I will say one issue that daemons has had for a while now is the difficulty to have a mono themed army. Back in 8th with the daemons boxes having different gods it was easier, but since 9th and then choosing Khorne as the face of the army it has been hard for nurdle friends like me and slaanesh guys like my buddy to have a mono build army that doesn't feel self hamstrung. Breaking into the 4 god books would give it more cohesion as well as a newer more demonic way to play those respective armies. Maybe include some base units that aren't as niche like the greater daemons and core troops in regular can? I'm not sure. Really

Never seen your channel here before,enjoyed the video though.

Spoilpox Scrivener is gone from the store as an individual model, but he's included in the Nurgle AoS Spearhead box, so that might be why

And for some reason, the Hellflayer is the *only* profile that has zero AP on their claws.

Hey, your voice sounds more serious. You good? Thanks for the info man

"SKARBRAND HATES BEING IN S-TIER! SKARBRAND ALSO HATES BEING IN ANY OTHER TIER!"

Back in Leviathan I was running a mono-Khorne (+ belakor) list with triple rendmaster. Damage 5 Bloodletters was never necessary, but it allowed me to deep strike in multiple locations and chunk down anything I wanted. My personal recommendation for mono-khorne is to actually run 2, as it lets you either stack to damage 4, or let you drill down 2 targets at once. If you're running a GUO and other-god units, 1 might still be the best play. Either way, running 3 made for an incredibly fun game!

okay, so i come back to this video regularly, because I'm still making dread talon list and this video is still great! I was wondering however, how come you didn't talk about the chaos sorcerer? he gets free "night's shroud" enhancement and he gets leadership shenanigans to do d3 mortal wounds on shooting and melee, and if you have raptors nearby, which you probably will those LD tests will be on a 7 instead of a 6. put him on a unit of 10 chosen and with their 3 wounds, they suddenly get real hard to get rid of

Thanks so much for this video! Ive been watching this channel for a while now and this video has been extremely helpful. I have a 1.5k tournament in a couple days and this has been extremely helpful, even if I am running a bit of a meme list.

Personally id put shalaxi at A tier. Beutiful model and she is the first model to go in every list and id love her to be top tier but shes just to expensive. She will never leave my list because of the first game vs world eaters i played. My oppent went first tried to alpha her turn 1 with angrond which she tanked to the face going down to 8 wounds then 1 shot him back then in my turn 1 took out a deamon prince. Turn 2 angrond came back to life and wiffed so died again then she 1 shot a lord of skulls in my turn. My point is When shalaxi pops and has good targets she may a quarter of your list but she will just straight up single handily win you games esspecially vs knights.

I don't see a start-playing Option.

Cool video. I don't really care about the competitive scene at this moment; way more interested in narrative & cool-factor, so this video is much appreciated. I just started a CSM army, my first in many years. Started with a box of Legionaries + the Chaos Lord & Renegade Guardsmen squad from Blackstone Fortress. I really want to bring in a War Dog to this list. Saw the box on the shelf and they look so damn iconic. The idea of several light knights tearing thru the city to support heavily armed foot soldiers just sounds amazing. Obviously, War Dogs don't benefit from some CSM-specific faction rules. My question is, what would you recommend I look at building if I was to only get 1 kit? I'm really aiming to stay at 1000 - 1250pt games for awhile. Thanks for this video, awesome presentation!

Actually I think I like the idea of 3ed and 4th edition where the Daemon is part of csm codex where you need a deamon host to summon the greater Daemon . 😊

Getting "Deathwatched" is the phrase we're going with? Like now that it happens to the special baby-boy Space Marines, we coined the phrase? Like it didnt happen to the Harlequins who ruled over 9th edition and have the most impactful lore in the setting? unreal.

I’d love if demons would be split between the gods from one stand point more models with be produced so as a korne lover I don’t want to buy anything that’s not korne I want korne only models for my demon army but when you do that it leaves me with few options unlike my world eater army or god forbid my nid collection

EC are coming this edition. All four gods are out then. I think you will believe it, when you see the first codex of the 4 release and all the daemon datasheets are in there. Daemon codex is gone. Sorry.

