Good tier list as always, Doots! Was vibing to this at work haha. These are inevitably going to trample on several people's toes but I do appreciate your honest reasonings! Very glad you liked Lusamine's themes, hers are one of my favorites. Unfortunately I disagree with Cyrus themes (please don't come after me lmao) because they never really had an (as powerful) impact on younger me when playing DPPt. Same with Lysandre, but I definitely see the appeal for some people and everyone's entitled to own their opinions ofc. For me they don't sound as "menacing" compared to like Ghetsis/Mother Beast Lusamine/Chairman Rose etc.
@BrassydootsКүн бұрын
@@HoshiHanabi thanks man! Yeah those Cyrus themes are hit or miss for people, it’s only his original that I really enjoy the hell out of haha. The Motherbeast theme was the big revelation for me in this one though, that theme goes crazy hard. Glad you enjoyed the video my man, appreciate the level headed response as always! 🍻🤝
@HoshiHanabiКүн бұрын
Enjoyed listening to these along with you, some I had completely forgotten also lol. USUM Giovanni was a surprise for me, it was actually really good. Finally a theme befitting him
@BrassydootsКүн бұрын
@ yeah that Giovanni theme was great! Was a big fan of him getting a true theme, only took them 20 years hahahaha. It goes hard!
@chrisrey00182 күн бұрын
dppt4life!!
@jeamsis4 күн бұрын
Kudos to you for doing this because i would just have to put them all in absolute banger tier
@Brassydoots4 күн бұрын
hahaha sometimes people get mad when I don't put them all in absolute banger, but like, I feel like that just wouldn't make for a good video. I like to try and look at them a little more critically so I'm glad you enjoyed my approach!
@MasterGamer155 күн бұрын
out of all the elite 4 themes. gen 7 legit goes the hardest
@Brassydoots5 күн бұрын
@@MasterGamer15 it does go crazy hard that’s for sure. Gen 7 has a pretty great soundtrack overall tbh, a lot of iconic themes
@ogdaddyclean77786 күн бұрын
Somehow Giovani returns
@Kalaggu20207 күн бұрын
Gladion and Bede absolute certified huge bangers (though, Hugh best theme forever). Silver and OG rival theme overrated, just vibey. Aside from that, I completely agree with the tiers
@Brassydoots7 күн бұрын
@@Kalaggu2020 I appreciate you conveying these opinions without coming after me personally hahaha. That silver theme can strike people differently for sure, there’s a lot of nostalgia in that one for me but it still hits these days too. Appreciate you checking this one out!
@Kalaggu20207 күн бұрын
@@Brassydoots You saw this comment 2 years later! That caught me off-guard. Yeah, I try to not be an ass-hat when giving personal opinions. And I am really liking these pokemon theme tier lists, this is actually the last one in your channel I watched, I binged all of them in almost one go! Good content, def waiting for more, my favourite tier list (for now) is the villain themes one, really enjoyed that vid!
@Brassydoots7 күн бұрын
@kalaggu2020 haha of course! I’m very active on here so I don’t miss a ton of the comments, it’s not like I’m a huge big time KZbinr or anything. I’m really glad you’ve been enjoying these tier lists though! There will definitely be more in the future, but in the meantime, I’d highly recommend some of the gameplay oriented Pokémon vids I’ve done too. The radical red dootslocke series is one I’ve put a ton of time into editing the vids for and it’s almost all finished, so feel free to check those out if you’d like, but no pressure! Appreciate you checking these out regardless!
@Kalaggu20207 күн бұрын
@@Brassydoots Ok, not my kinda jam anymore, used to watch nuzlockes as a tiny lad, but! Maybe I'll revisit childhood habits again, who knows? Maybe I like it. Old habits die hard after all
@Brassydoots7 күн бұрын
@ hahaha like I said, no pressure! Just a series I’m proud of is all. You do you at the end of the day!
