Also, I commented onetime before about being careful to not create stress risers when sanding the center spar element. Sanding should be linear with the direction of the extrusion and not across the extrusion. In my mind the fit of the spar elements should be better addressed by the factory, those parts should be factory pre-fit.
@SkyFunChannel3 күн бұрын
I really wish they were. The only time efficient (and inexpensive) way to reduce the material (roughly 3 hundredths) was sanding with high grit, high speed, lengthwise, then smoothing it with an orbital (and by hand) with 220 and 400 grit sandpaper. Very labor intensive. If I had it to do again, I’d build a rotating jig to automate sanding before bolting it on the frame.
@johnnyjohnson67714 күн бұрын
I hope you are not using your so called managery for final alignment of the angle of incidence. Your setup is too short coupled. I suggest you use angle type aluminum extrusion or other perfectly straight elements x2 full chord width and use actual math calculations to determine the angle or a highly precision angle measuring device besides a cheap carpenters square with a bubble level. Furthermore it appears that your leading edge location as neutral position for the mean chord line is not in proper position(could be camera angle). Somewhere in your past vides I think I saw where you have 3d printing technology, if you have CAD skills then you could plot the airfoil in CAD and 3D print a piece to locate said leading edge position. I've been following your build for along time now and I appreciate all the detail you put into your videos. Thanks!
@SkyFunChannel3 күн бұрын
The straight edge was placed according to the drawings. I realize there may have been some slight sag. Eventually I’ll borrow the tool or pay one of the A&Ps to ensure the angle is correct. The nice thing about the design is it’s very easy to adjust.
@smithius022023 күн бұрын
Awesome! Any way to have a 1 piece windshield? The center bar bothers me.
@SkyFunChannel22 күн бұрын
There is no center bar with this kit. The windshield is one thick piece of plexiglass.
@smithius022022 күн бұрын
@SkyFunChannel Thanks for the clarification. Does this particular model, "4C" need the fuselage extension modification or do you think the cabin length is adequate for 2 adults in the rear seats? I have been interested in BD4 for a while. I'm retired now and am getting closer to getting started.
@SkyFunChannel22 күн бұрын
Like all smaller aircraft it’ll depend on weight and balance. It has about 1100 pound useful load so four adults that aren’t too heavy is doable. I’m not even planning to build the rear seats and instead will be building out a larger cargo area. Building it with the extension is pretty simple as I believe it’s just an extension between the fuselage and tail sections. You’ll probably want a larger engine if you build an extended one. There are a few people who’ve done it on bd-4.org forums.
@smithius022022 күн бұрын
@@SkyFunChannel That makes sense. I appreciate your thoughts. I think the prospect of keeping an ever aging used certified aircraft maintained will eventually cross an economic line that I won't be able to achieve. I think a proven, new, experimental might be the way to go. BD4 seems like a faster leaner albeit rougher interior version of a C182.
@JPMurphy-e8b29 күн бұрын
Only a handful of bolts holding the center section spar .Why not remove it and remove excess material in a lathe .Or make a simple tool to spin the center section and sand it that way.
@SkyFunChannel29 күн бұрын
I can't justify buying a large enough lathe for this one thing. I've match drilled the holes for bolting them together and pulled the wing back off. Luckily the residue from the inside of the wing spar rubbed off and showed exactly where the high spots are (just a few near the bottom) so I can sand it smoth with much finer grit sandpaper and apply some LPS-3 before slipping it back on.
@johnnyjohnson6771Ай бұрын
Your going to ruin the center spar with ultra coarse sandpaper. Can anyone say stress risers?
@SkyFunChannel29 күн бұрын
I'm removing the wing and sanding it thoroughly with 400 grit and applying LPS-3 before putting it back on. This first video was just getting the thing on.
@RansflyyyerАй бұрын
I really felt for you on this one..........
@JPMurphy-e8bАй бұрын
My spars were .030 to .050 out of round . I had to have then straightened before i started the wings.
@SkyFunChannelАй бұрын
I forgot to measure with a caliper before I pushed the wing on but that's likely about what I removed. I measured about 1/3 of the way and it was down a little over 0.01.
