Oh look, it's Francis Fukuyama, I guess he really has nothing to say at this stage? Given history ended decades ago, and the world is simply moving towards an enlightened ideal/ordeal?

Appalling This guy is not liberal but socialist He is blinded by his own ideology and political bias This is not a good example of free and logical thinking

What a mess america has been headed this way for decades republicans have been destroying and lying their way to power forever trump is the product he embodies Reagan’s and Gingrich power at all costs mentality none of them cared about anything but themselves ever

My own country is just inches away from becoming Fascist! The land that I grew up believing was a refuge for the broken and dispossessed of the world is now comparable to the oppressive regimes that once drove people to our shores.

I guess it may be a matter of personal bias but it is not clear to me that democrat’s policies are more “liberal” than maga policies.

Man I like Tim and what he has to say on Ukraine but sometimes he loses me with outrageous stuff when it comes to trump. He says “ trump might have just given Ukraine to Putin” that statement is ridiculous. Delusional in the highest order.

God bless General and protect him.Thank you for his perspective and prudence for war is a very dangerous mission on earth.

What a wonderful guest and a great discussion. Thank you. RS. Canada

There is talk about the West not in control of the world today any more. I feel uneasy about such idea. If so who control the world from now on? Should BRICS control our world? Certainly not in my opinion. China is totalitarian nation. Russia is not far from totalitarian. Then they talk about non-West are major number of population and GDP. What are people thinking about? If about new world order then our world will be ordered by totalitarian in the near future or what? The idea is like going toward hell hole to me.😮😮😮

Very interesting discussion. All the panelists brought some great insights and information to the table.

It's quite an odd decision to have only a single sentence about Ukraine at the end of this podcast. Not simply odd but rather shameful. This is becoming a world war if it already isn't one, with a genocidal and terroristic aggressor (Russia) on one side and the future of the international world order on the other. Why isn't this front and center almost every day? It's astonishing. Almost as astonishing as the number of Americans who voted for Trump.

Trump maybe getting his way, but China could very well just leave the table. Korea and Japan falsely believe they need to be protected from China's invasion. Chinese gave a nickname to Trump '川建國(NationBuilder)‘ meaning it helps build China stronger. Chinese students had gotten bad treatment in America, they will turn to other countries.

Has it occurred to anyone that Netanyahu knows all this, and he's deliberately trying to radicalize Palestinian society?

As always, this program made relentless sense. 😂

The reason i chose mr Trump because no one can read his move and he is unbiased which is important in the world bullied by gang warfare. But the side of laws , order and civilization standard is top priority

Great interview!

More elitists, totally disconnected from the average man, who will never get it and believe they need to do our thinking for us.

Thanks! Freezing the settlements? No way. Israel wants to get the whole of palestine.

These are well-educated elite individuals, likely graduates from so-called esteemed universities. I wouldn’t be surprised if all three cast their votes for Kamala.

In America, international war criminals are treated as venerable statespersons.

The chaos that surrounds Trump is very entertaining for an outsider like me to witness. I look forward to watching the unfolding story in the coming 4 years+

Empire is expensive. America pays for the subservience of its allies (like Europe). Europe gives up the burden of providing for its own security but at the cost of independence. But if NATO is a serious alliance, then Europe needs to start paying. If it doesn't, cut them off--no more American security guarantees. If that means Europe becomes independent from America so be it. We have enough expenses here at home and Europe is wealthy enough to come up with its own security arrangements if it really wants to.

I think that Canada should increase its defence budget NOW to 2% of GDP to show the Americans that we are serious about no longer hiding under the American umbrella of protection. RS. Canada

I'm sorry, no. The Abraham Accords were a disaster for the Middle East. The Trump administration went out of its way to fuck over the Palestinians, with the result of radicalizing them and paving the way for October 7 and the current war.

An end of the postwar order is at hand.

