The best way to lose new potential fans and even diehard fans is make it complicated. Same with the playoffs. Simplify it. An idea I haven’t seen yet is take the 1 race and put it back in the regular season. So for playoffs have the 3 three race rounds. But instead of knockout reset it after each round. So the top 10 in regular season points automatically are in plus any driver that won a race but not in the top 10. This way you award consistency and win and your in. So for the playoffs at the start of each round the 10th place driver gets 2 points. 9th gets 4 points etc. Regular season champ would get a bonus 2 points so he would have 22 points. Every regular season win is worth 2 points. If you want to reward for winning a regular season race. So after each round the driver with the most points is given 30 points for that round 2nd gets 27 etc. Then it’s all reset for the next round. So a driver could win a round and get 30 points. Next round have bad race or two and maybe finish 5th that round and get 18 points. Come back and get 2nd last round and get 27 points. So he have 75 points for his 3 rounds. Now they can adjust the points. This is just an example. But it’s simple and 1 bad race doesn’t take you out of the playoffs and a win isn’t an automatic advancement. It is very simple and easy to understand compared to all this stage points adding to playoff points. You know where your at right from the start of each round. And nascar would still get there game seven type atmosphere plus if a driver is a win and your in he will have earned it.

Another fun qualifying ordeal is all the all-star/ Winston qualifying procedures over the years. Could probably be it's own video! the open being un televised at least once is nuts when you think about it today.

Good stuff

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15:57 do I hear sliding paper? Is that your script? 😂 Really enjoying the video so far; maybe I’ll edit this comment once I’m done

Qualifying was a big reason why the mid 2000s were so much fun. There was a prestige to it. Ryan Newman and that 12 team qualifying was a thing of beauty

Considering that with the lone exception of the Daytona 500, races never get close to the 40 car limit, NASCAR could just go back to single attempt one lap or two-lap-average qualifying. Guarantees that every car gets a bit of focused TV coverage, no weirdness. The Daytona 500 has it's own qualifying system with the duels so no need to mess with that.

Qualifying aint supposed to be exciting

Here's How I would do my Qualifying format: • No one is Safe • No more Charters and Owner Points For Short Tracks: • 3 90 Minute Practice Sessions • 2 50 Lap Heat Races • 1st Heat determines the Odd Number Starting Positions and 2nd Heat Determines the Even Number Starting Positions • 25 Cars per Heat • Random Draw to Determine who goes to which Heat • Top 18 at the end of Both Heats Make the 43 Car Field • Bottom 7 from both Heats will have an LCQ • Top 7 at the End of the LCQ will make the 43 Car on Race Day For Big Ovals: • Qualifying will be similar to Indy 500 Qualifying, Yes Bump Day Qualifying • 3 90 Minute Practice Sessions • 2 Laps of Single Car Qualifying • Top 10 at the End of Qualifying will have a Pole Shootout (2 Laps of Single Car Qualifying also) • Bottom 5 at the End of Qualifying (Positions 36th- 50th) will have an LCQ • Top 7 at the End of the LCQ makes the 43 Car Field For Road Courses: • 3 90 Minute Practice Sessions • 2 Groups (25 Cars per Group) • 1st Group (15 minutes), 2nd Group (15 minutes) • Top 5 from both Groups will have a 10 minute Pole Shootout • Top 18 from Both Groups make the 43 Car Field • Bottom 7 from Both Groups will have an LCQ • Top 7 at the End of the LCQ Make the 43 Car Field on Race Day (10 minutes) And Here's what I would do for the Daytona 500 Qualifying: • The 1st Friday of Feb - Sunday is Daytona 500 Practice and Xfinity and Truck Practice • The Next Saturday (8 Days Later) is Daytona 500 Single Car Qualifying, Top 10 at the end of Single Car Qualifying will Have a 2 Lap Pole Shootout • The Following Day is The Twin 125 Races, for Positions 11th - 50th, Duel 1 Will Determine the Odd Number Starting Positions, Duel 2 Will Determine the Even Number Starting Positions, there will be a Random Draw to Determine who Goes to Each Duel • Top 13 at the End of Each Duel Race makes the Daytona 500 Field, Bottom 7 from Each Heat will have an LCQ • Top 7 at the End of the LCQ makes the 43 Car Field for the Daytona 500

