Thank you sir . Just starting out will take your advice.

join a flying club, purchase your ground courses during christmas seasons, purchase your pilot supplies 2nd hand, purchase a 2nd hand air band scanner in order to monitor your local airport traffic...after private consider Glider rating and/or CFI Sport

Nice video. As a CFI, I have always felt that part 61 primary students should, at least, complete their ground school course and ideally their FAA written exam before soloing. I’ve never enforced that, but have always encouraged it. In addition to shortening the overall time it takes to get their ticket, students often get stuck on the “paperwork” and end up dropping out because they ultimately don’t want to make that level of commitment. There are a lot of students that have 30 or so hours in and walk away because they don’t like the paperwork. They have to embrace the whole package….ground and flight training…and if they can’t or won’t, they can’t get through it. A significant part of the 70% + dropout rate is the perceived “obstacle” presented by ground study and the associated tests.

Great video!

I've encountered various situations during my flight training, with the most significant being the aircraft's maintenance requirements. It's important to understand that every aircraft needs to undergo maintenance and a 100-hour inspection every hundred hours of flight. Additionally, there's an annual inspection to consider. I’m fortunate to live near Indianapolis, Indiana, where several flight schools are available. I split my classes among three different airports, attending three different flying schools and working with three different Certified Flight Instructors (CFIs). This approach allowed me to train on various aircraft, which has expanded my flying options. While most of my training was focused on the Cessna 172, I also received instruction in the Piper Archer and Cirrus SR20. I'm checking out every aircraft available at the schools. Moreover, I joined an air club, which offers discounts on rentals. Now that I'm familiar with a wider range of aircraft, I have more opportunities and can rent any available plane from the school. And yes, I took my private check right with 80 hours and I did it in six months, now I’m working in my instrument rating 😅 also the flight to that I went, they offer me a flying club membership and with the subscription which include the Cessna private pilot online course from Kings, that’s how I did my private, so there are some good school out there,

Currently finishing my CFI initial…this is a great video! Just some things I can be aware of and mindful as I take on students. Thanks for this vid!

Hi everyone. Im having issues finding flight schools around my area (Springfield IL). The closest flight school to me that I can find is 50 minutes away. Any resources available to help me find more schools?

Great advice!

I love the people that say you must fly 4 days a week at $300 a pop. That’s $4,800 a month. That’s just unrealistic for most people that have rent, car payment, and kids to come up with that kind of money, and most young adults don’t even make remotely close to that an entire month of working.

Might have to take advantage of those Sporty’s deals. Zulu 3’s for the wife so she doesn’t take mine and the bigger Sentry to upgrade my Mini.

The checklist is not a scam. Rather, it’s the school policy that is a scam.

happy you took the stand awesome.

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Yeah, that's pretty goofy advice. I'm only an armchair simulator pilot (x-plane). But if I got hit in the face by Kaity, I'd find it kinky and wind up making a pass at her once we got on the ground. Probably, knowing this, I'd try to get her to hit me in the face by faking a "lock up". But if I male instructor did that, I'd probably flash boil and the plane would crash anyway as I proceeded to pummel him. If I managed to keep my hands to myself after that by exercising self-control, police and my lawyer would be involved. I'd be pissed. That's battery in my state, and no jury is going to care about any of this CFI "locking up" talk. There is no exemption in the law for that. Nor will the police care about all this CFI talk. That said, I can't imagine "locking up" at the controls doing basic maneuvers. Even stall training, etc. Maybe if I wound up in IMC suddenly and my CFI then had heart failure, leaving me blind and clueless and by myself, I might "lock up".

Knowing nothing about these two channels, I assumed she gave some bad airmanship advice you wanted to correct. And the video opens up with talking about kicking someone's ass... Didn't know that was an aviation skill.

based on your one video I've seen, I'll never watch your videos again

in hang gliding tandems the inexperienced one on a ride will sometimes take a death grip on the control bar....the pilot must do anything they can to get their grip off the control bar ....you may not like what she said but people freeze, in life and death you need to do what is needed to get them off the controls....your video is out of place

As a CFII, ASMEL, 2,000 hours dual given, I’ve never come close to needing to lay hands on a student. The calm that a seasoned instructor exudes reassures the student to the point that there is little to no chance of panic gripping the controls. A student that has panicked is the result of an instructor’s negligence by pushing the student too quickly or not making sure the student understands the situation 100% and is calm when attempting to emulate the instructor’s motions. This instructor, having to resort to physical violence on more than one occasion, demonstrates her lack of communication skills and her lack of instructional expertise. Not a good instructor.

