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@craigchaytor9109
@craigchaytor9109 Күн бұрын
Wow. You are built for this.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 Күн бұрын
Yes!!!
@sad_sloper-cl2ks
@sad_sloper-cl2ks 2 күн бұрын
This looks nice but seems a bit too long, i usually do a few minutes and then start with the easiest grade and work my way up. But i'm definitely gonna take some of those into my routine :)
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 2 күн бұрын
Obviously depends on your experience level, but this is 33mins (if you do everything), which is optimal for performance. We give the complete routine to elite climbers. It varies massively depending upon ability. Some will have a 10min-15min warm-up for example
@elshufflerguey
@elshufflerguey 5 күн бұрын
I can't stop looking at her forearms...
@mrunluckyguy1741
@mrunluckyguy1741 10 күн бұрын
When the hold is bad so you skip it:
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 9 күн бұрын
Right!! Haha!
@MightyAssa
@MightyAssa 10 күн бұрын
It's still magical how people are able to talk while they are in the wall. I started to rewatch the technical videos since my perspective changed and i can relate way more then a year ago. Big thank you to Alex and Robin :)
@pmfmanso
@pmfmanso 12 күн бұрын
This video improved dramatically my climbing, thank you so much Alex.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 11 күн бұрын
☺️ I’m so glad it has!! Thanks for watching and showing your support! 🙏
@alejand5
@alejand5 13 күн бұрын
I think it was more a mental barrier
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 13 күн бұрын
For sure it was the most stressed we've seen Janja - shows how hard it is being the best!!
@ginaz5176
@ginaz5176 13 күн бұрын
Thank you needed that
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 13 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching - glad it helped!
@PaulDormaar
@PaulDormaar 13 күн бұрын
I thought it also had to do with her being stronger and her centre of gravity being further away from the wall than thinner climbers. This helps her on every other angle, but hinders her on steep slabs.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 13 күн бұрын
Smaller climbers will have lower CoG, so slabs, in theory are easier. There's an argument out there that they also found this move easier due to the gap in the volume, but I think this makes more sense if you are slightly taller. Janja is only a few inches taller than Brooke and we aren't sure that this makes a massive difference. Weight absolutely makes a difference though. Unfortunately we are seeing lighter and lighter climbers and they will find smaller feet and slabs easier (for certain moves), but this only lasts a certain amount of time and has big repercussions on health.
@_kate_s
@_kate_s 13 күн бұрын
That slab with for 4 tries was best what you can get. Janja did it with 4 tries. Other athletes need more attempts to do that slab. How comes that she does it better than others and it is called as weakness? Janja does lot of things very creatively and i would say noone would teach to do things in that way and for average climber even impossible to repeat (for example, Janja kick, dyno moves statically), but it is working for her. It is why she is the best. Doing slab dynamically is just one more example how to break beta in Janja style.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 13 күн бұрын
Exactly - unfortunately the title is a bit of click bait :( for KZbin. That said, we are looking at what took Janja the longest - her weakness may still be something that she is better at than most of the other climbers. Janja, is without doubt the best comp climber of all time and we understand and respect this...It's just interesting seeing why this move saw her fall a few times before she came up with the beta breaker!
@_kate_s
@_kate_s 13 күн бұрын
@@roapcoaching917 and i am here to tell you that i don't like click bait title :) from my side of screen looked that she wanted to do dyno from first attempt, but the same time tried to be decent climber and do what route setters said.
@jieyang7146
@jieyang7146 13 күн бұрын
She hasn't been doing super well with slabs for a while, the European Championship and another world cup where Oriane won coming into mind. I would say it's a weakness of hers, or at least she doesn't seem to be as confident as she's approaching to other styles of boulders. Also, I honestly doubt five ten is the best choice for tiny edges..
@_kate_s
@_kate_s 13 күн бұрын
These comps were shortly after her injury. Give her break. Show me other climber shortly after injury in first 2-3 comps, who was on podium. I don't know other.
@jieyang7146
@jieyang7146 13 күн бұрын
@@_kate_s She almost cried after the final slab. She clearly struggled with it mentally.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 13 күн бұрын
I agree RE 5.10 for small edges - these shoes are stiff out of the box, but get soft and rounded quickly. It is her biggest weakness - yes, she's still amazing at slab, but certainly where she looks the least secure.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 13 күн бұрын
The broken toe. Don't worry, everyone knows Janja is the best...it's interesting to see why she finds a movement/comp hard though. In the past, the injury was certainly a reason why - not anymore. Stress certainly played a factor here - it's tough being on the top!
