I just recently came across the whole Stealth/Tap/Miss Changer systems... and i am really really liking the approach here, with being able to be a single toolhead if i want. Brings me to a few questions... #1 I noticed your umbilical having a connection at the rear of the printer which seems to indicate you can just unplug and remove the whole toolhead when wanting single tool operation. How are you working around the MCUs complaining and error-ing out when no connection is found? (is it USB or CAN?) #2 following up on #1, i am now learning more about the USB approach on the toolheads (even tho i am using CAN & TAP on my current Stealthburner). If i were to add more toolheads, i would use the NiteHawk SB USB boards for T1, T2.... and leave T0 alone as is... Any concerns with that with any of your hardware mods? #3 about how much Y you loose? I have the 350mm Voron and there toolhead fully covers the 350mmx350mm area, so this will obviously eat some of the Y for the hardware Thanks
@vinny59153 күн бұрын
#1. I made a add-on for klipper to swap in and out the the relevant lines in printer.cfg, and an macro to that and restart klipper to apply. #2. None at all. I have finished testing hardware comparability with 2x NiteHawk SB USB and it works fine. the challenge for USB tool-head will be: cost, and basement space. #3. if you are going with the NiteHawk SB USB boards. the docked toolheads will block the front 120 mm (Y) of your build area.
@Felix.Garcia3 күн бұрын
@vinny5915 thank you kindly for your responses. I will keep reading the GitHub and start the steps to get this going in next couple months. You got a sub and follower here.thanks!!! As a Mech Engineer, i will be willing to lend a hand in future.
@Valery_19547 күн бұрын
Отличное решение! Только не нужно размахивать руками перед камерой 😀👍
@jaynw2616 күн бұрын
Awesome stuff, just wondering, what are the benefits over the current stealthchanger system. I am going to build a system soon so need to decide on which one to go with. Cheers!
@vinny591516 күн бұрын
The most tangible benefit is the fact that MissChanger can easily be adapted to work on a Trident. Beyond that, it is not much of an advantage but rather a deliberate tradeoff. MissChanger trades the speed headroom for a more reliable first layer. I will say, though. Stealthchanger is reaching a critical mass in terms of adoption. So, it will be easier to get support with it. And, they support more toolheads.
@drak107124 күн бұрын
i’ve been watching a lot of 3d printing vids and this one was recommended to me by the algorithm. It looks really cool, but i found myself having to look at your channel vids to try and see if there was a video explaining what exactly this unit is doing / why its unique. might be helpful to include a quick short blurb about what it is at the beginning of each vid to help segway new potential subscribers more seamlessly into your content :) keep up the great work!
@mikeshawn291325 күн бұрын
Looking forward to the inclusion of the Nitehawk SB as I am planning a build of Misschanger using that toolhead board. The great support of your project is greatly appreciated.
@BassontheRoof25 күн бұрын
21:50-21:55 for the moment that porky pig enters the overdub studio. Ahabadehabadeehabaduuuuuuhhhh that's misschanger!! Haha But seriously this product is turning out to be amazing dude, great work!! 👏🏻
@xRisyox26 күн бұрын
Amazing!!!!
@minhnguyetbuimai353827 күн бұрын
That's great
@minhnguyetbuimai353827 күн бұрын
Thanks you!
@akanar_1924Ай бұрын
I print PETG and ABS on my 2.4 by only decreasing bed/nozzle temp by 10-20C. No other changes. No issues with PETG with chamber temps. I used to think like you did and had exhaust vent air but it does not matter.
@vinny5915Ай бұрын
PETG is the in-between kind of filament. It is printable between 30C and 40C chamber temp, depending on the brand. But, PLA is a no-go at that temperature range
@spacehitchhiker4264Ай бұрын
What's the effective build volume when the dock's installed?
@vinny5915Ай бұрын
230x350x250 mm
@atze1348Ай бұрын
If I understand correctly, your trap door mod replaces the stock removable air duct and exhaust slider with something that's a little faster and easier to use? Do you find that in exhaust mode, it provides sufficient cooling to the chamber to print PLA without removing panels?
@vinny5915Ай бұрын
Q1, Yes. Q2, Yes. It is not as good as without the panel. The chamber temp stabilise at 30C, which is workable with PLA but not as good as if it is at room temperature, 22C.
@atze1348Ай бұрын
@@vinny5915 Thanks!
@themaazmaazАй бұрын
What is the thickness of the top panel you installed? The PCBWay is listed as 3mm. Is it acrylic as well or PC? Does it feel solid or sag any? You may want to cannibalize the nevermore micro and use the ellis bed fan mod. I did the same as you for a few weeks after installing a stealthmax (back panel though; I have a second top-mount printed that I haven't installed). The ellis bed fan setup circulates noticeably better. So well, in fact, you have to have a custom ramp-up time based on bed temp so you don't warp your bed.
