Did you guys personally reach out to Shawn or his ministry for comment, before you made this video?

She says Trump will not be able to gather very good minds. Has anyone been paying attention to the people he is putting in his administration? In my opinion they are indeed very intelligent people with very good intellects.

I just can’t believe they have him in any sort of ministry. Morning Star is definitely off my bucket list.

I thought that leadership is supposed to protect the flock not the gifts. According to the book that you guys believe in their responsibility from christ is to protect the flock. Sounds like they are more concerned with their ministry more than protecting the flock. Not telling the church publicly leaves the flock unprotected. That is unacceptable.

Not only were Emma's words not prophetic, they were demonic. Her politics is apparent. Terrible.

I think you guys are being unfair to Chris Reed. He is very gifted prophetically and pretty much no one disputes that. He had a flirtation that did not cross the line into sex and he and the woman repented to God and each other. Chris was forgiven by his wife. I dont think we should carry our pitchforks any time a Christian falls. We ask for mercy yet show none. Thats not cool either. And please I am not excusing his mistake at all. Galatians 6:1

AI is awful, we must get our words directly from Holy Spirit anointing.

You are far too lenient concerning Bethel. And Chris Vallaton. When I lived in Austin my church partnered with Bethel’s Ministry School which I attended. We watched their videos etc and the pastors came and gave presentations. We got the glitter, gold dust and a few feathers. I saw demonic activity various times and was rebuked when I reported it. Chris gave a long talk about a dream or vision about his heritage after he’s gone. The scene was a mansion on a high hill with lots of land. It was filled with all his children and heirs. The climax was seeing a huge fireplace wall with a huge portrait above it. Like who is to be thanked for and credited with supplying all this enormous wealth. The denouement was everyone looking up at the portrait. Of course I thought it would be Jesus or some tribute to God. But it was of Chris and his wife. All of a sudden I knew who he 1:01:59 was working for. His wife was with him on that trip and she was decked out with big diamonds everywhere. Didn’t seem like they were there to glorify God. I am sick of people covering for these wolves. They are not brethren. They are wolves and have no fear of God. They are there to fleece the sheep and don’t care one bit about the safety of the sheep. Scary to bring a new convert into the church in its present condition. These pastors are multi millionaires. Best job in the world for wolves.

yeah, definitely don't say suck (as i tried to tell my children, too, and i WILL tell your mother if i meet her).

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There's actually a lot of training and teaching on discerning false prophets and prophecy

Bill Johnson took Shawn Bolz and went on Sheila Walsh's TBN show in June of 2023, promoting Bolz and selling his book. Kris Vallotton says that Bethel stopped platforming/promoting Bolz, but either he's lying or he and Bill Johnson don't talk to each other about Bethel's "policy." Sheila Walsh has recently uploaded this on her own KZbin channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqPPq3ljjtF9mdksi=8cPqZe-lfXc2NkXL

I don't know guys. Are we to do this all publicly. Full podcasts? And Jeremiah Johnsons prophecy about Trump winning was true. Trump has won 3x. As far as Daystar. Suzy and Jonathan seem very deceptive. She's made accusations against 3 diff people claiming sexual abuse. One claim was towards a child at her daughters school. One against a chiropractor (she claims she herself was abused) and then this one against her family member.

I’m tired of hearing God’s children getting abused…. I was in a well known ministry that several people/ families that gave their lives in the mission get abused by the leader. This guy has been confronted but no repentance, no reconciliation, he just keeps going and he preaches all over th US and the world…. I don’t think the majority of people know….to be honest I’m waiting on this to be drawn to attention. I will definitely testify

I believe the prophets got it right. Where I see it is Kim Clement said there would be a time of 2 presidents. We have seen this in the last 4 years in the minds and mouths of the people. Many of those people say missed it have continued in their prophesies and the words that came to past kept bringing us through. Trump won. Evidence says Trump won. The deep state has been holding those evidences back. Give it time and I believe it will also be exposed. Give it time.

There's a worse cancer than SA in the body of Christ, what do you find out that a lot of mega churches and mega pastors are trafficking humans, children, women, worse, evil practices SRS satanlc rltual sacrlflce, it's just starting to come out drip by drip

Oh wow Mike bickel used Bible verses, imagine that, Satan uses Bible verses

The biggest problem is that people believe that the revelatory work of the Holy Spirit is to reveal something about yourself to make you feel good or what you must do with your life, but the revelatory work of the Holy Spirit is the revelation of Jesus Christ. Maybe pastors should take a step back and start teaching what the scriptures actually teach, then you won’t have people listening to these fake words from fake prophets! Pastors need to do what they are told to do in the scriptures! Preach the Word in season and out of season, rightly dividing the Word.

