Yes

At least we got multiplayer for practice tool

Thank you man, I think it's broken

@DoransShield for malphite is broken yes or no?

They are doing quantity not quality, that's the main problem.

Same

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I hope so

Sure

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It's because those changes are trash, I like the practice tool change and I like the map update.

@DoransShield Sill only hear wee wee. in a year everyone will love it like always

True

Rito...

Bro I can't

stop being woke for riot ... relax a bit.

Yeah, but I don't like that only one team gets tier 3 boots. Maybe if they allowed the other team to get the boots like 10 mins later or something like that, it would be balanced.

The changes are trash

Your trash. Play the season first then bronzie ​@DoransShield

Thank you man

It's a meme

www.op.gg/champions/akali/build, www.op.gg/champions/diana/build, www.op.gg/champions/fizz/build and there are more. You don't know what you are talking about.

@DoransShield Other AP assassins include - Ekko (worst WR with Zhonya in his first 3 items) Kassadin (worst WR with Zhonya in his first 3 items) Evelynn (doesnt even build Zhonya because its a waste of space most of the time) Basically the only AP assassin that has good winrate with early Zhonya is Fizz.

Thank you man

Sorry that english is not my native language, but my accent is not even that bad. I am yapping about same thing because it's THE TOPIC of the video. I am not even reapating myself that much in this video.

@ rule number 1 don’t respond to hate

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It does exact opposite, it gives you more space for skill expression. With this change you should have a lot more micro control and understanding of the game. You have to decide between: using control wards for vision, keeping them to counter invisible champions and not buying control wards. Yes, you can deny aspects of champ-kits for 75 gold, but it brings more complexity to the game. For example you bought control ward for 75 to counter Akali, she comes close to you and uses her shroud, you use your control ward, but it actually was a bait and she didn't plan on going in. You've just wasted 75 gold, you didn't get the vision and now you don't have a chance for outplay. If you buy control wards over and over again it could actually lose the game because enemy champs with invisibility will get a gold lead. Right now it's just "I've picked Lee Sin into Kha'zix, good draft I win", with control wards change you will have more options to counter invisible champions. I think every mechanic should have some sort of counter play outside of drafts and invisibility doesn't have it.

Still missing the point. The reason you cant just buy a control ward to counter Akali or Kha'Zix is because Riot knows it would be too cheap of a trade off. Hence why some champs have CAMOFLAGE (twitch, evelynn, Rengar) and can be spotted by controlwards while other champs cant. Making this change does not improve leagues complexity at all. It would only be a nerf to certain champs meanwhile everyone else across the board gets better. You need to learn to deal with these champs using your own kit, draft and gameknowledge. If every mechanic needs counterplay outside of draft then why isnt there an item that stops dashes similar to poppy W? because it would be over powered. if such an item existed it would negatively impact Poppys identity while also rendering champs like Rengar completely useless. Your example also doesn't take in to consideration that Akali at this point has used her shroud which is her longest CD and is now in a way weaker position for the next 15 seconds, thus skewing the odds. This would never work in higher Elos because simply having the CW would discourage Akali from using her most important spell. Therefore the pressure you get from 75g is essentially equal to holding an ENTIRE reveal ability for the right moment. The potential loss of 75g can never compare to the potential loss of a fight and its degenerate because it TAKES AWAY from other aspects of the game that are intended for these situations.

