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@DanielSolis Күн бұрын
Half of Adrian Tchaikovsky's Children of Time features a starship that is unintentionally forced to be a generation ship, despite not being designed for that purpose. The protagonist goes through long periods of hibernation, each time waking up to find himself in a new era of the ship's ongoing culture.
@SciFiScavenger Күн бұрын
Yes that's true! I always think of that book as mainly about the Spiders 🕷cheers Daniel, thanks for watching 👀!
@fenman1954 Күн бұрын
The image on page 113 i have as a limited edition print, Chris Foss art work is very sought after with only 100 of each released all signed and numbered.
@SciFiScavenger Күн бұрын
Oh very nice!! I'd love some original art. Or I would if I had any wall space that wasn't already covered in bookshelves! Thanks for watching 👀!
@fenman1954 Күн бұрын
@@SciFiScavenger I have two of Chris Foss books,Hardware and Diary of a Space person. He also did the artwork for The Joy of Sex.
@SciFiScavenger Күн бұрын
Yes, I'd heard that! No spaceships in that one.
@chevalierdulys Күн бұрын
Hmm i read almost all of them except ken and kim. Please check ship of fools by richard paul russo (so far i didn't see you mentioned it) Okay you mention it lol. Oh well :)
@SciFiScavenger Күн бұрын
Definitely give Aurora a go, worth your while. Thanks for watching 👀!
@OmnivorousReader 2 күн бұрын
Mayflies by Kevin O'Donnell Jr. Is my favourite generation ship novel. I think it might have been the first of this theme I read. Might be time for a re-read and review since no one much seems to be taking about it. I do kind of want to read/ re read that Delaney though.
@SciFiScavenger Күн бұрын
Interesting, that's not one I've heard of before, every day is a school day! Cheers Deb, thanks for watching 👀!
@seaninflorida9741 2 күн бұрын
Great list, but consider including Gene Wolfe's Books of the Long Sun.
@SciFiScavenger Күн бұрын
Yes, good shout. I decided not to include it as I was wary of trying to summarise several Gene Wolfe books in a couple of hundred words! Thanks for watching 👀!
@stevezeidman7224 2 күн бұрын
Enjoyed your video. Newer subscriber and a fan. How about Cities in Flight and Tau Zero. Truly can’t remember if they both qualify as true generation books.
@SciFiScavenger 2 күн бұрын
Yay! Hi Steve, thanks for the sub. Tau Zero isn't a generation ship I don't think, but Cities in Flight is a good shout, different sort of generation ship maybe. Altho don't the cities have FTL? Anyway, tha ks for watching 👀!
@stevezeidman7224 2 күн бұрын
Honestly don’t remember if the Cities had FTL. I read that book in the 70s when I was in my twenties so it’s a long way to page in. 😂 I do remember it was written by Blish who did the Star Trek adaptations. The rock band called Boston used the Cities In Flight with them shaped like a guitar as their logo. I thought it was very clever.
@kid5Media 2 күн бұрын
Aurora pretty much puts paid to generation ships. There is no plan(et) B.
@SciFiScavenger 2 күн бұрын
Indeed, I think that was exactly his point. Thanks for watching 👀!
@TuftyMcTavish 2 күн бұрын
This is a great sub-genre. I own a handful of these books, but I’ve only read “Unto Leviathan” so far. I remember really enjoying that one, but that read pre-dates when I started jotting down notes in 2009 when I joined GR.
@SciFiScavenger 2 күн бұрын
Time to get stuck in then! There's a few I'd like to read as well. Thanks for watching 👀!
@SlowDazzle11 2 күн бұрын
"Non-Stop" has always been my favourite GS book. I've still got my copy signed by the man himself. I'd like to read "Aurora" as it might be more manageable than his Mars trilogy. Oh God, Greg Bear has done a GS novel. Doubtless it consists of relentless science lectures to all the crew! Don't forget short stories like Ballard's "Thirteen to Centaurus" which is a GS with a twist. Great video as usual.
@SciFiScavenger 2 күн бұрын
Hi David, Aurora is interesting for sure, I'll be interested to hear how you get on with the ending. Cool to have a signed edition of n Non-Stop! Thanks for watching 👀!
