Pump more

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand. If I ride too high I absolutely breach. In the scenes where I'm riding high and don't breach it is simply because I didn't ride too high where breaching would happen. Do you have a 28" or 32" mast?

Pump what more? The board? It's an efoil, pumping does nothing.

@VerdantRide I ride a Foil inc board 28 inch mast with an armstrong wing setup 1550/220glide ride about 16 to 18mph Just trying to see best way to judge your height on the water

Thanks. I'm glad to be a benefit to my audience.

They are fishing shirts, so the hook is kinda their thing. It would be awesome if they made a VR shirt.

I've got very limited experience with HA. More for wave riding than carving IMO.

I love my 36 Glide. It is very very smooth and my favorite pair with both the 160 Camber Pro and 100 Surf V2 specifically for freestyle carving. I have learned to control the 32 Glide (seriously gonna start calling it the "32 S-Glide") and when paired with my 100 Surf V2, I'm nailing the course much tighter and faster than any other wing combo I've tried. So I rank the combos as A. 160 CamberPro/36Glide = Highest G-Force deep banking carves (most smooth and consistent high-speed carves but must maintain momentum due to high drag of the camber) B. 100 SurfV2/36Glide = Most fun and versatile freestyle carver (allows for more variation of speed and maneuvers than all other combos) C. 100SufV2/32S-Glide = Most technically accurate at high speed slalom maneuvers (very digital banking, very limited operable speed tolerance, dropping below about 15mph results in stall, so only useful for racing) These findings are only my own observations based on my riding style, body weight, gravitation forces on my like, etc.Duh! You have a battery that doesn't fit in your freak'n board??? WTF??? - I don't understand. All their batteries are standard size are they not?

@@VerdantRideapparently they had some batteries come out a few mm to tall. So it hits the top of the hatch when closing and doesn’t allow a proper seal. They gave me 2 options - 1- a new battery or 2- a new seal. In order to get a new battery I would have to show them me exposing of old one by removing gasket and dunking in water. So I went with the new seal that is slightly taller. I haven’t installed it yet as instead I put 1/16in foam tape on the hatch and it now has been bone dry last few rides. Weird issue but they were really quick to respond and get a solution. They already had this taller seal tape (it’s barely taller maybe 1/32in) and said it is a known manufacturing issue that happens sometimes. So anytime someone says their hatch is getting a lot of water see if they are getting battery marks on the hatch lid from pressing into the battery. That’s where I found out my issue. Thanks for the feedback on the wings really appreciate it! 😊

@@ScarBear828 Whoa! I would have demanded a new battery. That type of manufacturing defect just isn't acceptable.

Nope… Always been on Lift. I too would like to make a direct comparison with comparable models.

I swear I'm having trouble detecting sarcasm. I know you must be being facetious. I've ridden Fliteboards. I thought they were pretty quiet. Maybe not as quite as my Lift4 Pro, but certainly no saw, skilled or not. Are you a shill? I'm only asking because nobody who admits to liking the Lift logo can be truly unbiased.

​@@VerdantRide Lift Logo just looks cheap and tacky and disagree about the loudness of flite board, to me they are not as loud as a skill saw and actually the noise is not a problem at all for me. But to each their own, I think if you are from Puerto Rico you probably have some loyalty to lift and I can understand that.

@@VerdantRide Okay Okay, I'm definitely not a shill but I really want to see Lift come out on top. I'm addicted to efoiling and when on, their setup is amazing. The Fliteboard I rode was very loud maybe it was due to a service issue or something I don't know. I do like Lifts logo though. Their outstanding customer service is the reason I'm staying with them for now. I also agree about the trigger. I ride without the governor and like the feather ability.

@@perdidomar At least on the Fliteboards I've ridden, they didn't at all seem loud. They have a slightly higher pitched whine than Lift that is very hard to hear once the wind starts blowing past your years. I'm sure that the sound is very different depending on what propulsion method you use, board size, and wing and other factors so maybe that is why we had such different experiences. I guess I don't care who comes out on top. I think there's room for both companies to compete with each other. Right now I'm mostly worried that interest in eFoiling will start to drop off before it has a chance to mature. We're the early adopters. We're the guys who get it well before the companies figured out how to position their product for mass appeal. If it doesn't take off this could go the way of the Amiga, the Wetbike, or the Beta Cassette

When did you last contact them? I know they are a bit slow with first response but once in the system they resolve issues pretty quickly in my experience. Keep us updated.

