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@Haifa386 20 сағат бұрын
what really bothered me is people compairing them to aoa or april when those open and closed cases of bullying within groups rather than a group going the pain of a survival show and some members feeling berated that some other were added so we do know if bullying within a group rather than cliques happening within the group and that caused some of the members to feel isolated and left out specially since eddie is young and grow up in america, so comparing it to monsta x and ikon is a more fair comparison. those groups got over it after the first group but with n.ssign it has stil going on, so I agree if they can't atleast get along as a group what is the point we don't want it to turn into something vicious.
@moonlight_antonio 20 сағат бұрын
I agree, especially because I.M. Is not from Korea, and both ikon, Monsta X, and n.SSign had the same, or at least a similar situation to each other. Also because all three are from survival shows. It’s a much better comparison then aoa I think.
@Haifa386 20 сағат бұрын
@@moonlight_antonio I really they can start bonding and becoming a team maybe after a well deserved break, this groups is really talented and deserve alot of love
@moonlight_antonio 20 сағат бұрын
@Haifa386 I think the company is overworking them. I really hope these guys get the vacation they deserve because if a group is being worked to such a point to where they are not in a good condition physically and mentally, that is going to cause even more problems in the long term. I think that’s what really concerns me most is that, this mental and physical health crisis that Eddie is dealing with may not be just a Eddie thing, but the group as a whole’s problem as well, and should be taken seriously. They need rest.
@Haifa386 19 сағат бұрын
@@moonlight_antonio I fully agree with you, we have seen this negative affect of this type of overworking on senior I can't imagine what it's going to arookie group that already been in through hardship being a survival show predebut it is too much
@Haifa386 21 сағат бұрын
I am just going add this small detail n.ssign are a survival group it's not uncommon to have this sort of dynamic is survival show groups special if a large groups on members trained each other or know each other and some are new or are foreign, in n.ssign case some of members went through a survival show which can be brutal while other memebers like eddie where added later so some of the members may have felt like it was unfair you can see that dynamic in rookie monsta x and ikon where their maknaes were added later on in the competition so the older member were awkward with them. Is it okay to do no but these are 16 to 22 year old boys so that mentality is understandable
@moonlight_antonio 20 сағат бұрын
Yes, and that’s what I’m thinking as well that there might’ve been some sense of animosity or even feelings of unfairness to add new members when those 3 members weren’t on the survival show and didn’t go through all of the hard and difficult situations with the rest of the members, so I totally understand that factor. I also remember Monsta X, and when I.M. first came, it was awkward because they just lost one of their original teammates and now this new guy who’s never worked with them before, comes along to replace the guy they lost. It was bitter sweet at the beginning but their bond became stronger than ever over time. I hope n.SSIGN will have the same success as a team and a brotherhood together. If things aren’t going right for the group right now, I hope they find that same love for each other that MONSTA X found.
@moonlight_antonio 22 сағат бұрын
This is in the description, but just incase, I thought I should leave this part in the comment section just incase someone wanted to comment on this. I looked into the matter concerning how the group was formed, I didn't watch the survival show, but apparently it's been reported that 3 members who didn't participate in the show, were added to the group, and that one of the 3 members is Eddie. If that is in fact true... then it might explain the possible animosity the other 7 members have towards the 3 members who were added, and it would also explain why Eddie and possibly the other members are not happy with the company n.CH Entertainment. So an argument could be made for that as well. I did not mention this in the video, simply because I don't have all the information regarding that to conclude anything, and while it is a fact that 3 members were added, it is unclear to me as to whether or not the 3 members were in the survival show but didn't make the 7 member line up and the company just decided to add the 3 new members after the 7 member group was established, so I just wanted to share it here for those who may know more about it and would like to share anything regarding this, but it's just something to ponder on and think about. and sorry for the long wait guys.
@lealarsen2017 23 сағат бұрын
true i have watched many sides of this. seoulite and other grown people who works in law and corporations. a lot of well educated people who is not biased to bts or hybe. and ALL of them point out the same as you. there is just something off about her. and not only talking about her sharman but she lies and picked a fight with other labels in hybe, and you shouldn´t do that. what happens inside should stay inside to protect all the labels from slander. i think she was deperate not to get fired so she lost it on tv trying deperately to win over the public. Hybe would not fire their highest paied CEO for no reason
@moonlight_antonio 21 сағат бұрын
Exactly. There’s just something off about the whole situation regarding Hee Jin and her manipulative behavior. Now you have lawsuits being filed against her and ADOR by B-lift and it’s because she opened her mouth and brought them into her little narrative of “copy cats & plagiarism”. I think she is worried honestly. Who knows what will happen next.