@vinny5915Ай бұрын
The top panel is 3mm acrylic. I am using a modded flow chamber design for the NMSM, which bolted it in place with 7 M3 bolts. Thus, the NMSM actually adds to the structural integrity of the panel instead of causing any noticeable sagging.
@parkernilsonАй бұрын
I like how you handled the umbilical cables. Can you release the files for the mounts that you have for the cables coming up from the base and for the retractable things that are holding them up from above?
@vinny5915Ай бұрын
It is in the github repository
@BuilderInStyleАй бұрын
I wonder if I could use this without a voron tap or is it much better with
@vinny5915Ай бұрын
The version in this video is out of date. Nevertheless, the latest version will still need voron tap rail. It is required for the probing function
@BuilderInStyleАй бұрын
Could I use a klicky probe?
@user-lx9jm1wo3hАй бұрын
I have been waiting for someone to do this. I always thought it was stupid that the gantry has to go all the way to the top just to swap toolheads.
@SippoCoffee26 күн бұрын
that's not wasting that much build volume tho. Everything has its pros and cons
@kruger12311Ай бұрын
It depends on the geometry. If you were to print even two benchies at the same time you wuold see improvment in layer adhesion and overall quality of layer cooling.
@digdastАй бұрын
Love your work and your transparency on the projects you do !!
@VanBuilds-ut2cmАй бұрын
Like I havent even seen a single statement of what this is or why it is
@VanBuilds-ut2cmАй бұрын
This looks cool where is the guide
@vinny5915Ай бұрын
It is in the Github repository, link in thw description
@GateselevenАй бұрын
this 3d printer looks expensive?
@RoasterOvenАй бұрын
you can build a standard Voron 2.4 R2 for ~$1000. Most of the printer is printed. that's without the multiple print heads though
@vinny5915Ай бұрын
Additional tool-head is ~$200 each, then add another ~$200 for the additional fans and electronics.
@ВладиславЗимин-г2цАй бұрын
какая гигантская батарея отопления, мужик, ты на северном полюсе живешь?
@vinny5915Ай бұрын
Yeah 😂. I told my landlord the same thing.
@ВладиславЗимин-г2цАй бұрын
@@vinny5915
@efboiz5302Ай бұрын
Shame input shaper is effected horribly :(
@vinny5915Ай бұрын
Hehehe, indeed. However, after playing with multi-material for the past few months, I can confidently say that, as a community, we don't have the knowledge base to do multi-material at speed yet.
@efboiz5302Ай бұрын
@@vinny5915as far as tool changing, I can’t speak to that personally. But it seems like regular stealthchanger when optimized is capable of relatively high speed. Btw not meaning to diminish your work on this, I love the idea.
@hebertfelix12 ай бұрын
Como posso conectar os cordões umbilicais à placa Octopus Pro v1.1? Qual acessório devo usar? Porque minha placa controladora tem apenas uma conexão Canbus. Meu projeto terá 6 ferramentas, estou preso nisso. Eu agradeceria se você pudesse explicar ou recomendar algum brancher/switch para conectar todos esses cabos à placa. Eu sou um iniciante.
@vinny59152 ай бұрын
The Octopus (or any other boards) will not be used to control the toolheads. The toolheads are controlled via the BTT U2C board. You can visit the github repo for the details on wiring.
@86toutoune2 ай бұрын
Thanks! What is this sort of plyer you use as a vise to pressfit the magnets ? It looks very convenient.
@vinny59152 ай бұрын
Those are Knipex parallel pliers
@sciencesold_2 ай бұрын
So whats the benefit of this over stealthchsnger? Everything ive seen/read indicates Stealth Changer is better. More tollheads, better IS, more compact design/less bulky, more successful users, better documentstion, etc. Like i get wanting to develope an alternative, but whats the point if its the reheaded stepchild of stealthchanger?
@vinny59152 ай бұрын
Performance-wise, if those are the criteria that you are looking for then just go for SC. It is a very cool project. I would in fact recommend it over MC, due to the fact there is a team behind instead of a single person. MC (as a project) is more focus on reliability. It retains the Voron-Tap MGN9H rail for probe accuracy. This is a design trade-off, worse IS but better first layer reliability. And, from my experience with multi-material so far, it is too early to try going faster regardless of whatever system you are on. MC is also designed around the workflow of upgrading an existing printer, using parts printed on that same printer, with rooms for errors and chances to reverse course if needed. Even after completion, you can still switch back to a single toolhead setup in less than a minute and without any tool.
