
@realismisreal77
@realismisreal77 22 күн бұрын
Please explain, when the battery is charged, the cells in it are filled one after another (like communicating vessels), or when charging at 80-90%, some parts of the batteries and cells are not charged at all?
@m3chanist
@m3chanist 5 күн бұрын
All are taken to the same level, don't think of it like a bar graph charge meter where some sections remain empty, at 80% for instance 100% of the battery is 80% charged
@evilsimeon
@evilsimeon 23 күн бұрын
Great guest!
@Xf99-40
@Xf99-40 23 күн бұрын
What about Sodium-Glass batteries?
@talpolano4549
@talpolano4549 23 күн бұрын
0:34: 🔋 Understanding battery health and lifespan optimization with Professor Howey. 4:25: 🔋 Challenges in measuring battery health using models and limited parameters. 8:13: 🔋 Advancements in lithium-ion battery technology have led to improved performance and longer lifespan, especially for smartphones and electric cars. 12:14: 🔋 Factors contributing to battery degradation include SEI layer growth, particle cracking, and lithium plating. 16:09: ⚡ Factors affecting battery degradation: usage frequency, cyclic aging for daily drivers, and calendar aging for occasional users. 20:03: 🔋 Factors affecting battery capacity include algorithm changes, physical effects like ion stabilization, and potential capacity recovery over time. 24:01: ⚡ Effects of temperature on battery health and charging speed. 28:03: ⚡ Challenges in predicting battery life due to usage and population variability. 32:02: ⚡ Impact of variation in battery pack over time due to divergent behavior and limitations by the weakest link. Recap by Tammy AI
@batterygeneration
@batterygeneration 23 күн бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@Dowent
@Dowent 23 күн бұрын
Great timing with the timing <3 .
@cybergigafactory
@cybergigafactory 23 күн бұрын
Great episode, thanks! I would love to know how the different cell chemistries should be charged for best cycle life. NMC/NCA should be between 20-80% to prolong the battery life. LFP should be charged to 100% once a week or so. But does it help also to hold it between a specific percentage to prolonged its life or does it not matter as much?
@mzbmwbbpkf
@mzbmwbbpkf 20 күн бұрын
+1
@barr96
@barr96 24 күн бұрын
I'd rather just sit in a NIO and let battery swap manage it all, within 4 minutes.....
@rjbiker66
@rjbiker66 15 күн бұрын
Who owns the battery in your car? Would you swap you shiny new battery with some unknown battery?
@barr96
@barr96 15 күн бұрын
@rjbiker66 until a few days later and you swap it out again? You're worrying over nothing 😀 Besides, just think of the resale value of an EV, which is 4+ years old where you have zero understanding if its been correctly charged over its lifetime.... the solution? Battery swap.
@rjbiker66
@rjbiker66 13 күн бұрын
@@barr96 a few days later someone else has swap their battery with your original.
@barr96
@barr96 13 күн бұрын
@@rjbiker66 you're missing the point. You don't own the battery :)
@rjbiker66
@rjbiker66 13 күн бұрын
@@barr96 so what happens when you want to sell the car?
@Lifecoach7Ra
@Lifecoach7Ra 24 күн бұрын
This gap was filled at our company starting with the first EV 2008. We for any longer had ICE and even nasty hybrids. But now full fleet of 12 are EV, we also have 11 kWh chargers at office and home and produce much of our own energy giving us FREEDOM from energy Mafia. We usually charge in 10 SECONDS and sit in an already climatized car in the morning. Super Fast charging with my car could be done in 18 minutes at 240 kWh but who cares with a range 70% around the globe never use in one day? We do up to 598 km in summer or 370 miles! So think many concepts where set up by old oil companies with stations only invented by 1925 or 25 years after the car as financial slave systems in fact that always adjusted prices before vacation periods etc. We do not need more HPC but intelligent HOME and DESTINATION chargers. We only go to hotels e.g. offering reserved garages with chargers and enjoy nice trips besides highways with much congestions in Europe. In fact we travel at good average speed and do well to our battery and own LIFE as we can enjoy an absolutely quiet ride in comfort which is unprecedented quality of drive. Most problems are only fake arguments that thinking and flexible people never ever had. when Berta Benz took the car of her husband to visit friends she had no range anxiety, needed no assurance to go 1000 km or 600 miles first and neither needed over 600 hp to claim that the car costs more than a 100 hp combustion car. So we should do everything to change the thinking of people and their prejudices created by bad intentions to follow hidden agendas. Batteries are much better than we think. My BRAUN razor, the first with LiIon has over 25 years and is still fully working and charging. Our Tesla Roadster only needed to change battery as we got an improved version in a special offer which made it a new car with all other things revised and improved. What other car company is doing that other than for some old timers of high value at astronomical prices. The Tesla costed us some 8000 USD and certainly the old battery was still with over 90% good enough for a power wall or so!😎🇨🇭
@EfficientRVer
@EfficientRVer 24 күн бұрын
Great guest. He didn't stumble, need to BS, or get anything wrong technically..... but more importantly, always saw the bigger picture and perspective, and was able to come up with a way to convey it to laymen. So, a great engineering mind, plus a great ability to understand how to explain things to people who are not.
