Fromsoft making Undertale is just Fear and Hunger. This is if Yoko Taro made Undertale. After seeing the whole game though, that was pretty good. Sad that there's been maybe 4 people talking about this game on all of youtube.

10 minutes to say, "I'm right, you're wrong." The point trying to be made against a timeline is simple, if ineloquent. The non sequential games do not necessarily adhere to a strict linear story that histories the world. It's more like a, ahem, legend, that is being told all throughout history and time with many narrators having many versions. A bit like religion. Most denominations of Christianity are very similar with some putting more emphasis on the importance of certain people or events. Catholics and Mother Mary for example. Zelda games, with exception, could be interpreted similarly. The making of a time-line in and of itself was controversial and from what I remember, they refused the idea of one for a long time. Of course there are sequential events. The argument against it is that, it doesn't matter that much and the current, should be allowed to stray from whatever predicates it. Which as a lore nerd, bothers me, but it is a valid take on the whole thing. It's not that there is no time-line, it's an argument against its relevancy. As the time-line comes into question with every release and the fact that there are 3 different ones just to make it all make sense, leans heavily toward it being an unimportant afterthought by its creator. People are simply echoing this point of view.

A green orange, you say?

i was going to be SO upset about you not telling us the quote, but then the moment I heard the first words of your reply I knew exactly which quote you meant

A lot of the questions you ask that you use as proof to say that Raurus history can't happen because Hyrule historia said some temples were built and they're not in TotK. Well You're asking those questions under the assumption that Raurus scenes happened at the end of the timeline. But it's very possible Raurus scenes all happened BEFORE skyward sword or right near it. That's why it doesn't make sense. Gawd

I always found "King" Rauru's response to Zelda's claim rather unrealistic. It'd make more sense if he had said something along the lines of "What a coincidence. We have recently founded a kingdom called Hyrule."

Thing is, given how radically different the setting of Tears of the Kingdom has been from the rest of the Zelda franchise-to the point that it may as well be an entirely different world-a lot of people, including myself, have a hard time reconciling the events of the game with the timeline as it exists now. The only possibility I can think of is multiverse theory, which I really hope is *not* the case since that trope has been done to death by literally everyone.

The Legend of Zelda, the girl who fell through time and then disapeared with the prophecy of her return and abilities, and the legend of her Hero who would with the help of a magical sword defeat the evil once and for all in the kingdom of Hyrule. What parent wouldn't be like, "My child will grow up to be great and I'll name them Link to emphasize my belief and expectation." Then also the legend dictates the naming of royal daughters as Zelda. Thus both characters recieve there names but maybe only Zelda is told of the expwctation where as Link is not raised with the stories of old but the name of legend. It's a time loop and the future influenced the past and all the stories between are in part caused by the story of prophecy from Zelda's backwards time travel.

I believe Rauru's time takes place before Skyward sword not after, but I will watch this to make sure of my theory. 😊

it tickles me to my core when barrett said “shinra bootlicker” 🤣 so hilarious when one of the party members roast him around for being suspecious 😂

Void Stranger made me cry so many times.

I want to start out by saying this is a very well made video and I especially agree with its mission statement. Zelda lore meant a whole lot to me growing up and it would be nice to believe it mattered. Its just, I can't shake the feeling that any conclusion that the old story is still running is unfortunately probably wrong. There's an old wisdom which says that the simplest explanation is probably the real one, and a theory like the one in this video, while coherent, puts in a lot of legwork to get around something that the corporate-beholden folks at Nintendo are very incentivized to do; simply reboot. Long-running franchises eventually overbloat, overcrowd and convolute to the point where the creative freedom to implement any more is constricted. These franchises are owned by corporations who definitely wouldn't want to stop making money off them by leaving well enough alone, and its just much easier to write on a blank sheet than a filled page, so they wind up rebooting sooner or later. Star Wars has done this with a giant chunk of stories expanded stories now decanonized and labeled "Legends", Pokemon has done something similar but different to this downsizing effort with what we unofficially call Dexit ( though the Pokemon devs' was a gameplay matter, not timelines), Marvel and DC have all but popularized alternate universes as a fact of life on their own (if they didn't, you'd have to navigate like eighty years of serialized writing), and if you open a copy of Zelda: Creating the Champion, you'll find not an updated copy of the og timeline, but a history section with no game titles named. Instead there're categories like "over 10,000 years ago" containing summary descriptions of events that approximate some things you might remember in more specific details from older games. Trying to find a throughline that makes the og timeline still work is really nice, but it might be turning a blind eye to the the issue that there's just no reason for the writers to have started obscuring things like this, other than that they want to be relieved of the timeline baggage. I still like this video's layout of things and identify with its passions. Its just that I would need to hear some further indicator from the devs that its gone this way in order to be convinced, rather than what we can more easily assume they wanted with their recent creative choices. I feel bad writing stuff like this; doing anything that might injure someone's hope is not something I would agree with as any social project. If someone else can still cling to the notion of Zelda being written with love, I hope they never lose it, but its only pragmatic to point out that the forces funding Zelda are driven by money. A fact is, the producers at Nintendo have said on multiple occasions that they're here to sell video games and not art. If for all I've said you don't think BOTW/TOTK is where they drew the line with the established story, then it remains likely that a reboot is still *going* to happen in the future, because that's a practically necessary step to streamline their development process. For me, I'll be doing my best to make my peace with it.