Been a few weeks now. I’m still using the loaner battery and bought a lite battery as well.

@@carlmast7642 You bought a lite battery? Can you still return it? Even Lift seems to have realized they were a shit idea.

Yes - I have a full range and a Lite battery. Works well for me.

What is your favorite style of message delivery?

@@VerdantRide lol, not sure what he means by that, he is watching your channel after all.

On it. What's your favorite print on demand company? I'll set up some shirts and stickers and stuff!

@@VerdantRideI’d be in for a Verdant Ride shirt when you get a merch shop going.

@@JKW1962 Ok. I'll get to work on selecting a PoD service for some merch.

Have they changed their documentation regarding the warranty? The copy I have doesn't contain any language that says anything remotely similar to, "We'll train you to be an authorized Flite technician capable of maintaining the board and fulfilling all warranty requirements." Can you share the actual documentation that ships with the board regarding the owner's requirements to ensure the warranty will be honored when needed over the first 2 years?

@@VerdantRide as a certified Flite service center and partner I know for a fact Flite does this. As far as documents go I’m not sure. Flite is very supportive of their customers. I’ve witnessed nothing but excellent service with warranties and service. Service is required every 100 hours on the series 3 to maintain the 2 year warranty. After 2 years, you should still service the board every 100 hours to keep it working. Think of Flite like a high end sports car. Gotta take care of it to get the top performance. Down to have a conversation with you and go over things

@@_JustinChait_ You know I respect your knowledge of Flite and the sport of efoiling, but I don't know how to properly handle this as an unbiased efoil news/review source. I hear and believe that you've witnessed Flite taking phenomenal care of their customers, but I'd like to see in writing from the company that I can use as an assurance to my audience that if they buy one and live in some remote location, they won't be needing to drive their board 7 hours to the nearest service center, or shipping their components back and forth with insurance every 100 hours use. I gotta say. I don't love that Flite is so complex that intricate maintenance is required at such regular intervals. Is it seriously every 12 months or every 100 hours, whichever comes first? That means I'd need to send in my board every 33.3 days. That means I'd be without my Flite board thrice in a single summer. That would make it the most high maintenance product I've ever owned and that is just not sustainable. I prefer Lift's method of replacing 1 of 4 major parts that anyone can install quickly to restore function to nearly any problem the board might have. In my experience, every likely problem any Lift board might have can be solved by replacing either the, mast/motor, battery, eBox, or controller. I don't need to send in my gear, I just swap it out with new gear and that is fast, painless, and affordable. If you've got contacts with officials at Flite, I'd love to interview them.

@@VerdantRide the service is pretty simple however requires a bit of triaining… if details are missed it could cause issues. Just imagine 11000 boards on the market with untrained servicemen. Doesn’t make sense. What you’re getting from Flite is a bomb proof design that works flawlessly as long as you take care of it. Lift imo is a basic engineered efoil. No different than a diy efoil, just with some nice finishes. Flite on the other hand will literally run forever as long as the seals, oil and bearings are replace regularly. Jet skis require service every 50-100 hours and so do most boats. Because you live in a remote location you would be a candidate for training and be able to order your own parts and do the maintenance yourself. Every ev needs maintenance. The reality is you can go a long time before noticing any wear and tear. By the time you do notice wear in an ev,it’s too late. One ride on my ultra and you’d be smiling ear to ear ready to learn how to work on a Flite 😉

Branding can always be changed. They could also brand their eFoil lines separately from their Foilboards, and their company in general. Logos can be changed at the will of the company and if properly launched, it can be done successfully. Most companies update their branding with reasonable regularity to remain current. If you make a logo that could be confused with a mega-church, it can be off-putting to those who may wish to communicate to others, "I'm into this awesome emerging sport and this is the brand I ride, but don't want to be confused for a religious zealot." Their font is the cursive version of Comic Sans and it reeks of all the signs associated with an immature designer. This logo needs to change and it isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of putting it in front of a focus group and finding out if it helps promote or confuse the product identity and company values. The Lift logo lacks cool, and cool is needed if you want your customer base to promote your brand.