@SlowDazzle11 2 күн бұрын
@@SciFiScavenger Thanks. I just realised I'd confused Greg Bear with Greg Egan. It's GE who likes the science lectures if "Incandescence" is anything to go by.
@SciFiScavenger 2 күн бұрын
Greg Egan certainly skews heavily to the science end of science fiction!
@stpnwlf9 2 күн бұрын
I read Rogue Moon some years back - the book was written in 1961 - and it is an excellent and gripping tale and it is worth noting that Budrys invented the transporter years before Star Trek :-). I read Roadside Picnic more recently and am a big admirer of the Strugatsky brothers. But 'A Fire Upon the Deep' is one of the more amazing books I've read from a conceptual level. Definitely stretches your brain muscles.
@SciFiScavenger 2 күн бұрын
AFUTD is great, really loved it on reading last year, might well have found a place in my top 10. Thanks for watching 👀 !
@secretsauceofstorycraft 2 күн бұрын
Thinking about reading lots of these…. Which would u recommend most for me??
@SciFiScavenger 2 күн бұрын
Aurora perhaps? I like the sound of the Heinlein and the Aldiss, both quick reads and classics of this particular corner of science fiction. Ship of Fools sounds good too. Thanks for watching 👀!
@kid5Media 3 күн бұрын
Couldn't disagree more with you about Lord of Light. I'll add five stars to your rating.
@SciFiScavenger 2 күн бұрын
Did I fail an SF exam? 😀 it didn't work for me, unfortunately. Like I said, I think, I'll probably give it another go at some point. Thanks for watching 👀!
@jpotter2086 3 күн бұрын
I recently read Poul Anderson's *Tau Zero* ... a short book, but hair-risng and mind-blowing.
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Yes I read that earlier this year I think, I enjoyed it. Thanks for watching 👀!
@SixStringSamur4i 3 күн бұрын
I always thought that Generation Ship tropes were not my cup of tea … and I ended up adding two books of this video to my TBR 😉
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
My work here is done! Cheers Michael, thanks for watching 👀!
@woolybooger7770 3 күн бұрын
Fantastic video on a subject of great interest to me at this time. Currently getting ready to reread Orphans of the Sky by Heinlein. Just acquired a new subscriber good sir. Thanks also to the other recommendations buy fellow commenters.
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Nice! Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the sub, plenty more to whet your whistle in the back catalog. Thanks for watching 👀!
@miljenkoskreblin165 3 күн бұрын
Concernig Baxter's Ark, there is also a collection of three novellas that chronicles what happens on Earth 1,2, and 3. It's called Landfall, it's terrific. To further praise Baxter, while technically a novella, his brilliant Mayflower II should also be included. Great video.
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Hiya, oh interesting, I'll look out for that. I've started making enquiries about having a chat with Stephen, but no response so far. Thanks for watching 👀!
@ashradiohead1 3 күн бұрын
Good Video. I have a few of these added to my tbr. I have read Non-Stop and loved it.
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Awesome, cheers Ash, thanks for watching 👀!
@bookswithabel 3 күн бұрын
Great list!
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Cool, thanks Abel, and thanks for watching 👀!
@mairianncullen8753 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for this. I'm Scottish but, somehow, had managed to miss Gary Gibson's work - now added to my list. Big fan of Ken MacLeod, and enjoy some of Iain and Iain M Banks's work. Glad you highlighted Martin MacInnes too and, wow, Naomi Mitchison - I'm going off to look for Memoirs of a Spacewoman.
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
I read In Ascension recently, enjoyed it very much, and I hear that Gathering Evidence is even better. Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching 👀!
@Justin-ee3im 3 күн бұрын
Come now, we all know that space is fake and gay. Thanks for the recommendations though
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
It's what now??
@mushreemman Күн бұрын
4chan ahh thing to say
@pauljazzman408 3 күн бұрын
Great stuff. I have read some generation ship stories including hull zero three (dnf) they all seem a bit depressingly in the same vein as they highlight the very real problems with generation ships as a concept. Brian Aldiss's book Nonstop was apparently inspiration for Space 1999 ‘Mission of the Darians’ Where Moon base Alpha meets a failed generation ship who had fallen into chaos
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Hi Paul, yep, we'd better get busy working on FTL, or maybe some of that hypersleep tech! Thanks for watching 👀!
