I had to look up the guy's name. :)

Thank you! I think it might be time for a reread soon. How many Scadarians are on the storming planet???

Right? Not even one mention of it from my memory.

Thank you!

Good theory!

That would be the best.

Should start happening soon! And we'll be doing a big spoiler video over on @thesandbox_official in the next month or so.

You know what they can have my Bippy mention them in the next video

And personally, I think that the old radian always knew they weren’t from Rosar. Dan didn’t know storm. Father was just like yeah that’s what happened not wanting to admit to his own sin.

Oops. I'll try to edit that soon.

Thanks for taking the time to comment this!

Agreed. Wish I had thought of that during my readings lol

And I've come to understand that this is the correct, and technically only, way to say it.

This is the correct way to approach these things.

Thanks for this! I also don't want to wade in to the replies on the other comment you made. What I want to say (and what I tried but not sure that I did in the video) is that I appreciate your opinion and see where you're coming from on the space on the page(s) dedicated to someone's sexuality or gender that you didn't feel was necessary and you would have rather had something else. For me, it was worthwhile enough, and that comes down to opinion. I also think the explanation you provided for the pandering (though I think that is too strong of a word) is valid, and honestly, if I were invested into a religion that had specific views that I did not espouse, and those views were brought to light in a vocal manner that had the potential to upset my readers (even though I do not espouse them), I would write certain passages to reflect my viewpoints as well. Sanderson puts a lot of his religious views into his books (though I've not researched this personally, just read posts/comments that make seemingly good arguments about this), so it would make sense for him to put his worldviews in as well, especially if they differ from the religion he subscribes to. When I focus back on how it felt to read these sections, it felt a little shoehorned in, but then, so did a lot of other plot points or character descriptions. All of that to say, your comments are welcome here on our channel, and I appreciate the discourse you bring forward even though I may disagree with your opinion. I hope you'll consider watching more of our stuff, because I like seeing discussions where people support their premises and opinions with valid arguments like I feel you've done here.

@ spoiler passed day two in this comment. real fast I just wanna be clear I didn’t really have an issue with the “woke” I would never bring it up in a conversation about the book I’m just saying it is there I loved every character story arc in this book. I don’t know what other word we could use other than pandering. Like salon being really invested and rolling in relationship, kind of felt like an audience insert or at least I’ve heard other people say that personally I like the way she reacted it seemed real to me. I think my only real point is those small parts are so unimportant. I can’t imagine anybody pointing them out in a review or remembering they were there at all. I mean you guys skipped over two of them.

You've got valid points.

@ again I really don’t wanna be seen as somebody that’s a against LGBTQ because I’m not. I just think people have a point when they point out how much woke pandering there is it really stops for most of the book I think there’s two at the beginning and two at the end. Again, if you wanna watch, my favorite show currently it is interview with a vampire. Im just saying woke stuff doesn’t bother me. I’m really trying hard not to come off as a bigot because I’m not even though I know a lot of people are gonna think I am because of my post.

It is completely pandering two of the audience to say see I’m inclusive because he knows his religion is not.

People going crazy about how awesome world building is in his books but as soon as it concerns people not bring strictly cis or hetero its suddenly bad?:D

it’s boring and unrealistic to expect everyone in your life/media to follow made up social norms. just be honest about the hate in your heart diva <3

You might not have liked it but out of a book of over 1300 pages, I’m very appreciative I got to have ‘an entire paragraph’ so I can relate to a character in the book as well. You still have 1300 pages of non gay things to read about…I have one paragraph.

@@ienott except it wasn’t world building like Navani assistant. We didn’t learn anything new about the world. All we learned is that this one random character identifies as non-binary we knew they were non-binary characters before they only added it to the fans would go look she’s like me. like do you have any idea how many other things I wanted to page and a half on that we would’ve had if he just wanted to mention is random they never brought up again, and I will never be

Thanks for taking the time to comment and let us know! We'll be releasing one day every weekend until day 10, which will be over on Sandbox's channel.

Oh! I just, finally, played my copy of Call to Adventure… and am waiting for my copy of the Mistborn game from the kickstarter… forget which it was attached to… the RPG maybe?

I'll also say interesting. It's attached to the RPG, so it will ship with the first wave of physical goods in 2025.

Also, it was awesome meeting you in person! Thanks for helping me figure out the passport thing in the lightweaver area.

You're welcome! And thanks for taking the time to tell us!

We still are too! Hope the journey with us is a good one.

You're quite welcome! Thanks for being a passport stampee!

Aww ya excited for the rest of the day's such a good book!