KZbin recommended is a blessing. I was thinking about trying to improve how I play cause I have been on a bit of a loss streak. I've always wanted to go to at least one tournament. This video was super chill and palatable intro to playing smarter. After finding you I proceeded to binge your videos cause they're just so interesting and even though I don't play demons (Eldar/ Dark Eldar player atm) it's great to hear how they play and general tactics and stuff. Awesome vid, love it!

Future content? Whatever you post I’ll watch it man. I love these videos so much 😂

They are gonna make detachments right? Im guessing its gonna be one codex with one detachment for each god, but also one or two undivided detachments.

The sterilisation of 40k to make it more suited to events continues, all character must be purged until the game is a pallette of boring beige...

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I have a 10k point deathwatch army (now almost useless) I have 4 2k points daemons army (1 for each god).... If I can't use them either then I'm done with warhammer

I think Shalaxi is good but only really shines when hunting down characters so if your opponent isn't using an army with many characters then Shalaxi definitely falls behind so I think B tier is very reasonable

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i dont have 10th edition do i need to download it from another site ?

Been a Daemon fan since I started getting into 40K back in 2019. Had a hard time getting my Daemons of Slaanesh to work with The previous codex, but 10th edition? Everything's working a lot better now I'd say, and the objective number of tournament games win rate has backed that. As an army, they're doing really well right now, especially since they don't have to strictly stick to one Chaos God like they used to (for now) and part of that is the new update in the form of every daemon having deep strike. It's made the army very tricky for opponents to fight, especially if you set up your reserves carefully. In my eyes, there will be nothing funnier than dropping a Great unclean one in a choke point. XD "oh you thought you were going that direction?...nah" Plus with the recent rules update adding shadows of Chaos to all the greater demons, but only for their allegiance daemons (great unclean one gives shadows of Chaos for Nurgle, bloodthirster for Khorne ect.) has made the greater demons better, given them a more solid roll in the army, and with all the buffs they've been getting to their points costs, you can comfortably run at least one in a 1000 point army. Not getting a codex, especially when they're doing really well right now, seems like a very silly thing to do.

It would be strange for them to do this only a couple of years after releasing be’lakor and trying to make undivided daemons its own special theme rather than just soup of whatever is strong at the time from each god. It’ll be a real shame if this does happen as even having access to all gods daemons have a fairly straightforwards playstyle. A mono-khorne army e.g. which can only fight in one phase will be quite bland to play over and over.

I feel like this rumor came around since 4th edition when daemons got their first book

I love Spoilpox Scrivener! Managed to track one down and just finished painting him, so I'll be pissed if he gets dropped from 40k, especially during 10th. He's still in the AoS Vanguard box, which is annoying even for AoS players who want to buy him separately, but it's even worse for 40k players because half of those models are AoS only. GW's business decisions seem completely unhinged sometimes, so who knows.

I play both Deathwatch and Daemons. I was the #1 ITC ranked Deathwatch player in my country for most of 2022. My last 40K event is in November. I'm done after this.

So i am a fan of the lore, not the game, so take what i have to say with that in mind. I think what Daemon needs is a rewrite or a reboot. The 4 chaos factions dont work with each other well. And you have a ton of named characters. From an outsider view, it looks like the faction is fine, but it needs to be re-executed. What daemons should be is armys of renown the faction. So So there should be named deamons/ warped enrities that take and support 2 out of 4 chaos Gods. So khorn and nurgle get "bog" the canibal" and tzeach and khorn get "baal the thunderer" or something and if you wanna run these 2 gods these guys provide buffs to those 2 gods deamons and they are your hq for those armies and you need at least 80% of those forces. I think that is what it needs. More specialized chaos deamons. Lore wise, these guys are demi-gods like vashhtor. They do not like be'lakor they represent a fundamental concept, but they are similar enough to the chaos gods to have similar forces. That's the idea anyway or just make the. Daemon princes, it doesn't matter. What matters is you have a way to take 4 armies thst dont woek together and give them a commander that makes them work together.

As much as Be'lakor has been in recent lore messing with Vashtor, its definitely not happening. I think they're actually pretty popular in theory; the problem is that they're very expensive to collect, even for Warhammer. Every greater daemon and Be'lakor will cost you $168 each.