@pauljazzman408 3 күн бұрын
Yes FTL except it’s impossible, short of a major change in physics.
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, and all that. (But yes, my degree was in physics, ftl seems highly improbable.)
@waltera13 3 күн бұрын
I love how you organize your book videos into themes. It's so useful to compare similar settings and plots. It may be hard to justify in a scholastic setting, (imagine writing up the syllabus and having to pick from the book list) but it's a really useful way to group them in your head. You've really put the time and work into reading the texts so that you can do these videos. That rocks.
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Hi Walter, I enjoy doing the research for these videos (I haven't read all of them, btw, or not yet) and it's fun to group them, as you say. Thanks for watching 👀!
@waltera13 3 күн бұрын
@@SciFiScavenger phew! You were making me feel like quite the lay about, glad to know that maybe you haven't gotten to *all* of them yet. If you enjoy the grouping, a weird one got caught in my head because of the Outlaw Bookseller. . . "Snowball planet" stories (which, I know, sounds like a very limited appeal pulp from the 30s) would be great, because who thinks of grouping them? I mean, I think Steve grouped three or four in one video, but I mean a more comprehensive list. I mean, as long as you're having fun compiling them. . .
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Funnily enough I have been thinking about a "cold" themed video. I can think of a few right off the bat. Back burner for now, but may well make an appearance at some point. 👍
@inocanandrei6950 3 күн бұрын
Wow, amazing, I love the video, thanks for your research and sharing
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! cheers Andrei, thanks for watching 👀!
@PeterKerans-h6z 4 күн бұрын
A couple of others that come to mind are Frank M Robinson’s The Dark Beyond The Stars, and Alexei Panshin’s Rite of Passage, both enjoyable and well regarded novels. Great video, thanks.
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Hi Peter, good tips, thank you, and thanks for watching 👀!
@garrybeck216 4 күн бұрын
Rogue Ship by A E Van Vogt
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Great, thanks for watching 👀!
@TranquilaMare 4 күн бұрын
Good content even though I have never been a fan of generation ship books just because they tend to deal with infighting and politics within the ship as a main part of the story as opposed to a secondary part of the plot. You read one and you basically get the gist of all the rest. Sounds like Learning the World, The Ballad of Beta 2 and Ship of Fools provide more than just the drama on the ship though. Might give those a try.
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Yes they sound interesting. Thanks for watching 👀!
@ronin47-ThorstenFrank 4 күн бұрын
Great video, as always, Jon! TBH, I don´t like the generation ship topic much. My favourite books are Delany´s The Ballad of Beta 2 and KSR´s Aurora. The latters extremely depressing (but very realistic) ending is the reason I don´t like the topic very much. Delany´s entry is another reason and one of my favourite stories on the topic is a German short story (Generation ship is reaching it´s destination which is already settled by humans that reached FTL a decade after the original mission launched - and it, too, has a partly depressing end). One interesting book in that regard is Starship Century, which is a combination of short stories and scientific essays which has a few entries on the topic. Another interesting science/fiction combo is The Protoss Mandate by Nick Kansas (also a fave of mine). I was also surprised that you didn´t include E.C. Tubbs The Spaceborn because it´s another relatively well-known novelette. Have a good week!
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
Yes Aurora's ending is a bit of a downer! Cheers Thorsten, thanks for watching 👀!
@andrewseary 4 сағат бұрын
A.E. Van Vogt wrote "Far Centaurus" about a "generation" ship (actually crew took a sleep drug) that took hundreds of years to reach Centaurus, only to find an FTL civilization already there. It was a short story in Astounding and was cribbed by EC's Weird Fantasy as "The Long Trip". BTW your book descriptions are always both informative and enjoyable!
@leelack9691 4 күн бұрын
Great list, Thanks. Just finished and enjoyed Generation Ship, which I thought was really good but felt the characters could have been developed a bit more. Loved Captive Universe and Hull Zero Three but will definitely look at some of the others mentioned here. This is a great sci-fi sub genre.
@SciFiScavenger 3 күн бұрын
I thought the ending to Generation Ship was very abrupt, I'd have liked more interactions on the planet. Cheers Lee, thanks for watching 👀!
