EMS Madara is stated stronger than edo

@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 So you're saying sharingan is stronger than rinnegan? Makes 0 sense one of the win conditions removed by Madara having a new form was the ability to absorb jutsu afforded to him by the rinnegan. Another was his regeneration from being a edo zombie and having hashirama's cells. Can you explain any mechanism that would make EMS Madara stronger? He has more chakra now, can't die, has hashirama cells, can absorb jutsu with rinnegan, there are no categories where he's weaker

@@Mj783980 1. Edo Tensei is physical nerf, we literally hear that from Hashirama, Tobirama and Madara himself. 2. Edo's don't have infinite chakra, it's misconception. Muu can use clones that split his chakra in 2, Hashirama can divide his chakra into other clones getting weaker etc. Edos have regenerating chakra, but their pool is smaller. So basically Minato as alive would have chakra pool of 10, and could make Rasengan with strength of 10, but Edo Minato has chakra pool of 5, but he quicker regenerates that pool. 3. Madara states that as Edo he fights worse due to not being bloodlusted/having no threat to his life. So when alive he would be better fighter, due to his fighting style being more refined. Tl;Dr, Hashi, Madara, Databook and volume cover confirm that Madara during his fight with Hashirama is stronger than Edo Tensei Madara. Which makes sense, cause he doesn't have real Rinegan, as noted by 2 tails. He can't summon Gedo Mazo, can't use Limbo clones and it's implied there's limit to how much chakra he can absorb(When he absorbs Rasenshuriken he says "Too much energy"). Moreso, he doesn't have his original EMS anymore, and we know that it's his EMS that makes him absurdly strong(Stated the more hate he experiences the stronger he gets, Tobirama calling him unstoppable)

1. Sage mode doesn't have Genjutsu? And no, most genjutsu in the verse wouldn't work on Madara. 2. Minato is terrible sage, when you read the manga he can use it for 2 pages max whole needing a lot to charge it up. 3. Madara has EMS Precog and Susanoo which is faster than his usual movement speed, add the fact that he is extremely expirienced in fighting FTG users, so no, Madara knows the counters. 4. No FW Madara doesn't lose to any group other than first one, tf? That Madara is literally stated sage mode times stronger than Edo by Hashirama, Databook and volume cover? Madara at this point is unironically faster than Minato

@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 The sage mode has access to frog song Minato can literally ftg get the old frogs and come back- how you don't know that is beyond me. 2nd off it worked on pain who literally has madaras Rinnegan The video initself proves that madara isn't faster Madara infact does not have much experience facing ftg not sure where u got that statement- never canonicaly fought Tobirama before the war and even when he fought Tobirama he had sage mode wich is the only reason he predicted and caught a arguably phiscaly weaker Tobirama When facing Minato who is faster , better body flicker and better ftg with potentially sage mode and madara has none it will be much harder Further, pre-cog is useless if your movement speed is too slow - we saw A land cleanly on madara and madara getting blisted by guy(8gates), both blits and it's over alive madara dies and edo madara gets marked there and then gets sealed of soon after You must be forgetting Minato slices straight through the 8 tails tenticals that can slap away BJ dama's Alsp btw saying Minato is a terrible sage is contradicted by the fact that he is a perfect sage wich even Jiriya wasn't And Minato arguably needs it to land only 1 blits attack to win

@@stfu5013 1. Frog song requires setup, Madara is going to instantly notice it and Tengai Shinsei battlefield. Moreso, Naruto who's confirmed better Sage than Minato never did that. So no, no proof Minato can do that 2. Yeah, and he's worse at using it. Zetsu literally states that his eyes obtained their true power now that they are with original owner. 3. If you don't think he doesn't have experience with FTG you are naive. They literally fought on same battlefield every single day, Tobirama being 2nd biggest threat to Madara. Moreso, we know they fought at least once going by hiw Tobirama calls Madara unstoppable and considering in Manga Madara got jumped by him, Hashirama and other Senju after getting EMS. Also considering the fact that he knows how to use other Tobirama Jutsu(Knows counter for Edo Tensei, knew Shadow clone) and FTG killed Izuna, he obviously has experience 4. Susanoo activation time is nearly if not instant, at least superior to users speed by great margin, looking at how it's more chakra being used. So yeah, Madara with Precog can see Minato and at worst pull up Susanoo 5. Minato ain't blitz tier above Madara? They are on same tier, considering how KCM2 Naruto is at least Minato level if not higher, and Madara can Eaisly react to him 6. Inconsistent, considering how Minato's Rasengan couldn't even kill Teen Obito, who's obviously below Madara. And Edo Madara tanked Big Ball Odama Sage Rasenshuriken from 4 clones, without being able to absorb it, and tanked it without need to regenerate. 7. Lasted shorter than Jiraya's, meaning that he has better Sage mode, but doesn't use it in Battle cause it takes him too long to get into it and it doesn't do much