@@boneheadsawq First of all why you calling my point of view degenerate? Camouflage was designed to evade vision and used for ganks, while invisibility is a safety tool that's used during fights. It improves League complexity by giving you a choice. Yes this is a nerf to certian champs, but in the video I mentioned that they should get a buff if these changes get implemented 10:08. That's the problem many champs don't have anything in their kit that can counter invisible champions. There are too few champions with reveal abilities and it's not always possible to draft them. How game knowledge will help me to understand in which part of shroud Akali is? kzbin.info/www/bejne/haeZdWuEea1jqq8 pro players don't have enough game knowledge? Or invisibility is op? I don't think that there should be an item that stops dashes, but maybe an item that slows dashes or something like that would be interesting. Yes, Akali used her shroud and will be at weaker position for the next 15 seconds. But why you don't take in to consideration the fact that you used your only anti-invisability tool? You will get the next control ward after recall and when Akali gets her cooldown back you wont have any counterplay tools and on top of that you wasted 75 gold. This would work in higher elos because in higher elos vision is very important, instead of contributing towards vision you keep the control wards which can lead to even worse consequences. Again it's a hard choice. Yes, 75 gold doesn't look like a lot of gold, but in early game it can make a difference. What's more important is that you lose the vision if you keep wards for the fight. In the mid to late game it's not about gold, it's about slot. Again it's a choice, do you want to use a slot for control wards or buy a basic/epic item that gives you stats.

@DoransShield I meant that i think the counter-measure you propose to invis is in my opinion promoting 'degenerate' gameplay by removing skill expression. The same way you might think the current state of invis lack counterplay and is degenerate. I didn't mean to offend you. I wont answer to most of your points because i think its a bit redundant atp. I dont have perfect gameknowledge and you could be right as well as i could. However i think the clip of Akali escaping 1v4 in a pro game only proves my point here. He knows enemy is moving to him (he watches map and his team is telling him in coms) therefore he instantly Ws and starts teleporting to safety. Notice he doesn't wait to dodge Viegos E because he knows by the time he will channel TP Leona or Ziggs will be there to possibly cancel it with CC (rumble can give akali positioning with Q). His perfect awareness, timing and knowledge of enemy champion capabilities is what allows him to pull off this insane play. If your change was implemented a 75g control ward by either Rumble or Viego and it wouldve been GG with 0 chance of Akali escaping and we would've never had this moment. This is exactly why i think the game is better off without such a change. Again i didn't mean to offend you, I just think such change is 'degenerate' to the nature of the game. You make great videos and i think your takes are good, I just happened to disagree on this one.

@@boneheadsawq It's all good. The fact that Akali can escape in this type of situations is not ok. In the comment before you said that my game knowledge would help me to counter invisible champions, in this comment you talk about game knowledge of player on Akali - invisible champion. If I am Viego in this situation game knowledge wont help at all. Akali isn't supposed to escape like this. Okay, if Akali ulted someone, dodged 5 abilities, dashed away, then it would be an insane play. But here Akali just pressed W + F, you don't have to be any good in the game to press 2 buttons. Low elo silvers can do this, but even pro players can't do ANYTHING to counter it. Isn't it weird?

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@@DoransShield you want to remove ad+hp bruiser items, so lets remove all the items that give the squishy damage dealers hp and shields. then it'd be a fair trade. but then again, ap bruisers would suffer so they have to come up with something new for them. i think they should just introduce base AP for all characters so they can seperate ap carry items from ap bruiser items

@@reculi I don't want to remove ad+hp brusier items. I want to remove items that scale your ad based on hp because tanks can buy 2 hp items and one item that gives ad based on hp, then deal more damage than ADC's with 3 damage items. Items that give shields and other type of survivability to squishy damage dealers have long cooldowns and you can play around these cooldowns, while tanks get permanent damage from items that give ad or ap based on hp.

@@DoransShield ok so you want to remove hp scaled damage items. mages got rabadons, adcs got IE. whats bruisers' big damage spike item? The tanks you talk about still need to be in melee range to deal that damage, i dont know why people undervalue range. i also think this is a biased opinion because of certain champs using the item very well (like sion because of his innate inf. hp scaling). if i manage to get on top of a damage dealer as an immobile juggernaut/tank i should be able to deal damage otherwise you'll only see utilty tanks played. also after mid-game this stops working because the adc will have so much dps and a lot more survivability you getting in 3-4 autos and your spell rotation usually wont kill them and you'll get kited to death because a tank in the middle of a team's formations is a big red target. its a lot easier to play the peel the adc meta as opposed to dive the backline because its been the same thing for ages and diving backlines usually require coordination with your other divers/artillery mages which is absent in soloq. so, can we still have some scaling or are we supposed to be just target dummies that run around and dont scale at all?