@luiznogueira1579 4 күн бұрын
Great video, Jon! You really covered all the significant novels that are based on the generation ship idea. Was happy to see you didn't leave out Harry Harrison's Captive Universe! It has a unique take with the Aztec setup, imo. But I honestly can't figure out the reason for the "AZTECS IN SPACE!' sound effect...wtf?
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
I was referring back to my youth, from the sound of it to entirely my own amusement..from the muppet show "muppets iiiin spaaace!". I guess that didn't work out... Cheers Luiz, thanks for watching 👀!
@luiznogueira1579 4 күн бұрын
@@SciFiScavenger Oh, ok, I get It now, Jon. Thanks! I missed out on the whole Muppets thing, I'm afraid.
@bazoo513 4 күн бұрын
As an antidote to these mostly grim stories, _Record of a Spaceborn Few,_ is much more optimistic, as one would expect from Becky Chambers. While the story does take place on a generation ship from Earth's "Exodus Fleet", the crew is no longer isolated; the fleet encountered wider galactic civilization, and some humans participate in it, as described in other works of_Wayfarers_ series. However, the society on the ship is still pretty much self-contained (but the story also features an immigrant.)
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Yes, I nearly included that one, I read it a couple of months ago. Didn't enjoy it as much as the other two. I did like the society aspects on the ship. Thanks for watching 👀!
@bazoo513 4 күн бұрын
@@SciFiScavenger Yup, same here. But there are three others in the series, plus a novella.
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Yes that's right, I've read the other first three now
@User_Un_Friendly 4 күн бұрын
Is Ark by Baxter really a generation ship novel? You've said the journey only took 9 years... 😮 Songs of Distant Earth is a Generation Ship novel, a Star Seeding novel, and Lifeboat from a destroyed Earth novel. Sun is expected to go Nova in 3600 AD. Ships carrying human embryos with robot nannies are sent out. (Star Seeding) One such successful colony encounters the last Lifeboat from Earth, a Generation Ship that will have profound implications to the laid back, relaxed life on the planet. The ship is there to replace the Ice Shield on the front of the ship, which is used to keep the ship intact while traveling near Relativistic speeds. Lots of ideas crammed in by Clarke, certainly one of his more readable books. 👍 Good video, Jon. While not a genre I've much interest in, it's certainly nice to hear about books I might one day develop a desire to check out. 😉🐶😛
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Let's not let facts get in the way of a good story! 😀 yes you're right, 9 years is hardly multiple generations, but as I hinted they do go on from there. I think I moght have read that Clarke book. I certainly have a copy of it somewhere. Thanks for watching 👀!
@miljenkoskreblin165 3 күн бұрын
Actually the journey in Baxter's novel last for forty years.
@dansmith3085 4 күн бұрын
I think I've read about generation ship stories more than reading the actual stories themselves. I have generally leaned toward more pulpy adventure stories over the years and that sort of thing usually handwaves away interstellar travel times.
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Yes, much easier that way! You might enjoy the Heinlein and the Harrison which are closer to the pulpy end of the spectrum perhaps. Cheers Dan, thanks for watching 👀!
@vladimircar 4 күн бұрын
Only generation ship novels I would add to this list are Gene Wolfe's Long Sun quartet.. Great video BTW, good coverage of important SF..👍
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Ooh yes good shout!! Thanks for watching 👀!
@lukewinch7928 4 күн бұрын
First time watcher and new sub for you! Tchaikovsky is fast becoming one of my favourite sci-fi authors and Dogs of War is on my tbr next month. I recently finished his Shards of Earth and loved it. In a similar vein to Becky Chambers, you might like to try Frontier by Grace Curtis. It's an apocalyptic, climate change love story. Trust me. It's great. My current read is Peter F Hamilton's Great North Road. At 1000+ pages, I'm taking my time with this one.
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Hi Luke, welcome! Dogs of War os great! Good dog! I read GNR earlier this year and enjoyed it a lot. I did find the various North clones a bit hard to keep track of. Thanks for watching 👀!
