Look, I'm sorry. Grammatically what is stated is explicitly clear. Now if you want to argue that they didn't mean what they wrote, that's fine, but RAW by the nature of the english language either spell is a valid preparation for any given slot. It makes it clear that this is a restriction on these slots, and it is the only restriction plzced on them. You can have a mix of bane and bless if you so choose. It's made further clear when you add the other 2 spells and you add them to the list of spells you can prepare in your battle font. I know people try to read more into what's said, but what they wrote is crystal clear.

Battle harbinger could make a very interesting knife fighterm daggers going to 1d6 and getting crip spec, plus being able to riasenhit chances and lower enemy AC......

BH is kinda lame, you give up multiple upcasted Heal for upcasted bless etc which is practically same as rank 1 bless. You also cannot take any of the feats that need a heal/harm font. And in return you get to be a lame divine not-magus coz you cannot spellstrike or use the font for channelsmites

Seems like Empowered Onslaught was made as a reaction to balance it a little. Cause afaik, you don't get any new class feats that grant you an additional reaction to only do something like Fighters or Champions do. So if you use it, no reactions until your next turn. So it's basically a big gamble to further debuff your enemies. But it doesn't change the fact that this class archetype effectively makes YOU the boss battle. I find it to be pretty cool, and might even give me an excuse to play a Cleric for once. Idk, guess we'll see.

Did I hear Amogus? Haha

Very well made archetype, looks fun. Hoping to see more class archetypes that change class core mechanics like this in the future.

the battle harbinger being based around bless and bane is a really cool choice, really leaning into the style many warclerics already went for - and with the remaster massively increasing the range of both of these spells from 5ft to 10ft (bane) and 15ft (bless), further increasing in 10ft increments rather than mere 5 I can honestly see this class becoming one of my favorite melee concepts in this game, that already offers the highest variety in play style options. Really like how they approached the concept of a class archetype in this one and I hope they play around more with core mechanics of a class for their next archetypes - seeing how they handled the battle harbinger I can't help but feel like some other class archetypes like vindicator or slayer could've pushed the envelope way further. I mean those two for example play way more along the lines of a basic subclass compared to this here, and while a subclass is always a welcome addition I feel like going the way of an archetype opens up the design space to pinpoint the specific class fantasy you're trying to sell. Just imagine if spellshot was designed after this book came out, so much potential there.

Compare this to the battle oracle! What have they done...

I’d be willing to try Battle Harbinger. I play a Faith’s Flamekeeper Witch in Abomination Vaults and thanks to a Staff of Providence + sacrificing one of my highest spell slots to prepare the staff with extra charges + being a Nephilim with Extraplanar Supplication, half my PC’s gameplay is literally just casting Bless every combat

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Battle Harbinger of Hei Feng: FUCK IT, WE BALL

Def my favorite class archetype.

Exigent is far better than you realize.

"You can prepare only bane or only bless ..." would be specific. Since the phrase lacks the second 'only' then one is lead to assume a battle harbinger can use these slots to prepare any mix of bane and bless, but no other spells.

You can at least grab Syncretism to snag a second favoured weapon and some fun Edict/Anathema mixing. Little costly a class feat for maybe but its an option and not too bad for human ancestry. 100% easier to just choose a deity that suits better especially because you wont really be using the focus spells or granted spells (outside of the usual martial-friendly buffs). If you really want to be able to tell people that yeah sure, you're a follower of Folgrit and all about that community and home and taking care of kids... But Angradd has a point that a great-axe would be great for home defense.

I think I like both types of Class Archetypes, the ones that just slightly alter a class, AND the ones that basically make a whole new class! I hate the term Obvious. I think it's either/or, and if you get the feat that gives you the other two, than it's any of them. I can really see running Bless and Malediction to give massive bonuses to hit and crit to all your melee. I think I would skip Exigent Auras, and just go with Bless and Benediction vs mindless creatures. This may be the only time I've wanted more feats than there are feat slots!

Class Archetypes that change basic proficiency progressions are exactly something I wanted for quite some time!

The biggest problem I find with BH is that it doesn't do enough natively as a CA. The illusion of choice is real, as if you don't take the feats offered to BHs, you end up being a weaker Warpriest, or a glorified Champion that took a divine spellcasting dedication that doesn't scale to an impactful degree.