Having been both a student and an instructor as well as having about 3 decades of experience in a multi crew cockpit I can say I have never hit or been hit. That being said I wouldn't say that its an outlandish idea exactly. I can imagine scenarios where it may necessary. However, it should be exceedingly rare and if it's happened to you more than once in a career there is something wrong.

I think you took her comment the wrong way, what she described was a "tool" in her "toolbox" that could be employed if all else failed. Now, a CFI/CFII letting things progress to that point is another conversation - but I could see how it might be needed and a CFI/CFII should be prepared for all situations. Battery/assault vs immanent death? I'll take the assault route EVERY time. And you should too, Joe.

The comment professionals know exactly what they would do. Hit ‘em, knife hand em, dip a wing, most likely die if y’all are in a plane with a student doing near ground activities with someone you haven’t evaluated yet. Here’s my comment professional advice if you made it this far: Don’t start with pattern work, start high aloft, lots of emergency floor, let them screw up royally and practice the exchange of controls many many many times which no one does. Then when you’ve evaluated their natural abilities and poise, take them into more stressful situations. My students have frozen up but have never locked us into a situation where we’re going to die in moments. Also, go to the freaking gym people, man or woman get some strength and ability behind your limbs so you can assert some force. If you’re a twig flight instructing is going to be awfully dangerous with the wrong student. Think about it before you accept a student on your roster. Your 110 pound female and they’re a 45 y.o. 260 pound man, you’re not over powering that in an emergency situation. Set minimums for yourself

I’m not a CFI, but I am a low time private pilot. One would hope a CFI doesn’t let a situation develop to a point where a student is about to crash the aircraft within seconds. And honestly, if I did that and a CFI popped me in the nose to get me to let go, I’d thank them for saving our lives and seek a through debrief on what I did wrong so I don’t get popped in the nose again, lol.

So your plan is to eliminate your vertical lift component in an emergency situation, and hope the twist of the yoke throws out the hands of the student, then take controls and reverse your initial input and lower the nose at the same time? I feel like your plan could go wrong faster than the hit or block their face technique. Note I believe in the original video it is first mentioned to cover their eyes with something first. The hit in the face is for the emergency situation two seconds from disaster.

How about prebriefing this as a part of the ride. Reach agreement that when I say "I have the controls" you place feet on the floor and hands in lap. practice it a few times on ground. Talk about the new sensations they may experience and that you will never place them in danger as you are riding right next to them. The seeding of this information will go a long way to preventing full fear lock. I'm not discounting your technique (which is very good) but the psychology of fear begins with lack of information. All this assault/karate stuff is insane.

Completely disagree with you and think you owe PilotKatie an apology for trying to “call her out”. First off, no matter which state you are in, as the PIC CFI responsible for the safety of the flight, you are WELL within you rights and authority to put hands on a student if that student’s actions are very likely to endanger the lives of those onboard. THIS IS NOT BATTERY. This is the CFI attempting to save lives. Second of all, I’m sure your “dip” technique works in practice with someone trying to demonstrate “this works” until your sudden control movement in an actual power on stall now causes a spin into the ground. Third, it’s great for you, a man of significant size, to say this, but tell that 120 pound female CFI to do this against a man of your size locked up in oversaturation. You end up just as the two females Katie referenced, dead. I have mostly thought your content to be decent, not great, but decent enough to follow. You are significantly in the wrong here both in content and in “style”. If you disagree with another prominent aviation enthusiast, great….. put out a video along the lines of “recently there have been videos demonstrating techniques I disagree with….” You don’t call out by name unless what that person is putting out is super egregious and will get a pilot killed. You are very much in the wrong with this video on multiple fronts and owe a public apology.