@jeffreybaker7149Ай бұрын
This is cool to watch, I would however caution skipping the grease on the spar not because you need the lubrication but because the grease would have a corrosion protection value. I would think about using an LPS-3 corrosion inhibiting grease there for that purpose.
@SkyFunChannelАй бұрын
Good point. I need to remove it to place the nuts for the final install so that will be a good time to do it.
@SamDoolittleАй бұрын
I have been cautioned to never use teflon tape on fuel lines but rather use something like EZ turn lubricant.
@JPMurphy-e8bАй бұрын
Correction i flew the plane till 1994
@JPMurphy-e8bАй бұрын
I Built a B D 4 back in 1973 and flew it until 2024 . I bought the wing spars from a builder that gave up his project and sold the parts. I made form blocks and hydroformed aluminum ribs and made a metal wing back when they were using fiberglass panel ribs. The wing worked so well that i ended up selling kits for the metal wing.
@SkyFunChannelАй бұрын
Very cool! I do get a lot of comments when people stop by the hangar about the honeycomb aluminum ribs. I'm hoping to have both wings on by the end of the year.
@JPMurphy-e8bАй бұрын
Like your Videos
@vasicpАй бұрын
Are you sure you can build the whole other wing, run all the wiring and tubing, seal it, sand it and prime it ON the plane, up high? Would it not be easier to finish it on a jig, at an accessible height, and then recruiting a few friends or neighbours one Sunday afternoon (perhaps with a promise of some pizza/burgers and beer), to help lift it in place and slide it onto the centre spar? We don't have much online info from others' experiences, but if Art's blog is any indication, sliding it onto the spar went quite well once he got the crew ready to help. To be fair, Art finished his wings first, with the help of Bede's workshop assistance. What I'm thinking is, building a wing takes quite many days; sliding it onto the plane, once you get enough people to help, just a few hours. By the way, before starting to build the wing, have you tried sliding the wing spar onto the centre spar first? Just to check how tight the fit may be. Art spent a lot of time honing the inside of the wing spar in order to make it fit, since neither spar was perfectly circular (both were slightly oval, and of course, the angle of the oval didn't match). Here's his blog post about it: cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/2013/12/08/wings-fit/
@SkyFunChannelАй бұрын
It is definitely a trade-off. Part of the difficulty is finding enough folks who are both physically able and available, even with pizza bribery lol. I didn't realize how tight the fit was until I started trying to mate them. I want it free enough that it can be easily removed, as well as rotated in place, at least with some effort and lubrication. Rough guess is I need to remove about 0.005 to 0.01 off the center spar to get it to fit. I've sanded quite a bit and can get it on now with a lot of force but until I remove a bit more it would never come off. I'm using an orbital sander which is slower than a low grit sanding wheel on an angle grinder but I'm deathly afraid of it digging in and wrecking it. I don't really mind using a ladder to work on the wing. I need the exercise anyway.
@uygarbocutoglu4465Ай бұрын
Looking forward in excitement
@nikola-aeroАй бұрын
I like the quality of your work
@SkyFunChannelАй бұрын
Thanks!
@one4flight2 ай бұрын
Did you seal the L-brackets on the rear false spar?
@SkyFunChannelАй бұрын
Yes, very liberally.
@mobsquad85002 ай бұрын
Great work…working on my bd now…thank you. Need to do new wings…
@ndenise34602 ай бұрын
Use a hair dryer to heat the glue on the plastic
@ndenise34602 ай бұрын
Bottom of fuel cell ribs to allow fuel to transfer to the sump..I couldn't see any
@SkyFunChannel2 ай бұрын
There are several 1/2 inch holes along the bottom of the two inside ribs. May not be super obvious from the camera angle. There will be a little less than 1/4 inch of fuel in the two outside cells that won’t be usable.
@ndenise34602 ай бұрын
Silly question. But were there notches on botto.
@SkyFunChannel2 ай бұрын
Not sure what you mean. Could you elaborate?
@TheMrProbasco3 ай бұрын
I used to work in a sign shop and had to peel tons of plastic. Roll it, don’t peel by pulling.