Multiple rounds of qualifying goes all the way back to 1949. At Langhorne the top two were set in the first round, the second row on the second day (with Fonty Flock being over a second and a half faster than the pole sitter), and fifth on back set on the third day. The Southern 500 went to the absolute extreme, having 15 days of qualifying, each day setting five of the 75 starters. Provisionals were first used in 1976. Originally only two per race, increased to four in 1995 after Dale Jarrett DNQ'd at North Wilkesboro before winning the next race. Then upped to seven for '98. There were also Winston West provisionals for the Winston West combo races at Riverside, Sears Point and Phoenix. They also decided to give Ricky Craven a Winston West provisional at Phoenix in '97 after he ran out of regular provisionals. Last season's owner points carrying over for the first five races wasn't always the case. For most of the '90's they covered the first four races, and in the '80's they only covered the first two. The charters weren't given to the top 36 in points, they went to teams that had attempted every race for the last three years. That's why 31st in points Cole Whitt in Front Row's #35 and 33rd place Landon Cassill in Circle Sport's #40 didn't get charters, while BK Racing's #23 in 40th and Go FAS Racing's #32 in 41st did.

Great vid! Would love for you to go over some paint scheme/driver switchups or changes or something along those lines

I always thought the easiest way to do qualifying is make an hour practice session and take times from that session for qualifying. 2 birds with 1 stone.

If you’re going to have an overly complicated points system to determine the champion, you obviously need to have a overly complicated qualifying format to go with it.

Didn’t know they used to have second chance qualifying for so long

is it too much for every driver to run 1 lap and the fastest is the winner?

W vid

Tired of hearing about points systems and the charter lawsuit? Well then sit back and enjoy 30 minutes of nascar qualifying history and controversies

The skid marks at @10:46 made me think my screen was cracked 😅😂

Minor spelling error 🤓

Actually Decker and Dauzat (and probably Lyons as well) didn't retire due to a crash

@ 0:40...Can someone please talk about why Kyle Busch had to just embarrass the entire field like that? 13 wins?!?! With a 45% winning rate hahha I FUCKING LOVE IT! Just showing up for trophies every single week whatta dawg

You know I find it funny how he doesn't mention Tony Stewart's last championship and the fact that in the last race of the season every driver let him pass so he can get to the front but he doesn't mention that right cuz it's probably one of his favorite drivers so he won't mention that Tony Stewart's last championship was a fluke

When Aric Almirola had to give up his seat for Denny Hamlin (after one of the worst debris cautions of all time mind you), that's when NASCAR should have done something.

My parents knew Steven Leicht. He bowled in the same league as them. I saw him bowl a perfect game once.

Wreaky spinhouse again. Go figure

Top10 drivers after 26. 10 races most points wins championship.cmon nascar stop being clowns.

I've seen every NASCAR KZbinr said the same thing every year that the playoffs are stupid and it's unfair to the teams and it's unfair to the drivers and the fans don't even like it i definitely get it but still you guys should already know right now that NASCAR is not going to get rid of the playoffs because of the TV networks plus NASCAR is just going to defend it anyway like you guys are really talking to a wall when it comes to complain about NASCARs playoffs system and you already know that we are never going back to regular season format okay guys so we might as well just get used to it.

7:22 Your logic is so Flawed its unreal. Why is the best Driver over the whole Year winning a bad thing ? Just because newman wondoesimes doesnt mean he is the rightful champion he didnt even finish 2nd!

5:14 its not a glaw is the guy with the best Avg finish all year Won. That was the point. Just because you have more wins or top 5/10's shouldnt automatically make you champion its about finishing the best OVERALL

I wish they would mix the latford with the playoffs and let points decide who advances then you can have the final four battle the last race. That way the final 4 are the 4 best cars all season

The problem with the playoffs is that someone could literally win 35/36 races and lose the Championship

Great video, well said.