@DoctorPlink8 күн бұрын
This popped off, King 🤴. Always know you’re doing something right when people start throwing their bad takes at you. But yeah back in my day the villains were enslaving pokemon, causing some sort of serious geo-political chaos, or pouching them for profit. I’d love to have those days back 😌
@Brassydoots8 күн бұрын
@@DoctorPlink hahaha I’m used to the takes and insults at this point, I just have fun with them now 😅 hope we can get another big time villain in the future, I think there’s still a lot of unexplored opportunities there in Pokémon
@aurora_x868 күн бұрын
do we need real evil villains tho? like narratively theyre not more interesting imo. id you want them to be more intimidating to be cohesive with the gameplay they dont need to be evil. team rocket, magma/aqua, galactic, plasma, flare and skull were all plenty evil and never really felt that intimidating aside from maybe some of the boss characters, which is kinda how star feels to me? i just dont get the point here tbh
@Brassydoots8 күн бұрын
@@aurora_x86 my point more stems from the idea of having a true antagonistic force if that’s the route they’re going to go with a character. That doesn’t mean every villain has to be a turbo crazy world ending bad guy, but if someone is written as the villain of a story I want them to be interesting or have actually fleshed out motives. It’s what I loved about Cyrus in gen 4 and ghetsis in gen 5 because they made themselves more and more clear as the games progressed, and in turn the events unfolding based on their decisions felt like they had more weight to them. I personally like having antagonistic forces that add stakes to the games, so when there isn’t really one and some huge event happens seemingly out of nowhere to try and force those stakes on the player, it just feels shoehorned in. Idk, it’s all a preference thing at the end of the day, it’s one of the only things I found myself missing in most of scarlet and violet.
@aurora_x868 күн бұрын
@ thats fair. ive just never felt that pretty much any of the villains were very strongly written characters (partially excluding ghetsis) because they have like 0 dynamic with any of the protagonists. they all feel kinda forced and shoehorned to me for that reason
@Brassydoots8 күн бұрын
@ yeah I can certainly see that point for sure. I’d love for more villains to have a real back and forth dynamic with the protagonist beyond just telling them “I’m evil” and then fighting and doing that a bunch until the game is over hahaha. That’s part of what made Volo so appealing to me in legends arceus, would love to see that sort of dynamic expanded on even more!
@Gamesux4218 күн бұрын
This is such a dumbass opinion because like 90% of trainers you face arent villains in any game. Fighting a gym leader feels the same as a Team Admin and ones just a dude who hangs out in a building all day giving teenagers badges. If im playing pokemon, and they give me an opponent; i battle that opponent i dont give a shit if you wanna like steal pokemon or remove the ocean or whatever youre gonna get clapped the same way all the normie trainers along the way did.
@Brassydoots8 күн бұрын
@@Gamesux421 this is such a dumbass reply because like 90% of replies you read don’t call the harmless creator an idiot. Reading comments feels the same as chat messages live where people just sit on their keyboards and yap away. When I’m reading comments, I read them all either way. I don’t care if you want to call me an idiot or dumbass or whatever, I’ll give you your reply. They’ll all get read the same way either way. Do you see how shitty the energy in that sort of reply is? Hahaha it’s not that deep, was just sharing my thoughts with my chat having a conversation.
@DoctorPlink8 күн бұрын
You a bum
@not_umbre8 күн бұрын
Team flare: mass genocide Team skull: literally just a non threatening gang Chairman rose: I'm actually trying to do something good. Not that it's working, but. Team yell: fans Team star: bullies
@Brassydoots8 күн бұрын
@@not_umbre at least most of their music is good LOL. Some sort of solace with the fall off
@MrIcenice448 күн бұрын
Only if lower stakes
@an_mln8 күн бұрын
how tf Giovanni in S? his story like almost everything in gen 1 sucks ass lol
@Brassydoots8 күн бұрын
@@an_mln these are ranked based on their musical themes, not as overall villains. It should be linked to the full video!
@primordialsun8 күн бұрын
I was about to ask how Rose was A tier, but that would explain it
@Brassydoots8 күн бұрын
@ hahaha yeah as a villain he’s obviously nowhere near the top, but man does that theme go crazy!
@donavan.anderson.75219 күн бұрын
Need some rezero type vilain Honorable mention (volo) Man spawn satan himself and volo himself ignored the 6 pokemon per team rule
@Brassydoots8 күн бұрын
@@donavan.anderson.7521 yeah volo is really solid, loved his character arc!
@phoenixkarma95809 күн бұрын
Cyrus isn't evil? Tf you mean, he was genocidal bro, what is that ranking? Dude literally wanted to kill everyone in the UNIVERSE
@Brassydoots8 күн бұрын
Hey Phoenix, the tier list underneath was based on the evil leader themes, not how they are as overall villains or anything. Sorry if that was confusing! The full video is on my channel if you'd like to watch it, but yeah, this was just a conversation we had during a different activity haha
@demonic_myst45039 күн бұрын
“Real villain” pokemon billains are comicly stupidly evil to point its bad writing
@Brassydoots9 күн бұрын
@@demonic_myst4503 look I never said the writing for these evil villains was great or anything, I just want there to be a true villain again that I’m meant to hate. Ghetsis worked really well in that regard, where he was an interesting villain with clearly evil intentions that put the player in high stakes situations. More Ghetsis, less Chairman Roses haha
@kingdomofnerdz14979 күн бұрын
I agree. We haven't had an actual villain team since Gen VI. Team Skull was iconic, but they were just a group of punks. They weren't trying to destroy the world or wipe out all life. Bring back the true danger!