I'm curious to know why you thought so, if you can do so without mentioning specific spoilers. I've just relistened to it and it is... certainly polarizing.

Heck yeah! Glad to have you around even after the book is out! We’ll probably do a big theorycrafting video over on my channel once I’m done reading 😅

I think taking into consideration Kaladin's whole journey, this was actually the first step of his into a new character arc, so I gave it some room to breathe and figure itself out, and realized even Kaladin's parts were really just Szeth's in disguise. I've typically found Shallan fairly exciting, though not my favorite. In this one, I found her parts way more interesting than some of the other POV characters. It's crazy how we can have such different ideas over the same book.

Spoilers My problem with Kaladin until like day 9, was that he had such a passive role and wasn’t really adding anything at all, if anything his character was trying to make the shinovar section less enjoyable. I thought Szeth’s POV’s were the most engaging part of the book, so we have Szeth chatting with nightblood, chatting with Syl, chatting with his soren, fighting zombies with honourblades then in the background Kaladin is going “hey Szeth, how are you feeling?” “Hey szeth, you should stop doing this” and I’m going no no no Kaladin stop let Szeth continue to be awesome. My problem with Shallan largely stems from being a certified hater of the multiple personalities since oathbringer, but what I disliked about this book specifically is frankly how competent she was in terms of her goal for the book. I don’t think she should have done so well against *two* ghostbloods. Was it really that easy for her to take on Iyatil and Mraise by herself? I had hoped with the Kalak interlude that the ghostbloods were actually gonna be competent this book, especially after lost metal but I guess the Rosharan sector just sucks. Did Shallan even have any negative consequences from this book besides the ending being trapped in shadesmare? Which wasn’t her fault anyway. She did better than any of the other main characters in the story besides renarin and rlain I guess.

I see. I look at these things as acceptable given how the characters have grown. I definitely understand where you're coming from, though. I'm more curious to see how Sanderson shapes Mistborn Era 3 based on which characters did what in Wind and Truth than I am disappointed in how character arcs ended, if that makes sense.

I'm not sure they sell it anymore, but they have a similar one at dragonsteel.

I see where you're coming from for a lot of this, but I also disagree that the characters had the same arcs in previous books. I guess I think it was different enough by the end.

@@SilverlightGuidetotheCosmere that's a fair argument, you've not dismissed my point. And rather than quibble over the differences I think we can both agree there are a "similarities" each time.

There definitely were similarities. From my view of it, it felt like he took those similarities and said, "they've done a lot of the same work each time, yes, but I promise this is where they finally earn their finale and grow past repeating the arc." (I've had to repeat a lot of the same life lessons for them to finally change me, so it feels realistic.) In future books, I expect we won't see the same character arcs for the same characters that earned their growth this time. I'll also agree he tends to have a lot of repeated elements among stories. For me, the differences are enough to make them worthwhile. I can see, however, where they may not be different enough for others. Not a lot of his other books focused on forgiveness, as this one did, for an example.

@@SilverlightGuidetotheCosmere I'm glad you can still find something good in it. But I was hanging by a thread with that Marasi plotline from Lost Metal being the same thing as Shallan's from Rhythm of War just from the side of working with the Ghostbloods. It annoyed me immensely. then practically all of the plots for each character felt very much like the same thing they'd been over before and while realistic to have trauma need to be revisited, it doesn't work for narrative fiction. At the end of this book I said I was done. I've dropped all his books now. All of the first half is done, I don't need to see the end. It won't bother me to walk away as I will have the "we're going to see the same exact plot again aren't we?" in the back of my head for anything else and it'll sour my view and I'll end up just being an ass about it to fans who enjoy it. I hope I'm wrong, I'll read summaries as the new books come out, and maybe when Mistborn era 3 is done I'll try one of them. But if I were to put it down in words, I'd say I feel let down by this ending, it has been built up massively and ended felt a damp squib for me. I expected better out of a guy who can do good fantasy when he tries and this doesn't feel like him trying. I've said it for a while, he needs to take 2 or 3 years of not writing to recharge his creativity as it's severely lacking now. At least in my opinion.

I think your analysis is solid, and I'm glad you're able to put it in a concise manner. I think your opinions are valid, and I won't say I'm 100% satisfied by the ending of this book. It's also a breath of fresh air to see someone state what you have, with "I'll sour my view and end up being an ass to fans who enjoy it." I'm hoping Ghostbloods brings in a new wind in terms of creativity, and from what we've heard I personally expect that it will. I will say that Sanderson's writing style of Lost Metal and Wind and Truth has not grabbed me as Era 1 and Way of Kings/Words of Radiance did.