@ginadeacon9920 3 күн бұрын
You do look tired love. Happy Birthday to your Dad too 🎂 I'm 67 soon too!!! 😊
@ginadeacon9920 3 күн бұрын
Hiya Aves how are you ? 😅
@moonlight_antonio Күн бұрын
I’m tired these days lol
@ginadeacon9920 10 күн бұрын
Hi Aves just found out, unknowingly Unsubscribed!! Have no idea how or when it happened, but I'm back with some catching up to do. I didn't know you had Surgery, I'm glad you are recovering well. I have watched 'Riize' now & thought they are very good!! But this poor boy Sohee, I agree this is going to damage his organs. It's simple abuse. I get it as you pointed it out, the first year, they are pushed hard. It's recognised how 'hitting while the iron hot' is really needed in such a Competitve World. But we have these examples, Onew was shocking, so relieved he's back healthier now. What they did, was out of line to him, he could have really collapsed dangerously. So glad Netizens / Fans made a stand on his behalf. But this boy, needs care clearly. I am very concerned, who especially, is responsible for forcing this situation on him. That person is wrong, full stop. His health is in danger & he should have rest & a Dietition to support his recovery. End of.🤔🙄🫣😨🫶💯👏🙏🙏🙏 I understand
@moonlight_antonio 10 күн бұрын
KZbin tends to unsubscribe people from content creator’s KZbin channels a lot. I don’t know why that happens but they do that.
@ginadeacon9920 10 күн бұрын
@@moonlight_antonio 🤔🙄😨🫶🫶🫶
@AwakeningWings 10 күн бұрын
I feel like that commenter doesn't really know what's actually going on either. They are also speculating and saying you are spreading misinformation and all that stuff. And trying to guilt you into thinking you'd hurt Eddie's feelings. I don't even think Eddie would see this video but if he does we should stop speculating about his feelings being hurt or not. We all don't know him. That's why I mentioned in another video of yours, that fans and K-pop stans leave strange comments on KZbin videos and that I stopped interacting with them and leaving my own comments. You can't win with them, they are all like that. They react instead of taking the time to understand first.
@AwakeningWings 10 күн бұрын
I'm answering NingKook's comment on the chat. All idol groups have a parasocial relationship with the fans. It's how fans can get to know the idols, it's a strange idol worship thing going on. Not saying all parasocial relationships are bad, like the ones with Moonlight and us who watch his videos. Besides, Chan was answering a question someone asked and he didn't think to self-censor his words more or not say anything at all. I still don't think he needed to apologize but since IVE was having trouble he apologized. The only reason it needs to be censored is because people hate the truth and will turn their backs on the idols. And "fans" do still turn their backs on idols if they don't speak up either. So it's all just not a good situation. We live in a society that can't get along at all right now. Tensions are very high everywhere, there is no consideration or compassion where it's needed. Also, BTS has been in a parasocial relationship with fans since before they debuted, they were online a lot to promote themselves and their music; with their live streams and videos. Yes, they know a lot about ARMY. You have to give younger groups a break, they probably aren't used to these fan interactions. I knew Chan's live streams would cause trouble even when he first started those videos, people were taking everything he said out of context and so were the media. People were actually waiting for him to make mistakes. I once read a comment that said they wanted to see idols commit crimes and stuff. I think they wanted to see Stray Kids or Bang Chan commit a crime. Some people are just deranged and delusional. These aren't judgments, I'm stating my observations.
@AwakeningWings 10 күн бұрын
Maybe Eddie wants to leave and that's fine but he really shouldn't say this stuff publicly like that. It's okay if he's tired of it and wants to leave because that's his choice. But then he did sign a contract so we don't really know what will happen to the group. It's really not our business unless the company speaks up about it publicly and even then it's not a good idea to speculate at all. It causes more problems than solutions. Remember what happened to Woojin, he suffered so much because of the false speculations and rumors. It wasn't the news outlets that did that but still, fans can't be trusted. I mean "toxic fans" can't be trusted, and "well-meaning fans" can't be trusted either because they also don't know what's actually going on. And yes, news outlets did add fuel to the flames like they always do. I think that's what that person's comment was worried about, spreading false information but you didn't report on anything false.
@AwakeningWings 10 күн бұрын
People will speculate a lot about public figures because those people have nothing better to do than to judge these idols. It's fun for them, it's a form of entertainment. That's why I wonder if idols will ever get the respect or care they deserve from people? But Moonlight, you're just reporting on what's going on and sharing your opinion on it. You're not going around leaving comments that speculate anything. Your videos are based on actual facts that you researched. And yes you can miss some things but that doesn't mean people should criticize you for reporting on something that actually happened. People don't have to agree with your opinions but they should also realize judging your character isn't going to help the situation. You are one of the channels that care about the idols and you are genuine about it. Also, this is a suggestion, if your intuition tells you not to post a video maybe don't post it. Follow your intuition because it helps avoid conflicts you don't need. People's egos can't handle the truth because their level of awareness isn't at the reasoning and logical level.