@pokefanmelody8 күн бұрын
the evil teams in gen 7 and 8 were the aether foundation and macro cosmos, and gen 9 tried to have a more nuanced story than one so simple as "good vs evil"
@pastabowl710 күн бұрын
Honestly I'd love to see a villian in the vain of Giovanni. Just having an actual mob boss instead of a villain of the week type villain is so much more interesting to me
@Brassydoots10 күн бұрын
@@pastabowl7 I agree! I love villains who can have a lot of secret pieces they’re in control of. Big world ending villains are neat too but you never know how far a lob boss’ reach actually is ya know?
@Gamesux4218 күн бұрын
D-do you know what "Villain of the week" means?
@puregaming200211 күн бұрын
I love that there’s a slight reference in the BBA theme to the original Unova E4 at the end
@Brassydoots11 күн бұрын
@@puregaming2002 SAME! BBA theme is so dope
@ukaszkucal555414 күн бұрын
i truly dislike gen 9 elite 4 song because of glitch i had on my first playthrough, this first part non stop is so awfull
@SeatigerGaming15 күн бұрын
What about ultra recon squad tho?
@Brassydoots15 күн бұрын
In hindsight, they probably would've fit best here, I just hadn't finished Ultra Sun/Moon so I wasn't sure how their story played out yet. I wouldn't quite consider them the same as the other Evil Team's grunts but idk what other list they'd fit on haha. Thanks for checking out the video!
@clottedfishd292817 күн бұрын
drampa is dragon normal :)
@Brassydoots17 күн бұрын
@@clottedfishd2928 TRUUUUUUUUE
@gigabyte342018 күн бұрын
Wow, how much of the Pokédex do you have memorized?
@Brassydoots18 күн бұрын
Too much of it man. Too much.
@DragonPanda417 күн бұрын
@@Brassydoots Which one do you think you think about the least?
@Brassydoots17 күн бұрын
@@DragonPanda4 like, which generation’s Pokédex? Definitely gen 6, I forget so many of those. Gen 8 as well but I feel like I remember a good chunk of those at least. Kalos mons are always tough for me to remember hahaha
@SimAbes20 күн бұрын
Cyrus' theme is probably the third time where I actually payed attention to video game OSTs in my young teenage life, for one simple reason actually: During the final battle at Spear Pillar, the bit from 9:15 to 9:27 synced up P E R F E C T L Y with his Weavile using Brick Break. I remember saying something along the lines of "Did he just Break the music in half?" as my Staraptor got crit and died. That moment always stuck with me and I've been a definite fan of video game OSTs ever since
@Brassydoots20 күн бұрын
@@SimAbes this is such a rad story, what an awesome moment to have experienced as a kid. It’s moments like those that make these songs mean so much more to us than we could ever fully explain with words. That’s the beauty of so much VGM and why almost any VGM track had SOMEONE out there who loves it to no end. Thank you for sharing this story!
@clichayed21 күн бұрын
Will you be doing a Battle facility boss fights tier list? (e.g. Hoenn and Sinnoh's frontier brain, Unova's battle subway etc.)
@Brassydoots21 күн бұрын
@@clichayed this is actually a great idea, I briefly thought about this idea a while ago but forgot how many battle facilities there really are haha. Definitely one I’ll look into at some point though!
@clichayed20 күн бұрын
@@Brassydoots Awesome :)
@DoctorPlink22 күн бұрын
I could kick Colonel Mustard’s wrinkly old ass
@coconut_tv056422 күн бұрын
Context for Rainbow rocket, they are from a parallel universe where they won. Henc y they sound happier/more oomphy. Also, Motherbeast is from Sun/Moon, nit the ultra games.
@Brassydoots21 күн бұрын
Good to know about the rainbow rocket stuff, thanks! That's super interesting actually, now I wanna see a game where the villains won and we have to make our way through a messed up world, that'd be so rad.
@kungfuzail23 күн бұрын
S tier tier list video doots!
@Brassydoots23 күн бұрын
@@kungfuzail hahaha thank you, glad you liked it!!
@Mr.Starlight_gaming24 күн бұрын
I really dont like this whole "it needs to be evil" bit. If the songs an S tier, its an S tier.
@Brassydoots23 күн бұрын
Yeah I get that, these rankings are never for everyone. Feel free to send me your tier list if you make one, show me how it's done!