@@VerdantRide I concede you are right but the Brand Logo is the least important factor to me but maybe im biased because I actually like the logo? Id rather focus on all the other points and specifically a lime green innovation instead of a v5 isnt going to cut it against Fliteboards pace and apparent hunger in this space.

@@SurferBobbyLew I'm good enough at multi-tasking to handle multiple topics simultaneously. The logo is one of the things that matter and if it didn't matter, companies wouldn't spend 10s of thousands of dollars designing and ensuring they are aligned across all business channels. I don't know what you are referencing when you say, "v5/lime green…" As far as I can tell, there is no v5 in any color.

@@VerdantRide I know you are an incredible multitasker but was hoping could align focus the message to the recipient Lift that does not have infinite resources multi tasking and ability to equally do everything perfectly like yourself. I love their logo, and hate flites, but it meant so little to me that I simply wanted to concede this trivial aspect relative to the other principal factors you brought up that will bring down Lift. Otherwise we are arguing about very subjective tastes that arent that important to kicking ass, and ripping it up and actually having a great experience with the product. Also YES the v5 does not exist it was again facetious, sarcasm at Lifts recent major announcement of a lime green board (v4) instead of a v5 to keep pace with Flite. I have been playfully referring to it as a v5. Points we can all agree on: 1) Lift continues their legendary reputation of good faith which means when you F up you own it always. Be totally transparent with customers this includes point in your video if valid and my person want release the troubleshoot codes!! 2) Better marketing examples of their product uses. The highlight for me isnt walking down to the beach carrying it as you pointed out. Sponsor local events at major lakes. Im the efoiler on Lake Allatoona, im repping for you Lift everyday in every conservation daily on the water for free because I believe in you and want you to succeed. It would great if you could sponsor some local events or help me do that for you. Right now I literally give lessons for free to interested people because humans are awesome! 3) You either need to keep pace with flite from an innovation perspective or you need to take the v4 and make it bulletproof. Id buy a model T over newer and shinier if I knew it was bulletproof and trouble free forever. Maybe do both would be even better.

@@SurferBobbyLew Sounds good to me. Still, I'll probably keep tell them to get a new logo.

Your comment is lost on me. I have zero knowledge of reality programming because me too smart to watch unscripted programming.

Glad you like them!

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Whoa! Stay well man! Are you comfortable sharing the details of the specific types of injuries you sustained? I'm interested.

@@VerdantRide Fortunately none involved the wing or prop... still dreading the day that happens. Just a matter of time and opportunites. Both involved kissing the rail... its essentially a 60lb carbon fiber baseball bat if you either flip and then fall into or violent water (double overhead) force feeds the rail into your mouth ..... the end result is oral Maxillofacial Reconstructive Surgery and orthodontics. The blowfish came a little bit late im afraid got for each one of my boards wouldve never happened if utilized but probably wouldnt have sacrificed the performance without the lesson ;-)

facetious ;-)

@@SurferBobbyLew Figured that out but it took me a beat or two to do that. :D

Yeah. Lift is one of those companies that does the hard stuff pretty well but really drops the ball on the easy stuff, like writing functional descriptions or taking photographs of the products with the angles necessary to properly inform their customers what they are buying.

I wanna try the 33 Carve. I wish that is what the 32 Glide was.

If I tell you, will you subscribe to Verdant Ride?

Yeah… I think due to the weight and speed and likelihood of up-kick due to the location of the propulsion, I'm more likely to use a safer stance with efoiling than all my other board sports. Like I said in the video, I ride midline for everything else.

Yeah, I've got some film-making skills in my past but shooting stuff like this is more just holding a pole where the camera should be. Anyone can do it with the Insta 360 cams and any decent video editing package. My professional life is spent more in strategic execution than in content creation but once amass these skills you never really lose them. AI is getting much better so it is possible to tell a decent story with just a few hours of work that would have taken a week just a few years ago. GetFoil closed this year right? Are you pretty confident you'll be able to perform your own repairs and keep your board rolling for the foreseeable future? Can you put other wings on it?