I feel like this exaggerates the "difference" between the terms used for gods and goddesses. Japanese also uses slightly different terms to describe refer to the same individuals. And "the god tribe" is just another way of saying "Gods". The japanese language has a thing where singular and plural aren't always clear. So the use of that term translates to what we call "gods" in the west. It's being pretty overthought, if that makes sense.

I've been following Eboshidori (Ebbo) since his Fraxy years, which was over a decade ago. I was in high school at the time and was obsessed with the canon he made for the Fragments of Men series. I guess it only makes sense that someone like him who loves SHMUPs, mechas and Buddhist imagery would end up as a developer of two of the most mind-blowing games, period.

Almost all the reasons you hate Cait with are the same reasons he's my favorite lol

Fantastic video! I wish I had encountered your video before I got spoiled by a few major plot points in the game, thanks to a big KZbinr who disregarded spoilers... man...

Whose to say the kingdom below and the kingdom above aren't working through different events? Not everything is going to be about time, could be a whole separate reality.

Womp womp They confirmed this is the first Hyrule and that the memories take place right after Skyward Sword

I really wish all this was true since what we got was soooo much lesser

I wonder if Ganon having the full Triforce in the downfall timeline strengthened the seal. He was unable to escape on his own, and had to create a puppet basically to even attempt to escape, and still wasn’t successful.

The more I think about it the more I'm starting to notice TotK's lore is oddly similar to Fire Emblem Three Houses.

System Erasure made a game so good that made me want buy a PC just to play(Being in a Third-party Country where consoles are more cheaper them Computers is a pain in the a##).

Caoth sith is the best mage you can add to your party excluding optional characters. His gambling limit breaks make sense when you think about where you found him.

“The Nun is getting caught chain darts by Sister Ballbuster” is something I did not expect to hear

I think we failed to consider that the other "hyrules" were located in different parts of the world, as hyrule is but a small country. there fore it could be that rauru founded this "new" hyrule

I don;t think this was a big revelation... your assertion that people assume that Rauru was talking about finding hyrule after skyward sword is kind of a stupid assumption. I am going to give fans a bit more credit considering skyward sword tells us that Zelda and Link found Hyrule. So no I think you're wrong that most people didn't think he was talking post skyward sword. I think most fans thought either, that this is a soft reboot... or like me that this kingdom of hyrule is just foudned after the fall of the previous one. You don't need a 23 minute video to point out the evidence for this. The game is canon in the timeline according to Nintendo but it doesn't match canon so that means it has to be a new kingdom of Hyrule, and we know from BOTW that the old games are set so far in the past that they are considered myth. So the conclusion is simple, this new hyrule was founded maybe a million years in the future after the last game There saved you all 23 minutes

i started watching this game after opening balatro to play in the background and i thought my game audio was on

Great analysis video, very enlightening. It is funny that, if the last two games, BOTW and TOTK don't follow anything like how the original timeline went, and if those two games are a soft reboot from scratch for a whole different Legend of Zelda location and universe, it's really telling that the next game due September of 2024 chucks out everything Botw and Totk did and added, finally these massive open world Zelda games with NOTHING in them with pitiful excuses for dungeons can die out a9even if a couple bosses do stand out and a few characters were good). That's the issue, Botw and Totk, didn't feel like Zelda games, they seemed to lack things that good Zelda games, like Oot, SS, MM and TP had. I know this will sound like blatant hate for the two last games (until the new one), and defending others may be favoritism, feel free to contradict this comment.

