this album played at night hits different for some reason!

omg thank you for telling me what that little cindy lauper moment was reminding me of!

*rah rah ohh la la*

Excellent

The only place I "go shopping" is thrift stores.

do any of my fellow indie sleaze enjoyers remember the band The Ting Tings? i was in my indie sleaze bag at this time. always had my digital camera trying to emulate that candid flash photography aesthetic. i even did a powerpoint presentation on terry richardson for my photography class at the time. the main music i’d listen to was m.i.a, santigold, mgmt, yeah yeah yeahs, phoenix, the wombats, the ting tings, and constantly wore fishnets, knee-high/thigh-high socks and tights with mini skirts and tshirts i’d cut up. it was fun times and I’m glad my party phase was at the height of still sharing your good times with social media and capturing those moments without the expectations of needing your photos to be overly polished in fear of being judged for being less than perfect

The last point you made about the 2020s recycling everything was eye opening😭 I wonder how we are gonna look back to this time in the future

You look stunning

sky ferreira comeback when

That Uffie video is probably the best indie sleeze mv

Slayyyter is ahead of the game. she deserves her flowers STARFUCKER is the best pop record of 2023

3:32 dan and phil and black butler so true

Slayyyter mentioned! 😆

music-wise i think Cailin Russo's Influx album, especially the songs Pineapple Crush and Shy, are going to be the new sound to come from an Indie Sleaze revival. fashion-wise Cailin kind of also suits the aesthetic imo.

I hope gen z can have fun at club no bottle service, being stuck in phone or worrying what you look like. A time was had and y’all deserve fun ❤️

Did anyone else like American Apparell for the ‘regular’ sized models. It was during the peak skinny Victoria secret model era, so having these regular sized girls being considered hot, really boosted my fragile teen ego

As a millennial that lived in LA between 2007-2012 I must say it delights me so much to finally see my early 20”s be profiled and have an authentic moniker now. I feel old cause my youth has come full circle back into fashion but it feels more like a completed cycle. ❤️

The way people swore that 2010s fashion would never come back 😂😂😂 skinny jeans will be coming to a store close to you But I will also add that indie sleaze incorporated high fashion items like Jeremy Scott, Moschino, peep platform Christian Louboutin heels, etc. (Jeremy Scott was actually in one of those photos you showed). But indie sleaze also incorporated thrifted pieces and fast fashion. It was also very much wearing everything that you loved and thought was fashionable.

Omg this was my aesthetic in hs before I became part of the punk rock scene. I feel like they cross over quite a bit. Especially the drink/party culture and idgaf attitude

Indie sleaze was seen as fashionable at the time. But there was a lot of room to individualize. People could obeses over leather jackets but maybe someone had studs or another was cropped. Many of the statement pieces were in fashion but curated to the individual person

Correction for that blogger: Wired earphones are not retro or outdated. They have a higher capability of amazing sound quality then on/in earphones. They work well with quad dac and hifi music players. And you don't have to charge them. I promise I'm not an audiophile 🤣 .

Blame the 80s and the music culture it arose from. A lot of people often forget that the 80s is what set the tone of today's pop culture especially when it relates to fashion.

I think something worth noting and possibly relevant to this conversation was what could've bee an evolution of yarling in the pop punk era where dudes like Tom Delonge added that annoying, hidden "y" sound to every word "Dyon wyayste your tyoym, you're owlready thya vyoice insyoid myoi hyeaaaahhdd" 🤣

I was in middle school in late 2007 so I had vivid memories of watching mtv + vh1 in the mornings when they played music videos. Artists like MIA, justice, mgmt, kid cudi etc were pretty much running both channels with ease. It’s the first “different” music I was ever exposed to and honestly I’m happy to see it coming back in the way of artists like slayyyter Charli the dare and others. 🎉

I think all our perception of previous eras will always be a combination of how people who lived it recorded it and how future generations interpret it. Ie our view of ancient Greece is from recreation from people in the 1900 or western history interpreted by Hollywood. Now indie sleeze feels like how the kids of the people that lived it interpret their parents/siblings/aunts/ nosy kids ruffling through facebook albums interpret that era. I just hope this does not mean a revival of Terry Richardson's career. I can live without that guy in pop culture again.

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Ive been saying for the longest time gen z does have its own aesthetic that we really dont realize in the moment. I can guarantee gen alpha is gonna look back at some of the gen z stuff and think it was pretty cool meanwhile here we are reminiscing about things millennials were doing

this vid was so intresting thanku for the breakdown

To say drugs were a part of indie sleaze culture is an understatement lol. The amount of xanax & vodka redbulls that sustained me during that era..

The difference is back then indie sleaze was a real life cultural era that was recorded online but now it's an online trend that is performed by some in real life. I don't think it's even actually indie sleaze at all just partially inspired like young Millennials were by the 80's/90's fashion

I swear, I heard a hint of you replicating how New York says hoops, when you said roots referring to the girls hair and Saltburn.😂😂😂😂😂

I don't understand when people use indie sleaze references that are too mainstream. the indie aesthetic was the opposite of that. also, tumblr was important, but the tumblr girl/boy aesthetic is not indie sleaze.