Yep, GetFoil folded. I haven't tried other boards so I can't really rank them. GetFoil was the only US company and it seems to be a good product. They just never had the market base anywhere near what was needed to keep the company afloat. Pretty bummed. No more support, no replacement parts from them. Some of their parts suppliers (China) has popped up and started selling those left over inventories like wings. There is a FB community group that is a self help group. I've used their help to solve some water intrusion issues with my remote. Other aspects are addressed there as well. I believe though that I will probably be getting a new Efoil in time. I was looking at a free spinning prop or a jet drive on a Flightboard. Maybe a Air Pro. I now have two season on a board. I'm not that good at it, but I'm getting there.

I've got this rule that I won't got to the ER on weekends in the summer so I keep an Insorb subcutaneous absorbable skin stapler around for just such an occasion. I've never needed it for eFoil related issues but it has saved me from spending a whole day waiting around in an ER a couple of times now.

Got a question for you about the folding prop… I'm considering a show comparing the safety of a gliding prop vs a breaking prop. Would you say that a gliding prop (like the folding, free spinning etc. props made for unpowered wave riding) is more likely to hit their riders especially when falling off the front of the board? I ask because whenever I get flung off the front of the board like during an unexpected powerloss event, my board stops DEAD in the water and usually dives it's nose causing it to stop so fast that is like SUPER BREAKS. So I never get hit by my own board.

I just tested the 32 Glide. You'll get the show on Sunday. It's actually just a Surf. No curved wingtips like the 36 Glide. I had to do a bunch of investigation to figure that out.

Do whatever you want. This is what I recommend for the reasons I recommended it. If you like riding midline, ride midline. Whatever benefits I might get from riding midline aren't as important to me as the ability to choose my departure course from the board and I've gotten quite competent at riding staggered so I'm going to keep riding staggered. Every once in a while I play around with midline and other modified stances and other than letting me use much smaller movements with my ankles and my knees to initiate a turn, I think that it doesn't offer anything as powerful as not getting injured. I don't really know what more you want me to say other than what I've already said. I guess I could provide kinesiology ROM on various stances if you'd like. Here, this is evidence that a staggered stance provides the greatest range of motion. These are what's considered a normal human range of motion as measured by goniometer. Your results may vary… I know mine do. :P Hip ROM (Degrees) Stance Flexion/Extension Abduction/Adduction Internal/External Rotation Midline 120/30 20/30 30/40 Staggered 130/30 30/40 40/60 Wide 120/30 45/50 30/40 Knee ROM (Degrees) Stance Flexion Extension Internal/External Rotation Midline 135 0 10/30 Staggered 135 5-10 10/40 Wide 140 0 10/30 Ankle ROM (Degrees) Stance Dorsiflexion/Plantarflexion Inversion/Eversion Midline 20/45 15/20 Staggered 25/45 20/25 Wide 25/45 20/25 Summary of Total ROM for Critical Movements We can sum the ROM for each critical movement based on each stance to provide a comparison: Midline Stance: Hip: (120 + 30) + (20 + 30) + (30 + 40) = 270 degrees Knee: 135 + 0 + (10 + 30) = 175 degrees Ankle: (20 + 45) + (15 + 20) = 100 degrees Total: 545 degrees Staggered Stance: Hip: (130 + 30) + (30 + 40) + (40 + 60) = 330 degrees Knee: 135 + 5 + (10 + 40) = 190 degrees Ankle: (25 + 45) + (20 + 25) = 115 degrees Total: 635 degrees Wide Stance: Hip: (120 + 30) + (45 + 50) + (30 + 40) = 315 degrees Knee: 140 + 0 + (10 + 30) = 180 degrees Ankle: (25 + 45) + (20 + 25) = 115 degrees Total: 610 degrees Conclusion Staggered Stance: Total ROM = 635 degrees Wide Stance: Total ROM = 610 degrees Midline Stance: Total ROM = 545 degrees From these calculations, the Staggered Stance offers the greatest total range of motion, providing the most flexibility for selecting the safest side to depart from the board. The Wide Stance also offers substantial ROM and stability, making it a very good option as well. The Midline Stance provides the least ROM, making it less ideal for quick lateral movements required in eFoil dismounting. Perhaps someday I'll load all this into Houdini so we can visualize the simulation, but not right now. It's summer, and I don't spend 10-20 hours doin anything that feels like work when I could be surfing, sleeping, eating, or fucking. Know what I'm saying? :D