@TechnoMonkeyFarm
@TechnoMonkeyFarm 24 күн бұрын
Would like to know which chemistries prefer which charging strategies. Tesla says to charge their LFP packs to 100% but feel it's more so because of the flat voltage and therefore low confidence in predicting the SOC. Are they telling people to lower the pack longevity to improve the consumer experience? ie. flat battery @ 10 % and a tow truck..
@ManuNarang
@ManuNarang 14 күн бұрын
I'm inclined to think so, yes. When the LFP batteries were first introduced in 2021, they didn't have the 100% charge recommendations and had a lot of users get stranded at 10% or 5% SOC. They realized that it was a BMS calibration issue where the car wasn't able to accurately predict the bottom of the pack. After a few weeks they introduced the 100% recommendation once per week, which seems like a compromise between battery longevity and BMS calibration accuracy.
@alexanderdanel112
@alexanderdanel112 25 күн бұрын
I had trouble understanding what she was saying. She would zip through important concepts and I could not recognize the words she was saying, even after replaying.
@jolly1039
@jolly1039 25 күн бұрын
Oh wait me petrol car has none of these issues lol!!!!!
@JohnD0129
@JohnD0129 23 күн бұрын
Well I guess your few of the lucky ones 🤣
@jolly1039
@jolly1039 23 күн бұрын
@@JohnD0129 petrol degradation from charging? Sure.. I am the lucky one
@JohnD0129
@JohnD0129 23 күн бұрын
@@jolly1039 your petrol engine degrades every time you start the vehicle 🤣
@jolly1039
@jolly1039 23 күн бұрын
​@@JohnD0129 You are comparing apple and oranges. Battery degradation in comparison with petrol degradation
@JohnD0129
@JohnD0129 23 күн бұрын
@@jolly1039 no sir I’m comparing transportation vehicles in general. Doest matter if it’s Petrol vs EV. All parts degrade over time and are expensive.
@Johnny-dp5mu
@Johnny-dp5mu 25 күн бұрын
I own the battery. I own the data. Digital twin?
@georgelewis8831
@georgelewis8831 25 күн бұрын
See how Tesla is doing it for the semi - enough said.
@Turbo6019
@Turbo6019 25 күн бұрын
This is interesting for sure, there are many that hate EV and there are those that love EV and I find that those that hate EV does not understand how a battery works. Understanding is the key in which the tech is getting better by the day so don’t give up and keep an open mind.
@PravdaSeed
@PravdaSeed 25 күн бұрын
🧞 excellent 🧞 Thanks 🌀 Intro music is Very high & Disturbing...
@PravdaSeed
@PravdaSeed 25 күн бұрын
🔋Na ion battery 🧞 thanks 🌀🇨🇳
@xhobv02
@xhobv02 25 күн бұрын
I charge at home with 2 kW power up to 80% capacity. For my casual driving its ok.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 23 күн бұрын
I mostly do tthat. If I do it when the sun is shining it is a good match to my average roofttop solar panel output.
@alanwardrop9575
@alanwardrop9575 25 күн бұрын
For grid applications self-reassembling liquid metal batteries such as Ambri liquid calcium - antimony battery look promising.
