Also I've hear that if you make your bows more plumb and your vaka assymetric with hard chines you might be able to get away without a leeboard

@@VigilanceTech there is another video where i record 10knots. I dont usually take the gps so i might have gone faster other times

@@VigilanceTech yes i am well aware of the asymmetric style, but shall draft works better for me here in nz, because im often sailing in tidal esturaries and if i need to drag it through the mud, flat bottom is much better than v! Also i wanted something with decent volume that could paddle okay.

thanks Hal!

sure I will do that. Yeah you don't need something complicated there. Mine just sits in a loose wooden socket. There is a fair amount of compression on the mast while sailing normally so it doesn't need to be held in, but it's nice if the mast doesn't fall when caught aback, so I have a line set up to tie the foot of the mast loosely to the step. The position of the fore/aft stays are more important. They need to be able to slip as the mast tilts fore and aft, and also have adjustment so you can tilt the mast to windward or leeward (windward for going downwind, leeward for upwind). On my setup the tack comes above the deck when shunting, inspired by the marshallese style, this also means the mast tilts more, and I can even make the yard be vertical. At first I had my fore/aft stays at the ends, but that snagged during shunting too often so I moved them in and it was much better.

thanks! you may enjoy my series of videos just before this one, where I sail to chatham island (and back!) what sort of sailing do you do currently?

Great! I love how much fewer moving parts there are in an electric motor!

I found it! wow, great tip. amazing that works but it makes so much sense!

@@dominictarrsailing 😁💯🙏🏽📿

Oh ✨ And that's basically like your boat too. You got rid of the shunting for tacking. In another video you had been hardfast on shunting but this is more suitable to long journeys on autopilot 😴 no? I hope you did a video on your new tacking situation. And what is a tacking crabclaw called please? Thanks 😊 Peace and Health

If you are thinking about outriggers on both sides, you should have a look at the balinese jukung. My design here is more inspired by kiribati and marshal islands. But there are lots of different traditional designs from around the pacific and indian ocean

@@dominictarrsailing Is there a name for a crabclaw that tacks? Thanks :) Peace and Health

@@b.l.a.c.k-shiva oh, not not that I am aware of. There are quite a few different ways of having a crab claw that tacks. Some have a short mast and a halyard. but you can also just lift up the sail and have stays that hold it up. then there is the jukung style that doesn't actually tack, it gybes, the boom has to swing around the mast. There are actually a few traditional rigs that gybe and don't tack, such as european square sail (okay it can tack in just right conditions but usually they gybe). If I wanted to name a particular CC style I'd just name it by the place they traditionally use it like that

thanks ross!

This way is better! Previously I built one that tacked so outrigger is down on one tack, up on the other. Prefer this side. Makes it like a very long skinny monohull because as the outrigger starts to lift drag drops away

@@dominictarrsailing Oh the drag becomes tremendous...? Hm 🤔

@@b.l.a.c.k-shiva well, the drag increases. the ama (outrigger float) that I have is a good size for a shunting pacific proa (ama to windward) actually it's just enough to support my body weight. if it was tacking, I'd want a larger ama, so that it can support the boat when pressed on the down tack without digging in. Although, on a small size boat like this, the crew weight is a lot in comparison to the boat, so you could balance it by sitting outward on the other side. That can be a bit risky if you accidentially gybe though, and are sitting in the wrong place! Also, some early trimarans had small ama, and they could capsize diagonally forward by pushing the outrigger under then tripping over it. Modern trimarans have ama that are large enough to support the entire boat, for example, a volume of 200% the entire displacement.

Thanks justine, i will!

not yet, but it needs to happen this year. can't sail two boats at once! it's a bit of effort to sell a boat and I decided to go sailing instead.