@yuhboidev945724 күн бұрын
reading chat for this video hurts my soul especially with all the shade thrown at hg/ss
@Brassydoots24 күн бұрын
My chat likes to troll me for the things I like quite a bit, I wouldn't pay the on-screen chat too much serious attention hahaha. They know I love HG/SS and most of them do too, at least music-wise. Appreciate you checking out the vid regardless!
@PrototypeClovenhorn26 күн бұрын
Honestly, your take on the Motherbeast Lusamine (it's only in base Sun/moon btw) was refreshing. I never vibed with it, but it's because I felt like it took all the ideas from Lusamine's base theme and said "nah, alien", which is good don't get me wrong, but I personally never liked it. Hearing someone compliment it was new!
@Brassydoots26 күн бұрын
Hey thank you! I can definitely see why some people would not vibe with it as much, it's a bit out there as a theme, but man, that theme does a lot of good stuff for my brain haha. A handful of people have mentioned it was only in base S/M but I guess I just never heard it or forgot I did because it sounded brand new to me while doing this list. Either way, hope it was an enjoyable watch for you!
@IntertwiningRoses26 күн бұрын
I disagree about the Legends: Arceus Giratina one, but that's only cause hearing it in the moment makes it so much better than most songs on this list.
@Brassydoots26 күн бұрын
It is very cool in the moment that's for sure! That game's context adds a lot to the experience of the themes, but when ranking them isolated from the games, the Legends Arceus themes can be a bit hit or miss. If anything it's a testament to how well crafted that game was though, the themes work so well in almost every context within the game! Appreciate you checking this one out regardless!
@eejyool509926 күн бұрын
You're so good at doing these tier lists I swear. Next up: wild battle themes?
@Brassydoots26 күн бұрын
Hahaha thank you!! That one is definitely on my radar, I've got a couple that I'm deciding between currently so we'll see which one ends up being next!
@Level7skater27 күн бұрын
It really is a pity you hadn’t listened to the colress theme as much as you had the others and it wasn’t nostalgic for you, so I can understand your placement for you. But the more you listen to it I hope you’ll realise and change your mind that it is indeed in the top tier of all pokemon music and belongs in absolute banger
@Brassydoots27 күн бұрын
I don't deny it being a great song! My reasoning for it being lower on this list was very specific in the video so I think most people understood why I had it lower. There were a handful of themes that made it into the top tier that I hadn't even heard before, so nostalgia wasn't even necessary for those, they just fit this specific list super well. I was jamming out to the Colress theme, and if it was a differently themed list, I think it'd absolutely find its way into the highest of tiers. Thanks for checking this one out though, I appreciate it!
@Level7skater27 күн бұрын
Didn’t listen far enough into the dialga/palkia theme for the best part, disappointing :(
@Brassydoots27 күн бұрын
Hey Skater, I usually cut down the themes a bit so the videos don't end up getting crazy longer than they already are. I've listened to that theme MANY times all the way through so don't worry, I know what part you're talking about hahaha. Thanks for checking it out!
@KeelysMadd28 күн бұрын
Unc cooked tbh
@Brassydoots28 күн бұрын
@@KeelysMadd yeah they were really good with Michael Jordan back in the day man
@camz50129 күн бұрын
the mother beast theme is actually from the original sun and moon, because of story changes it never appears in the ultra games - lusamine is so obsessed with the ultra beasts she merges with a nihilego and fights you, overall with a somber theme because she's literally turned into a monster in front of you and her own children, shown by the eerie warping of the theme. honestly fits the tone of the scene and fight
@camz50129 күн бұрын
colress is definitely interesting with the theme, he is the "leader" for team plasma while ghetsis gathers himself to get back into position and while you fight colress a few times (first at castellia), he has the normal trainer theme until you meet him at the frigate. the theme overall is unique with the electro sounds and counting in the background (interesting fact, you can refight him at the frigate by surfing away from the bw1 starting town and he'll fight you once per season. you can also get genesect in that area too)
@Brassydoots29 күн бұрын
@@camz501 I never knew you could re-fight colress, I’ll have to do that sometime! I loved his theme so it’d be cool to hear it in-game again!
@charlotte_L_pichu29 күн бұрын
i would dissagree on some but over all amazing tier list
@Brassydoots29 күн бұрын
@@charlotte_L_pichu there are always at least a few differing opinions with these, and that’d okay! I appreciate you checking this out, hope it was a fun watch!
@eejyool509929 күн бұрын
Man I really dislike BDSP music
@Brassydoots29 күн бұрын
@@eejyool5099 those games have a handful of nice tracks but yeah, overall pretty rough stuff.