1) you don't seem to be aware of a couple accidents that occurred (Lift Academy in Indianapolis) where all other causes were ruled out and student lockup was believed to be the primary cause of fatalities, both student and instructor 2) your example of dipping a wing with aileron does nothing to unlock their legs if pegging a rudder pedal, but now you're in a full spin. The quadricep is the largest muscle in the human body. 3) I'm no lawyer but I really doubt anyone is going to get charged with battery and if they did, a reasonable judge would evaluate her actions in the proper context and a self-defense argument would likely have merit 4) you're giving a combination of woman-hater and drama queen. it's not a great look dude.

Love seeing the Gamecock helmet in the background!

this is the type of CFI I'm looking for

I'm a Gold Seal CFI, have signed-off students for every airplane rating available, and have over 2000 hours instructing. 5500tt. Two type-ratings. Have never hit a student, or felt I needed too. Amateurs.

You're right! That's the dumbest flight Instruction I've ever heard. If "I've got the controls" doesn't work that student shouldn't be flying.

And let me add this comment to my last post below. I promise I am not attacking you at all but I honestly feel you're giving horrible advice with the bank idea. Low, slow, high AOA and now add a steep bank. No sir. You have brought something to light that I never thought about. Perhaps this is a good thing to discuss with a student or anyone else that a pilot lets take the controls that if they freeze up you will do what ever you have to do to save the day up to and including taking Ms. Katies advice of a karate shop to the nose. Better that the alternative of crashing. God bless Mr. Joe. Thanks for bringing this up.

I am not an instructor but I have 1600+ hours time. I have to TOTALLY disagree with you for the obvious reasons. In a crises crash or fly kind of moment you'll NEED, over the next couple seconds, more than anything else in the world to get the other person to let go. Seconds literally seconds!!! They have you in nearly a full stall couple hundred feet up and you want to dip the wings aggressively... come on Mr. Joe. We have a very sad example of exactly what your talking about at my home field. Approx 8 years ago a pretty as Katie in your video and petit flight instructor was flying with a big football player size student. The were just taking off and a pilot witness I spoke with said she made an CTAF announcement that engine had quite. He looked toward the departure end of the runway only to see the aircraft a couple hundred feet AGL with the nose pointed 90 degrees from runway heading and the aircraft was banked 90 degrees. As if it had snapped rolled to the left. Of course this lead to the crash even with the end of the runway and couple hundred feet to the west. The theory was when the engine quit, the football player size student froze on the controls, she was simply to petit to overcome his strength. So sadly, the student died and to this day she pretty much doesn't know she's on the planet. She already had an airline job lined up and was just waiting on her time to go. So.... If this is indeed what happened, no amount of turning would have fixed the problem. I wish she'd knocked him silly and did her best to land straight ahead. Still likely would not have been good but ANY outcome would have beat what did happen.

So dip a wing when low and slow while on the verge of stall or already stalling right? Great, let’s avoid a battery charge. Shame on Katie for karate chopping noses, hitting students, prying hands of students when all she had to do was dip the wing. Your a bad bad girl Katie, how could you possibly dare to break a nose to save your life huh just dip the wing next time geez

You are trying too hard to be relevant! It’s up to each person to make a split second decision where life and death hangs in the balance. I prefer the slight chance of jail over death if a student won’t hand over controls. As a new cfi with likely only several hundred hours under your belt, you came off as a bit of a prick

What about not letting students, for their first exercise ever in a plane, perform takeoffs? Maybe feel them out first. Take them out to the practice area and have them do slow flight and stalls first at a safe altitude which were way more stressful for me than simply taking off. I think if they are a 'freezer', it'll definitely happen doing those maneuvers. Also gives you a chance to solidify the three-way positive exchange of controls.

No shame. I blocked her channel outright. She is terrible, period.