@_kate_s
@_kate_s 13 күн бұрын
@@jieyang7146 she did not cried after final slab, but she was close to tears after last final boulder, when her finger stuck and it was good reason to be.
@aidanuy
@aidanuy 14 күн бұрын
I love the Olympic analysis videos! It would be awesome if you analyzed more competitions in the future too!
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
Absolutely! Will try to do this in conjunction with the ifsc and mattgroom
@jussyuchi5076
@jussyuchi5076 14 күн бұрын
I reckon that it would make more sense if you have taken heights and body types into account and look into betas of different height categories, cuz after all in boulder comps, athletes are looking for solutions that could work for them individually. For this problems, shorter ones or ones that have smaller physique have more room to maneuver on slabs. Taller or more packed ones doesn't share such advantage in this kind of situation. Among those taller, more buffed athletes, Janja broke the beta, Jessica (Zhilu as well) found the beta.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
Yep, for sure height plays a part, as it always does. We believe shindex (length of shin) and the lower center of gravity add up. That said, the shorter the climber, the lower their hips in relation to the volume and therefore less room. We will see if we can find footage that we can judge distance differences though. The other thing that could be discussed is foot length. This has pros and cons too. The longer the foot, the more space you can create, but also the more leverage on the toe. We touched on ankle flexion and strength, but these are all factors. Ultimately Janja should have gone for the higher hold on her flash go. Jessy’s method was certainly the most elegant.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
Can you share the link please? Keen to watch. Thanks for sharing
@yanghang910
@yanghang910 14 күн бұрын
Hi thanks for the analysis, there is a Chinese climber who also analysis the same boulder probelm, and he has a point from a different perspective, let me try to summarize it. This problem favors shorter climber. Due to the volume is very shallow, taller climbers naturally need more space to turn their hips but those space are not given in this problem. Examples: 1. shorter climbers(brooke, ai, larua, zelia, camellia, under 160cm), they all did this problem gracefully by turning their hips and facing sideway, which is the most natual and efficient way for them. 2.Natilia(161cm) did the problem by crimping the edge of the volume so she can stay close to the wall with additional frictions. 3.Oriane(167cm) used the short beta but it took her forever to micro-adjust. 4.Janja(165 used the short beta initially but couldn't do it then she did the beta break. 5. Jessica and Luo used the best beta for taller climbers, not turning the hips, faceing the wall completely and did the probelm gracefully. Above are alll the climbers who did the problems, to summarize short climbers are better at this kind of problems because they need less space to more so they are stay next to the wall. Props to taller climbers who also completed the problem. Original video is on www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xdWUeAETf/, if anymore is interested(Chinese).
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
Just seen this message. Thanks!
@Angellus502
@Angellus502 12 күн бұрын
My thoughts exactly. I'm nearly 190cm and find a lot of problems have simular issues for me that are not even a thing for 160-170cm climbers. Also the lower hand hold is at hight were Brook is almost pulling down where Janja has to bend knees thus pushing certer of gravity out to be able to grab the hold without it becoming a undercling and un-usable
@Orimthekeyacolite
@Orimthekeyacolite 9 күн бұрын
As a small guy myself, I'm never sure whether to rage or laugh when tall people cope, pretending they're the naturally disadventaged ones😂😂
@Angellus502
@Angellus502 9 күн бұрын
@@Orimthekeyacolite its all swings and roundabouts. In my gym they set a lot of climbs so the comp kids can do them. I find some of them rediculoulsy hard becuse everything is so cramped. But other stuff I can easy static dyno's and send climbs the shorter ladies I climb with cant do
@valerieyip6795
@valerieyip6795 14 күн бұрын
I wonder how much of her struggle is because of her toe injury last year? I feel like that kind of thing can affect your balance or even confidence for a while.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
When we originally launched this video, that was the biggest concern for most viewers. As it was a long time ago, I doubt it was an issue, but it would certainly affect the angle of approach and strength on the small jibs!
