Thanks Tim this is a very helpful video! But would really love to understand how you created this data set with the category and sub categories! I would really appreciate if you can share a link for a how to!

Hello Tim, Does it work with tableau 2023.1?

thanks sir

Thanks Tim, Awesome video as usual. Please do a video on how to add Pulse objects to a dashboard and then be able to share the dashboard via slack

You just saved my life lol

Hi Tim, Thank you very much for this video. I'm trying to publish the ds of the GA4 to Tableau Server the "Publish" button is greyed out. I edited the Authentication section and it made no difference. Any ideas? Thx.

Built a Sankey chart from LaDataViz in LITERALLY 2 days, and most of that was learning the interface. My goal is the integrate my LaDataViz Viz with tableau functionality, so its still "technically" a Tableau Viz. So in Reality, with the Sankey chart, it is actually a still Tableau, maintained and tailored in Tableau, only the chart had calculations done by LaDataViz. I'll never going back to doing calculations for Sankey and other advanced charts, with curves and such, again. Tristian, has unlocked my inner "Tableau Consciousness"

Tell him to make his youtube video public

Thanks so much for sharing this new experience ! I love this !

thanks for this talk! the laughter of you two is so heartwarming!

I can’t see s*** captain!

Awesomeness

Thanks a lot Tim!

Einstein is the new IBM Watson brand. Let's hope it doesn't turn out the same.

Thank you so much for this! I really appreciate it!

They did mention Prep (9:01) at one point in the presentation, giving a nod to revealing a new Prep Experience at Dreamforce. They also made some mention to the convergence with CRM Analytics, SFs existing integrated Analytic tool, so it seems Tableau Einstein will be the future of Analytics in the SF ecosystem. I'm deeply curious to see the story Salesforce will tell about Analytics at Dreamforce as they're clearly looking to show a vision of the future with how Analytics will integrate to the rest of the Customer360 ecosystem, such as Data Cloud, Einstein 1 and otherwise.

Thank you, it's very helpful

Thank you, very well explained !!!!

To save time I exported with my LinkedIn Preset. Enjoy the burned in captions... :D ... Curious what everyone else thinks about it.

Tableau does some very basic things very poorly. That is a huge problem. Examples, it is very hard to export a text table to excel. The server download is awful. Want to create a text table, oh you have this dumb “ABC” placeholder. Why? Oh you need a measure there. Ok, add it. Oh now I don’t have a column header on top? What the heck? I have been using tableau for a decade so I know the workarounds to these things but it is way too hard!

Salesforce has no idea how to handle Tableau. They aren’t the original parent they just adopted Tableau as their kid.

This is probably going to kill the use of tableau at our org, we are not interested in anything cloud.

This discussion was a super helpful. I have been thinking about what level of analytics delivery is good enough for users to have informed decisions. It doesn’t need a fancy visualization at all as long as users can understand the insights in 5-7 seconds and know the call to actions are. I have been thinking about the career development as well. Thanks for touching on this topic. Using Tableau over 7 years, I learn that a good analytics analyst needs to have data manipulation skills in order to provide a nimble and agile end to end analytics solution. A successful analytics analyst needs to be good at asking the right questions to business users or understand what the business problem they are trying to solve. Then provide the call to action. Otherwise, the analyst will spend hours or days to develop and learn how to visualize a fancy interactive dashboard but it won’t answer or solve the real problems.

this may have been the best 15 minutes I have spent all week. thanks, mate.

The elephant in the room with all this is, how do you explain the virtues of tableau Einstein to a CFO who believes you should switch to Powerbi as it’s free. 12:04

It’s tableau for salesforce people. It’s not tableau for tableau people. It’s getting release at salesforce conference 5:31

Helpful and enjoyable to explore new tools this way. Great video!

how to find Customer Retention & Acquisition rate or number for specific time period?

A nice smooth line chart with clear markers @ 58:22 vs Tableau wagging the finger tutting and saying you shouldn't be doing that and making it near impossible to do without hacks. Tableau up against tools like this will struggle to attract new customers without a rethink and probably still only has the share it does today because of how embedded BI tools can become in an organisation - but they can't rely on this forever. As the saying goes, gradually then suddenly.