They should bring back some kind of summoning mechanic. Let you bring demons as a Chaos faction however you want, but make it uncertain and give it a cost until you succeed, like you have to assign a model already on the board to summon with a penalty if it's not their Chaos god and you can't place the demon(s) until that model rolls a 7+ or something, but you can bring the demons in turn 2 regardless from your deployment zone only and within some distance of their summoner. But then also stop nerfing demons all the time in other ways. Just my thought.

Honestly if they Finally just did a full "one God per book" like AOS I would love it, and honestly I really can't tell much of a difference from that and rolling them into the associated space marine codex's outside of like what angle you look at it from, like if all the nurgle demons and deathguard are in the same book that is the nurgle book weather they wanna call it deathguard or Chaos: Nurgle

Why not they did it do CSM, its just more codexes to sell the pay piggies.

This would be weird, they've spent the past few years finally phasing out old sculpts only to Squat them?

This rumour has been around in one form or another for a few editions. And all the chat online is just self replication.

If daemons get deathwatched then 10th ed is the worst edition ever

Pure daemon always has been boring. Give them cultists and renegades.

i don't mind if those factions are downgraded to detachtments to be honest, it would mean less codices and a cleaner experience, in fact i would also put custodes as a 30k exclusive come at me bro

Personally I do not enjoy, playing undivided armies and did not like the 9th edition deamons codex at all. I only really enjoy khorne. I would not be shocked or angry if they split them up like in AoS because I prefer it personally. I adored Khorne deamonkin in seventh for the same reasons. 10th deamon index is frankly a massive step up from 9th imo but it is generic and boring. I personally want my khorne deamons to benefit from rules made specifically for them (Blood tithe) which I think would make balancing easier as you can write more flavorful, crazy rules when you heavily control what units those rules can apply to. I agree the frame work is not really in place for it as things stand as undivided would be pretty neutered but I can easily see a world where the gods get split and each book has 4-5 detachments with a detachment specifically for deamons, 1 for mortals, two that encourages a combination and potentially some wildcard wacky detachment.

Should keep them as they are and if you run death guard, world eaters, thousand suns and * emperor's children* those deamon units should be in their codexs like 8th with none of rule breaking they did in 8th.

Honestly as someone who plays all the Chaos Marine factions but has 3,000 points of demons I really would prefer that they split them up. I also play a lot of AOS and it just works better in that game, and demons has never felt like it's been a proper force It always feels like four armies in a trenchcoat. With proper rules and balancing they would help flesh out the other rosters too.

I want Daemons to still be able to demon blob in all flavors but damn would I love if they simply got the buffs of thier allied factions (DG, WE, Tsons and EP) so they can have some more impact and flavor instead of being allies and not having an army rule when played. A Great Unclean One *doesnt* get to emit an aura of filth and decay in DG? Why? The GUO and Beasts of Nurgle for my DG army is what will get me to get into a Daemon Army and I would hate to see Daemons it go away altogether bc Belakor is a SICK model. But I am just a casual and dont know all the intricacies of balance.

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Seems like they should stop making new rules sets and versions of the game if they can't update everything in between versions.

As a Harlequin, deathwatch and demon player. GW is committed to removing me from the game. Joking aside, I actually think they may split the books.

Loved this video. I included a knight abominant in the list too alongside some obliterators. For indirect damage and dishing out mortals even if the enemy is hidden.

I have often wondered about how mixed god daemons armies are supposed to function given "the great game" in the lore. If the gods are struggling for dominance, how come their servants are collaborating? But then again, how are Daemons of only one god supposed to win? I guess they have traitor marines to help them? Idk, but it sounds like it would piss off collectors, one way or another. If they do Deathwatch the Daemons, I think it's gonna make bigger waves than what we've seen so far.

Pruning armies is bad for the game and unnecessary. Balancing is easy, yet GW spend zero time testing things to do it. Codexes are unnecessary - everybody has access to all the rules online - which is necessary for the game to be fair anyway. This is simply bad and greedy behaviour from GW. Other indie projects can produce balanced games with the same number of datasheets with a single author.