@SkyFunChannel3 ай бұрын
Did you use a rod or something? I was sort of grabbing it a little at a time sort of pulling it back with my fingers. It would be good to know for the other wing!
@TheMrProbasco3 ай бұрын
@@SkyFunChannel We would grab the corner, and stick it into a ball and then use the ball to roll onto itself, so you've got something to pull on with the big wad of sticky plastic.
@Logan-ce2uh3 ай бұрын
I know I’m being a bit selfish! But I was going through withdrawals waiting for video number 30 PS great job much appreciated
@SkyFunChannel3 ай бұрын
Haha thanks yeah life gets in the way of building a plane sometimes :). I'm planning to publish shorter videos more often so they don't get to be so long.
@VVV-AVIATION3 ай бұрын
Where i can get this app?
@SkyFunChannel3 ай бұрын
Sorry for the late reply. Unfortunately I haven't had time to update the app to the latest Android version so it eventually got removed from the Google Play store. I think there isan APK on the SkyFun website but it may not be current. When I have time I eventually plan on overhauling it to be sort of a simple VFR EFB but that's a ways off.
@TheOwenMajor5 ай бұрын
With the news that the BD-4C is being sold to a company that sounds like it has no interest with kits, will this affect anything?
@SkyFunChannel5 ай бұрын
The only thing that has changed from a builder's/buyer's perspective is that the kits will be provided by Bede, owned by a parent company that governs the kits and the fully loaded SureWings BD-4CS. They are two different entities which is a good thing. Neither interferes with the other. I've spoken with Atilla (the SureWings owner) several times and you couldn't ask for a better representative of the BD-4 community. I think this new structure is a very good thing for everyone.
@mobsquad85005 ай бұрын
Amazing work…I love the thought on the alternate to the nut plate…I should be picking up a bd4 this month, I plan to use your landing light mode. It’s perfect.
@SkyFunChannel5 ай бұрын
Thanks! I'll try to get skyfun.space updated soon and put a link to the files there.
@mobsquad85006 ай бұрын
You are great…!! If I were you…example…the wing light…I would make with nut plates or equivalent, or a way it comes out as an assembly…I.E. you said 50k hours, (I just replaced one, initial installation 2016)…or damaged or, or, or…from a A&P point of view it would make it easier. Hahahahaha. Just saying, you do a lot of analysis & amazingness!!! Really cool..thank you for putting this out!
@SkyFunChannel6 ай бұрын
Yes I actually thought about that exact thing. I may go ahead and get an extra set in case that specific model gets discontinued, or the company goes out of business. I'm planning on making a thick strip of polycarbonate that holds the nuts in place so I can continue to use the bolts that came with the lights (they fit so nicely). It will be impossible to remove them without something holding the nuts in place. Good call!
@enesmails91936 ай бұрын
I’m looking to buy a Bede-4; do you have a owners/builders group I can talk to about an inspection? Thanks, Gene
@SkyFunChannel6 ай бұрын
There are several experienced builders at forum.bd4.org that should be able to answer any questions you might have.
@benhansen63087 ай бұрын
Could you do a good detail on the frame where the tail inserts and attaches? I have a new vertical tail, and the builds vary...
@SkyFunChannel7 ай бұрын
One of the earlier videos showed how the two spars are bolted onto the frame. On my kit, the gusset for the front spar was about 3/4 inch too far forward so I had to modify it in order for the front spar to line up.
@IIIwke7 ай бұрын
I can’t wait to see a finished plane! This is an amazing series! Thank you so much for spending the time to film, edit, and post.
@SkyFunChannel7 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm hoping to start taxi testing before Christmas.
@dmaier9087 ай бұрын
So did you take down the app? I really like it but it's not on the Google Play store? Anyways to get the app?
@SkyFunChannel7 ай бұрын
I didn't remove it but Google updated the minimum hardware requirements and the app really needs an overhaul so I let it lapse. I intend on eventually updating the app but all my time is consumed with building my plane right now. I may have the APK on one of my old computers that I can put on the Sky Fun website but it will take a little while.
@branislavb99078 ай бұрын
What kind of glue you used for wing ribs and tube?
