A noob won with ... Norse...Loki.....Fimbulwinter ( x 7832238). Shocker.
@johnarbiter12 күн бұрын
@@Jaz_4u_2 hahahaha
@pedroreis707812 күн бұрын
I was too eager to get the middle and the hirdman guy killed me from behind 😂
@johnarbiter12 күн бұрын
That guy loved his hirdman hahahahaha
@iota021613 күн бұрын
Son of osiris voice emits godhood
@csguba21 күн бұрын
Rheia 🤡
@frank601321 күн бұрын
The game needs less divine damage bullshit not more. Remove it from bite of the shark.
@adrienperret947321 күн бұрын
Then remove Gaïa and im fine with it
@frank601321 күн бұрын
@@adrienperret9473 Adding another bullshit overpowered thing to greeks isnt a nerf to gaia. IF you want a nerf to gaia just nerf gaia. It would also mean only that minor god is viable vs gaia. Awful design.
@johnarbiter21 күн бұрын
@@frank6013 personally I think divine damage is cool but it should be only for mythic age techs in my opinion. Melee divine damage also I don’t think is that op what’s op is divine damage range attack death balls, like wadjets, slingers etc
@pierer9120 күн бұрын
@@frank6013what do Greeks have that's overpowered right now other than possibly restoration? 🤣 The pantheon is an absolute mess.
@frank601320 күн бұрын
@@pierer91 Resto, bronze, minotaurs, cyclops, mass toxotes, toxotes with divine damage, cyclops splash damage.
@stephencafun563821 күн бұрын
Is the resource counter being in the bottom left a mod?
@johnarbiter21 күн бұрын
yes mythic UI!
@haller158023 күн бұрын
I feel like both Gaia and Kronos have what it takes to be in S tier. Imo Oranos is the weakest of the three atlantean gods. Yeah sky passages are a nice thing to have but keep it mind it's limited to 5 at a time.
@mhendricks12523 күн бұрын
lmao i will ruin you with poseidon 😂
@johnarbiter23 күн бұрын
@@mhendricks125 nah my zeus will win ez 😂or my Thor/loki. Poseidon sucks
@PeicongLi27 күн бұрын
Such great defense, this kronos rush is too cheesy, this game requires more skills in defending than attacking, you definitely outskill him a lot more
@adrienperret947329 күн бұрын
This is so frustrating to watch, this horrible "strategy" is impossible to hold for plebs like us. Congrats and mad respect for that hold. I Really hope and pray that this bs strategy will be nerfed to oblivion.
@johnarbiter29 күн бұрын
@@adrienperret9473 it is a very frustrating strat to go against indeed. The best advice I can give is when you go against Kronos try to advance to the classical age as fast as possible and get a hero out. 👍🏻
@Bu11yMagu1re29 күн бұрын
What makes Odin better than Thor?
@johnarbiter29 күн бұрын
@@Bu11yMagu1re I would probably change this tier list yet again. Odin really good with high hunt maps. Cuz he gathers hunt faster and has good great hall units. But overall I do think Thor is actually pretty good. I overestimated the nerds for Thor this patch
@Bu11yMagu1re29 күн бұрын
@@johnarbiterThey still seem too similar to me despite every best effort to separate them. Either one of them is inevitably labeled “Odin/Thor-Lite”.
@fdart5854Ай бұрын
1) Be greek 2) that's it, just be greek
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
Hahaha
@Piet-d1jАй бұрын
love this game, i'm sure it will have a healthy community
@30SalmaoАй бұрын
I play a lot as Oranos and I am struggling against this composition. Sometimes with hypapists in the mix. Can someone give me some any advice for Oranos to counter this?
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
Myth Units a lot of Satyr, greek really struggle against myth units
@30SalmaoАй бұрын
@johnarbiter very interesting. Thank you for your help.
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@30Salmao no problem!