@Mr.Thermistor72282 ай бұрын
Gtfooooooo impressive
@mirsadique3 ай бұрын
Great work keep it up.
@brin80993 ай бұрын
Great work!!
@jpmpro20003 ай бұрын
does this tool changer require you to have canbus or can it be setup without one?
@vinny59153 ай бұрын
I am using canbus, it is the simpler approach at the moment. For USB a connection additional hardware are needed and needs to be jerry rigged together.
@vinny59153 ай бұрын
I have no clue why KZbin Short decided to make the video look like that 😅
@HarveyGuitarBoy3 ай бұрын
This is so damn cool what the hell man 😭 amazing work
@3DWolfEngineering3 ай бұрын
clean !, well done mate !
@vinny59153 ай бұрын
Glad you like it!
@christianking80624 ай бұрын
Great project. This could end up being a better solution than the Prusa XL.
@vinny59154 ай бұрын
Hahaha... no, 😅. If anything, this helps explains the design decisions that were made for the XL; in term of reliability and the fact that the XL did not come with an enclosure.
@creativecityis4 ай бұрын
forgive me for being slow... the tool changer is at the bottom of the printer, so when tool changing with a half printed model its gonna smack it... why not have the tool changer at the top?
@vinny59154 ай бұрын
It is not at the bottom of the printer. It is strapped to the gantry and come up with it as the print goes on. This way, it won't need to travel to the top to fetch the next toolhead.
@mirsadique4 ай бұрын
🎉
@KJMcLaws4 ай бұрын
Is there a documented way to add something like the ercf also? Imagine having it swap colors on a multi color print while there is always a tool head actually printing? (Eg. 4 colors on 2 tool heads.) Best of both worlds
@vinny59154 ай бұрын
Technically, there is nothing the ercf to work on a toolchanger. The challenge is mostly down to the cost of the whole thing and the setting up the config.
@nik88-304 ай бұрын
that's fantastic! great job!
@efboiz53024 ай бұрын
Is this compatible with Rama lama idlers? And do you have a video explaining the latch mechanism that locks the toolhead support structure in place?
@vinny59154 ай бұрын
Compatibility is only guaranteed to the default idlers for now. Since this video of v0.0, I have updated the mechanism to v1.0, of which there is a video for it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHOzaZqJmcaWgaM
@marven64284 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it is in beta. Can't wait to see what's to come
@LastZion4 ай бұрын
Awesome. Very interesting 😎. Are you able to upload a vid when it's in action/printing? An STL that uses multi color filaments perhaps?
@vinny59154 ай бұрын
Yeah, I am trying to figure out how to make time lapse of it printing. It will be boring if it just purely the printer doing its things, though. So I am planning to use the footage as background for the next video.
@ILIKE3DPRINTERS4 ай бұрын
Good work dude 🤩 I'm designing project on my own and I know how time consuming they can be, especially about creating manual heh I really appreciate your work ❤️ I'm waiting for more content
@RJRiemensnider4 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing these videos and for adding more options to the Voron ecosystem
@Slydog43UTube4 ай бұрын
You doing a great job. Can't wait to rewire my 2.4 for nitehawk-SB (will get to remove so many wires!)
@jobbob75974 ай бұрын
Where can I get the bom for V1.0 I didn't find it thanks
@vinny59154 ай бұрын
It is the next thing I will be working on. It should be done by next weekend. Edit. NM, it is uploaded.
@otann4 ай бұрын
Do I understand correctly that this is the key feature that differs MissChanger from StealthChanger? Or is there more?
@vinny59154 ай бұрын
The tap and toolchange mechism is also different. Unlike SC, MC retains the MGN9 rail, for probe accuracy.
@efboiz53024 ай бұрын
What’s the difference between input shaper results? I understand stealthchanger has better IS results than the printed tap
@vinny59154 ай бұрын
@efboiz5302 I have published the input shaper results on GitHub. I don't know how it is compared to others.
@efboiz53024 ай бұрын
@@vinny5915 ah man, looks like IS not great :( I wonder how just T0 would do with the dock and other toolheads not installed? In my ideal would I world really want to be able to maintain 7-10k accels for my regular ABS prints. 2k would be sufficient for the mutimaterial prints
@trt9694 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@brin80994 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Looking forward to the next one 😊
@winandd86494 ай бұрын
This is excellent! Thank you for all your effort in this project! 😎
@pcbwayluz4 ай бұрын
hey there, this is from PCBWay. Currently, we'd like to see if our custom services can contribute to future MissChanger work. Feel free to circle back so we can talk.