I will say crashing the Israel car is a W

Said it in 2015, saying it now....Kyle Busch did NOT deserve that title. 1. He missed 11 races. Of course NASCAR gave him the 'waiver' as they knew he's a dominant driver & would win a race or 2. 2. That was the tail end of the pre-charter era. You were in if you won & were in the Top 30 in points. You look at the 26th-38th place drivers in the Series that year, even had Busch not made the playoff, he'd easily been Top 25 at least. They wanted to make sure he was in the conversation & not get crap from the fans. Almirola would have been in if not for that 'waiver', but more than likely, would have been out Round of 16. The waiver is understandable, but if you miss more than like 7, 8 races, it should be ineligible. Not just a free pass because 'oh, they win several races a year' or 'oh, it's because he's an (insert team here) driver. Fans may dislike the playoff era, but it's got entertainment value. What IF the 1-car team wins the 500 or a rando road course race, & has some solid consistency low-key each week? What if we finally get more than 16 winners by the 26th race (not saying 26 single winners, but like if there were 3-4 multi win teams, but 13-16 others who win 1 race? it'll make for interesting moments). This year has been unique so far. Add in a driver winning & being 'DQ'd' for pulling what their contemporaries have done in years past (some who got no reprimands whatsoever...Hamlin, Logano, Busch in years past, looking at you), it'll add for some fuel to the fire this year.

You don't know how good you've had it until it's gone. People hated the long season points format, now they want it back. But at least the playoffs format how allowed us to appreciate just how legitimate the old formats were. For a format that was supposed to be entertaining, while rewarding consistency and dominance, the playoffs managed to accomplish neither. All they had to do was give first place more points.

I used to follow the sport every single weekend under the old format because a championship was a season long thing that was very interesting to watch play out because every race mattered. Now all you have to do is tune into the last 20 laps of the last race to watch 4 guys who by chance made it to the final round.

The reason why I like the latford system was because it was simple. Drives get points, most points at the end of the season win, end of story. I didn’t mind the chase, but I wish nascar had simply made a 10-20 point difference for places 1-10 and 5 for everyone else.

One of the funniest complaints I've seen with the current playoff system is that a driver could win the first 35 races, finish 2nd in the championship race and lose the championship. Technically, this could also happen with the latford system as well.

I absolutely hated the latford system at the time and so did many other fans. The Chase for the Cup helped a little bit but it didn't prioritize anything from the regular season except consist race finishes. Since the stage racing era began in 2017, we have a good balance of regular season importance, playoff performance, wins, and of course excitement.

I thought the NHRA used a "Countdown to the Championship" for years. Did they go back to a full-season points format? (I don't follow drag racing. I only know because I used to watch Ultimate23Dragon's videos, and I remember her complaining in a video about NASCAR's move to the original elimination playoff format, saying that NASCAR was taking a page from the NHRA's book.)

Fixed points was the best version. It SHOULD be all about consistency.

Every time they change the points system, it sucks worse.

The playoff system they have now to me seems purely for ratings, not what's best for the sport. Plus, just resetting everyone for the chase or playoff is like stopping a marathon to get the top runners back together for the last mile to hash it out 😤 lol. Ruins all the hard work 1st place did to have a big lead

No auto racing points system has ever been all that great.

Questioning Terry Labonte's championships because of his "lack of winning". Texas Terry won because of consistency, not race wins.

This is why I'm keeping track of my own points system this year. It's a marriage of Elimination Style, the Latford System, and the "Wild Card" Format used in the early "Chase for the Sprint Cup" years.

My idea for a new format: Divide the 36 season races into 9 blocks of 4 races each. In each block, points are awarded for stages and results in each race according to the current system. At the end of each 4-race block, the following points are awarded to the best 10 drivers (with the most points in the block): 22 - 18 - 15 - 12 - 10 - 8 - 6 - 4 - 2 - 1 Plus 2 bonus points for each race win in the block. So a driver can collect 30 points per block at maximum. The champion is then the driver who has collected the most block points at the end of the year.

Am I gonna say that postseason formats are good in Nascar? Not really, but I still believe that every championship in the sports history is equally legitimate (aside from Kyle Busch in 2015). Every driver knows what the rules are, and drive with a different mindset compared to other formats. So while I do completely understand why people would think that some championships aren’t as legitimate as others, I respectfully disagree.