@markvanderwerf8592Ай бұрын
@@johnarbiter much better way. Go Theia and Contarius. Hoplites are only a soft counter to Contarius and Contarius + Arcus + Turmae beats Hoplites + Peltasts especially if you went Leto for the extra pierce armour, just target peltasts with Contarius. Going Infantry has the problem they can mix in toxotes/hypaspists super easily. If you force them into prodromos you can add your katapeltes. Theia is good in general vs Greek because with 10 dryads and a bunch of stymphalion birds you overload the Greek heroes. They only get 3 early.
@ZyragonnАй бұрын
crazy game, love to see that vault spam
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@Zyragonn was a really fun game! Make sure to sub for more if interested :)
@Funnybunnykid27Ай бұрын
Do you feel like you play better now strategy wise because of the relic knowledge? Trying to figure out if it’s worth more of a deep dive
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
It’s definitely important in some situations. Some times it can change the game entirely. Always good to have a habit of checking the relics in my opinion.
@Pyromaniac77777Ай бұрын
Absolutely, some are real game changers. Getting monkeys super early gives amazing scouting the whole game and sway early fights
@Valentincarre-s6hАй бұрын
your tier list is bullshit
@nullraAoMАй бұрын
fr
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
its not a tierlist... its just for fun sorting each gp
@Jaz_4u_2Ай бұрын
IMO the way this game will remain healthy = when constant tournaments are held . Voobly had certain players who payed for showmatches. - make a champions league with like 4-10 players every weekend/month . These are ranked showmatches between the top 10 or 20, viewers can gift and donate if they want or you fundraise for a pot of $. - top players attract the majority of players, since the majority can learn form the topplayers. - (TRUE) community balancing assist , this means even the Norse and Atlantean player base needs to become honest when it comes to balancing; because untill now they were often the reason for nerfs/buffs . Greeks and Egyptian are crippled all the time anyways, but also need to admit the abuse to make the game balanced and attractive for all. - (TRUE) top player (of each pantheon) balancing assist : a main atlantean/greek/norse/egyptian top player who every 2-4 weeks come together to discuss the balance and SENT THEIR IDEAS TO DEVELOPMENT.
@frank6013Ай бұрын
Jesus nullra is so dumb. Slightly nerfing the best cav in the game BY FAR does not make them useless. Absolute clown arguments. "Buff things that deal with them" yeah that would be a nerf to every other cav in the game that arent a problem, contarius is the problem. Dude has no brain.
@frank6013Ай бұрын
nullras power creep idea makes no sense at all, wtf is the end of buffing everything it just makes a mess of a game. Centaurs are still really good anyway their special does so much damage to armies when they are engaged.
@frank6013Ай бұрын
I appreciate your passion and love for the game I love it too and really want to see it thrive. I agree that top players hiding their gameplay and not streaming isnt good for the long term health of the game
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@frank6013 Thanks man that means a lot. If you enjoyed make sure to sub! I would really appreciate it :)
@stormeagle81xАй бұрын
At least gaias lush no longer prevents construction
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@stormeagle81x fair enough
@Funnybunnykid27Ай бұрын
You got some insane relics that game 👀🙌🏻
@DaxpolАй бұрын
I really appreciate how much effort you put into the community. In my opinion, it's amazing to have someone like John who cares so much, is so engaged, and does a great job connecting the pro world with amateurs. For some reason, one day KZbin showed John's video on my homepage, it caught my attention, and here I am-I got into multiplayer and the whole thing <3
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
Man this is the nicest thing someone has said to me in a while. This means so much to me. I really want this game to thrive and I am doing everything in my power to help support it. Thank you so much for watching. <3
@frank6013Ай бұрын
Ballistics has no place in the game, divine damage has no place in the game.
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
I think divine damage is cool but should be limited to mythic units/ heroes
@gilby2451Ай бұрын
I disagree with streaming. These tops players should be making youtube videos like magic. New players getting into the game will be looking up build orders which will add interest to the game. People who watch twitch are already invested into the game. KZbin traffic will be way better than streaming
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@gilby2451 streaming still helps a lot in my opinion. But I do agree KZbin content is dope as well
@stefanor5811Ай бұрын
It's not up to the community to keep the game alive, it's a total responsability of the company to provide content that makes people feel interested in the game to keep playing or start playing it, and so far they're not doing a great job at it, the Arena of the Gods feels very mid and hand't managed to attract enough audience to the game, if the chinese expansion doesn't do well it's likely the game will fall down, on top of that the developers aren't doing a great job, the game still has some bugs. I say this from the perspective of someone who plays the game ateast once per day, I've been a very big fan since the og game.