I think Rick Joyner is ONE of the most self-deceived ministers out there. He depends too much on "what the Lord told me." The Lord does speak to us and direct us, but Rick thinks he hears the Lord and has visitations way too often.He is hearing Rick, not the Lord. And I don't really believe he has all the visitations from the Lord that he describes. Someone else may be visiting him.

I love to be corrected by him

Lusting after the tower ascension

So many victims SUFFER SO MUCH!!! Jesus hates that!

Trust is like a rock it’s hard to break but impossible to mend

How can you be accountable when there is no oversight that’s trustworthy tell me that I am so frustrated. I am not under a “” covering because the Lord has said don’t do it. I will be your covering.

Hey guys. You are spot on in so many of your points and I'm grateful for you helping the body by posting this. I want to help warn more people. Can I use footage from your video for that?

They are ALL linked and associated with each other. Trust none of them. Rick Joyner is a Knights of Malta member and will not deny it either. He has a letter trying to explain how it is merely a social club. It is far worse then that and we know it. Knghts of Malta is affiliated with Fr33m@$onry & the Je-suits. Evil to the core.

Rick Joyner is a Knights of Malta member and does not deny it. He has written a letter explaining how it is merely a social Club. It is a very dark & evil Club if you are unaware of it and it is affiliated with Fr33m@$onry & the Je-suits. It is very sad that others have just brushed this under the carpet and allowed him to continue in his position.

I just wanted to say by way of encouragement that this episode really touched me, so thank you. And no I don’t comment this often. Also I think you’re channel name is perfect, considering how the prophetic crisis is driven by pride

Both sides are corrupt to the core, Dems vs Rep, & they ALL belong to Clubs. Many are being fooled and just want to trust someone. The only one to trust is God.

Many don't understand how deep & dark the secrets of 'men/women of God' go. Many people are being deceived. Many pastors are also connected to Club members. (Ro-tar-y, Lions, Elks, Knights of Malta .. all affiliating to Fr33m@$on & Je-suits.) Rick Joyner is a Knights of Malta member & does not deny it. Lance Wallnau sat with a Grand Master Mason Nicholas Papanicolaou. I have proof too but many can find it too if they will research. Test everything & everyone. Trust God alone. God bless you & keep standing strong

This podcast was music to my ears. You spoke some hard truths, but your humility and good humour made the medicine go down easy. I’ve stepped away from most of the prophetic movement, except for a couple of prophets. We need a lot more of this!

Hes a " fortune teller"😢 i feel bad for the people. Shawn was hearing from something soulish . I alway wondered whst drew him to hollywood and how he would stay clean? Its like a man i used to know years ago that had the idea to go to bars to reach people and instead of making a differnce he sunk as a christian. Very sad

Can you please post the comment photos from Kris and reference where we can find those dialogues online.

Shawn should know better. I guess he thinks the Lord won't bother to get involved.

In my opinion, prophets should also learn, know and recognize they are not supposed to have specific words for everybody! That would be twisting God’s arm to say what we “need” or want and not what He wants to communicate to whomever he wants to say it! Right? That pressure may be dangerous for every piece of the equation! I am not defending anybody here but if a word is expected for a 100 people to prove you do in fact have the gift, then you will definitely fail! But I guess that is why he was invited to all those events, as if there was like a little book on words as prophets we go to… I mean, I had been asked by people like: “pray and prophesy to me” to which I have to answer many times: We’ll pray together and if God shows me something, I will share it with you, are we in agreement?. We are not like a word of knowledge machine! We use the gift as required! As the Spirit requires not us!

I went to Bethel for years. There is so much cover up. Kevin Dedmond. Ben Armstrong. Bob Hartley. I could go on. Covering up is what they do. All ynder the guise of culture of honor. Bill wont even let people tell him anything bad about someone. Like if you went to Bill and said this man SA a student who works under him, Bill would rebuke you and YOU would be in trouble for bringing it to him.

I bought into Shawn's material for over decade. A while ago I started to question his words and stories were genuine. What do ya know? That intuition was correct. He's been exposed in private circles but not publicly. It's only a matter of time and the evidence is mounting. Alot of people are saying he's a fraud

Bethel is not a cult!!!

Something we teach our disciples is that you must learn how to sustain a relationship with God your self, we rely on Him and the prophetic is to confirm what you have heard from God already, we release people from personal responsibility when we put it all on the prophet/ prophetic person’s shoulders. Prophets before Jesus were the only way of hearing God’s voice but today we have Holy Spirit!