@SkyFunChannel8 ай бұрын
I used Pro-Seal PS-90 that came with the BD-4 kit. It normally cures within a few days but at cold temperatures it cures extremely slowly.
@JEMPL279 ай бұрын
Lexan better than plexiglass, it is stronger and more Cristal clear.
@JEMPL279 ай бұрын
Please please, one day have someone make a whole series of your video-documented work. Your videos are gem for those that understand what a Bede 4C is. I am so proud of you!!!
@SkyFunChannel8 ай бұрын
Thanks! It might not be a bad idea to condense them down to just the essentials one day.
@gtownrojo19 ай бұрын
You're an idiot.
@Coyotehello9 ай бұрын
You are going to love that plane, my friend had one we had great fun/memory with it. Are you building the short wing version? What engine are you putting in? Cheers, a.
@SkyFunChannel9 ай бұрын
I’m building it with the stock all metal wings. There are a few out there with extended wings but cruise speed is the highest priority for this plane. I’m installing a ULPower UL520iS (200hp, no turbo). It’s sitting in the big wooden box in the latest videos. I’m waiting on a mount for it that should be coming soon.
@Coyotehello9 ай бұрын
@@SkyFunChannel We/he had a Lycoming 320, with standard wings but the plan was to put short wings on it. Some guys had part in AB for Bede's.
@JEMPL279 ай бұрын
@@SkyFunChannelGosh my man! UL Power is a great choice!
@electoplater9 ай бұрын
methelene chloride will dissolve that foam in seconds
@SkyFunChannel9 ай бұрын
Turned out acetone dissolves it pretty quickly as well.
@cptburris11 ай бұрын
You are making great progress with the plane and your video skills are improving.
@SkyFunChannel9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@acobra6711 ай бұрын
Cool to see the wing ribs going on the spar tube. Keep on trucking!
@SkyFunChannel9 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍!
@marvinsimonetti731811 ай бұрын
Ive been trying to get this to work on my raspberry pi for a while now and I am having all sorts of problems. This could be because of my lack of knowledge with the project. I was wondering if you could provide an instructional video of how to install this. I have a raspberry pi 4 with stratus already on it and would like to use that.
@SkyFunChannel11 ай бұрын
It's been quite a while since I've done anything with that, but the source code is still available on GitHub if you want to try to get it working that way.
@marvinsimonetti731811 ай бұрын
I've seen it on GitHub but I've had some problems with the qt drivers and libraries. @@SkyFunChannel
@MobettahGogettah11 ай бұрын
What was the final skeptical issue with decision to forego the Viking?
@SkyFunChannel9 ай бұрын
It comes down to cooling. No one has installed this engine before and all of the cooling options are highly experimental. I really wanted to use that engine but I don’t want to spend another several months finding a cooling solution that isn’t as draggy or less draggy than an air cooled engine.
@eco-beehive11 ай бұрын
Hi.. firts , realy like your style of vidio, and your content. My question if I may? WHy bolt everything together, and not rivert? hope to hear from you. Kevin H
@SkyFunChannel11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your interest. Details on why are probably best found on the Bede website at jimbede.com. What I can say is that it makes the frame easier to build and is extremely strong.
@colingorton508311 ай бұрын
Just been catching up on your build , would be interested to know why you havent gone with the Viking engine and stayed with the UL , my feeling with that is the UL being a dedicated Aircraft engine the repair and parts availability would be expensive and how easy are parts to get ,Viking Being Honda parts are about every where, also Aeromomentum being suzuki outboard based have a 200hp ( I think ) those two being geared would have better prop efficency .other than that it looks like your doing a bang up job of the build
@SkyFunChannel11 ай бұрын
I was planning on the Viking all along but when it came time to spend serious money (and time to install), it came down to cooling and drag. There are a couple designs a few builders are working on for a non-draggy cooling solution, but none of them are proven yet and I just don’t want to spend a lot of extra time designing a one-off cooling solution that may not perform as expected, and at best will be on par with an air-cooled solution. Those are all valid concerns but in the end I’m willing to risk those for a much simpler install. The big Aeromomentum hasn’t flown in anything yet that I’m aware of and I just don’t want to be the first lol. I’ll be pairing it to a Duc Cobra 3-blade ground adjustable prop.
