Ridiculous Flight School Policy You Won't Believe

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Learn about a shocking flight school policy that you won't believe! Watch this video to find out more about these unbelievable rules.
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@TheAirplaneDriver 3 ай бұрын

Great video! When I was working on my instrument rating, about 25 years ago, I was flying with a local flying cub. I went to the airport for a lesson and before we pulled the airplane out, I was standing on the ramp with my instructor and he asked if I thought we should go flying that day. We talked about the forecast…which was sketchy at best. Then I looked at the sky. It looked okay in spots, other areas looked dicey. So I said no. “Good call”, he said and we went home. About the same time we were doing that, a non instrument private pilot was making his way home to our airport from an overnight business trip with a passenger. We learned later that it was his birthday and his daughter wanted him home for a party they were planning. His passenger was a single mom with an infant and she was anxious to get home to her baby. They had already been delayed one day because of wx so the pressure was on. About 10 miles south of the airport, he was scud running below descending ceilings and plowed into the ground killing them both. The passenger’s daughter grew up motherless…the pilot’s daughter grew up with the stark reminder of her father’s death every year on her birthday. Low ceilings can be a death trap for VFR pilots. Instructors and flight schools that don’t get that should be run out of business. I’ve been an instructor for over 20 years and make it a point to tell all my students this story…as well as the Kennedy crash.

@PilotJoeFL 3 ай бұрын

@@TheAirplaneDriver THIS!!!

@JohnBarden-m5x 6 ай бұрын

Wild. I did most of my training put of Sanford but not with L3. My instructor used to tell me about how they would have to jump through many hoops to cancel over there. Had no idea it was that bad

@PilotJoeFL 6 ай бұрын

It's sad. As a CFI, it is our responsibility to train students to be safe pilots first and foremost. If they are taught to not think about the very real risks of this, what do you think they will do when they fly you and your family in a 737 in 10yrs and it's questionable weather? Just like the FOI's say, Primacy is first and is the hardest to change. I truly feel bad for the students there and hope this policy is being rewritten.

@billtisdale6122 5 ай бұрын

MVFR is ceilings between 1000-3000 ft and 3-5 miles visibility. The flight school is recommending flying in marginal conditions.

@nelsonbrandt7847 3 ай бұрын

This is a horrible policy. I hope that their student enrollments dropped dramatically as a result of this.

@thebodaciousgaucho 5 ай бұрын

L3Harris (a large defense contractor, not that there's anything wrong with that) sold its "Commercial Aviation Solutions" unit to a hedge fund, The Jordan Company. That unit included the flight school. The hedge fund owns everything from restaurants to auto parts companies. Hedge funds have no place in aviation, other than putting pilots to work flying their corporate jets around. They will hire the cheapest, shady people they can find to actually run the joint. They destroy airlines, aircraft parts manufacturers, flight schools and any other thing they touch. The motive is PROFIT over PEOPLE, or anything else including safety. For the love of all things aviation, stay the hell away from these hedge fund owned pilot mills.

@agisler87 Ай бұрын

I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. Anyone and any group of individuals is capable and has in the past surrendered safety for profit. Hedge funds absolutely have a place in aviation. If you want to make aviation safer and cheaper then let's get rid of the FAA.

@NorthwestAeronaut 6 ай бұрын

I appreciate your compassionate stance towards the chief flight instructor, but employee, middle manager or otherwise - he signed his name to it and he is just as much at fault as anyone above him. He may have been railroaded… but in the end it doesn’t matter. I’d have resigned if it were me. You’d never see my name or signature on that document.

@PilotJoeFL 6 ай бұрын

I definitely agree with you, just saying I understand the other side of it too.

@vitaly6312 5 ай бұрын

I saw this policy and it’s absolutely insane. Now, if you’re talking about an instrument student then maybe - on cross country filed flights. I’d never send a student out in 1500-2000 AGL, nor would I (an instrument rated pilot) be doing that solo flight if the weather is AT minimums. No reason to go IFR single pilot single engine in a clapped out 172 in anything below 1000agl. Unless you’re incredibly proficient. I don’t know a single CFII that has over 75 hours PIC in IFR. Meaning a person in stages of flight school, even an instrument rated pilot, just doesn’t have enough experience to guarantee that you’ll be able to be current and proficient enough to fly an approach solo to minimums in solid IMC. This is a dangerous policy.

@redbird444 6 ай бұрын

Sounds like a reckless policy to ram as much flying (read: Money) through the business. Inevitably, there will be crashes and likely fatalities because of this and plaintiffs lawyers will BBQ the school. I think it won’t be in business very long with this policy.

