Isn’t that second or third add-on, not secure for thieves It seems anyone that knows what they’re looking at could just walk up and disconnect your extra trays and walk away with it

Shame the EE stand only goes up to 4". and extra inch would cover fat bike tires up to 5". Now if it was a true 4" then I might be able to get a 4.5" in it. Will have to measure...

I have liked Schwalbe tires (Nobby Nic and MM) however, they don't like my riding style, apparently Blown the casing on every Schwalbe I've put on my eMTB... and I am a Sr 'Citizen'

It runs into stuff to easily.

Overall reviews say this bike quickly gets in over its head because of the short rear suspension... this is more like a long-travel XC bike...

I wish more companies would come out with nice screens that have a lot of info, like the Trek EXe. I love my EXe!

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That enduro engineering looks pretty sweet for traveling, then the normal one for home.

Where did you get the adapter for the Bosch extender for the Orbea ??

Hi, thank you so much for your vid. I’m looking to move away from my 2020 Levo. The Pivot Lt looks great. Now to decide Vala or Shuttle Lt.- the Lt looks like it has cabling exposed close to the crank/motor on both sides, does this get hit easily? Looks like a bad place to have an exposed cable, thoughts?

Both really awesome bikes, but I still haven't found a bike that clicks all my boxes like my levo. I'm looking at getting the lowest level carbon levo and getting a cascade long travel link with vivid ultimate. I have a 170 zeb ultimate on my levo alloy, just going to swap parts. Saw a new levo carbon for 3700.00.

I saw this stand a few years ago and the price of £180 put me off I was hoping with you showing it the price had come down but unfortunately not I ended up getting another motorcycle bike stand for a lot less that still lifts up the rear end allows you to peddle the rear wheel

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I’ve had the enduro engineering stand and love it!

179cm what size orbea wild do i need ? I'm thinking about buying in large size. Good reviews

Silca hot waxing chains also solves the need to lube a chain. Works great if you are doing your own wrenching. The new Feedback Rak2 is good.

Like others I have the EE stand after watching a previous video of yours and no longer use my traditional bike stand.

Topeak has a nice one that I have been using for a year

I just got the EE stand (after seeing it in another video of yours). Already had a park tools stand. This is way easier to get into and out of.

Any of these two VS Santa Cruz Vala?

I recently bought a 2024 orbea Wild. I like the bike it was fun to ride but I had an issue with the bike having a crack in the down tube. I took it back to the bike shop that I bought it from and orbea gave me the run-around for about a month. I end up returning the bike to the bike shop. The bike shop explained to me they have a lot of trouble with their warranties in their opinion. I went and rode the shuttle I loved it. The biggest thing that I liked about the shuttle was it was made in America. I love both the bikes but I hated or bad as warranty.

What size frame is your Tero and what bottle cage and bottle set up are you running? i"m having a hard time finding something for my Medium frame. Thanks

Very good job

ridiculously expensive ,,, sure great bikes but front load the bike cost than add the maintenance and consumables costs, these bikes are just crazy expensive to own. For me here in Australia the LT is 20k I will be lucky to get 4 years out of the bike , running cost will easily be 5K a year /tires , pads , suspension service etc.

Funny, I had random emtb videos playing the other day and was half paying attention while working on my bike. I thought, that guy sounds just like the guy I watch on that RC channel… Good reviews on both channels!

Francis, good review as always! I would like to point out that both bikes should be mullets to do an accurate "apples to apples" comparison. We all know the Wild will turn better and be more agile with a smaller rear wheel. That's not to say that it would win the comparison, it would just be a fair comparison between the two. Also would like to point out we are your newest Bay Area Orbea dealer. My Buddy's Bike Shop in Livermore!😎

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Just wondering please what is the bike stand you are using for orbea? Google is not helpful Thanks

The more umbalanced bike and with older motor wins, specialy for sizes L and XL, love the DW suspension but those short chainstays on steep tech alpine trails will suck... not able to put traction on rear tyre, wheeling all the time, and on the descents if you dont attack and wheight the front wheel on flat corners you will wash out spetaculary, good for berms and manicure trails. But we all have different styles and bodys, and my geo maybe its not your geo the same as the terrain. Sorry Francis but motor dont make the bike, if the bike is a pig in handling its not the motor that will make a difference. Still 2 great motors. Those 2 bikes are more of a enduro oriented, one is a race machine and the other is a bike park self shuttle machine and not all mountain. All Mountain its for a bike that is more capable in almost any type of terrain. Francis, its just my opinion, keep up the reviews and the work it takes to make these videos. Have a nice one

What are the odds that you will review a Crestline? Bikes are pricey but in the same range as those 2.

Thanks for this great comparison ! Maybe it would've been interesting to test ride the Wild in size Small too, it would've been easier to turn I guess 😁 But with a lack of stability for sure !

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Exactly. Allot of people like the pivot, but the cheapest pivot lt is $8699 before tax. Orbea has allot of models and price points.

Well done...I am interested in seeing your review of the 2025 Orbea Rise SL.

I love Medium Shuttle LT (EP8), closing in on 3k total riding miles. Absolutely no issues. I personally love Pivot costumer service they provide working with my pivot dealer here, especially for someone that lives here on Oahu, Hawaii. I end up picking up a Shuttle AM last year, but I always pick the LT as my go-to-bike 95% of the time.

I like that bike stand with back tire off ground. Do you have a video spotlight for that , Looks neat

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My situation right now on my yeti 160e. 3 years, 3 shimano ep8 motors this time is out of warranty. I m thinking going for amflow bike because of dji motor

Francis do you know if the extender can supply enough current to run just on it alone? I ask because I want to do super long rides that require more that one extender..... Oh and PS. I know you don't care so much for the SC Heckler but I have been loving my closeout for the past year and if it goes up from here, they I look forward to even better ebiking in the future.

How does the Pivot Shuttle AM compare to the Shuttle LT?

The biggest problem with the Pivot LT and most other Pivots is that they work much better in sizes Medium and smaller. The Larger sized bikes in their lineup are extremely unbalanced due to the very short chain stays. You refer to the 448mm chain stay as long, but that is shorter than I want while riding size L and XL bikes. 450mm is my minimum preferred chain stay length

Francis - Great video. Can you tell me if there is a bike that rides as supple as the Shuttle but costs more around $6,500?

Hopefully Pivot will switch to CX5 motor next year

I thought you preferred the Pivot Shuttle AM to the Levo?

Thanks for the great comparison Francis! Both seem like great choices can't go wrong, but I'm not making any moves until I see what the Big S has up their sleeve!

Price wise and bang for the buck criteria, the 2021 to 2025 Wilds still on top imo. Nice review on both! I do like how Pivot reach sizes more my body type but they are $$$!

Regardless of anything, the Orbea is the prettiest and I'm thinking that's what matters most.

Saw this in your favorite items of the year and searched for your video of it. Might have to have this. Is there anything additionally you suggest that is needed? Spare battery? Also, will it follow a vehicle - like in an overwhelming scenario? Sounds like maybe it won't if it's strictly image based. Wish it followed a beacon. Maybe a future model.