It's very concerning like as much as I want to blame ownership as much as I would like, there has historically been great general managers that were able to work within whatever the constraints John Stanton puts out Like I really do think that any other general manager that did the Kendall graveman trade and the Paul sewald trade would have been fired and those trades made absolutely no sense because Mariners were clearly in contention Pat gillick and Woody Woodward worked with even more constraints back then and Woody Woodward worked with possibly limited revenues due to the kingdome I really can't make any more excuses for Jerry because he has had 9 years to figure it out and all he could get the Mariners with a playoff appearance but I guess for Stanton standards one playoff appearance protects the job And now 2022 is pretty much a carbon copy of1995 But nobody really talks about that as a nostalgia treasure

@rooftopsports I view 2022 as luck now, I was wrong in the past as a big truster of Dipoto. Last season was eye opening, especially the AL Central teams dominating the Wild Card race with significantly worse pitching. I don't think Jerry understands how to win in T-Mobile Park and him overvaluing the starting pitchers hurts our ability to compete. Basically, I realized the team has been successful in spite of him. Speaking of nostalgia bait, look at how the 2001 team was constructed and tell me that "pitching is how we're built" is the map to success in Seattle. When you have an environment that suppresses offense as much as Seattle, you shouldn't tie up all your resources in pitching because any pitcher you throw out there is going to get a boost. That will make it difficult to sign FA hitters but it also means you can fill your rotation out with ease because every pitcher will take a one year deal in Seattle if they can't get the big one from LA or NY. So tying up all five rotation spots with young controllable guys limits your ability to make moves that help the baseball and business sides of the team. Being unwilling to deal clearly failed prospects like Kelenic before their value is "attached to salary dump" makes those kinds of moves necessary in the first place. The same thing is happening with non-failed starters Kirby, Miller, Woo, and Hancock now; except they have tremendously more value than Kelenic ever did. The M's are bad at being cheap and they're bad at spending money. Maybe they should try being good at one of those things and they could probably have a sustainable winner. To me the M's are 4th in the AL West right now if Texas is healthy. Sacramento will be at least a .500 team and Houston is better than last year now. The fifth largest baseball stadium in the world will host a worse team than one playing in a minor league park. But we'll get to see a bunch of "impressive starting pitching" on the way to 4th place, that's.... something.

I doubt it

Thanks

@@rooftopsports Can I have a meeting with you regarding your KZbin channel problem at your time?

Mariners are the enemy within

Why are you confused

@@rooftopsports because what is that field goal formation

Oh right got it, the broncos were expecting the field goal attempt to be missed so they were preparing for a kick return for a chance for a touchdown

@@rooftopsportsno it was a free kick from the fair catch🤦‍♂️

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Until I actually see reports and legitimate reports that Christian Walker is on the Mariners and it cannot be from jon morosi I'm not buying it one bit

Regarding Castillo yeah and then Jerry just gave up and didn't bother negotiating

@@rooftopsports No, no. Really focus in, here. You're arguing that they have no plan. Let's use a metaphor. Let's say someone is arguing that U.S. currency doesn't exist. Then, to prove it, they pull out a $5 bill and say, 'Look at how stupid Abraham Lincoln looks. See? Stupid beard and everything. Therefore, the U.S. has no currency.' I might even agree with you that Abe looks stupid. But to use that to support such a laughably bad argument, to use an example that contradicts your very premise, deserves ridicule. What is a plan? In baseball terms, having a team goal, strategies that help you attain that goal, and tactics to effectuate your strategies. M's goal? Field an MLB roster that wins 54% of their games within a given budget. Strategies? Cheap player acquisition. Pitching development. Mental skills development. Tactics? Build in the DR to obtain inroads into international free agents. Draft, develop, and trade. Trade out burdensome contracts. You may not like the plan. I'd agree with you. But that's not the argument you're making. You're saying that the M's HAVE NO GOALS. NO STRATEGIES. NO TACTICS. You are wrong and until you admit it, you are worthy of condescension and ridicule.

Touche

Same thing with Nintendo back then

Tragic, but also doesn't help at the team isn't exactly what it was back in 2014 but also then again in 2011 under Tavaris Jackson The crowd was still after it But also that was a different time even before Amazon became what it became

Ouch But Gg

Yeah....

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I was hoping to Seahawks would approach the draft for a quarterback and they are going to have to sooner than later, Smith cannot last forever

@@rooftopsports true, but if we had an o-line we'd have more wins and Geno isn't young anymore so he needs more time in the pocket and he's just not getting it.

@@markspitz7883 good O line or not, Seahawks still got to explore a quarterback in the draft but 2025 doesn't look any promising as of now but who knows

@@rooftopsports well, getting Howell set us back, that's time and money wasted.