@TheAnarchitek 4 күн бұрын
I started a "generation ship" novel long ago, assuming a body of 45,000 souls, 90% in stasis, at any time, with 5,000 "refreshed", to run the ship for their lifetimes, having children, who are put in stasis when they reach adulthood (or late teens), on a voyage expected to last more than 500 years. When one group passes on, another is refreshed, taking up the reins. This ensures a live human oversight for any emergencies along the way, and prevents the dangers of long-term storage debilitating the "cargo". I still have a few hundred pages somewhere (I hope). I often wonder if humans didn't arrive on Earth by such a means, displacing the Neanderthals. Cro-Magnons might have been a result of interbreeding, and the variations in human reflecting the areas settled by the newcomers, Asians, Indians, Africans, Natives in North and South America, and the Europeans. Of course, newer discoveries in the spread of humans made this thesis unworkable, as the spread of PIE peoples literally seeded the world.
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Ah very cool! Great to have someone recommend their own book to fit the theme of the day. You best hurry up and finish it! 📚😀👍 Thanks for watching 👀!
@TheAnarchitek 4 күн бұрын
@@SciFiScavenger No, I gave it up long ago. I spent 2008-2010, or so, writing it, but I didn't like where the story was taking me. I write a lot, but, too often, I let the story go, because I "know where it will end up", and it loses immediacy. I've been writing since I was 10, have a few dozen lengthy opuses (opi?) I've let go of. I'm working on a non-fiction narrative of the period between the Flood of Noah/Gilgamesh, and Homer's Troy, a 1,700-year-long nightmare for humans, and source of more confusion about the ancient past than anything else. I have around a thousand pages, plus charts, maps, photos. I need an editor, but I think I'd like to make a video, because it is a graphic storyline, and prose is too slow. I have drawing for my "generation ship", story, too. I was so enamored of it, I tried to solicit political support for the idea, but no one wants to talk about science ideas, when the current drama is so riveting, and, "engrossing"! There has never been anything as gross as the Dingbat and his minions, in my opinion.
@SoulsJourney 4 күн бұрын
I haven't read any of these, but Baxter's "Ring" centers on a generational ship. Also John Brunner's "A Maze of Stars", although that deals more with the human colonies delivered via the ship, and to a lesser degree "The Boat of a Million Years" by Poul Anderson (the ship doesn't appear until very late in the novel). Obviously a genre I enjoy, so thanks for mentioning all these books! I'll definitely be adding most, if not all, to my TBR list.
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Oh great, glad to have introduced you to a few books! Thanks for the tips, and thanks for watching 👀!
@TheEricthefruitbat 4 күн бұрын
I haven't read any generational ship books, but one of my favourite TV series was the oft-maligned "The Starlost", about such a ship which has had an accident which destroyed the people who operated the ship (leaving only unsuspecting, unknowing groups in many pods). Reviled, but beloved by me.
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Sounds like fun Eric, thanks for watching 👀!
@luiznogueira1579 4 күн бұрын
I was also a Starlost fan! Despite its threadbare budget, the story fascinated me back in the 70's---I was always a sucker for the generation ship trope. Worse than the bad FX was Keir Dullea's ridiculous moustache😂 The series was based on a Harlan Ellison book, but, of course, he got into a fight with the producers, sued everyone, etc.
@TheEricthefruitbat 4 күн бұрын
@@luiznogueira1579 Harlan hated the show, and basically separated himself from it.
@luiznogueira1579 4 күн бұрын
@@TheEricthefruitbat Same old Harlan...
@pipe2devnull 3 күн бұрын
My-Lambda 165: Can I be of assistance?
@Montie-Adkins 4 күн бұрын
I've only read Hull Zero Three of this bunch, had bought it on impulse, and enjoyed it.
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Cheers Montie , thanks for watching 👀!
@gedren_y8775 4 күн бұрын
The standalone Alan Dean Foster novel Quozl begins on a generation ship near the end of its journey, but the crew are aliens, the Quozl. Their destination, a planet they are calling Shiraz, but they are soon to find that it is already inhabited by us. Not us now (or 1989, when it was published), but some time during one of the world wars (before broadcast television).
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
Ah, sounds like the MacLeod book in reverse! Thanks for watching 👀!
@SciFiScavenger 4 күн бұрын
I hope you enjoy this video, and my thanks to everyone that suggested a book I might include in this video. For more like this one, I encourage you to have a delve into this playlist which contains all my list and thematic videos. kzbin.info/aero/PLXv18KNFYD7T4K6h9jhNtzcUeYYWLOuZy&si=kTJ3IakIndHG6LdK