@qriz5
@qriz5 14 күн бұрын
Are the differences not largely due to Janja attempting to go two hands to the low hold? I feel the issues which you compared to other climbers would have rectified itself if she had gone 1 hand to the lower hold and 1 hand to the higher hold like everyone else shown besides jessica pilz.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
For that attempt, yes. Her beta was off. The subsequent attempts saw slight differences in her foot angles etc. IF she’d have gone to the higher hold on her flash go, she’d have probably flashed the climb.
@danielparsons2859
@danielparsons2859 14 күн бұрын
The big lesson here for me is that climbing will humble you. Even the greatest get humbled once in awhile.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
Absolutely! The beauty of our sport
@victorkolouch1718
@victorkolouch1718 14 күн бұрын
Funny that Janya’s solution hasn’t been referred to as a beta break. While I was watching it during the comp, my immediate reaction is that these super delicate moves are a weakness, but only relative to her other superlative abilities. Not that it matters much, but I imagine the route setters will learn something from her performance as well, and may try to challenge her further in subsequent comps.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
For sure! We are pretty sure the setters didn’t anticipate anyone doing the problem this way! Intuitive and quick thinking, whilst “listening” to her body!
@MathiasZamecki
@MathiasZamecki 14 күн бұрын
Glad you re-upload without music
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
Haha! We listened!
@jonnes__4657
@jonnes__4657 14 күн бұрын
🗽 The second try of Janja was really what a superstar is doing.🙏 .
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
Agree! So innovative and no doubt wasn't something the setters thought about! Thanks for watching!
@wade0051
@wade0051 14 күн бұрын
Would love to see more analysis of the Olympics!
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
Definitely more in the pipeline. Next video will be a “normal” coaching video, but we will try to add one or two a month, including IFSC comps
@ericlin158
@ericlin158 14 күн бұрын
This was cool but was this reposted? I thought I saw you do something really similar a week ago or so
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
Yes, sorry, it was taken down after just 18hrs due to ongoing Olympic coverage. We thought we’d repost. Sorry for the double watch (for you).
@driesvanoosten4417
@driesvanoosten4417 14 күн бұрын
​@@roapcoaching917really crazy that all discussion on the olympics gets taken down so easily. I would think this is clearly educational and should be covered by fair use. Mani the Monkey also just had an analysis video taken down...
@Train_Eat_Rest_Repeat
@Train_Eat_Rest_Repeat 14 күн бұрын
She got that testosterone voice
@philclimbr8763
@philclimbr8763 14 күн бұрын
Would love to hear your opinion on Alex unexpected slip some moves later. According do the athlete, the foot felt very secure hence he did not concentrate actively but used the moment to relax and collect himself for what lay ahead.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 14 күн бұрын
We have footage of this moment, so we can absolutely look into it. It’s the perfect recipe for a fall as his foot slips just as he relaxes his grip to move on. Poor Megos! But Change, 9c was a nice consolation prize!
@kushseikham2490
@kushseikham2490 15 күн бұрын
Really useful, videos like this provide excellent insight that can be reviewed over and over again. More like this please!
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 15 күн бұрын
Appreciate it. Next one is released tomorrow!
@danielchoi6958
@danielchoi6958 14 күн бұрын
Yeah this was very insightful. I seriously wish they were near me so I could hit them up for coaching just as a casual climber.
@alvaroc6326
@alvaroc6326 15 күн бұрын
Just fell off the top of snzn ramen yesterday. Alex just floated, I'm trying that next week.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 15 күн бұрын
Ahhh, you’ll get it next time! Good luck 🍀 and thanks for watching!!!
@lavoltare6307
@lavoltare6307 16 күн бұрын
Soooooooo good thank you.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 16 күн бұрын
Thank you! You’re more than welcome!!
@user-rh5eh1pi2s
@user-rh5eh1pi2s 17 күн бұрын
Holy shit she’s jacked
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 16 күн бұрын
Climbing gives you muscles
@FullSpectrumClimbing
@FullSpectrumClimbing 17 күн бұрын
Solid tips
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 17 күн бұрын
🙏
@kutlay1988
@kutlay1988 17 күн бұрын
Great breakdown. Also the music volume was perfect.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 16 күн бұрын
Awesome, thanks for the feedback!!