@AwakeningWings 10 күн бұрын
Remember when I spoke about people's comments under KZbin videos. K-pop stans like to make up things and play the blame game. It's interesting because Eddie shared that publicly, why wouldn't people notice his words? If it wasn't meant to be public then Eddie shouldn't have posted it publicly to his fans. This is like the Bang Chan situation all over again. Idols should not trust fans like this. I wrote this comment right before you talked about not knowing Bang Chan lol
@kimurayumi4572 11 күн бұрын
Are you a close friend of Eddie? Did Eddie consult you directly? These are things you heard indirectly from other people, right? If so, you are spreading speculative stories on social media. From what you have said, many people get the impression that this group has a terrible relationship with others. This is very dangerous. If this information is not true, would you be responsible if this information causes the group to be misunderstood and forced to disband? And if Eddie does not want that to happen, you will have greatly hurt his feelings. In the first place, you did not even know that this group existed. To you, Eddie is a stranger. As a sender, you should think carefully about the horror and impact of deciding that one piece of information is everything and posting it on social media without knowing anything about it. Of course, the harsh labor of k-pop idols is a big problem that cannot be ignored. I would like to understand that.
@moonlight_antonio 11 күн бұрын
Firstly I wanted to apologize for my last response to your comment, I decided to delete it as I realized your honest concern with my video. I don't want to be rude or harsh concerning what you've said and your critiques. I see your point with regards to the last thing I said in the video. I may have misspoke when I said that I hope the members will have the decency to disband. What I meant was, IF IT IS TRUE, I hope that they will disband because a group not viewing themselves as a group, is not good for the longevity of the group. And no, I don't know if the other members feel the same way Eddie does, but this video is not to mislead anyone, so please understand that. I re watched the video, just to make sure that I wasn't speaking in absolutes about what I was reporting on, but I didn't find anything as harmful as what you've stated I did. The only thing I'm noticing is that you don't like that I talked about the news when I don't know anything about the group, or Eddie. That said, I don't agree with what you believe I've done here. The messages are real, the app he sent the messages on is real, and his feelings concerning the members appears to also be real. As for the other members, I don't know if they are in agreement or not, so I made the statement in the vid, "is he speaking for himself or the group as a whole?" How on earth would anyone know that? So I was reporting on the news and giving my thoughts on what I thought was going on. I simply just wanted to have an open honest discussion about it, but that said, I will do a better job of explaining things in the future so as to avoid misunderstandings. Thank you for your concern.
@kimurayumi4572 11 күн бұрын
@@moonlight_antonio I appreciate your understanding of my concerns and your polite response. This matter was originally mentioned by Eddie in a community tool with his fans. Eddie trusted his fans and confided his feelings to them. The fan felt a sense of crisis about his current situation and posted it on social media. However, the contents of this community tool are not supposed to be shared with others. I understand that the person who posted it was so worried about Eddie that they posted it. However, I think Eddie knew the rule that it should not be shared with others. How does Eddie feel now that his tweet has been made public? I feel the same way about him, but I am really worried about how Eddie feels about this situation and whether he is further hurt. I hope you understand that there are various backgrounds to this matter. I hope that you will continue to post with kindness. Thank you.
@moonlight_antonio 11 күн бұрын
@kimurayumi4572 I’m sure that a lot of people reported on this not knowing that it wasn’t something to be revealed to the public. I myself thought initially that since it was a public forum he was on when saying these things, that he wanted people to know, and as a result, everyone found out. I didn’t know a fan betrayed his trust, I understand that now. But unfortunately, it’s been reported on by people who don’t care about Eddie what so ever, however I do care and that is why I felt it was important to talk about it, so that people could come together and send support to him. I didn’t report on this because others did the same, I reported on it because I am concerned for idols who are having a hard time in the industry, and so likewise I am concerned for Eddie and what he said in the messages, to which I otherwise would not have known about had I not read about it. The information you revealed is information I was not aware of, but that is okay. I always say that if I’m missing something, please let me know, because all of us are a team. Sometimes I’ll research something but I might miss some details, but I never speak on something as an absolute fact, unless it is. That’s why I ask questions and wonder if this or that is the reason. I never want to hurt anyone’s feelings or upset anyone, I just want to report as always. I may not have known who this group was or who Eddie was until this news, but if I am concerned about something in K-pop, I want to address it, and this was worth bringing awareness to so that hopefully a positive change can come. I hope that the members will come together and love each other as a strong team, that’s my hope for every group. Thank you again for your concerns and in the future I will do better to improve my research on stories that are deeply important in K-pop like this one.