Great conversation. I love that you two british guys say "probably not bad if it's not failed right? .. it's not really gone tits ups"... and "British way of looking it"... the british way is not the "ah, it's all right".. the british exprssion here (for me anyway) is "tits up" :)

Really enjoying your podcasts, wish i could contribute my experiences too :)

Love automation and macros.

Tableau is just a badly developed product full stop. The amount of times that I had to find workarounds for what should be basic functionality is insane. Even creating a simple pivot table is challenging in a product that has table in its name.

Thankyou.

Tableau needs to add "enterprise features" to Tableau Cloud to support software engineering best practices such as CI/CD, automated testing and native integration with Git. Also need a spreedsheet like interface for LOB data analysts and Excel / Google Sheets knowledge workers similar to Sigma. I love Tableau and have been using for 10+ years, but without these "enterprise features" I believe that Tableau will die a slow death similar to the legacy BI platforms like Cognos, Business Objects and Microstrategy. That's my hot take

Very interesting chat guys!

Very interesting conversation!

Very interesting conversation!

Very interesting conversation!

Thanks for the great conversation! Here is my perspective as someone working with Tableau for over 7 years and now Power BI for almost one year (not enough to be as proficient as I am in Tableau but definitely enough to get over the honey moon phase and see some of the problems it has as well) - Pricing is not as clear cut as many people think: for most of the serious reporting you probably will need Premium Capacity in PBI, which turns the price the same or sometimes even more expensive than Tableau - Pixel Perfect from Tableau is not nearly as perfect as the marketing team poses it to be. Who hasn't dealt with designing reports on Desktop just to publish and seeing things not exactly where they are, even in fixed resolutions? Or having blurs and other anomalies that shouldn't really be there. Never had this issue so far with PBI. - Porsche vs BMW is not a very good analogy. It's more like Porsche vs a Tesla, they are fundamentally different. Yes, Tableau is still the best tool when it comes to Data Visualization, but it seems to be frozen in time. PBI evolved into a much more mature BI tool, and it is still changing fast with monthly updates. What it lacks in Viz options, it compensates in the overall package, mainly on the Data Modelling (Power Query) and Analytics (DAX) side, but also with other important features that mature BI teams need like CI/CD and Source Control, advanced UI/UX capabilities, automation and standardization with custom JSON templates, the list goes on. - Tableau Prep is never going a proper Data Modeling tool -> you can only build single large tables. So many years in development and it still can't handle semantic models and relationships, and probably never will with all this 4th Wave talk, which leads me to my next point: - Tableau in it's core was developed to use single large tables. Later they added relationships but they still don't work as well as in PBI, which was developed from the ground up with sematic models in mind. You need semantic models when dealing with real world data that requires a more complex model coming from one or more data warehouses. It took years using Tableau for me to learn the difference between Dimension and Fact tables, the tool simply doesn't require this knowledge. This might work at first but at some point it will become a trap. PBI kind of forces this onto you since the beginning because it relies on star schemas for efficiency. - Tableau also has SQL in it's core. The formulas are mostly a SQL translator, which make the tool easier to use but also limits its capabilities. DAX is harder to learn and to use, but it is basically a layer on top of more traditional SQL based formulas. In my experience so far it offers way more tools to deal with real world problems. - Tableau + Prep + Server isn't really a platform in my opinion. It's the bare minimum you need to run the product. Power Platform, on the other hand, mainly with Power BI, Power Automate and Power Apps is a truly integrated environment that complement each other very nicely, expanding much more what a single BI tool can offer. With Fabric now, I think it will get even bigger. - I'm grateful for the community in Public, creators like you teaching content and now other developers like Tristan from Ladataviz greatly expanding what Tableau can do, but for me that is basically Tableau outsourcing their responsibility. It took years of hacks and workarounds being discovered and instead of using it to improve the tool, Tableau now simply offers 3rd party paid apps to do what it should out of the box. - Tableau remains my favorite tool for data analysis and exploration, but I can see why many companies are switching. In my experience so far it seems companies are evolving from building single dashboards to building more advanced data applications, and Tableau lacks the sophistication it needs to keep up, it's not just pricing. - I'm very skeptic but optimistic with all this 4th wave talks. Tableau *needs* to be rebuilt from the ground up. I don't think they can keep patching what currently exists and transform it into something that can really compete with other tools on the market. I just hope that instead of cannibalizing itself as you suggested, they actually manage to keep the core experience we all love while working on the basics they lack (high on Copium from their announcement regarding components in the Tableau Conference). Sorry for the long comment, might sound biased against Tableau but I truly hope they improve. Power BI has many advantages and features but what it lacks (as any other Microsoft tool) is the polish that Tableau has. Many people (myself included) would still choose Porsche over Tesla. The Tesla looks modern, can accelerate faster, has auto pilot and is cheaper, and yet needs you to press a button in a tablet to reverse gears.