@ssbbshadowplayer1
@ssbbshadowplayer1 18 күн бұрын
Just curious: Where would you draw the line between route setter error and not route setter error? For instance, IMO, Men's Finals Innsbruck 2024, bouldering problem #2 would be a route setter error. Is there a situation where favoring one type of climbing in climbing competitions is a route setting problem? Like would it be a problem to set crack climbs over and over?
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 16 күн бұрын
Good Q. Had to refresh my memory…I.e. no-one did the move and most struggled with the first? It’s tough as sometimes athletes don’t turn up after registering, so the setters base it on who’s going, but I do think that wasn’t the best bloc! Setters, as far as I know, are given a prompt. One boulders has to be a technical problem, one powerful, one must be dynamic and the other coordination…if they stray from this, it could be too much of one thing…
@ssbbshadowplayer1
@ssbbshadowplayer1 16 күн бұрын
@@roapcoaching917 Thanks for the answer! Regarding Men's Finals Innsbruck 2024, bouldering problem #2, no competitor even zoned. Many struggled with the first move, and many more struggled on the second move. After that, there's still a maneuver to zone. Few even attempted the zone, but didn't even look that close to the zone honestly. IMO, even that's an extreme example of a route setter failure.
@shaunbutta8819
@shaunbutta8819 18 күн бұрын
Very insightful video, could do with a lot more of this for comps, where we get to see a variety of techniques used, as well as figure out what works (which is different for different climbers). Sad to see some climbers not make finals, but separation is the name of the game and this isn't bad route setting, it's just unlucky route-reading under pressure. If the orange volume wasn't there for a right toe hook, then it has no purpose, so there were clues available. Keep up the great work.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 18 күн бұрын
Yeah, we completely agree. It's a shame not to see everyone put on their best show, but that's comp climbing. Thanks for sharing and for your support!
@verbalwound5874
@verbalwound5874 18 күн бұрын
Did not in fact drop the mobility routine
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 18 күн бұрын
We are having to refill the whole episode as the cameraman we used for the training episode didn't record any sound unfortunately, so this will come in the future.
@blulinx
@blulinx 19 күн бұрын
Great, informative video. Very detailed!
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 18 күн бұрын
Excellent, glad you liked it. We'll be doing more in this style more frequently.
@nickdefrancis
@nickdefrancis 19 күн бұрын
Thanks for covering. It was absolutely tragic that the routesetters put such a difficult and unreadable move at the 12 point marker. Over half the field was unable to showcase their strength on the lead wall, and that's unacceptable.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 18 күн бұрын
That's a fair opinion. It will be interesting to hear the thoughts of some of the athletes to see if they just blame themselves or have an opinion on the setting too. Thanks for sharing.
@aspuzling
@aspuzling 19 күн бұрын
It's a sad fact of lead comps that you only get one go. I am sure all those who fell on this move would do it easily on their second go. I don't even think it's necessarily due to a lack of skill that they failed but certainly for whatever reason they all misjudged how good that foothold was. So the question is why did they misjudge it? Was it polished or dirty? Was it a type of hold that looked textured but was actually smooth? It's hard to tell without a decent close up. Another problem I'd like to mention with the route setting is it's fine to have a few moves with bad feet but it's bad setting to make a foot slip so consequential. As an audience member I'd rather see an athlete slip and then catch themselves rather than slip and end their run. That way athletes still need to work hard to minimise mistakes but have a chance to make a come back which makes for exciting viewing.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 19 күн бұрын
The key is stress. Even the best comp climbers are nervous and we think they were slightly shocked by how hard the beginning of the route was, so they were climbing defensively. This doesn’t put you in a flow state and makes you lock more rather than drive and climb as you normally would. I’m sure most of those who fell here would have cruised it in practice. I agree that it’s not the best spectacle, but I think the average Olympic viewer still enjoyed ropes more than boulders?!
@benoitcerrina
@benoitcerrina 19 күн бұрын
Fantastic analysis, made me subscribe hope you have more in the same vein
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 19 күн бұрын
Ag, welcome to the channel! Thanks for your support and glad you enjoyed it
@sandimil1289
@sandimil1289 20 күн бұрын
LOVE videos like this!!! Thank you!