@matthewb6679 Жыл бұрын
Do you happen to have the measurement that would be needed to allow the seats to recline further? Unless you may have found a way to mount them differently? I plan to put seats like these as well. I'm 6' so hoping these will work for me.
@SkyFunChannel Жыл бұрын
If you moved them together so the recline release handles were very close together, they would probably clear but then the seats wouldn't be centered at the neutral position of the sticks. If I find I want to recline them, I'll cut a notch and reinforce it with steel. If you can find similar seats that don't bulge out at the top and maybe sit a little lower that would be ideal. I'm 5'11" and can clear the wing spar but just barely.
@murphylc Жыл бұрын
The primer you are rolling on is Eastwood..? What is the putty you used to fill the slight imperfections in the stabilator skin? Thanks
@SkyFunChannel Жыл бұрын
Yes the primer is Eastwood 2-part epoxy primer. I believe I used JB Weld metalized epoxy for the small dings.
@Aircraftmovementarea Жыл бұрын
Hey Sky Fun your videos are helping me Build an old original kit I just got. Thanks for the help and motivation!
@SkyFunChannel Жыл бұрын
Happy to know they're of some help. I'm hoping to have it flying this summer. Be sure to post your progress on the forum or on Facebook!
@Ronzola1 Жыл бұрын
I can’t wait to see this thing completed! I have a question and a comment about the seats though. I believe you would be well served to limit the travel of your seat tracks. You wouldn’t want to get in the air and find out your passenger moved the seat forward enough to limit the movement of the stick. My question is, do you think the width of the upper part of the seats will interfere with visibility, or the closing of the doors?
@SkyFunChannel Жыл бұрын
That's a good point. I'll need to reform the release handles which solves the normal position (for roughly average height) but with one of the seats full forward that may make pulling all the way back difficult. As for the upper part, they are clear of the edge by an inch or two. The high seat sides are very close to the edge but won't interfere with the door. The seats won't fully recline due to the bulge at the top not clearing the aluminum angle but if that's ever an issue, that can be rectified with a cutout for it and reinforcing it with a steel brace. Unless I really need that I'm not going to bother though.
@Ronzola1 Жыл бұрын
I was really more concerned about visibility.
@SkyFunChannel Жыл бұрын
They will block the smaller rear windows somewhat, but those windows weren't very useful in the Cherokee I had before, so I'm not really concerned.
@acobra67 Жыл бұрын
Inch by inch.... it's getting closer. Ready to see that UL power plant mounted up!
@SkyFunChannel Жыл бұрын
I'm still working on getting a mount made. Bede dropped support for ULPower and am having to have it made by ULPower. I may give up and start asking around locally. Communications with distributors are really slow.
@barrywood5357 Жыл бұрын
Nice to see sir keep going
@nikola-aero Жыл бұрын
neat work
@GrantOakes Жыл бұрын
What is the size of the aluminum angle for the aft fuselage section? Looks like 1-1/2"X1-1/2"X1/8"
@SkyFunChannel Жыл бұрын
Yes that's correct. Some connecting sections are 1x1x1/8".
@GrantOakes Жыл бұрын
@@SkyFunChannel i like the Basic idea of the truss design with a thin skin over it. I'm designing a single seat plane similar to the SD-1 Minisport but it'll be made with carbon fiber.
@acobra67 Жыл бұрын
Great to see you're still moving on. I think your plan to change the stick angles will work out good for now, but I wouldn't be surprised if you don't find yourself redoing them again once you've flown it a few times to see where your sticks are 'neutral' for flat stable flight. Thinking you might have to build some custom bent sticks as you've now changed the neutral positions/angles, but only time will tell once it's in the air. Good work and don't get too hot; this summer has been brutal. Can't wait to see how she flies with that UL engine!
@SkyFunChannel Жыл бұрын
That could be. They'd be impossible to use as-is (from Bede without modification), at least with the seats I chose. I have the moly to do them for real now so I'll include that bit in the next video. Engine is still several weeks out and the aftermarket oil cooler I purchased is even further out. It's starting to cool off here in northern Virginia so hopefully the worst of it is past.