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@SwitchAndLever 21 сағат бұрын
The U-clamps are useless but not mainly for what you point out, it's the godawful screws which always mar the surface of the rod you're clamping that's the issue. It leads to always trying to shim in some brass sheet in between to protect the surface, making things needlessly fiddly. Working around the clamp has rarely been any issues though, but your mileage may vary of course.
@filepz629 21 сағат бұрын
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@Jeff-KN6UDG 21 сағат бұрын
And here I thought he/she who dies with the most tools wins. I have three garages full of tools I’m sure I could do without. I plan to donate everything to a maker space when my days are done. Hopefully I can save people the misery of buying tools you never use.
@nobbysworkshop 21 сағат бұрын
A 4" rotary table is no problem. Just the right size for a small mill. I added an adapter to take my 7" lathe face plate. Tons of room to mount parts on. V-blocks have their uses, but for cross drilling small bar stock, a "finger plate" works really well. Either on the bench drill or mill vice. A very old, tried and tested tool. When I bought my Aculock mill vice, Vevor sold them at the same price as everyone else, but including the rotary base. Pays to check. I don't keep it on the vice, but have used it.
@fredchenze8676 21 сағат бұрын
I made the same mistake on the rotary table also
@StefanGotteswinter 21 сағат бұрын
Good one on the rotary table and I find myself using V-Blocks mostly for endwork on round stuff. I might have to digg trough my shop for tools that i should not have bought.. :D
@user-ju3jt4pe3s 21 сағат бұрын
Great video. very helpful.
@lenroddis5933 21 сағат бұрын
A rotary table bigger than 4" would overwhelm my mill and for my normal scale of work (currently a Stuart Triple Expansion engine) it works just fine; especially after I added a stepper motor and electronic control. One unusual project was carving out of aluminium a handle to fix my Japanese pruning saw onto a telescopic pole. This called for cutting radii up to about 4" which was easily accomplished by bolting a rectangle of 1/2" thick aluminium to the rotary table to which the work could be clamped. V blocks were Indeed a disappointment and are rarely used.
@LeoH3L1 21 сағат бұрын
There's no such thing.
@anthonylathrop7251 21 сағат бұрын
It's so tricky to know in advance when spending $ for the good stuff will pay off and when it won't. I have some very cheap tools that have given years of good service and others that were junk out of the box. I've also sunk time and money into making my own tools then seen the same thing for sale at a lower cost than I paid just for the materials. I don't foresee ever getting this figured out.
@aleksandarvasilevski7410 21 сағат бұрын
Great video. Fortunately I chose 8" rotary table and I did not regret. But the rest of the items were in my bucket list for shopping. Now after the video it is really obvious that I am only that hobby machinist, that makes same mistakes that all hobby machinist do.
@stephenbridges2791 22 сағат бұрын
One thing I don't skimp on is pliers. If you do, eventually you will regret it.
@mr.picklesworth 22 сағат бұрын
Interesting I couldn't imagine not having my V blocks. I don't use them all the time but when I do I love having them.
@Blondihacks 21 сағат бұрын
I said the clamps are useless, not V blocks
@mr.picklesworth 21 сағат бұрын
@Blondihacks but I use the clamps also haha. Not saying they are for everyone.
@Manterest 22 сағат бұрын
I bet someone would be able make a joke about 6" being better than 4", but I wouldn't know anything about things like that.
@Tinker001 22 сағат бұрын
Do Swarfy, Sprocket & yourself share a preference in kibble? Or, do you have to stock 3 different flavours?
@eddalexander9005 22 сағат бұрын
I have most of the items you talked about with the same results!
@nicholashacking381 22 сағат бұрын
Well, you don't need it until you need it. I don't regret buying any tools (apart from cheap rubbish that failed and had to be replaced with someting pukka, costing ten times as much) because you never know when they are going to have their moment to shine. The point where that under-used thing is perfect for the job and none of your other tools will do. Think of an immersion heater spanner. I have one which I *never* use. Except, for once in a blue moon, when I need to change an immersion heater, and then nothing else comes close. Or a castellated socket for a Landrover gear box. Or a special socket for propshaft nuts. Or... NEVER throw anything away. You will regret it.