@kimurayumi4572 11 күн бұрын
@@moonlight_antonio There are many people like me who are concerned about the problems in the K-pop world. I hope that you will continue to provide information based on accurate information and in a fair manner. I am grateful that you responded so courteously to a single person's comment. Thank you very much.
@AwakeningWings 12 күн бұрын
BTS had little arguments lol But they get along fine and are genuine about it. Like when Jhope left and he only came back because he trusted them.
@AwakeningWings 12 күн бұрын
Is Eddie a foreign member of the group? I'm not familiar with this group. Sometimes it's just a job for people and other times it's genuine. You just need to read the energy in the room or read the room well. And Sometimes you'll have to work with people you don't like or a company you don't like just to make ends meet. You cannot change the way people perceive you, not even group members or family members. I remember hearing the members of Exo say this, they weren't actually friends, just work colleagues. Some groups are like this.
@brennathecatlover4360 9 күн бұрын
Ik exo at least now are close
@moonlight_antonio 8 күн бұрын
To answer your question as to if Eddie is a foreign member, he’s originally from America. And thankfully EXO are much closer than ever now. SHINee once said the same thing, but they too have become so close like brothers. If n.SSIGN are having a hard time with each other, I really hope that this group can become close like brothers as well.
@yunih1ro 12 күн бұрын
I think Eddie left now..☹️not it a rude way but if Eddie left I feel like this group should disband if each person is gonna leave. I don’t think they wanna be a group in my opinion
@user-do9kt4td1g 12 күн бұрын
エディは体調が今悪く休養しています。何も知らないのに適当な事は言わない様に😅
@anne-mariekubas1176 13 күн бұрын
I agree 💯 with you 👏 D.O is such a soul full singer and very talented...that's why he is my Ultimate bias in Exo.
@sweetthoughts7313 14 күн бұрын
I love Baekhyun
@cloverblue5206 15 күн бұрын
You're so right about Jonghyun's ability to fit the genre. Every time I listen to 'Aurora' from the 'She Is' album you can feel the influence of Prince.
@moonlight_antonio 15 күн бұрын
Yes! ‘Aurora’ definitely has that prince like feel to it and Jonghyun knew how to help create that feeling by singing in a way that is very reminiscent of prince, but in Jonghyun’s own special style and vocal tone. ‘Moon’ as well, It’s brilliant.
@dKso01_12 15 күн бұрын
D.O got the best vocal for me. I'm not qualified to compare them for I have no enough knowledge regarding analyzing vocal tones, range, style, or any other related factors in singing but as I watched Reactions to kpop idols being reacted or analyzed by professional vocal coaches, singers or anyone who have enough idea about it, they always love D.O. They praise him and even use his technique as an example. And I felt the same with them because everytime he opens his mouth, I'm getting goosebumps. His voice is very soothing and I felt his emotions. I just love hearing him sing all the time.
@moonlight_antonio 15 күн бұрын
I love your comment so much, because like you, I, too, am a layman when it comes to the proper way to analyze things like vocals and such. I know a little bit, but not enough to consider myself an expert in vocals, in any sense, but when I listen to D.O. I recognize why I love his voice and I look to find a way to explain why I love his voice. And honestly I don’t think anybody is truly qualified to compare vocals because it just becomes the breeding ground for arguments, misunderstandings, fan wars, etc. even some of the comments under this video have been misunderstandings of what I’ve said, even though I haven’t compared anyone’s vocals. I have a love and appreciation for each vocalist in. EXO, of course DO is my guy, but that doesn’t mean that Baekhyun and Chen don’t have a place on my list of top to your vocalist. I love them all equally. Really great comment. 🫶♥️
@dKso01_12 2 күн бұрын
@@moonlight_antonio Literally that everytime he opens his mouth, beauty comes out.
@xaan7458 16 күн бұрын
Ok but why would you think its a good idea to make a whole ass vid about this 😭. You're just bringing attention to it.
@moonlight_antonio 16 күн бұрын
Simple, It’s important. It NEEDS to be addressed. We gotta stop running away from these issues and address them head on in order to bring awareness to the issues we’ve been seeing in the K-pop industry for years now. Also, Idols don’t always get to speak up for themselves (for obvious reasons), so I want people to know about this, so that we can eventually do something about it hopefully. Nothing changes in a society If we don’t make our voices heard on these issues, even if we don’t have a lot of power, we still have a voice, and what the companies are doing is wrong. I trust that you agree with me on that. So why don’t we say something about it? I hope that answers your question why I made a video talking about this. Thank you for your question.