@paolocruz8392
@paolocruz8392 26 күн бұрын
9:00 is that the reason why you should keep the charge of a battery between 40-80%?
@otm646
@otm646 26 күн бұрын
He's getting all of the little but very important points incorrect.16:00 battery temperature not external ambient temperature is what limits charge performance. As soon as the battery as preconditioned aka heated up to above freezing temperatures It will charge at high speed like normal.
@rjbiker66
@rjbiker66 15 күн бұрын
You just have to have the power available in the battery to pre-condition
@ahbushnell1
@ahbushnell1 26 күн бұрын
Great video!!!
@ahbushnell1
@ahbushnell1 26 күн бұрын
Note with the same current and higher voltage batteries the power will increase and faster charging will result.
@andywurst4873
@andywurst4873 26 күн бұрын
BATTERY PASSPORT: "A battery passport would keep a record of an individual battery's constituent parts, aiming to increase transparency throughout the supply chain. Information about the battery's raw material provenance, manufacturing, carbon credentials, human rights record, usages and more would be digitally recorded." That doesn't benefit the consumer, this is for politician's control. A better passport would track charging cycles, environment, load application, charging history (abusive?). This information could be developed to provide REAL value to consumers rather than the political bickering built in to the existing passport.
@andywurst4873
@andywurst4873 26 күн бұрын
Around 24:30 Dr Wu suggested a choice between accuracy and simplicity. I think that is a false choice. Logs over the life of the battery charging and discharging environment can certainly be maintained. Effort of creating such a system and at what cost is likely the real problem. OEMs don't care once they sell a product. Also, they may be creating a system that could be used against them when it comes to warranty issues. a graph of SoC would be useful to the 2nd hand market. I personally would avoid an EV with high annual mileages. The chances of poor charging habits might increase. Wouldn't a graph showing 20-80% charging and little degradation be more valuable that someone that drives little but charges to 100% frequently? Finally, the unspoken truth -- data is being harvested from every car without the owner's knowledge. So why couldn't more information be available as to a batteries care over it's lifetime?
@konradcomrade4845
@konradcomrade4845 25 күн бұрын
good arguments! However if the battery_data_Logs were available and/or could be manipulated by the consumer, or with the help of "expert shops", just before a second hand sale!!!, I would be suspicious!
@andywurst4873
@andywurst4873 19 күн бұрын
@@konradcomrade4845 - agreed. Data should be immutable and that can be managed with digital signatures.
@blueangel762
@blueangel762 26 күн бұрын
Is 100% battery always full on battery? I have scooter it says 100% full but when I test it on multimeter it says 82,5 something, if 82,5÷20 (it's 20 series system) it gets 4,1 volts the lithium can be full at 4,2 volts?? 2nd another my scooter it's says 97v (23 series system) after got charged at 97v full, it's drop to 96,5 it's 4,19 each it is save for long run? It's already 4 years now and I feel like nothing changed on range it's like brand new
@PravdaSeed
@PravdaSeed 26 күн бұрын
🌀🔋 Thanks
@ericverlaet4447
@ericverlaet4447 26 күн бұрын
Yes I agree with you, the battery of my car, 9 years old, 420.0000 km and 1900 cycles, have a capacity degradation of 12 %, 20 % increase of internal resistance. But with my New victory smart solar charging at home the charging power varying from 1200 to 3500w So I gain 1 % capacity and lower impedance. 120 KW at 5 % soc 7 years ago, now 83 KW at same soc....the BMS do his job..... 45% SUC 55 % slow at home. Thanks tesla. Have a nice day🌞
@dennism7813
@dennism7813 26 күн бұрын
Very interesting discussion. A thought occurred to me regarding battery degradation. With potholes in our roads multiplying rapidly. The vibration caused by driving a car with an out of balanced wheel will surely impact the integrity of the battery when you consider the sheer number of physical connections in an EV'S battery. Just a thought...
@douglaswatt1582
@douglaswatt1582 26 күн бұрын
Incredibly unlikely I suppose if you had a wildly out of balance wheel and a poorly latticed battery connections, you might run into some issues. It's definitely not an issue in any Tesla
@snodgee
@snodgee 27 күн бұрын
I know it’s a bit different but I had a iPhone that one day stated 98% battery health to not charging with in a few days