I’m not charismatic. You and I disagree on a lot doctrinally but I appreciate your dedication to this. God is faithful

Your explanation of when prophet is to be destroyed is wrong. Any false prophecy is not of God and the prophet was to be killed. Had NOTHING to do with an underlying motive of leading people away. That is a false teaching gif people who want to excuse their own false prophecies.

What ever happened to learning Gods voice and hearing from God for ourselves church… “I’ve written these things about those who are attempting to lead you astray. But the wonderful anointing you have received from God is so much greater than their deception and now lives in you. There’s no need for anyone to keep teaching you. His anointing teaches you all that you need to know, for it will lead you into truth, not a counterfeit. So just as the anointing has taught you, remain in him. And now, dear children, remain in him, so that when he is revealed we may have joyful confidence and not be ashamed when we stand before him at his appearing. If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who lives in righteousness has been divinely fathered by him.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭2‬:‭26‬-‭29‬ ‭TPT‬‬

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They are ALL false prophets.

I was a worship leader and on staff with another prophet and leader within these networks for almost 7 years. The leader I was under knows Shawn personally, came up through the ranks with him, would speak with him at traveling events… and I just have to say… this entire “prophetic movement” is absolute garbage. I believe in prophecy, because I believe in the Bible, but the way these men handle themselves and their businesses is deplorable. I personally was used and manipulated for almost 7 years within this ministry, I was a worship leader, I roadtripped and shared hotel rooms with the leader, I was at every event and helped in every way I could, I even gave him private piano lessons…lastly, I personally designed, ordered, and installed their brand new A/V system… and I went from “part of the family” sitting around the table one night, to not even being worth a phone call from that leader letting me know why I was no longer needed there. An underling called me to let me know I would no longer be working there, and said that they would give me a few weeks pay to help me along, and thanks for all I did… well that money never came, also the reimbursements from various aspects of the A/V install never came, and I’m no longer being reached out to by leaders in those circles for leading worship. What was the hardest part though, was being told all the “prophetic words” for years about how I’d be leading worship for X and Y, I’d be speaking, my ministry would grow in this and that way… only to be there one day, and gone the next, never to be thought about again. The leaders of these “networks” and circles are nothing more than deceivers and narcissistic manipulators that will tell people anything they need to hear to keep them coming back. They have taken the gifts that God gave them (if it actually is even God, and not some other kind of deceptive spirit of divination) and they use and mislead people for there own gain or ego. The hurt I felt from being lied to for so long about my future during that time almost made me leave God and the church for good! And even though time has passed, I STILL feel some of the areas where my heart is closed off to people, to ministry, and to God himself, that I still need to work on in my own life. I pray healing for everyone (including me) that has been hurt and affected by these false prophets and wolves in sheep’s clothing. I pray that guidance comes directly from HolySpirit and leads them back to the paths God created them to be walking along. I pray for health and wholeness for the body, and that those that would abuse the body through deception would be allowed to be exposed and removed.

1:05:17 omg I’m sorry i keep commenting but THIS!!!!! I shared an elevator with Shawn bolz at Morningstar right around the time you’re talking about: 2013-2015 not sure exactly. But I left that elevator convinced that he didn’t have a true relationship with God. I was hoping I’d get some crazy prophetic word but he just stared ahead and wouldn’t speak to me at all. I had no sense of God’s presence. I’m actually prophetic. Sometimes it freaks me out. lol Christians and nonchristians alike tell me that they can sense God’s presence when I start talking about him. They’ll say “omg I feel what you’re saying” or something to that effect. He didn’t have that at all. Took me several years to really diagnose what I experienced but that was it: lack of anointing and the presence. SAME THING WITH RICK JOYNER. But I would say rather than feeling a neutral feeling around him (how I felt with Shawn), he had a mean edge to him. Something so off with him and he has the WORST discernment…..or he knows exactly what he’s doing.

The KZbin channel “Messed Up Church” has been calling out bolz and bethel and many others for years in a very palpable way. They’re very funny but point to the clear diversions from scriptures and why these people are frauds. HIGHLY RECOMMEND!!!!!

A prophet without rebuke is no prophet at all.

SO GLAD IT’S FINALLY OFFICIAL!!!!!!!! This guy is a phony.

Narcissists love to try to silence people! Why do church leaders continue abusing 5 year Olds or 12 year Olds. Why is it OK to tell victims if they talk people will go to hell! I'm shocked that people think these behaviors are acceptable