The fact that they are talking about the future of Tableau NOT AT TC was a bit of a kick tbh. and very odd.

Re Price, when PowerBI is being offered as part of the Microsoft 365 stack as an add on thats a problem for stand alone applications, in the same way, why pay for slack Teams does the same thing? It doesnt matter if its better or worse if the person making the budget decision just sees them as A N Other piece of software, which i suspect many do. We are still on a core server licence so i can serve dashboards to everone of our 2k employees. When we are forced to pay per user the price for Tableau is going to sky rocket and i just don't know how to justify to the money people why we stick with something that has increased in price so much. People don't want best in class, they want close enough. They just want to get to the shops and back again with their shopping. It doesnt help when Data Management etc is an added extra. Prep is a dead product walking, why would i get my users to use it if you cannot schedule flows without paying extra for that ability. 99% of the time a dashboard is a living changing thing, NOT a one off analysis.

thank you!!!

Tableau needs to sort the fundamentals. Some aspects of it are very dated and poor from a UI perspective, take date controls for example. Sort that before the AI meme. Additionally, at Tableau's price point, it needs to be the one stop shop for BI/data surfacing and visualisations within an organisation. It's all well and good advising people to show data a different way, ie not a table yet sometimes this is needed - its tables are shocking (and I shouldn't have to pay for add ons).

If Tableau lowers their price, people will still ask them to lower it further. That is a never ending ask in my opinion so I don't know how seriously I can take it. Does Tableau still have a solid base with good profit margins? Is its user base expanding? How is its churn rate? These would all be better indicators than the price of its product (ones that, honestly, are a lot harder to get from the outside). PowerBI is a product for very different type of customer I feel like. If you are completely in the Microsoft ecosphere, then it makes sense to use it. But it would involve a lot of migration work if you're not and that's costly. Some features of PowerBI only work or work better with Microsoft products like Azure or SQL Server but is it worth it to move the entire tech stack over for that? And in my company's case, a lot of people are on Macs. And many who aren't on them, want to be on them (hey, if the company is paying for it, why not?). This means compatibility is the main issue for us (which Tableau fulfills) and trust me, it's a lot harder to get someone to give up their MacBook than to give up their BI tool.

Brillaint

nice

Tim and Ravi - great discussion!!! Here are my thoughts: - I agree with you 100% on pricing. One additional point though - a lot of the pricing complaints come from practitioners who can't control it but are wistful because it is what they hear from the CIO/CFO office, who often care less about the type of car :) - Pixel perfect is in the category of things that are table stakes and important to the first point. Tableau should never be used for PP reporting, however, IT want to consolidate vendors, so having the feature could go a long way to making Tableau a true standard in a big corporation. - Personally, I still use set actions more than parameters actions - multi-select is a common use case ;) - Agree that fourth wave won't be out in a "take it to production in an enterprise way" until at least 2025.2! Shared dimensions took 3 years and it was just a feature! - On experience, you not being an expert on the entire "thing" but how the past impacts the present would still be valuable to me! - For survival, I think (and worry to be honest) that the next Tableau will be heavy on Tableau + AI (Einstein) + Data Cloud (and maybe Mulesoft) as a single offering to compete with Fabric, etc (And thanks for the shout out!)

Nice. Probably should be called Table-Wide-Scan

Thanks guys and thankyou v much Tim for addressing this topic. I do get what u say about Tableau being superior but the problem is that companies generally go for the cheapest intiailly. For me i see the quality of Prep and Server have gone down but i still love tableau compared to pbi. I used to be a bit angry about why tableau is going so downhill but maybe it isnt really going there and i have decided to just accept how things are and play with that is around as opposed to complaining too much. If it does sink then i am ok with that too. More important things in life than data anlysis and so on. At the end we ( as souls) are just here on this planet for a short visit and then off we go somewhere else. So i am not going to get too attached to mundane material stuff. The future is huge !