My favourite class archetype since Nonat stream on the book. So hype

I'll add it to the growing list of classes I want to try.

It feels so weird that they didn't allow clerics to use Deity's favoured ability as a choice for key ability. Especially for battle harbinger, you have 1str/dex less than it's direct comparsion magus. It's also so weird to have a separate metric for each deity that ONLY matters for 1 background.

For the Spellstrike potential cant you use harm spells with attacks thx to Channel Smite? Edit: now that i think about It, there is not a feat that allows you to prepare "both heal and harm spells if the deity allows It" that would add those tò "Bane", "bless", "malediction" and "benediction"? Should work with the " worship" 2 Gods feat

I kinda wish a couple of the features were built in instead of being feats.

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I totally watched this entire compilation video. OK, I actually didn't. But, engagement! I really like these archetypes and the Rivethun faith lore for dorfs. The Emissary links up to my love of tutelatory gods. The invoker is cool to, plus it gives me a pattern to copy for archetypes giving bonus damage without me worrying I'll break the game. Involurionist is OK too I guess.

Took me a hot minute to realize this was the compilation video and was thinking I had heard you say all this before.

Its interesting how archetypes have changed over the course of the game

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What’s the dealio? Where is the battle harbinger video?

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“It’s a simple archetype, but it’s honest feats.”

A build doesn't have to be min-maxed to be good/effective.

Nice. I wonder if it would be worth to fit Double prey into the build somewhere, perhaps in place of mobility. It can save an action in many battles if you already have a next prey once the first one has been cut to ribbons.

Worth repeating that this is spontaneous divine spellcasting using your Wisdom. I believe that all other spontaneous spellcasting archetypes use INT or CHA, so this is a first. And even though it's easy to put Wisdom on most classes since it's a defensive stat and all, this dedication doesn't require +2 Wisdom to take. There appear to be a few other spellcaster dedications that don't require +2 in a mental stat, mostly printed in APs, but this might be the most approachable one to take (as long as you work with your GM over the Uncommon tag / Rivethun access)

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I feel like this archetype could maybe help out Zoophonia bards to a degree, that muse has been a bit of a disappointment to me and it kinda required free archetype to comfortably be able to pick up beastmaster before. Usually with Beastmaster being the best animal companion focussed archetype you'd take that over ranger or druid multiclass everyday and then miss out on some of that versatility to get the most out of that animal companion but that particular mix the Involutionist offers might make me pick this one over Beastmaster for this specific character concept. Extra utility spells are always great on a bard and even if your wisdom won't be your highest ability you do have full caster proficiency and actually could make use of a variety of spells, so I feel like this could be an interesting match of two misfit character options. I mean even just getting some divine support spells you normally couldn't access is pretty good, so maybe this is the archetype that can make round out that bard subclass a bit, atleast I'm curious to try building around that a bit. Not without free archetype of course because you absolutely will still need a lot of feats to get this machine rolling, but I'm curious to see how it would perform.

The Rivethun religion is the first time I am more interested in the fluff than the crunch. I can see being druid and just worshiping, without taking any dedications.

Rivethun Emissary is way more my vibe, but I have to say I am super glad to see them breaking up the self-buff/setup into two single actions into a two-action activity, I bet it'll make it flow so much nicer! Will make it a lot easier for gishy spellcasters too. Personally I kind of hate having to spend the bulk of a whole turn just powering up so I can actually get to doing cool stuff.

I could see this being useful for Goblins (Wolf Mount), Champions, Thaumaturges maybe, Battle Harbinger Clerics, Summoners maybe? I agree with you that the extra action for the spirit damage feels pretty harsh.

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Could be interesting in a bard. Extra spells and a pet

It feels like we should've gotten feats or items that make animal companions attack a different type apart from B,P,S

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I've got a group of new players whom I didn't want to overwhelm with options right out of the gate. One of them wanted to play a necromancer with the reanimator archetype. I'm planning to give them free archetype (or ancestry paragon) if and when he revives anyone so they don't have to rebuild the entire character. Prolly gonna handle it differently in the future as I'd like starting seasoned players out with these options. Not sure what to do for the necromancer though...

This is an alternative way to be a nature warrior but I think you could most of these feats while in one of the druids animal form.