@ginadeacon9920 10 күн бұрын
@@moonlight_antonioagree on this one totally Aves. Gkad tou are highlighting it. Why anyone in their right mind, should think we shouldn't care, why??? That's inhumane 🤔🙄🫶💯👏
@jammievuong9667 16 күн бұрын
Baekhuyn is my choice. He is talented, consistent, and improving in every aspect of an all-around singer.
@brendamoor9832 16 күн бұрын
EXO. EXO makes a competent vocalist in Kpop :D
@chrisphillips276 16 күн бұрын
I agree about the assessment with Taeil, I prefer his tone than Doyoung but higher range singer definitely has more lines.
@luzledo 16 күн бұрын
D.O is my favorite Exo and whoever says that he doesn't sing well is that he is deaf, not only with listening to his first solo album but also his second or third album and collaborations that you have is incredible, there are people who say that he does not make an effort and the thing is that he does not have to make an effort as sometimes it seems that Chen strives with some high notes (I don't say it, I've heard it from some vocal coaches) D.O knows perfectly how to sing so that what is not seems simple...
@HailToTheMeep 17 күн бұрын
Happy birthday for this month. I can sympathise with your feeling of getting older. I’ve been feeling it every year since I was 16 😂 I can highly recommend a degree. All the best with that. But in terms of countries to explore, I heard terrifying things about foreigners in South Korea so please be careful. There are many other interesting countries around Asia such as Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia. Which I prefer personally due to the higher diversity in their populations. They are only a short flight to South Korea and other countries around Asia.
@ajasuncion6233 17 күн бұрын
Kyungsoo can hit those high notes too. He just sings in lower key than BH and JD. Plus no one thinks he can't sing. If there is, he / she is an anti. The line distribution is mostly entertainment company politics and not pure talent base. Kyungsoo in his group's early days sang tons of lines. It went less and less the moment he tries to be more independent like when he started to become an actor. The company hated it when they cannot cow money from Kyungsoo. That is why for me they give him lesser and lesser lines even than the lead vocalists of the group. See why he left the company. But look at him now thriving and slaying both as an idol and an actor. Thank you for speaking highly of Kyungsoo. 🎉🎉🎉🙂
@user-wl4cw1tq9s 17 күн бұрын
Thank you for your reaction and for opening up a discussion about this. I am not a vocal coach but I like to sing and I love music. A singer is good to me is one that they make me feel something when they sing. I tend to lean towards more soulful voices. Those are the types of voices I was raised listening to and that resonates more with me.
@moonlight_antonio 17 күн бұрын
Same, I was raised listening to soulful R&B and gospel type vocalists, so when I heard DO sing in ‘What Is Love’ I was blown away by how much soulfulness he has within his voice. He drew me to EXO.
@GMTS.soosoo 17 күн бұрын
I know exo since kokopop tempo love shot around that time i became a fan I really get disappointed after tempo especially and how it was unfair for kyungsoo like he get a one line and other member singing in the back and ad-libs just no screen time or even visible in the dance I really loved the album but after that it was getting worse like HMO for example even dftf album when there is just two main vocalist I believe it didn't start in tempo the war even back to monster every thing changed when exok exom became exo The company pushed him back, even in terms of promotion as a singer he had nothing to compare to chen and baekhyun so the fandom start to question his position as a main vocal in exo even said that suho is better than him it's not really just about high notes so if you become a fan after tempo for example you will know how good chen and baekhyun as a vocalist when there is nothing for kyungsoo in that song maybe you will not notice him especially those who don't know anything about singing or notice his ad-libs I believe everything has changed after 2023 kyungsoo get chance to promote himself as a singer and everyone noticed how good he is as a singer
@prescillasabalbarino-io5rp 17 күн бұрын
Baekhyun is the most competent, DO' stan think he is the most soulful lol. Did u really think so, did u hear iBaekhyun's songs, espcially his solo and OST's? U better listens each of thier songs first. It's ok to stan DO, but stop comparing, as a exol i love all of them, but of course my bias is Baekhyun. Baekhyun has been chosen to sing National anthem 3 times and 1 American anthem. Obviously, he is good andhe was chosen not just by fans but with a very good music teachers. They could have chose Chen, DO, or other verygood vocalist in the country and not Baekhyun, right there, its a chosen by professional musician, not just fans or vo al coach or teacher. It is chosen by professional mucisian in the country withour favoritism at all! So ucannot downgraded Baekhyun's ability to sing. Like Stray Kids says: Baekhyun, the vocal god, why they say that? Obviously they listens, lol!
@rakelyul9940 17 күн бұрын
@@prescillasabalbarino-io5rp I heard Baekhyun songs & still think Kyungsoo is the most soulful vocalist.
@AwanNgambang 4 күн бұрын
chen has the widest range & the most powerful vocal. Kyungsoo has the most beautiful vocal tone & the most agile vocal. And baekhyun sing the most national anthem 🤡
@moonlight_antonio 4 күн бұрын
@AwanNgambang I’m not understanding the clown face reference… Why the clown face?