Really pretty great boat. If it was shallow draft and could dry out I would probably still have it instead of switching to the catamaran. The raven 26 is a good size. not too big not too small. It has standing head room. You can quickly raise the sails, it tacks really easily, and it's even small enough that you can pump the tiller to turn it if you are caught in a lull. When I brought it I thought I was getting a proper grownup boat with a desiel inboard... but that broke down a week later. I did get it going again but I actually just got good at sailing it without engine. I lived on it for 6 years! starting around the hauraki gulf and slowly pushing the boundries further and further, and also making it more ready to take on the ocean. In 2020 I sailed it around the north island. (non-stop to wellington, then across strait and cruising in the sounds then back up to the far north. Enginefree but did need a sculling oar a couple of times in the sounds) sailing it to Chatham island was gonna be next, but then I found the wharram. I had had a trailer sailer before that. The raven was able to take on anything, but having shallow draft and being able to park at low tide really makes the least comfortable part of living on a boat much more comfortable. See also Anne Hill - she wrote a classic sailing book (voyaging on a small income) and also recently lived on a raven... then built a new boat that was basically the same but shallow draft. When I got the raven, it felt intimidatingly large after the trailer sailor but I got used to it. People think I'm a bit crazy for sailing engineless, or at least, that I must be a very good sailor, but of course I got that way by just doing it. Normally these will have a inboard diesel engine, originally 10hp, but some upgraded to 20hp. These are all old now, and do not sell for much. I paid 12,000 in 2015, with the mooring. Which would have been one year renting a room in Auckland at the time. I havn't seen one listed for that much recently! and rent has gotten much more expensive too! These are cheap but replacing the engine wouldn't raise the resale value by very much. You'd be loosing thousands. Pretty much all the now cheap production fiberglass boats where this era and will have the same problem. However they are still small enough that it would not be unreasonable to fit an outboard. I did put an outboard bracket on mine because I reluctantly admit that the market for an engineless boat is somewhat limited, although in the hauraki gulf there is usually wind and if you wait a week it will probably be blowing the other way! Gonna see how it goes with my electric outboard when I get back there! I brought this one because it had quite good sails that had clearly been replaced by one of the recent owners. I didn't know enough to identify a good engine though! It's a good size for extended cruising for two people that get along well (such as a couple). My one has a uncommon layout that has a double berth in the saloon as well as the V berth at the front. Also a fairly roomy quarter berth! I've done a few trips with friends (4 on board for a week, really how many you can fit in the dinghy is the limit!) and several longer than that as a couple and of course a lot of solo sailing.

@dominictarrsailing .... I seen one for $2500 ... but needs front fixed, rigging and sails ... is that ok ? What are you after for your Raven ? I am in Lyttelton, wanting to learn but no experience

@@roxyknight4909 fixing up a "really cheap" beat isn't actually really cheap, because you have to factor in all the other things you'll end up spending money on, and many of those will be surprises that you don't realize at the time. Really, that is something that requires fairly significant experience. If you are learning, and on a budget, I'd really recommend starting with a smaller boat that is ready to sail away. Then once you have the hang of actually sailing a boat, move up to repairing the larger boat as the next level of challenge. It's important to be challenged, but not to take on something that is too far beyond your capabilities and resources, that will just wreck you. There are plenty of people that, for example, try to build a large boat and never finish... or people that spend years in the boat yard and never seem to go sailing

Tata island, in golden bay! Am back up north now. Nearly round north cape!

Great point about the smells!

@@dominictarrsailing Wow !

A "Fresh Express " Voyage ? How Long to Cape Reinga ?

@@michaelknuckey4405 arrived in bay of islands this afternoon. Much better run than our trip last time. I did not tack once! gybed when the SE became SW past farewell spit then again at north cape. 4 days 4 hours 28 minutes, from takaka to boi!

Hey thanks! I am back up north now, so will have to be next time! What bay are you in?

Stingray Bay

@@StingrayBay ha of course!

I am pretty confidant that my unit doee not have a circuit board underwater like that. I havnt opened then bottom yet, but i picked one with a cylendrical shaped bottom end, not a round one... which i think has a small high rev motor and planetry gear like the torquedo. My hunch is that style will be more likely to have a circuit board (its the speed control) down there. Oh also there is another channel, sv_oiysh that had that problem with a torquedo and they replaced it with a new speed controller wired in from the top

Yes i have taken friends out on it a number of times. Sailing with 2, paddling or motoring with 3. I made it slightly short (4.2m) to fit on my cat, but if you made it 4.8 (two sheets long) then that would be better

Btw, i there is a link to the plans i drew in the build video description!

Well it has a picture of a shark on it so it must be gor salt water ;)

Do you mean a diesel engine with the long driveshaft? Overkill on a boat this size and i also do not want to maintain nor pay for a deisel engine. Id much rather just wait for the right wind!