To understand why trump won dems elites must look at the mirror. Weakness in everything. Every decision making process was at slow speed and always delayed. Biden began his term with horrible withdrawal from Kabul. He didn’t stop chaoswith illegal immigration, because he was afraid to take wrong decision. Biden didn’t stop putin from invading Ukraine. He could but instead he made a deal with putin to protect NATO by allowing him to occupy Ukraine, and do whatever he wants . In November 2021 Burns visited moscow twice. As a coward he didn’t believe that Ukrainians have will to fight. Standard thinking for a person without courage and will to fight. He thinks the same about others. Sullivan was spreading his fear among the world on how much USA is afraid of escalation. Of course putin, Iran, North Korea, China, Maduro and bunch of tiny dictators around the world woke up and started to unite, because White House is afraid. And Sullivan was speaking publicly about Bidens fear. Fear of escalation, which pushes other side to escalate further. Cowardice in everything. Empty promises. Only 18 planes were delivered to Ukraine in almost 3 years of war. No missiles, helicopters and only 1 Patriot system was delivered to Ukraine from 6 promised by Biden in June. Ukraine received only 15% from 60 bln package approved by Congress in April. So far Biden didn’t show Congress his vision or plan on how to help Ukraine to win the war. Sullivan said that he can control the chaos, helping Ukraine and Israel without escalating… fucking delusional idiot. Full of fear idiot. After Biden said “Don’t” Iran bombed Israel and ruZZia destroyed largest children’s hospital in Europe. UN fall under control of world dictators because of Bidens weak foreign policy. World is laughing at mighty USA under management by little full of fear and completely delusional old man. Old man who was so delusional about himself and his own abilities to manage the country in such turbulent times, that he decided to run for second term. And Dems elites approved it!!! Who are the elites at Dems party? Clinton and Obama’s clans. After disastrous debates they pushed biden to resign. Too little, too late. As always was with Biden and his administration. How much he stabbed Kamala in a back we will find out later. Obviously if she had a full year to prep, results could be different. Biden allowed ruzzian FSB to spread their narratives and propaganda among US political elites, journalists, and business. Putin spent tens of billions of dollars on all those useful idiots. It was obvious, not for Biden. First FBI reports came only in September this year!!! Now about Dems campaign mistakes. Ppl always vote for person of action. Not for someone who is in slow mode all his life. Of course I’m pointing at Biden, not Harris. But Harris didn’t separate herself from Biden enough. In ppls minds she was continuation of Obama/Biden polices. She wanted to think about herself as a new fresh beginning but her campaign managers were bidens campaign managers! They didn’t want to separate her from Bidens 4 years in the White House. Big mistake. Honestly, they didn’t have much time. Dems also underestimated the power of internet and new wave journalism. They should be able to arrange interviews with leading internet podcasts, like J Rogan. She could fly to Austin instead of demanding Mr Rogan to follow her schedule. She needed him more. Too late now. Very sad. Country needs a strong leader and team of strong personalities during such difficult and turbulent times. Kamala could be a great choice but due to weakness of Dems Elites and Biden himself, she lost.

That was interesting and certainly more pragmatic than the nonsense I just heard on the Hoover Institution podcast. One point I would mention is, the estimates of illegal immigrants in the US, float between 10 and 20 million and at an estimated cost to repatriate these individuals to their respective countries at a minimum of $15k. The price of of this wholesale mischief is conservatively in the hundreds of billions of dollars. I, for one, am hoping that the lack of governmental competence will sink most of Trump's plans. I believe we absolutely need a new era of effective & professional leadership in this country. I would argue that Trump is not that.

Very interesting and informative. Thank you

What exactly are these allies doing? There's a lot of handwaving about how our greatest strength is our allies. Well these are Their problems. We should be aligned. What exactly are they adding when we show up to help them with their issues? The Europeans can't support a war in their backyard. The middle east is filled with unreliable, unlikeable, needy powers that were more than happy to not cooperate on energy prices with Biden and are repeatedly seeding problems. Taiwan is valuable but doesn't seem to take their own defense seriously. The Japanese are acting... as they should because it very much is their problem if China boxes the US out. Repeatedly experts are unable to clearly articulate why their status quo set up is worthwhile. There's no obligation the American people can't take on so they can be feted in foreign capitals. American policy experts refuse to make the case for their policies then get flummoxed when the democracy rejects them.