I'd respectfully disagree on the basis of it being forced. He's telegraphed the gay romance for a while now, which is the largest part of what may be considered woke in my opinion. The other parts that are relevant to transgender people are small additions that, to me, make the world seem more fleshed out. ***spoilers for a later portion of the story*** the part where Adolin accepts a person who has Azish credentials to live as a man was a brilliant way to communicate "this kind of person exists in the Cosmere, and here's world building that reflects that", but again, my opinion. While I am a straight male, I have written many characters for my own stories, and to be 100% honest with you, the way I do that feels odd. The character decides their sexuality, gender, religion, etc., and I simply don't interfere. If it's what is right for the story, then I continue that character in the story, and if it isn't right, I remove that character. From Sanderson's lectures on writing, he does something similar. So, for a lot of Wind and Truth, the portions that some may consider woke (which I'm not arguing aren't, though I don't use "woke" myself) don't feel forced to me. If the character is this, that, or the other, and you're writing from that character's point of view, then I suspect they would consciously think about how they're this, that, or the other. Some of the humor does feel forced, and that pulls me out more than the woke parts.

OoOoooOooh, scary gay people, how horrible 😨

I appreciate your time and effort in the the reply. I know it's implied and that was enough for me to grasp the concept.i just felt like it was a rad overdone with how horny they were. Maybe saying wokeness essentially pulled me out was wrong out but maybe it was just the romance in general. Reflecting on it I think if they were hetero I still would feel the same way and that it was forced. ✌️

@@danl455 naaah you wouldn't. you used the word "woke" specifically because they are gay and you're a homophobe. if they were hetero you wouldn't use that term. what else was 'woke' about it champ?

Great distinction, I'm going to steal this way of saying it, if you don't mind.

He's very high up there for me as well.

Same! It was very addictive.

I found the sudden POV shifts jarring. I understand why they had to happen most of the time, but I feel the same. I read all of it by staying up too late and finding time during lunch breaks and the plane ride home from Nexus to get it in.

That's the trick. No one is.

I can agree with this and can offer two explanations. One: new editor. Moshe retired, and we could maybe expect that the new editor isn't as hard on Sanderson to keep the language more mature. Two: Sanderson is intentionally bringing a medieval story to the present much faster than he did Mistborn, where 300 years passed between Hero of Ages and Alloy of Law, so more modern language is expected in Alloy of Law. He wants Roshar to get closer to that level of advancement faster because of how Stormlight 6-10 and the rest of the Cosmere book will align. A third explanation may be that he really had the time and space to write a more mature sounding story with the Way of Kings. To me, more mature writing equates to more descriptive writing and humorous moments that don't rely on toilet humor. With the Way of Kings, Sanderson took the time to describe non-vital parts of what was going on, where RoW and WaT the opportunity to do had collapsed in on itself because the plot and everything he needed to do took precedence.

@SilverlightGuidetotheCosmere I did not know about new editor. And that makes a lot of sense. A new editor who doesn't have as long as a relationship with BS and who started working with him once he was this massive author, I can see them being less pushy on some editing quibbles. I hope we get some TWOK -Oathbringer Sanderson back. I agreed almost completely with your review. Subbed.

I'd also like to see some TWOK-OB back, and we might get that with Stormlight 6 and 7. I can also appreciate the fact that Sanderson may be trying to show explicitly that he is not a grimdark, "epic fantasy must be so serious" writer, and this is how he chooses to do that. The jokes are not for me, haven't been since The Lost Metal. But, it's at the level that I can easily look past it. I much prefer the type of joke like Wax and Wayne going through a list of ridiculously named operations trying to figure out how to get in the enemy base, not calling someone a bag of d****. Feels like it is a cheap laugh, which are okay once in a while, and I think they're spread out enough in WaT that I can accept them. I'm going to be more critical in the spoiler review, as I have more takes on how certain characters developed and how reveals were handled, but like I stated in the video that will take a while to come out. Thanks for subbing!

@@SilverlightGuidetotheCosmere I will watch that spoiler video. Cheers 👍

sanderson is a child, he cant write mature things, even his main character is supposed to be this strong warrior but it’s literally just a child, which makes it hoofy, i cant take his story seriously, if it wasn’t for his easy to read style, he would not be so overhyped as an author.

We'll get one out within the next two months. I really want to dissect it and Griff hasn't finished it yet.

Can't wait!!​@@SilverlightGuidetotheCosmere

You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.

Same

Once I got to day 8 I could hardly put it down!

That's a great way to put it!

I'm not sure, do you use audible?

Thanks!

Thanks so much, I'm glad you like it!

Completely agree.

Oh my. I laughed too much at this.