@@dominictarrsailing no no! A simple electric motor attached to a long shaft , propeller on the end.

@@markthomasson5077 ah! Yes i did consider that actually but i think this off the shelf one is easier (especually since i can take it off and put itpon something else too) a built in motor is a lot money to not be able to use it on anything else!

Of course! Why would i sail a wharram otherwise! There is a lot of invetment going into battery tech currently and its getting better quite quickly. Im sure it will become mainstream pretty soon and it will be hard to sell your petrol outboard second hand...

I have several recurring daydreams about a larger proa. But i still have lots to learn with the small one. Then i might make on three sheets (7.2m) long. Still pretty small, but there are lots of advantages to a smaller boat, such as being possible to drag up a beach, that i dont want to loose. It seems everone thinks bigger is better but bigger is more work and less fun!

@@dominictarrsailing I agree totally, I love the simplicity of the design.

@@brucedrake8645 the thing i have learnt with this boat, is that the hull is the easy part. The rig is the difficult part. You actually need to test lots of things. I built the hulls in a week, but it took most of a year to be happy with the rig, several months just to stop the thing faling down at some point each time i went sailing

Ali Express…it ain’t going to be sent back whatever

Ha well it needed to change. And how complicated could it be? I also didnt open the bottom underwater part. Thats more risky!

Well ive been cruising pretty hard 1500 miles since i got it! Of course it comes off for a passage but comes out when i arrive. So its had a lot of use already. Still, wont really know for a couple of years

Damn i was just there recently! Thats a lot of people in a small boat! I have a raven 26, pretty close to an albin vega i think, once had 5 people sleep on it! 4 fits better. Btw... the raven is looking for a new owner... id be very happy for it to go to someone who would take it on decent adventures!

Absolutely. It also amazes me what level of unrelyability people tolerate. I see people putting out in thier dinghy and the motor stopping and they have to pull start it again (and of course it doesnt go first time). Id rather row!

Sure, but i reckon even better is a proper rigid dinghy you can row. I dont understand why everone has these inflatable (deflatable) dinghies.

you are welcome thanks for watching!

I started with a trolling motor but I would consider this one a big upgrade over those. this one is about equivalent to a 2-3 hp motor

but the thing that's good about it, is that it has a non-integrated battery, which in my opinion gives you more options

Interesting... how long does that take? Ive tried to find some references to this but apart from a few forum comments i havnt found much

Depends. There are too many variables: how much sailing you do, the motion of the boat in a seaway, the sea state (chop vs long easy swell), the unsupported length and weight of cable, etc, etc. Weeks, potentially, to years. A long loop of unsupported cable that swings like a pendulum at anchor would suffer much more quickly than a short length that only shakes a cm or two when pounding to windward. I was a Navy electrician in my 20s. I should add a note: you see this effect most often in the dim masthead lights in anchorages. Long runs of cable hanging and although in conduit, the cables are usually loose within the conduit. Add spares or rope so the cables are tight in the conduit.

@@Ron-dx9wq the navy! Thanks appreciate that context! I certainly have some cables that i could pin down a bit more but my anchor lights as still bright. (Actually, so bright that someone complained once!)

​@@dominictarrsailingI reckon the biggest threats are actually high voltage especially AC or positive polarity, PVC insulation, lots of fine strands. Really don't think navy guy has a clue. You'd do great having solid aluminium bar. Must be pure Aluminium. Or even stainless cable for most purposes if it's thick enough. Ten times thicker than the copper you'd need. BTW set a new distance record with the 55 lb Neraus 5/3 22km with 600 kg of displacement tender. 1 90Ahr Starter battery, 1 40Ahr car battery, 1 28Ahr lawn tractor starter battery. All flogged for several years. 2 days to recharge in dodgy weather with 1 150W solar panel, direct connected. Used full power for 10km home trip Tauranga to Kulim park to Sawmill hunters creek Matakana island. 1.5hrs over ten km. Heavy load of supplies DEFINATELY over 600kg displacement. Heaps more range with parallel connected baterries

@@aaronfranklin324 impressive! that's with the lewis road prop cone and RC plane prop right? and shaft fairing right?