@stefanor5811Ай бұрын
If they want to keep people playing it they should do something simple other games do, make so people has to do daily quest to earn some currency, with that they can probably get comsmetics for the units (Something Starcraft has done in the past), Portraits, or stuff like that, hell, they could even make so you can win DLC's with said currency at a very high cost so people has to grind to get them. If they want neew people to buy the game they shoudl try and call the attention of other RTS' players, but that would requiere a high and expensive marketing campaing most likely
@stefanor5811Ай бұрын
Also, there's a part of the world who loves this game, and that's south america, a lot of us grew up playing this game (This was my first RTS), and I haven't seem the developers trying to spread retold among us, they even shadow banned one of the content makers on our community and he's barely doing any content related to AOM since that.
@stefanor5811Ай бұрын
I do agree that on ranked mod you should be able to ban a god and even maybe a map or two, I have faced like 5 poseidon on a row and that's just game over since I mostly play Set, and Poseidon being so oppresive they just spam cavalry and some archers that they rush me on second age, also, I (and I think most casual players) hate water maps, not having to stress out because of them would be nice
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@stefanor5811you give amazing points. It definitely isn’t the responsibility of the players. I just do think it could help if players also thought about the health of the game and did what they could to help support. I think the dev team is really small. Wish there was some more work being done by the devs for sure. Hopefully they will right the ship.
@frank6013Ай бұрын
Seasons with a rotating op god is an awful idea bro
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@frank6013 it’s not necessarily a rotating op god it’s just that meta shifts slightly depending on the recent patch notes. It’s how it goes with most rts games. Aoe 4 StarCraft etc…
@B3K97Ай бұрын
Osiris was pretty busy I see
@Jaz_4u_2Ай бұрын
Tbh I think the game is decent but it does not feel super . It just does not feel right as before, legacy versions felt imo way better .
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
I feel like this version is way better but just needs some time to be polished. I went back to legacy and not having A move and some bad pathing made me realize how much better retold is. Plus the graphics of retold are insanely good in my opinion.
@Jaz_4u_2Ай бұрын
@johnarbiter attack move was also in legacy brah. Better graphics does not make a more liked game , any educated guess why AOE2 has more players than AOE4?
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
attack move isn’t in legacy man. There’s no such thing… I’m not sure we are discussing the same thing.
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@Jaz_4u_2 of course graphics isn’t everything. Aoe 2 came out at the perfect time and was one of the first popular rts games. In my opinion aoe 2 is more about a game coming out at the right place and right time
@ArcodusАй бұрын
This is good to listen to. I hope the best for AoM:R's multiplayer scene, and I like watching matches on KZbin, but I primarily Skirmish myself. I feel a stress factor when competing online that I don't particularly enjoy
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
Fair enough man. I feel like we all want the same thing and that is for Retold to thrive! I think many just disagree on how to get that :)
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
Thanks for listening!!!
@rmachucaАй бұрын
Although I want this game to succeed and be on a healthy state with all my heart, you were doing circles with your arguments and Lindberg is solid on his point of view. No top player or anyone should be responsible for making this succeed. Community stuff should be organic but lead by the game itself being good. Everything else helps and any one should feel empowered to do it but does not have to be forced. If there is an opportunity and option, only the ones that want it should go for it and they will appear
@rmachucaАй бұрын
PS I only watch some tournaments live. As a consumer I prefer for entertainment and learning KZbin summaries or videos as I won't have the time or interest of watching everything. You have to be selective such as me watching this video at 2x speed and taking care of my chores on the side
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@rmachucagreat points man. Yeah it’s a long one so watching at 2x speed is a good idea. I should put in chapters so people can find what discussion they are most interested in
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@rmachucaI do think it’s not the responsibility of the players but I just think players should just think about the health of the game a little bit more. I don’t want anyone to feel forced. Thanks for watching man!