@moonlight_antonio 4 күн бұрын
Let’s not call people clowns for having a personal opinion about peoples vocals. Let’s be respectful OK?
@jtwuqi5425 17 күн бұрын
Chen has one of the best if not the best lower register among kpop vocalists. Kpop songs are usually sung high key so he isn't able to showcase it much in exo songs. He does use it more in his solo music though.
@beamiras7690 17 күн бұрын
Baekhyun and D.O are my ult biases in EXO. And EXO is my fav group ever. Amazing voices, personality, discography. I love them.❤❤❤
@najmab-x1w 18 күн бұрын
you’re clearly not familiar with most of exo’s music cause using baekhyun as an example of a vocalist being “more pushed” makes no sense considering he NEVER had the most lines in ANY exo album until obsession - 2019 (and that’s because d.o wasn’t there.) 😭 mama: both chen & d.o had more lines than baekhyun overdose: chen had the most lines, baekhyun & d.o had the same amount ex’act: d.o had the most lines, baekhyun & chen had the same amount the war: both chen & d.o had more lines than baekhyun universe: both chen and d.o had more lines than baekhyun tempo: chen had the most lines love shot: chen had the most lines the reason people believe baekhyun was more pushed in exo is only because he’s always been a fan favorite both in exo and as a soloist. it feels very odd to use him as an example as if he’s not objectively one of the most skilled vocalists in kpop and very much NOT only good at high notes. he actually has a very controlled lower register as well, not to mention his agility all throughout. don’t use one of the best just to push someone else up.
@Yoongieswife 17 күн бұрын
I disagree. I believe until Exok and exom merched, he got less lines likely because he hasn't improved yet at that time and was trained for lesser than other vocalist. Than when both merched, he and chen got them high notes and lines, ig kyungsoo is more of a adlib guy in exo songs after that. Even in eldorado, drop that or miracles in December it was clearly seen that Chenbaek got them lines. I also believe Baek is kinda pushed up, not in a bad sense but I'd say promotion. He's even part of SuperM which I thought if they choosed a better one it would have been Chen but no, I don't mean baek is any less or lower. He has the best vocal versatility & color so far and nails every genre, and he get lines. Tbh I even believe Suho gets more lines than Kyungsoo, if not for D.Os adlibs, he won't even be known by people as main vocalist because of his lack of lines. Example hear me out.
@moonlight_antonio 17 күн бұрын
I said I believe that DO got pushed further and further back over time, especially in ‘War the power of music’ era and ‘love shot’ era. I noticed it before DO went into the military, that his lines lessened with those two albums mainly. If you don’t think so, that is fine. I have listened to EXO for years (as I’m sure you have as well), you have your belief and I have mine. If you think I’m wrong, that’s fine too, but I won’t tell you that if you disagree with me then you know nothing about EXO or that your not familiar with they’re music, so let’s not turn this discussion into a (you don’t know what your talking about) type argument because it’s really not as serious as that. I have a bias for all the vocalist, I simply pointed out something (I) noticed with DO’s lines in EXO’s discography that’s all. Let’s chill ok? Lol
@moonlight_antonio 17 күн бұрын
They all have they’re different colors and styles of singing that they bring to the group, so I’m not a person that prefers one singer over the other. My point was singers shouldn’t be judged as better than or worse than based on who can sing higher. That’s the point of the video. That’s why I talked about DO, Baekhyun, and Chen in the first place.
@moonlight_antonio 17 күн бұрын
I agree with you. Some of the lines that DO got were not even lines, it was add Libs, riffs, and runs. And i think Baekhyun became the voice of EXO in a sense that his voice became showcased more than any other member’s voice. Perhaps it’s a case of (the fans spoke, the company listened), and I think that’s how that went basically. Like you, I also don’t believe that Baekhyun was pushed up in a bad sense, I just think that DO kind of got reduced to Mr. ad lib guy, and a line here and there overtime.
@Yoongieswife 17 күн бұрын
@@moonlight_antonio totally agree, I'm a huge funk R&B person, even though the first member I discovered was Baekhyun and his album for my friends suggesting due to me liking R&B, it doesn't hit the spot until I heard Kyungsoo, there's just that tone that's been trained and brought up in a specific genre that u can't miss, esp his agility and soul voice. It's after Baekhyun that I discovered exo in late 2021 and ran through their discography, I just realized that Kyungsoo had literally just ahh ohh yea like this oh yea over every song background but no proper lines before enlistment and him being treated as sh!t until he said fxck it and left for military early to come back soon and get back on his new acting project. Seeing their old XOXO era, those were the times when atleast those lines were fair for the vocalist 🤡 My apologies I'm yapping a lot but idk why some people at this point still think my boi Baekhyun got less lines like have y'all thought of Yixing? Sehun? Main vocalist Doh Kyungsoo?