Dude I think you are wrong here as a man who is 6’3 and 320lbs and one of my first cfis was maybe 5ft and 110lbs on a good day female is not over powering me if I lock up, the first day I flew with her during my ppl training I knew this could be an issue specially with power on stalls which always made me nervous, so I told her straight if I lock up on you and I don’t let go of the controls kidney shot, hit me in the nose what ever you need to do to get control. Take no chances too many stories of cfi’s and students dead during training, one such story involved a well known instructor in NJ who died with his student during commercial maneuvers in a not so great weather day maybe he couldn’t over overpower the student who lock up who knows what really happened but they are both dead. I am hoping to be a cfi and I hoping that if I do become one and find myself in this situation I can overpower most students if they lock up and that buys me time to snap them out of it, time that my little cfi may not have, so shot to nose or kidney it is. Thankfully she never had to hit me and she was an amazing instructor and eventually I got my ppl.

Extreme cases require extreme measures. Go read about Atlas flight 3591, 3 people parished due to an extreme pilot input that was incorrect. I too advocate we don't strike people, but if your lives are in imminent fatal danger, do what you need to do.

I think this is in response to the two flight instructors that were killed due to trainees locking up on the flight controls and crashing the planes. I think in both cases the instructors were killed and the trainees walked away. If you are a CFI and your student grabs the yoke and pulls all the way back on take off and refuses to let go, you have maybe a second or two to keep from crashing. Her point is that in that situation you have to do what you gotta do to snap this person out of what their doing otherwise you will die. I think you are blowing this out of proportion. If you are 6'6" 300 lbs and the student locking up is a dainty 5ft 100lb female then its not as much of an issue as if that is reversed which is actually what happened in one of the situations that killed a CFI.

According to the Flight Training Handbook, flying technique should be universal. What works in one airplane should work in any other airplane. Bolts and rivets on one particular model are not universal features - if this student gets into any other model where these references aren't there, what is he going to do?

This could have been done in a more tasteful manner.

So heavy control input on the verge of a stall? That sounds far more dangerous than standing before 12 people explaining I broke a nose to save 2 lives... Sure it's ok with altitude or carrying enough speed. But during landing close to the ground on the verge of a stall?

Thanks for this tip sir. I’m a new CFI and thanks for giving a new trick for my tool box.

You guys weem to be describing things that happen in kindergarten class! Is this really a problem in todays flight training?! I honestly think she was exaggerating to make a point. Obviously as PIC you cant allow foolish or dangerous flight control inputs that would lead to a crash but quite honestly, what i find shocking and absurd is the fact that apparently you have had to deal with students like that also. How are they teaching cfis nowadays?? How in the world are yall ever getting that far into training without knowing the particular student is dangerous and just plain incompetent. This is extremely immature behavior. Students can be weeded out early in the process. Normally on the first flight that would ever act like that. If you cant simply say " my controls" and immediately have command, you need to get rid of that student. Very simple. Again, the fact that this problem even exist is absurd . If modern cfis are having to actually train for physical altercation with a student we have a serious problem ! I am well aware of the problems in the overall pool of cfis but has it really gotten this bad? Been in this business for 30 years and never heard of any instructor having to physically fight the controls away from a student!

5:02 I was waiting for you to recommend just reaching over and giving the student a wet willy. 😃👍

That’s some absurd advice to give out, good on you to call it out

I got mine last week, 130 hrs, 20 months and I’m sure I spent roughly 30k +, flew about 3 times a month cuz of money. Moved from nyc to Florida mid training . Every one of the points made in this video is exactly spot on. Also had 2 infants when I started. It was all an uphill battle

20+ year CFI. The national drop out rate for a private pilot is 70%+. Why? Here’s what I’ve seen. First, people don’t recognize the level of commitment it takes, outside of actual cockpit time, and they don’t want to put the required effort into studying. Second, there is something that scares them. Some people, no matter how competent, calm and reassuring the instructor is, just can’t get over the angst of slow flight, steep turns, stalls, dealing with crosswinds, etc. This takes the “shine” off the whole experience and causes the interest of some (not all) to wain. The experience of flying is not the magical event as some people think. They expect to flit among the clouds all carefree and happy with music playing in the background ….like Waldo Pepper in the movies. Sometimes it is like that, but most times it is not. Yes, money can be an obstacle but I’ve found that most students, once they start, have already committed to funding the expense. Flying is not a casual endeavor. You have to immerse yourself. It has to be part of your lifestyle. A golfer can be mediocre, and no one cares. Mediocre pilots don’t last long.