@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 The frogs were not present when Naruto fought Madara - are u even oky And it doesn't need "set up" You don't know your stuff and it shows If madara knew how to counter ftg he would not have struggled that much Either u need to conceed his speed in a amped state was letting him down or that he doesn't know Either way it's a big L to you We saw Minato instantly going into sage mode so wrong again You are making statements that are blaintley wrong Minato didn't even charge it up You don't understand how frog song works either wich is hilarious Minato was not going for the kill on obito he marked him and left him if he wanted him dead he would have killed him there and then also obito didn't absorb the blow the zetsu body that pretty much got turned to mush did- again know way u didn't see that- horrible take Kcm2 naruto is base Minato tier not sage Minato in terms of speed Furthermore ftg is instantaneous wich is blaintley stated in the data books so there is absolutely no argument for madara to react to it as it even outscales boruto tier characters U need infinite speed to react to it wich doesn't exist in naruto You are once again speculating that the susano is is instantaneous wich is untrue A in his V one clock nearly caught sasuke wich would straight up debunk that anyway And the susano has lairs The earlier stages would be easy to bipass anyway Horrible naruto knowledge

@@stfu5013 1. Ight? So why would they need to be present when Minato fights him? We literally never see Minato summon any frog other than Gamabunta. By that logic, if we include hypothetical summons into this, why don't we give Madara access to Gedo Statue? Or 100% Nine tails? 2. Show me one time Madara struggled against FTG. He fought Tobirama off screen, and had no wounds or anything, not going all out, not summoning Susanoo etc. So no, he doesn't struggle with FTG. 3. I'm not claiming he can't use SM. I'm saying that he admits himself that it takes him long time to enter it, and can use it for very short while, unlike Hashirama or Naruto. Argue with him, cause he literally states so. Moreso, it's out of character for him to use it, he never used it against Obito nor Juubito, only decided to use it against Juubidara in desperation, and it could only do one Jutsu. 4. Prove that Minato wanted him alive, literally nothing shows that. "oh, zetsu tanked it" Zetsu body is stated by Zetsu himself weaker than 1MS Obito's body. Minato even says "I have to put stop to him right here". Obito even reacted to Minato's slash at his head and caught it after it was done phasing at point blank, so no, they are relative. 5. Congrats? Base Edo Hashirama is compared to KCM2 Naruto as well, and Edo Madara>=<Edo Hashirama. Consistent with Orochimaru stating that Sasuke WILL SOMEDAY surpass Madara(He only knows Edo) while CM Susanoo Sasuke could react and fight on par with KCM2 SM Naruto. 6. Not rlly? Susanoo was activating every time before Raikage attacked, so no, it is instant 7. You need to mark opponent to use ftg AND need reaction time. It's like shooting a gun. If you are faster than someone before he pulls a trigger, gun worn do anything. "Susanoo has lairs" you mean layers. And no they wouldn't. Not even humanoid susanoo from Madara could CASUALLY tank Juubi Cataclysm. Add in Madara as Edo being able to tank Big Ball Odama Rasenshuriken without need to absorb or heal, and Minato has no way to attack him

Alive Hashirama is stronger than his Edo Self. He literally could make more clones than Edo Madara😭😭😭

Madara knows of FTG, Susanoo goes instantly up and Minato has no way to attack him

1. He would need living sacrifice 2. His Edo Tensei was weaker than Orochimaru's who was weaker than Kabuto's, who nerfed user

Finał Valley Madara is stated stronger than Edo by himself, Hashirama, databook and volume cover

Hashirama, Madara, Databook and volume cover confirm that his Edo self is physically weaker and slower than his alive self. Add in fact that he confirmed he didn't fight with much effort and elegance, and he is much more of a monster than we give him credit for

Onoki

Lmao😭 1. Madara is stated strongest Uchiha as Edo, this includes WM Obito. WM Obito>>>>>Teen Obito, who nearly won against Minato. Minato has literally no counter against Perfect Susanoo 2. 3rd is fodder? He's too slow for that fight, one Tengai Shinsei and its over

@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 that is madara with hashirama cells.. He also has unli stamina in the edo form.. Stop watching naruto from reels. Too much Madara glazing.

@@stevenrenzogaleon3940 1. This is using Edo Madara? So it's literally Madara with Hashirama cells? 2. If you read actual Manga you would know that Madara calls his Edo body weak, Databook states he obtained his "Past power" when he goes back to life, Hashirama says he's getting close to his original power and volume back say that he obtained his prime strength. So no, Edo Madara<<<EMS Madara

@@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 which do you think is stronger alive itachi or edo itachi think twice. It is true that madara is stronger when he is alive but his body was upgraded in edo form he can use wood jutso and other hashiramas op's abiliy like healing. Again Saying Minato with other Hokages lose more is stupid. Minato can combo with other hokage easily. He can use reaper death seal. Same with 3rd hokage they will win easily if madara is alone. Minato with other hokage = 10/0 madara lose Hiruzen with other hokage= 8/10

@stevenrenzogaleon3940 1. Itachi when alive had illness, wasn't going all out and was on verge of dying. It's bad comparasion, especially looking at how Madara when alive fights better, has way greater strength and speed and can also summon Full Nine tails. 2. It's 5 Kage Vs Madara, not Madara Vs 5 Hokage. Either way, only ones who can stop Madara on the list is Hashirama, Minato nearly lost to 14yo Obito and doesn't scale to level of Perfect Susanoo. And reaper death seal didn't even manage to seal Orochimaru, meanwhile Madara canonically had to fight Uzumaki in the past considering he was top 2 of his era. Minato nor Hiruzen have no counter for Madara just going Perfect Susanoo and spamming Tengai Shinsei meteors