@zeliacannavo8280 18 күн бұрын
For me Beakhyun is the king of king s...he s voice is juste amazing...
@chanellacyvanillepadilloss1471 18 күн бұрын
This is why I hate some exols who compare between D.O., Chen and Baekhyun. Sure, Chen and Baek can definitely belt those notes but you can't compare D.O.'s runs and riffs to them. They have their own strengths and it's nonsense to compare them just to justify who you think is better. The three of them are just the best on their own league.
@Yoongieswife 17 күн бұрын
@@chanellacyvanillepadilloss1471 Kyungsoo is actually the best belter in EXO so far. His A4 note in For life live as well was so resonate and supported that I almost believed it was prerecorded and stabilized (which is not true, man sang it LIVE), his belt in Rewrite the stars, MAMA and Love me right were literally so supported as well. D.O advantage is his agility, he has the best agility in kpop in general, no one touch him at agility, his voice timber, highnote as in belting, (Idk about falsetto tho, I think Baek is better) his runs and riffs, and his tone damn his tone is so R&B funk coded that it's a shame he hasn't pulled a R&B album yet and destroyed the kpop best vocal debate.
@moonlight_antonio 17 күн бұрын
Totally agree. They all bring something of their own personal vocal talents to the group respectively.
@moonlight_antonio 17 күн бұрын
I’m STILL waiting for THAT album to drop fr haha! He would totally crush it if he did a funk R&B album. I want it badly. 😣🙏
@Yoongieswife 17 күн бұрын
@@moonlight_antonio I just wanted to inform u that I was trained in Indian classics so I'm atleast familiar with vocal techniques and tones better than some here. I'm seeing a lot of Baekhyun stand bashing u in the comments because you said something about him apparently(?)😭 Idk why they're so offended at saying Kyungsoo is better in R&B which is a fact but please watch it out for them negativity with the contents you're making. Always supporting your work tho!
@AwanNgambang 4 күн бұрын
Umm but actually, d.o competes with chen as the best belter of the generation. Some vocal analyst think d.o is the best belter if he's not hesitant. His only weakness is only his range, but his range is more than enough to sing
@SA-gi4yb 18 күн бұрын
Kyungsoo is really something unique, SM themselves have been trying to re-discover that voice and even atp thrice promoted debuting idols as being the new D.O. but never once succeeded. It's a shame they derailed his singing career for so long, but so proud and full of expectations now that he's making it priority under his own company. Regarding competence in exo - one only needs to watch a live show - anyone who's seen exo live knows whose showing competence. Kyungsoo is the backbone of exo's whole sound and having listened to cream soda and particularly the recording behind - his falsetto happens to currently be the most comfortable of the group. It's impossible to go back and check because exo mainly sang according to part but now that they've made these solo endeavours it's quite clear currently Kyungsoo has a higher range than one would think and the most likely reason he was on so much of the lower parts is purely due to his versatility. Nobody else can switch between range like him.
@jtwuqi5425 18 күн бұрын
It's funny because Chen is a weird case where people know him as the loud pitch super high note belter, but in fact, his lower and middle registers are even better. Showing that the ability to sing high notes overshadows other aspects of singing
@moonlight_antonio 17 күн бұрын
That’s so true. He has a unique tone to him, and can execute lower notes like at the beginning of ‘Going Crazy’ I was shocked to hear him sing in such a low register with such ease. Usually high note singers aren’t as good with low register notes, but Chen did so well in that song. Also I have two of Chen’s albums and he is such a graceful singer, really I am in a continuous state of being impressed by him.
@zeid9828 18 күн бұрын
One of the clues I know when a kpop idol is a good or great vocalist is that if they can produce a stable vibrato constantly. Every great singer in the world uses vibrato a LOT when singing. It's just a basic technique if you know how to sing. You'll be surprised on how many kpop idols struggle or can't even do this basic singing technique . 💀
@Yoongieswife 17 күн бұрын
@@zeid9828 ayo this so true, it's just not about the vibrato, but tbh vibrato is more used by pop artist often. Leaving vibrato aside, some kpop idols don't even have normal proper technique such as pitch control, rhythm, diction or dynamics. Even during behind recordings or stage performance as well, I've seen fan praise artist for vocals but it's more like "oh I like his/her tone than she must be the best among them" Ahh opinion rather than knowing techniques 🤡
@angiee1603 18 күн бұрын
I agree. Singing high notes is nice, but it isn't everything. When I think of vocal range as a way to judge someone's ability, I think of their entire range. Like Baekhyun can sing very high, but he also has a very good lower range. If you are going to use range to judge someone, it can't just be how high can they sing, because some people's voices are just lower. D. O. has a lower speaking voice than Chen and Baekhyun so it makes sense to me his singing voice wouldn't reach as high. What I think is truly impressive when it comes to range is how wide your range actually is. I think part of the problem is Kpop generally favors singers who can do mid to higher ranges. They don't utilize the lower range voice for much more than rapping and harmonies. Otherwise the deeper voices stay in the middle. I heard once that V from BTS is basically a baritone voice constantly singing in a tenor range because that's how most of the group's music is. That is also what the industry likes.