@eejyool509929 күн бұрын
@@Brassydoots i always say that Legends Arceus is the real remake. The majority of those remade tracks are even better than the originals imo
@redkingdom1529 күн бұрын
I found this video and channel by accident and it was such a great accident. I loved this video man! I plan on catching up to more of your tier lists!
@Brassydoots29 күн бұрын
@@redkingdom15 hey thank you so much! I’m glad you’ve enjoyed my work so far, plenty of other tierlists and Pokémon videos to check out if you’d like, and more to come as well!
@truegreen7Ай бұрын
Only time I'm happy someone didn't beat USUM cause we got to see your fresh reaction to the late game themes.
@BrassydootsАй бұрын
@@truegreen7 hahaha thanks man! That morherbeast theme is legitimately one of the coolest surprises I’ve ever run into while doing one of these lists, just an incredible theme. The only reason I never got around to finishing the game was because a buddy and I were doing a Nuzlocke in it years ago and his life got too busy to be able to finish it, so I’ve never gotten around to beating it on my own. I think that’s gonna change pretty soon though with some plans I have so we’ll see how that goes. Always great to see you here man, hope all is well!
@goldendarius9 күн бұрын
@@Brassydoots I really don't want to spoil you ultra sun and ultra moon's plot, but the themes for the evil guys all sound techno due to the context they appear in. You will probably change mind once you play the game and see what happens when they get involved
@dominickpursino2778Ай бұрын
Cryus' Theme is a banger
@BrassydootsАй бұрын
@@dominickpursino2778 his original theme goes so hard, it’s wild. Love that one!
@favnaАй бұрын
Putting Ghetsis in absolute banger is a clear sign of a secret lizard trumpet oligarchy existing between Brassydoots and his Twitch chat and we as the true and loyal KZbin crowd should strive to take down this conspiracy from the outside.
@BrassydootsАй бұрын
@@favna well now that you figured out my master plan…you must be silenced… Mods get this guy
@ericeasley7633Ай бұрын
Smash Bros Ultimate made a remix of the Sun/Moon Elite 4 theme that goes absolutely crazy. It fills in the parts the 3ds couldn't quite do justice. It also has some of the Solgaleo/Lunala theme in it, which mixed in quite well. My only complaint is it loops in kind of a weird way
@BrassydootsАй бұрын
@@ericeasley7633 I know exactly which remix you’re talking about, and it is very good! I kinda have the same feelings about how it loops too, was always a bit jarring to hear in longer matches, but definitely still a fun listen!
@wardious2562Ай бұрын
Great video but Penny above Colress is grounds for ostracism
@BrassydootsАй бұрын
@@wardious2562 LMAO a lot of people have seemed to live the colress theme and rightfully so! It’s a super vibey theme, the Penny theme has just always gotten me going like that in the video. Hasn’t heard the colress one for a while before making this vid so I’d forgotten how great of a theme it was, if it wasn’t on an “evil team leader” list it’d probably be higher up for sure. Appreciate you checking this one out!!
@wardious2562Ай бұрын
Chairman Rose is like the worst villain in the series but has like the fourth best theme lmao
@BrassydootsАй бұрын
@@wardious2562 it’s wild haha, his theme goes crazy hard but his character definitely doesn’t follow it up at all 😅
@KeylamPMDАй бұрын
Ghetsis Theme from BW is so underrated
@BrassydootsАй бұрын
@@KeylamPMD it’s so iconic, my brain immediately goes to that one and I didn’t even grow up with it!
@afhuntsАй бұрын
been waiting on this one for a while. love your stuff as always!
@BrassydootsАй бұрын
@@afhunts that’s very kind of you, thank you! Hope this one was an enjoyable watch!
@ExecutiveSondaАй бұрын
Very much respect for your Giovanni USUM theme rank placement. The combination of TR battle theme, encounter theme and hideout theme works great. Also Giovanni's USUM encounter theme goes incredibly hard.
@BrassydootsАй бұрын
@@ExecutiveSonda thank you! It was the first time I’d heard it and man, it was so cool! The fact it included all the various team rocket motifs so easily in the flow of the song was so sick. I’ll have to look up his encounter theme too!
@ZarcusConcordАй бұрын
1:06:04 this one sound more like a dragon ball theme then a Pokémon theme or is that just me
@BrassydootsАй бұрын
@@ZarcusConcord that’s actually exactly what my older brother said too hahaha. That whole breakdown sounds very much like a dragon ball fighting theme, which might be why I enjoy it so much! 😂