Also not to do too much on the younger generation, but a lot of younger people that mimic this era and the y2k era do it bc they have no personality or identities of their own, so they curate and tailor their personality around certain decades (and I get it, the 2020s is kind of a flop), but then they just get bored and do something else, so in a way I get most of these kids are just playing in they parents closet, but with social media it kinda waters down the authenticity bc indie sleaze era, ppl was actually a mess back in the day

Not directly related and this might be weird and/or parasocial, but I get secondhand frustrated when I think about how under appreciated Slayyyter, especially Starfucker is. The internet’s biggest menace Azealia Banks says that Charli is scared of/intimidated by Slayyyter, LIZ & Brooke Candy, which is why she doesn’t put them on anymore like she used to a few years ago. Maybe there’s something to that. I’ll be interested to see who Charli chooses to platform on the brat remix album.

Need a video on preppy. I heard boat shoes r coming back and im so confused bc i wouldve been so embarrassed to wear those in high school lol it gives vinyard vines to me!

wake that up

Having actually lived it, we definitely didn't call it "indie sleaze" so for it to have a name now is crazy

I like this new name indie sleaze, but back then the entire subculture was just referred to as “hipster”. Edit: also when I see people say this can “never come back”, you must be American 😂 this type of nightlife/lifestyle very much still exists in Europe

you're always a master ICONAOMI <3 thank you for your cultural knowledge and studies <3

i was a teenager when indie sleaze was happening and what i miss about that time is that back then we didn't used to put a label on the so called aesthetic we were living in. nobody was like "today im putting on my indie sleaze fantasy bullshit". we were just living and vibing. and thank god there are not mutch photos of that time of my life.

until social media declines, indie sleaze seems like a front to me until i know your lore. bc no way everyone was bedrotting last week & now they’re a 365 party girl bumpin it???? and its such a rich person image bc 1) drugs & alcohol DO cost money 2) so does rehab. preppy/old money video would be a great contrast bc both just seem like two petulant rich kids lol. these will be a micro trend unlike Punk where there’s a real social ideology behind it.

they only take the polished version of indie sleaze. we need the experimentation of it back. i think that was the whole appeal of it to me.

I was definitely dressed in this style at the time. I was also broke, which definitely forces you to get creative. And getting creative and adding pieces that are unique to you adds to authenticity of the look.

32 here, I was there and we called this style “punk” for some reason. Also….it was a VERRRY alcohol heavy experience the fun was waking up to see all the photos you don’t remember taking and posting EVERYTHING !

Indie sleaze cannot be replicated today bc the youth of today do not know how to be authentic to themselves. Ironically they are the ones that created the perfection bubble on social media. You cnt be cringe, quirky, crazy, etc bc what would ppl think of you? What would they say online? Authenticity is what’s missing in modern day - put down your phone and live in the moment! IMO the only ppl that can bring “indie sleazy” back are millennials. All the examples in the video are millennials. Millennials are changing on society views age. Taking certain age milestone in their own hands, ex: not having kids, not getting married, still looking like they’re in their 20s etc. the one generation who’s been getting jump on since birth and now by the younger siblings that keeps pushing on. They are Making new styles and music plus gen z mimics them constantly. Quiet as it kept they are also starting the social media trends 😂 ppl think they are gen z but a lil digging you find out the are millennials. Ex no one wanted to be on musicly or whatever it was called the app was for little kids. Boom pandemic hit its changed name to TikTok and millennials refused to get on it but boredom got the best of them and the app took off! The app was mad by millennial and most ppl running the business accounts are millennials it’s hardly ever the intern. They use to be the intern but it turned into a real job and millennials have been doing it since the beginning. I think millennials are trend setters even though ppl will not want to acknowledge it bc they grew up in a time where technology was constantly changing. They always had to adapt to the new thing. So no matter what new technology is coming out they are going to know how to use it. My friend who is 35 had to teach a 26 year old how to use a computer mouse at work. She like I have to teach the boomers and gen z have to find a file and convert to pdf 😂. IMO bc of this they will stay being the ones to replicate bc they always have to be in the know! And to be in the know you have to be able to adapt which leads to an authentic use of (insert whatever) leading to new trends for ppl to follow.

What makes these sorts of aesthetics interesting is that it was hot when it first happened, it was a moment and the appeal is that its relatively a diy thing, very candid, so when ppl try nowadays try to replicate the style it gives try hard, I’m kinda over this newer generation taking early 2000s/2010 aesthetics and concepts, thinking just bc they’re referencing or replicating it that makes it cool and interesting, especially when music and pop culture in general is more corporate, manufactured and more clean cut than ever, maybe it’s cus I’m getting old so I’ve seen this era happen in real time, but it’s not appealing seeing new artists or even influencers cosplay an era they weren’t apart of, the appeal was that you were kind of a mess having fun, you probably had some issues and you went out and partied your issues away, that was a lifestyle people actually lived, mfs don’t be living like this fr lol and the ones that do live this life have public images to maintain, nobody is teetering stumbling out the club drunk as hell, smacked off drugs

the point of indie sleeze is individualism, nowadays anything that's trendy can become superficial quickly cuz of social media and such. if indie sleeze does come back, it'll never bring that type of energy from the 2000s-2010s back i fear

Omg Slayyyter was mentioned!

It was good for it's time, but it simply can't return in the way it used to be. There might be some artists who are independent and have their own version of it, but corporations, as always, try to make it squeaky clean for mass consumption. Edit: Another point I would like to add is that the growth of technology gives everyone a camera in their hands. People are more connected than ever, which makes it harder to really emulate the same vibes. But it's still cool that people are trying to emulate it.

this style always makes me think of highschool...I hope we never go back lol