Bummer about the crash. Yes, I ordered a 32 Glide and was really surprised that is didn't match the same, "Glide Profile" I'm used to with my 36 Glide with upturned wingtips. The 32 Glide they shipped me matches the same profile as my Surf stabs. I think the reason they dropped the price on the 24 & 32 Glide is because they either had a misprint or just poor brand planning. I wrote Lift about this and got the most non-answer possible from their marketing agency. I wrote them two more times and got no response, so I'm pretty much left with, they are dumping a misprinted/mis-manufactured product without actually telling their customers about it. I MUCH prefer the curved wing tips on my 36 Glide. Way smoother! Is your 32 Glide flat or does it have upturned wingtips?

@@VerdantRide My 32 Glide is flat just like the surf tails. I figured that was the reason they were being discontinued as well. If you're ever down in the Jupiter Fl area hit me up. I'll show you some cool spots to eFoil!

@@snowindirt Sounds great! I'm actually currently looking for pals especially in the warmer states where I can hook up for some rides this winter. So thanks for the invitation. The Glide series confusion seems super strange to me and when I started investigating and the response I got from Lift's agency that answered my inquiry made it even stranger. It lead me to a whole show about this and some other issues I found lacked the transparency I wished I'd discovered.

Yes, but I'm in in KZbin jail for a few more days because I got a strike for trying to show some of the injuries I found caused by riders hitting the mast and prop.

It up. Check the feed.

@@VerdantRide Thanks! gonna check it :D

A. Don't really care about scratches BUT… B. It's a floating dock so it goes up and down as the water goes up and down. C. Private lake, hardly any traffic at all. You might notice that most times you see me ride in my vids I'm literally the ONLY person on the lake. D. I don't leave my board there. We just use it on beach days when lots of people are taking the boards out so that we have a safe place to park them and launch them when they feel like doing so. The longest I've left them there unattended is maybe an hour and a half while we were up on the deck having dinner. They have always been fine when we returned. I think as long as their batteries are in them, they are heavy enough to stay put. If they don't have batteries in them I bring them up on the dock and leave them upside down and throw a beach blanket over them to keep them from getting too much of a UV tan.

This response was provided by the Verdant Ride GPT: chatgpt.com/g/g-fwDABnTTY-verdant-ride-efoil-news-reviews-advice 🤖 --- Hey @poboy6704! Thanks for watching the "How to Carve Like a God" episode. When you mention "No breaching?" it sounds like you're referring to the hydrofoil wing breaching the water's surface during a carve. Breaching occurs when the hydrofoil wing comes out of the water, which can cause instability and potentially throw the rider off balance. ### Tips to Avoid Breaching While Carving: 1. **Mast Length**: Use a longer mast (Stephan uses 32 inches) for more clearance between the wing and the water's surface. This extra length helps prevent the wing from breaching during deeper carves. 2. **Weight Distribution**: Maintain proper weight distribution over the board. Keep your weight centered (front to back) and adjust smoothly when transitioning from one carve to another. Centering balance going into a turn allows you to adjust either forward or back depending on the need to gain lift or dive to keep your board at the proper height. 3. **Speed Control**: Manage your speed using the handheld remote. Carving at a controlled speed helps maintain stability and reduces the risk of breaching. 4. **Smooth Movements**: Make smooth, gradual shifts in weight and direction. Sudden or jerky movements can cause the foil to breach or the board to hit the surface of the water. 5. **Wing Selection**: Use a wing setup that provides higher speed turns without too much lift, such as the 100 Surf V2 front wing and 36 Glide stabilizer. These are great for carving and reducing the risk of breaching. If you're experiencing breaching, try these tips and see if they help. Let us know if you have more questions or need further clarification! Happy eFoiling! 🤙