@reculi Rabadons and I.E. scales damage based on damage, tanks and fighter items scale damage based on hp, it's a key difference. I.E. and Rabadons are terrible items because as a mage or ADC you are forced to build these items in any game, if these items didn't exist and other items just did more damage League of Legends would be much better. As a brusier you have more build diversity and you can adapt your builds more. Range is a joke. Most tanks and fighters have a gap closer, or they take ghost or they have other things in their kit that allow the to catch squishy damage dealers. League of Legends is not played by AI that doesn't make any mistakes that creates opportunites for tanks and fighters to get on top of damage dealers. Yes, if you get on top of damag dealer as an immobile tank or fighter you should be able to deal damage, but tanks and fighters are not immobile. In the perfect League of Legends where tanks and fighters really immobile then it would be okay from them to one-shot a damage dealer, but in reality most of them have a huge gap closer or high move speed. ADC's don't have any survivability. Maybe we are playing different games, but "your spell rotation usually wont kill them", how a spell rotation can't kill the most squishiest champions in the game? Tanks are supposed to be a "big red target" because their purpose is to tank damage. How pressing R on Maplite, Ksante, Ambessa, etc and one shotting the backline requires coordination with other divers/artillery mages? I've never said that tanks and fighters shouldn't have scaling, just their damage shouldn't scale BASED on hp.

Zhonyas is annoying, but at least it's used by more than 1 champion

Ok

Imo tanks are not balanced, Riot should make tanks deal less damage and be more tanky.

The Majority of tanks that show problem are tanks that deal magic % health dmg. When these champions are all physical fighters. Champions innately have less magic resist so making tanks deal magic damage means you allow them to deal more damage. Also since they have to deal magic damage they are forced to build ability power meaning their basic attacks become useless thus they have to overcompensate with extremely high magic dmg abilities. Which makes them clunky and feel like assasins that rely on burst. Now imagine most tank champions Dealt physical damage. That means armor is applied to their dmg making it instantly less effective. Now they scale with attack damage items and basic attacks so you nerf the base damage and change the scalings to fit those of attack damage champions. Meaning less burst and more consistent damage which is what a tank should be. For example. Alistar,Blitzcrank,Cho'gath,Dr. Mundo,Malphite,Maokai,Tahm Kench,Warwick,Zac,Rell(she hits you with Iron parts) are mostly if not completely physical fighters. Other than blitzcrank's ult,Cho'gath's W, Mundo's W which are energy or sound attacks all others are purely physical meaning they should deal and scale with physical damage. By doing this you remove the ability power scalings from those abilities and your force them to build attack damage. Thus forcing them to farm,trade and fight in general with their basic attacks allowing you to nerf their burst damage. You can further apply this to other clearly physical abilities on other tanks. Example. Nunu's chomp --> physical damage with AD scaling Nautlius Q and W onhit empowerment --> physical damage and scale with AD. Ornn passive and E --> both are impact --> physical damage that scale with AD. Leona's Q --> Physical that scales with AD Sejuani's E --> scales with AD Thresh Q and E(and the E passive) --> All physical damage that scale with AD. Now for certain champions Like Gragas,Galio,Mordekaiser. It is better to not change how they deal damage since they are mostly mages and secondly tanks. So making them deal physical damage would somewhat change their thematic. Although I do not think it would be that bad.

Yeah I do repeat myself, but I talk a lot to explain my point and I am not sure when I didn't get to the point.

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Overlord's Bloodmail is good on Mundo, but he rarely builds it

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Please don't remind me

Support don't build it even in long games

@@DoransShield I mean...I do

@@bkstaxman You are a great support. Only 0.5% supports build it leagueofitems.com/items/4643

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