@zrobotics 22 сағат бұрын
However, those rarely-used tools are often a great time to save some money on the cheaper tools. I need a ball joint press approximately once every 3 years, which isn't enough to justify the 1,000 USD that a good one costs. The cheap harbor freight/princess auto one I have has been fine for home use. It would be a terrible investment for a professional mechanic, since it wouldn't last 2 months, but for home use where you aren't trying to work as fast it's been entirely fine. Certainly better than not having the tool at all and having to come up with a substitute or workaround. The real trick is to know when you can get away with the cheap stuff, and when that stuff will just be wasted money. Unfortunately, this is often impossible to know ahead of time, my policy tends to be buy the cheap one first and if/when it breaks I have a much better idea if the better quality tool will be worth it.
@unclebob540i3 22 сағат бұрын
For a schedule filler, this was a most educational discussion. Should have had it years ago before I made the same mistakes.
@dans_Learning_Curve 22 сағат бұрын
More about this farmer fixing you grew up with!
@martindietrich2011 22 сағат бұрын
Isnt it a idea to make a ball turner for the lsthe out of the small rotary table?
@Rebar77_real 22 сағат бұрын
"But it was on sale!" The bane of my extra space.
@HippoXXL 22 сағат бұрын
Cool, I didn't know other people than me use the term 'butter steel'. Greetings from Germany, Marcus
@cyborgcoyote3251 22 сағат бұрын
Congratulations on (barely) holding back the laughter when comparing your rotary tables!
@rexmyers991 22 сағат бұрын
I had a chuckle when you set the eve blocks on the table. I, too, thought I had to have them. Not! Oh, and same with the swivel vice.
@remcobarbe2788 22 сағат бұрын
Me too 😊
@farmersteve129 22 сағат бұрын
Finding a way to hold small things in a big chuck or vice is generally easier than the other way around.
@loch1957 22 сағат бұрын
I use my swivel base all the time.
@Timboykee 22 сағат бұрын
As a resident of Kansas I appreciate the ballast otherwise useless cast iron tools provide against the shop blowing away in a tornado.
@robindeputy 23 сағат бұрын
Great advice, Quinn. I hadn’t considered the diameter of the rotary table needed until you pointed it out. I had planned to buy a 4" one to match my 4" lathe chucks, but now I will look for a larger one to increase my working radius.
@jrmintz1 23 сағат бұрын
Thank you! That is exactly the sort of info I need.
@jamesmeader6539 23 сағат бұрын
You need a This Old Tony sticker for your toolbox.
@malsm8892 23 сағат бұрын
As an apprentice in the milling section of machine shop we had no rotary vice base's the rotary tables covered the full width of the larger and medium sized vertical and horizontal mill tables. As the smaller machines were used for really small work dividing heads were on the larger and medium except for an older small horizontal mill that had an indexing table moving about thirty degrees of centre used for gear cutting special gears and cams that were not standard stock
@zrobotics 22 сағат бұрын
I'm skeptical that a rotary vice base can ever be useful, I just can't ever see a time where that would be something that would be useful. If I need to hold stock at an angle from the xy axis, I have always needed that angle to be specific and precise. A rotary vice base just can't have any better precision than maybe 1/2 degree, and in practice I expect it would be much worse. I just can't think of a single setup where rotating the vise to approximately 31 degrees would ever be something I would want, especially since you would still need to tram in the vise again after rotating it back to zero so it doesn't even save any work.
@5fingerlovetouch 23 сағат бұрын
I ended up using my 3" 3 & 4 jaw chucks as vises for holding weird parts on the drill press.
@JamesSimmons-pz7wn 23 сағат бұрын
Good video Blondihacks
@7891ph 23 сағат бұрын
Being a machinist for almost 40 years, I can confirm what she's said here, with a couple of caviates about V-blocks. You have to have the correct type for the job at hand, which would be based on what you're doing. Where I've used them the most is doing die and mold work on the surface grinder, which would probably be well outside the scope of what most people are doing for a hobby.
@Blondihacks 22 сағат бұрын
To be clear, I use V blocks all the time. It’s the U-clamps that are useless.