@n.137 18 күн бұрын
same thing goes to BTOB, we didn't compare who is the best vocalist because we know each of them have different specialty. they have 2 tenor(Eunkwang & Changsub) and 2 baritone(Hyunsik & Sunghae) main vocalists. But people outside the fandom usually acknowledge the tenors' more than the baritones' Thankfully that most of their songs were composed by the members so they can utilised their talent in each song. Each chorus will be sang by different vocalist.
@user-zd3ll4mm1d 18 күн бұрын
IU はD.O.と共演した時、「彼の歌は簡単そうに思うが、いざ歌ってみると難しい」と言っていた。NCT の名前は忘れたが、D.O.のクンチャナを歌ったことがあり、彼の歌はプロが歌っても難しいのだとわかった。ただIUはこの曲を見事にカバーしている♪長くなってすみません。私が言いたかったのは、ギョンスはK-pop でずば抜けた才能の持ち主だと言うことです♪
@kathybernatchez8473 18 күн бұрын
Chen, Baekhyun and D.O. are my favorite singers. I think Doyong and Taeil have amazing voices. Jonghyun had an incredible voice too and is not Chinese.
@moonlight_antonio 14 күн бұрын
Exactly, Jonghyun is not Chinese
@torikpop822 18 күн бұрын
In NCT 127 Taeil has a higher range than doyoung, but doyoung's tone is softer than Taeil and SM prefer doyoung's tone than Taeil's. Just like AESPA. Wintercan sing higher than ningning, but ningning's tone when hitting high notes sounds less force and it's more pleasing to the ear than winter's.
@moonlight_antonio 18 күн бұрын
Ah! okey, I've listened to Taeil and Doyoung but because they are both so similar in vocal range but not in vocal tone, I had a hard time with noticing which of them sang higher. I was almost sure it was Taeil, but it's Doyoung. Thank you for this comment.
@MacmaxxVoczz 15 күн бұрын
@@moonlight_antonioTaeil has wider range than Doyoung. Doyoung is just a hard working vocalist “surpassing his vocal limits”.
@ddsworld16 18 күн бұрын
D.O. aka Doh Kyungsoo by far is my top 1 vocalist. Eventho his vocal range not as wide as Chen and Baek or other wide vocal range singer.. but what make him stand out to me is his vocal tone, soulfullness and his run. His vocal tone alone make me love all song he sang rightaway, whatever genre it is. No songs he sang failed to me even its his own songs or just covers. But for others, not all their solo discography i like, but its trully because of my personal taste. Like IU said, Kyungsoo songs are easy to listen and look simple but if u tried to sing it, its actually hard. Thank you... i agree with you. A good vocalits is from all range, not only from high register. My fave man vocalist so far are D.O. and chanyeol. After that Chen. For woman singer my fave are Lee Suhyun of AKMU and then IU and Ailee.
@moonlight_antonio 18 күн бұрын
I’m so glad you brought up Chanyeol! He has a raspy, yet soulful voice that is so interesting to listen to, and he is another vocalist that is slept on. I think he deserves a video just for him. People NEED to see just how vocally talented Chanyeol is. He’s not just a rapper, he’s a secret weapon vocally just like Kai. SM should have done more to promote Chanyeol as an established vocalist. I will definitely do videos talking about international artists vocals, both male and female artists.
@user-zd3ll4mm1d 18 күн бұрын
全く同感します。
@user-wl4cw1tq9s 17 күн бұрын
Chanyeol is definitely my 2nd fav after Kyungsoo. I just absolutely adore both of their tones. Skill is certainly needed but I don’t need a vocalist to hit a bunch of high notes. I just need their voice to resonate with me.
@user-dz7se7ek8v 18 күн бұрын
I agree with your comments re Jonghyun. An artist to be remebered and treasured as one of the best of the best.
@user-dz7se7ek8v 18 күн бұрын
Vocal stability I thought was associated with dancing/movement at same time as singing. Which again EXO excel in. But I am happy to have the correct definition. e.g. EXO Gravity
@moonlight_antonio 18 күн бұрын
You’re right. It involves both dancing while singing and just singing, so and and both