@joem.7307 5 ай бұрын

Preach brother!🤜🏼🤛🏼 This school has planes up in some of the craziest weather building times in Orlando area… it’s unreal sometime! Chasing the “actual” weather is risky business and will end up with someone getting hurt or worse. 🤔🤷🏽‍♂️🤯

@sergiolopez-tf4ef 6 ай бұрын

This is Daves fault. You have to take ownership for your actions. Everything within those walls is his responsibility to include students lives. So no. He is responsible.

@skid2151 3 ай бұрын

Wonder if the school cancels you for a maintenance issue do they reimburse you for your time??

@PilotJoeFL 3 ай бұрын

Ha. Doubt it. But that's a great point.

@chloemichelle8299 2 ай бұрын

The XC rules are absurd. Wouldn’t wanna be VFR XC in those claustrophobic conditions!!!

@thenerv37 5 ай бұрын

That is a horrible policy. My wife who just passed her checkride and I rejected a flight yesterday because conditions were marginal vfr. Too much workload for a recreational flight

@danielreuter2565 5 ай бұрын

Disgusting money grab. I guess I'm naive for not realizing that there were flight schools that think they have the right to decide when you're allowed to cancel for weather. This is a lot of information about the quality of this school. I would never do business with a company like this.

@thomaskeysiv1270 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely nuts. You know what happens a lot when ceilings are 1500? They drop to 1000. How far can you glide if your engine quits at 1500ft? If normal channels aren't effective, this is cause for protest. Someone is going to die from this.

@vitaly6312 5 ай бұрын

In a Cessna 172? Maybe 2 miles in favorable conditions.

@nightwaves3203 3 ай бұрын

As a flight school instrument instruction is with a competent CFII in the right seat so no problem. Better to get actual. Now if it were flying in icing there would be a problem. Money side of things if somebody comes along wanting to only IFR train in VFR conditions and extending the schools expenditures for room & board no way Jose.

@georgeallensmo 5 ай бұрын

I agree with your thoughts. I hope the policy changes

@Cassandra17311 5 ай бұрын

I agree with you on the principle that any pilot (student or not) should be made to feel free to cancel a flight if they believe it's safer not to go. I really want to point out a regional difference though: you say your minimums when you started flying were no clouds below 5000', which is something I really can't wrap my brain around. Here in the Netherlands (very flat terrain, but then again, so is Florida!), I'd say most pilots' minimums are somewhere between 1000' and 1500'. Even when I was a student flying a cross-country solo, I've definitely flown comfortably with ceilings of around 1600'. If we only flew when the ceiling was 5000' or above, we wouldn't have a lot of flying days here! What I'm trying to say is that what you're comfortable with kinda depends on the culture within your flying school or the culture of your area, I guess. I do agree with you on visibility though, 3SM (5km) is pretty poor weather for flying VFR.

@kurtreber9813 5 ай бұрын

Yeah but It's always safer not to go, unless you're in an action movie

@Cassandra17311 5 ай бұрын

@@kurtreber9813 So I should always cancel, regardless of weather? ;-)

@kurtreber9813 5 ай бұрын

@@Cassandra17311 lol no, just when risk is at acceptable levels. Sorry, I'm a little obsessive/compulsive on minutiae. I'll stop.

@EmpReb 6 ай бұрын

Sadly The reality of money and expense of flying is making it only possible do it safely if you can afford it. Same with a lot low time jobs out of flight training (and probably in it too) Money low, People desperate and demands high. I know most places do their best but this pressure cooker of expense and money gonna make safety of flight not happen at this rate.

@creloxs 3 ай бұрын

Agree in that these guidelines are crazy dangerous. However I’m not sure I agree with giving the chief instructor the benefit of the doubt. Ultimately he signed off on it, so why spend so much time (about half your video) on trying to defend him. I’d rather see you use this time to explain to new students why this is so dangerous and educate new prospective students on what to look out for when choosing flight schools.

@PatrickDuffy-u3s 6 ай бұрын

Clearly an attempt to put weather-related losses on the students. This is PURE GREED.

@MI325A 5 ай бұрын

I appreciate your video and bringing this to your viewer attention. That being said, David is just as responsible by his agreed signature as the owner is. He is an adult of sound mind carrying credentials. Yes, he could lose his job if he were not. But, think of this.... if something does happen and someone loses a life, the families could very well include him in the lawsuit. Now, if it is not his signature, that it was digitally placed as you mentioned, he can sue the school for fraud and therefore, double burn the school. Keep in mind, I'm not bashing either. I agree with you. But the facts are, you need to be responsible for your actions, and coercion is not an excuse. Retaliation from the school firing David is also a lawsuit in the making because he could bring the FAA into this...which more than likely, will close the school down. Again, I agree with most of what you say, with the exception of not putting David blameful. Yes, he shouldn't get the blunt of it, the school should. Great video and help keep us posted. Take care and best wishes in your CFII checkride !