perhaps, zelda had already traveled to the past several times, that’s why ganondorf recognized her and link. but this may be the first time she turned into a dragon. it would explain why there were no tears in botw

WTFFF YALL BLOWING MY MIND

haha it's just like darksouls dude!! comparison is the thief of joy

In this universe yes, yes rauru was the first king. Botw and totk are in their own timeline. 😊

When i decided to try hard on remake i kept getting stomped on air buster but i eventually beat it. Poor cloud kept getting big bomered

Idk why u keep comparing that cait sith moogle bot to others. I mean its a fking bot «inspired» by a fking moogle but its not a moogle. Just compare the actual moogle to other moogle and stop derailing shit.

the past rito champion in the past of TOTK also prevents it from being pre WW.

Good to know I'm stuck on the bad ending. No really I genuinely appreciate it because now I know to be careful and take it slow next run.

I agree with you I think that that it makes sense for there to have been an event that lead to all 3 timelines converging creating a mini reboot and Zonai Rauru founding essentially new Hyrule. This is also an opportunity for Nintendo to make games at the end of each timeline that end with the converging event which could be cool. I loved Totk I do wish they would've expanded and connected the lore in some different ways but all in all a lovely game

I have never seen that dead soldier in the back alley before. Thats incredible. Very grim for the setting of OoT, too. Seems more like something youd see in Majoras.

12:10 hahahahHAHAHAHAHA

My theory is that the zonai descended to the surface and started the kingdom BEFORE the era of hylia and that when daddy ganon gets a tear his malice is seen by demiese and it gives him knolwge. and when daddy ganon does find it in the memory where the sages are protecting the triforce UNDERGROUND and when raru seals ganon away hylia realizes that demieze found the trifore and will stop at nothing to get it. but hey thats just a theory! a timeline theory!

Great work gentlemen

WHY ARE PEOPLE CALLING EVERY SPRITE BASED TOP DOWN GAME AN UNDERTALE CLONE IT BECOMES AN INSULT AT THIS POINT AND FROM SOFTWARE... JUST SHUT UP

Sometimes I wish the lore in ToTK didn't exist. Not sure how this works unless This is Gaepora Kaepora's real form as Rauru. Two Raurus, Two Temple of Times, Two Towers... Imagine running into another Link and Zelda in the same time line.

Sounds plausible, I just wish the ending wasn't so dumb. Game tells us its irreversible then uses ghost magic to reverse so we get the happy ending. While THIS Zelda and Link deserve the happy ending, I just wish they did it differently.

Of course there are many plot holes. But It's canon botw happens long after every game, and that's the reason there are some ruins from the ocarina temple of time, but when zonai Rauru shows up there are no ruins, in fact he builds his temple of time at the same spot as ocarina's temple.... So Zonai Rauru kingdom comes much before every game, even before the master sword and the triforce. His remains raise up to the sky and Hyrule story begins.

Also the reason why Sonia is weaker than Zelda is because Zelda still holds the triforce shown in botw when she seals dark beast Ganon. Secret stones amplify the users power so triforce + secret stone

crack theory tears rauru is a carbon copy/reincarnation of ocarina rauru which is why he thinks he founded the kingdom (cause he did) but just never looked at a mirror and though he had ghost limbs

The quoted Source inspiration for breath of the Wild is Skyrim. A dragon break is 99% likely to have some effect on the thought process. Fairy are giving clear indications that there's biological evolution, attempting to rule out a post Skyward Sword explanation. Tears of the Kingdom reveals that all of the games had happened within that 10,000 year period of time and that it is the Legend of Zelda. They are going hard on the word Legend. Meaning all of the other games are interpretation of events. So instead of a dragon break, they have a legend. The way the King Arthur story has been changed is also part of the franchise inspiration and in the Japanese attempt at continuity they are going back to that root. The proof is in all the green glowing stomes. They cant not keep the color the same and change its function. Even between breath of the wild and tears of the Kingdom.. they added another material simply because they wanted to change the color around and needed an excuse. Prove me wrong

They inserted a furry without really thinking that hard about it.