@Mike40M 23 сағат бұрын
Took me 10 years before removing the swivel base. Did need it about 3 times. Rotary table tailstock, not needed yet. Lightweight stick welder only rarely used on farming machinery on windy days. Like MIG, TIG and gaswelding more. Drills 1/16 to 1 inch only used a 1/2" once, living in a metric country.
@zrobotics 22 сағат бұрын
The thing with those cheap stick welders is when you do need them there really isn't any other substitute. I have a stick setup for my TIG machine, and there have been times where I was super grateful that I had the leads and rod. Like you, I prefer TIG and gas oxy-acetylene more, but trying to do either one of those outside just causes annoyance. That being said, having a separate stick only welder would qualify for many hobbyists as a tool regret, I'd rather save the money and shop space for a TIG welder, since you can pretty cheaply add a stinger to any tig welder.
@steveNCB7754 23 сағат бұрын
One of the worst thing you can do, is get a Round Tooit.Once you finally get a Round Tooit, you can wave goodbye to any spare time or bank balance you previously enjoyed. 🤣
@JayFude 23 сағат бұрын
4 inch rotary table would be perfect for my 3018 CNC mill!
@mr.b2232 23 сағат бұрын
👍😎
@Oberkaptain 23 сағат бұрын
That 4in rotary table would fit my mill perfectly where did you get it at?
@johnapel2856 23 сағат бұрын
Schedule filler? HA! I scoff at that suggestion. Actually very useful information. Quack to Swarfy, THANKS, and Meow to Sprocket.
@kenibnanak5554 23 сағат бұрын
So exactly about the vise swivel base. Same one as yours I think. On my little Sieg Mini Mill it ate most of my Z space. I finally realized if I took it off I could handle more work pieces and did so. That was years ago and I haven't needed it once. My little Sieg Mini Mill was a mistake too. It works well, as advertised. It vibrated a lot until I filled the column with equal amounts of sand, tiny screws and epoxy. That ended the resonation issues. But I needed a mill with a knee so I could handle tall things. The Sieg mini mill lacks a knee. Many workarounds which sadly included bringing the work to someone else's shop and having their mill do the cuts I wanted, but on their schedule, not mine. Sigh. Yes. U clamps were a total waste of money. The first time I tried to use them one of them just broke in two which forced developing other ways.
@raymondseeger4832 23 сағат бұрын
“And it’s definitely not schedule filler” 😂😂😂
@robertpearson8798 23 сағат бұрын
I have a friend who’s a retired machinist but still a hobbyist. He has a very minimalist attitude towards tooling, preferring to find ways around having to spend money on anything. He’s also tighter than the skin on a wiener.
@tacticalrabbit308 23 сағат бұрын
My dad bought a vice that I use on his drill press it was not made for it and will not mount securely to it
@JEFF-ft6qm 23 сағат бұрын
Great vid as always. One question though. How much should I spend on a small rubber duck?
@toddf4738 23 сағат бұрын
I went the opposite route on my rotary table. I thought a 10 inch would be good for my 18 inch round column mill. Found one on eBay that was local pickup (still 80 miles away). I realized I was in trouble when the guy loaded it into my pickup with a forklift. Turns out it was advertised incorrectly and was actually a 12 inch Enco indexing table weighing about 300 pounds. Used an engine hoist to put it on my mill to find that it hits the column well before the spindle reaches the center of the table. I still have it hoping that someday I will buy a mill that will handle it. I use an 8 inch rotary table most of the time.
@hollo9571 23 сағат бұрын
I paused and had a think after the introduction: my v-blocks with saddle clamps (never used), and my 4" rotary table (used once, vertically, balanced on top of a bunch of 1-2-3 blocks to give clearance while doing starting cuts on a worm wheel) were my first two thoughts. Delighted to see both subsequently featuring.
@springboard9642 23 сағат бұрын
If it were me, even if the logical part of me knew a tool only had one use case for my shop, my lizard brain would stop me from selling it 😂.
@robertpearson8798 23 сағат бұрын
Why not mount that little chuck to the little rotary table? It might not make it more useful but it will look really cute.
@BarryLitherland 23 сағат бұрын
What is a delicious differential constant ratio of linear and circular dimensions ... that's irrational.