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 19 күн бұрын
Excellent, glad you did! More coming your way soon
@peterjones6130
@peterjones6130 20 күн бұрын
Robin, great analysis, really interesting stuff, thanks for sharing, PLJ
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 20 күн бұрын
Thank you so much!! More coming your way!
@schneesi
@schneesi 20 күн бұрын
A great idea of such analysis videos. And robin: you explain it so beautifully, clearly and comprehensibly - even for hobby climbers. 🤗 more of this would be lovely! THANKS ALEX & ROBIN!!
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 20 күн бұрын
Ah, thank you so much, glad you enjoyed it!! More coming your way!!
@nolanarcher5123
@nolanarcher5123 21 күн бұрын
Congratulations! Don't be too self-conscious about yourself on video Alex. You're great to listen to and your coaching tips are fantastic.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 20 күн бұрын
Ah, thank you 😊 I’m very much getting used to being pregnant now too! 😆
@jewdyism
@jewdyism 21 күн бұрын
Why didn’t you analyze everyone who made it? You didn’t even discuss the silver medal winner 🤔
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 21 күн бұрын
Just due to poor footage of sorato unfortunately
@friendly.mammal
@friendly.mammal 21 күн бұрын
This was awesome! If you do another, it would be cool to see a comparison between Nonaka Miho and Mori Ai's climbing styles in the women's olympic semifinals. It seems like Miho does a lot more weight training than Ai, and I'm curious how that changes the movement vocabulary each of them chooses to use.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 20 күн бұрын
Love it! I’d love to get the Japanese coach’s perspective too. On it!!
@marcusoleary4518
@marcusoleary4518 21 күн бұрын
Very interesting! More of this please.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 21 күн бұрын
Thanks pops!
@thierrylevasse494
@thierrylevasse494 21 күн бұрын
As a spectator it’s a lot more fun to see an athlete fight till the end rather than falling stupidly with tons of energy left. The route offered great separation passed that point, and it a was frustrating to watch only half the field give a good fight. Great analysis btw, more of that please!
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 21 күн бұрын
Agreed, a shame for sure, but I think the setters will have been surprised by the “basic” errors made here just as much as all of us (and the athletes too)
@thierrylevasse494
@thierrylevasse494 21 күн бұрын
@@roapcoaching917 maybe athletes weren’t expecting that kind of “trap” mid route, where usually they’re trying to tire out the climber for harder separating moves to come later? That being said, still worth mentioning the near perfect separation of the women semi final lead route!
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 21 күн бұрын
Haha, true!
@valerieyip6795
@valerieyip6795 21 күн бұрын
yeah but if the lead route is too easy (I.e. if there are any tops) it would not be fair to boulder specialists, because then the round would be based more on lead performance than boulder. the solution would've been to make both a tad easier, not just lead.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 21 күн бұрын
Completely agree. Right now, there is definitely a bias on the routes
@jonathanrossddsmhs1271
@jonathanrossddsmhs1271 21 күн бұрын
About 4 betas. Which do you think was the most efficient? Which was probably the intended beta? Adam looked casual on this move.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 21 күн бұрын
Interesting thought here and we are friends with one of the setters for routes, so we can find out for sure, but I think the toe hook makes sense with the poor foot for the left toe. Adam’s looked the best by far!
@clairecasey2709
@clairecasey2709 21 күн бұрын
Doing an analysis of a climb on rock would be so cool!
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 21 күн бұрын
I think we will be doing this. Burden of dreams? Another problem? Crux of a route? What would you like to see?
@zacharylaschober
@zacharylaschober 22 күн бұрын
I would have liked, but was a limitation of the broadcast and not you, to see a better perspective of the foothold. The readjustments by many athletes, and the difference in success and failure suggests to me this was a textured talon amidst an untextured surface, or rotated in such a manner to have little distinct edge. I think many athletes decided in the moment to either control the stance or power through the stance, but if the hold were bigger or worse or smaller but better then everyone would have done basically the same action successfully.
@roapcoaching917
@roapcoaching917 21 күн бұрын
Agreed! Our view kept shifting to the crowd. I’d have loved to have seen some closer shots and more details on the holds. We hope to do this with the ifsc this coming year, so it’ll be interesting. Yes, that little foot hold held the fait of so many climbers. We still think they’d have all sailed through this move in practice, but the nerves of comp climbing and that they were slightly shocked by the difficulty of the start through them off mentally. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.