And draft pick

Thanks for all the geographic points

And as for the money the Mariners don't necessarily need the most top free agent but they just need something at least decent and above the levels of Jorge polanco and Adam Frazier and kolton Wong to help but the Mariners aren't even doing the bare minimum in the off season unfortunately

@@rooftopsports lack of geographic and general knowledge of the PNW outside of King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties is pretty rampant in M's tube. Guys like J and MarinersSUR have some better perspective on it than most. I don't think you're anywhere near as bad as some, to be fair. But also the "Seattle is a top 10 market" meme needs to die because it is demonstrably untrue. Like I said money isn't the problem, it is the half ass way they operate. They don't trade guys on time (Kelenic and now the Starters) and tie up money in areas that should be cheap by design. Spending an extra $50 million inefficiently is not going to do much. Jerry's fascination with "2B with pop" is definitely annoying, especially when you could get more value out of that position with a more widely available cheap skill set.

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I have goff

@ so then why didn’t you start him

I have a little but lions run the ball alot

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Dodgers get attention when it's convenient

As a Mets fan I can honestly say I don't care how the Dodgers spend their money as long as Dodgers fans don't complain about how the Mets spend theirs 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Oh and people don't see the Mets as a threat yet

Most dodger fans i saw just laughed it off And personally Teams should be allowed to spend as much as they want Nobody is stopping other teams to do it haha Plus majority of owners are cheap Granted Sports isn't exactly a profitable business but I would think that most owners I own a sports franchise are already making money from somewhere else

@@rooftopsports the Dodgers fans are comfortable knowing that they are the best team in baseball and they became that by spending wisely and that is also how any team who want to get near them will have to do as well

2023 season lol

I brought it back! For my KZbin shorts whenever a home run happens

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@@rooftopsports oh I'm saying this to the Mariners

Mariners ownership is too cheap to pay ACDC 😂😂😂

John Stanton is worse than John Fisher I've been saying it for years John Fisher was only a bad owner because he just wanted out of Oakland because honestly who wants to be in Oakland at this point it's unfortunately a rundown City, there's a reason why other sports teams left including the Golden State warriors who went to San Francisco

It never gets old

They desperately need a starter And ultimately it's the Mariners managements job to sell the idea but I would think that if the Mariners did offer one of their starters Baltimore is definitely going to ask for any of the top name prospects out of the Mariners farm system for sure

Will be a challenge

Since Jerry does not have another long-term contract, he really should be making moves as if it's literally his last day, like what does he got to lose at this point?

@@rooftopsports That's the thing, we don't actually know how long his contract extension is for. Even if it is a one-year prove-it deal, he ended up in this spot because he thought his moves in last year's offseason would suffice for his "sustained success" approach.

It seems that John really likes Jerry because he does pander to the budget passionately And I remember I heard they were talks about the quote Robinson cano PTSD But the Mariners got out of most of that contract of the remains and Mariners at least got kelenic where I would still do that trade again, if he had just panned out then the Mariners would have won that trade or at least it would have been a push because of Diaz

He really did it

And drunk

YEAHHHHH

Great points and hopefully he can get that job done especially for how long he was able to do it in Atlanta

Especially with Scott as the agent he wouldn't have even allowed a hometown discount even if Blake wanted one and yeah this video does not age well at all lmao

They did very well especially Leonard Williams

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It's proof that Stanton doesn't want to win he's in it for making money which is fine and he's entitled to do that since he does own the team but in any other business it's hard to get away with that of just taking shortcuts, like for small business they actually have to take risks and spend more money investing into the business to make money but stanton unfortunately doesn't have that kind of incentive or fear because Mariners make a substantial amount of money based on their nostalgia, their stadium and the fact that Major League baseball is also a huge business

Also ever since Stanton bought the team, he hasn't even bothered looking at the Asian market

@ oh yeah, definitely Joe that is really terrible and really awful and yeah, you definitely have to look at the Asian market when it comes to finding baseball talent, and it’s also really proven that globally some athletes are starting to be good at American sports, just look at the NBA and NHL and MLS.

Especially when they are undervalued talent since the Mariners refused to look at anything in the free agent that's the average

At this point he's worse than Howard Lincoln

At least Lincoln was honest about his money-saving agenda, Stanton is just a pathological liar

@@rooftopsports oh yeah very good points man.

Hmmm?

Oh right got ti!

Yikes Is your neighbor okay

@rooftopsports ye

Wheww

I do have a tough schedule ahead of me though

Wowzaa

Yeahhh

How are you holding up right now

Yes

Had to!

@ oh yeah for sure man. For sure. It’s all good man.