Excellent content and narrative

One of our biggest failures, if not the biggest failure in regards to Ukraine, was the Biden's administration and NATOs slow rolling of arming Ukraine and allowing the Ukrainians to strike deeper into Russia hitting targets in Moscow or St. Petersburg.

The way this "interview" started, it's pretty clear there are a lot of bruised people speaking here and all their analysis has a negative slant .... perhaps your interviewees just don't understand what has just happened (or what will happen) any more than they realized what has happened over the past few years? Wake up! A majority of "adults" voted for our next president. Hope you balance your future "interviews" a bit more realistically. But I guess what you really believe is that you are the only "adults in the room"?

I don't like saying this but I am relieved that Trump won because the immediate risk of political violence has gone away - for the time being anyway . I know that this is just postponing a possible confrontation but hopefully it will give time for sensible and responsiiblle leaders to emerge and work to calm the situation and unify the country .

It is strange to look a Trump as a victim of violence, when he is the biggest instigator of violence, but this is what happened on its face. The important question is why. Both attempts were made by what appears to be conservatives. I am a conservative as well. Sharing their anger, but strongly disagreeing with their "solution". Trump opened the door of violence, and often suggests it as a solution.

Great episode!

Your politics are showing, Mr. Pape.

Political violence or not, it depends on the geographical location and political perspective. Convenience.

Angry Kotkin is best Kotkin

Keep going, Victor 🎉🎉🎉

What a distorted view about China’s ambition, as it arises again as the world’s biggest economy. USA created a circle of nuclear bases, QUAD, AUCUS , technology sanctions to contain China. So China innovates with Armament, sea and air defenses, BRI and BRICS . America’s hegemony is over

Steve too bias to say ànything

Thank you for this wonderful interview, so full of determination and hope. I was fortunate to know Martin when I was also a postgraduate student at the Australian National University Department of International Relations in 1970s.It's been fantastic to be able to listen to him over the last 20 years or so and very hard to know that we won't hear anything more. The Australian accent and an American intonation, so distinctive. I'm sure there will be plenty of future heroes in bringing the two state solution to realisation, but Martin should be honoured with them.

Will she guide Trump on foreign affairs?.

If the USA isolates itself, other powers will fill the void. I live in a South American country and China is increasingly active here

Even if China surpasses America, it won't surpass America combined with Europe, Japan, Australia and India. As long as America doesn't do stupid shit that alienates its allies, it'll be fine.

I find it rather understated that the US did, "grudgingly" arrange themselves with odd dictator or autocrat- c'mooon folks, following ww2 you were responsible for some of the most notorious coming into power!

Domestic "Translational Justice" is a recurring issue in democracies. What do we do with all of the citizens who 'lose' a political movement? How does Civil Society purge the ideology of an insurrection nonviolently?

I'm still trying to figure out the allure of strongmen myself. The death of actual experts has given to the rise of "barber shop" or BRO philosophy where everyone thinks they can understand a difficult subject with very superficial knowledge. So the average person doesn't look like a fool, they will engage in activities such as rallies. When you get caught up in slogans and simple rhetoric, there is only time for yelling and violence, not deep understanding. So if "dear leader" has a personality cult that reaches a fever level, then the average person won't make waves and will fall in.

Brilliant!

Trump lacks any shred of human decency, humility or caring. He is morally bankrupt, breathtakingly dishonest, lethally incompetent, and stunningly ignorant of virtually anything related to governing, history, geography, human events or world affairs. He is a traitor and a malignancy in our nation and represents a clear and present danger to our democracy and the rule of law.”