This is like advising against drifting in a car. Beginners shouldn't do it, but to suggest it should be avoided outright is not ok. Breaches, specifically wingtip breaches, Wing outs, wing salutes, tip rips, and other names for it; show mastery in control and are a natural product of deep hard carves. Not only that, like drifting, they look absolutely radical (but maybe not to everyone. It can also be a bit of a style thing too) Mast length not only helps with avoiding breaches but also aids in doing them too. Better yet, USEABLE mast length will facilitate deeper carves and better wing outs. For example, the Lift 32" mast *total length* is slightly longer than Flite 80 cm mast but has less usable length than even the Flite 75 cm mast. Because Lift motor is elevated above the bottom of the mast it loses 3 - 4 inches of clearance which is huge in the foiling world, especially when performing breaches. The longer the mast the greater the chances of falling in the wings as your original injury images showed. Flite and other unibody fuselage drives have greater clearance while having a shorter (or equal) total length in regards to safety. The longer useable length can carve at greater angles before there is a threat of losing thrust from the propulsion. Or the edge of the board touching down. This isn't to say there are no advantages to a separate drive, but on this topic of breaches, there are none. This isn't to say that breaches are not possible on Lift and other brands with elevated motors. There's also a limit to how long a mast can be before there are other problems. Just so others know I have extensive experience with Waydoo and (get)FOIL, as well as riding time on Lift, and Flite. Wing size and shape also plays a huge factor as well as propulsion type and shape. Throttle controller etc. Salute your wingtips 🪽💦🫡 and Live Life to the Foilest whatever and however you ride. It's always magical

I love breaching. 900 flow with a long mast. Sharp breaches and also drifting breaches. So much fun

@@poboy6704 💯. I hope to try a newer Flite with that wing. I keep hearing it's 🔥. I was on an older 2 series with flyer 800. Wing outs were sketchy on that one but ✅ nonetheless. GetFOIL - wing outs ✅ Lift - wing salute ✅ Waydoo - tip rips ✅

Go for it!

One more day in KZbin jail

Should be able to post tomorrow.

I don't blame you. These are very strange errors. I've had 2 battery replacements out of 3 boards, 1 eBox replacement to fix my loud running Lift3 Pro after trying to fix it with a new mast/motor, and my first remote lost its spring which they fixed by shipping me 2 controllers. I was able to fix the original with a replacement spring so now I've got spares galore. I wonder if your motor running is related to your remote or your ebox. Only Lift could say for sure. Sorry to hear you are having issues.

1. I almost never transport my board by car. 2. I never use the bags. 3. I never detach my mast even when transporting by car. I can fit 2 rides without removing the masts just fine in my hatchback. 4. I did insert the battery, I pulled it out of a box I keep on the dock at the same time I stored the wing protector sleeve.

@@VerdantRide I'm jealous of your setup! I have a place to ride that is a 15 minute drive away. Doesn't fit in the back of my jeep cherokee with the mast on & wing off. So annoying. Recently put a roof rack on for our thule, so I'll try transporting on the roof rack next time. I've only had my board for a little over a month and have really enjoyed your videos. Keep it up!

Happy to stay next to the water. 😂…I have also to do the full setup. And again to drive home..

I ride in Stillwater MN and no I don't give lesson but Zen Watersports does and has on my lake. I'm considering conducting a race on my lake next season.

You are correct. I've had a stern conversation with the Verdant Ride GPT for getting that wrong. :D

This response was provided by the Verdant Ride GPT: chatgpt.com/g/g-fwDABnTTY-verdant-ride-efoil-news-reviews-advice 🤖** Hey Josh, thanks for watching! It looks like your comment might have been cut off or a typo. Feel free to share your thoughts or questions about getting the board ready-I'd love to hear them! 🤙 -All attempts to translate your response to English have failed.

Hope you love it! What are you pairing it with? 🤠

Thanks man! I'm glad you dig.

I just tried the 32 Glide tonight for the first time. I was a bit surprised that it didn't have curved tips like my 36 Glide. It is actually just flat like the Carve stabs. Lift really needs to working their series naming/branding. Lighting strikes just over the hill scared me off the water before I could really put the right amount of time into the ride say for sure, but it is faster. I do think I missed the slipperiness of those curved wingtips though. Let me get another few rides in before I say for sure. I'd suspect that your 33 carve tail will likely perform closely to the 32 Glide given that they are very similar. Still, I suggest you give the 36 Glide a try if you should not find the 33 Carve to your liking.

Oh and get well soon!