@rmachucaАй бұрын
@@johnarbiterand you attempting to have this conversations and engaging the community on general game discussions is much more healthy for that aspect of the game to grow than someone streaming a random game. Keep it up and let's hope we get a banger DLC and the remaining bugs flushed out to have the second Dawn for this awesome game! Keep this up! (Although at least for me more condensed time wise, 3 hours is a lot!)
@frank6013Ай бұрын
@@johnarbiter Agreed. Its not their "responsibility" but they could do more to help the game and community if they wanted to
@queldronАй бұрын
ΠΡΟΣΤΑΓΜΑ INTENSIFIES!
@Caladrio1Ай бұрын
Did you ever show your hotkeys layout? I'm new to aom and yet even i noticed that the default layouts are ass
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
I stream with a keyboard app that shows what hotkeys I use in live time. I also did another video earlier with a pro player discussing hotkeys if interested :)
@benschur9085Ай бұрын
Why go vill centre tho. You had all the map pressure
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@benschur9085 if I go two tc it gives him an area to do a timing attack with ancestors eclipse
@Papa_JeffitoАй бұрын
Where are the Hetairoi, John? :)
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
Hahaha I think I made some at the end but he was going heavy camels so prodromos were working well :)
@Funnybunnykid27Ай бұрын
Great content keep it coming 🎉
@MochaCubАй бұрын
that was crazy
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
It was so close hahaha
@MochaCubАй бұрын
nice
@sincromelon2912Ай бұрын
Tiny King of the Hill is now my favorite genre
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
glad to here that!! Make sure to sub Ill be posting more of tiny gameplay :)
@rmachucaАй бұрын
Commenting for the algo gods. Interesting talk, even if they were bulling you (assuming you are friends though, hopefully). Strong points on the balancing side but really seem to not understand your most than valid point than DLC and casual content helps keep the game alive. There is more than ranked ladder in this game, custom games are huge (FFAs, funny stuff). Also I was hoping for Arena of the Gods to be something as good as Starcraft 2 Coop, but that missed the mark. It is not as bad, but definitely lacks replay and community / cooperative value (not even auto-matchmaking and having to manually look for someone to play is bad). Having said that seems it just lacks polish and may get better over time.
@Sheogorath7676Ай бұрын
I often forgot Odin had regen even before it got nerfed.
@foreverjune8Ай бұрын
Most relics have different value for different gods, but even though this ranking in of itself isnt too accurate for a specific god, thoughts and insight about each relic is very helpful.
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
For sure. This is just overall.
@foreverjune8Ай бұрын
14:00 I could listen to FFA talk endlessly, every game is so unique~
@codyestes6596Ай бұрын
Wadjets never got touched because no one was talking about them and everyone wrote them off as terrible for months. But those boys have always spit
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@codyestes6596 lol facts
@casbah2075Ай бұрын
A lot of relics are god dependent. Archchimedes ledger has some value if you’re going Kronos.
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
im not sure cheiro counts as siege im not sure tho
@matthewbritt7485Ай бұрын
Tyrfang is really fun with Freyr and his hersirs that have so many upgrades
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
Damn that does sound good
@emilakhsanov7845Ай бұрын
Anvil is op relic if you play freyr(makes last upgrades cost 150 gold) or for thor(especially early on)
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
for sure its really good. But its god dependent. This tier list I would say is just overall.
@foreverjune8Ай бұрын
What... On the contrary It's the most pointless for Freyr since his upgrades are already cheap. I wouldnt even care to pick it up since it saves almost to no resources for him. For Thor - yes, it's the ultimate relic for him!
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@foreverjune8yeah that makes more sense hahaha
@codyestes6596Ай бұрын
Monkeys or none at all
@AoLIronmaidenАй бұрын
Why does any human unit have divine damage? Seems like its crazy difficult ri balance
@johnarbiterАй бұрын
@@AoLIronmaiden I think the issue is giving it to range units especially in classical age.