That depends on the Players worldstate. Kieran should be somewhere safe, only morrigan knows i think where. Flemeth took the Soul of Urthemiel out of Kieran, so Solas should have it when he took Mythals powers from Flemeth. Or its the canon ending. Archdemon killed by the Player Warden without the Ritual with Morrigan. So no Kieran and no Soul. And Sandal..sure somewhere making Enchanments.

I thought the elves were immortal and the creation of the veil made them mortal. So if solas is trapped in the fade then does that mean he's immortal again?

@@reffa2858 Sorry bad wording, english isn't my first language. what i meant is that the evanuris had each an archdemon that made them immortal, even after the Veil was made. but because of the Blights 5 of these 7 Archdemons where killed. So these 5 Evanuris became Mortal and died because the Veil drained them. Hm but the question about Solas is also answerd with that, because the evanuris needed the archdemons to be immortal while still tied to the Veil and in the fade. The same should go for Solas, but he doesnt have an Archdemon.

@@Kaeldo yeah, your right.

Yes, this is a concerning plot hole. And brings to mine all the things wrong with this game. Definitely didn’t think things through. I’m going to theorize that Solas is a little different than the rest of the Evanuris. The veil is his creation. Maybe he has a symbiotic relationship with it. As it might sustain him as he sustains it, making him essentially immortal.

Yes. I would like to know how Solas could be alive after thousands of years if he is not immortal and dont tied himself to a dragon like the others. Because the ancient elves became mortal after the creation of the Veil. And he himself says he wasnt as powerful as Elgarnan and he isnt a god just a mage

I dont think we have enough information to know what they mean at the moment. Perhaps for the moment they want us to think that there is a shadowy group somewhere across the Amaranthine Ocean waiting to come to Thedas in waves of ships to conquer. I don't think this is actually what is going on, or will happen. This is obviously theory, so take it with a pinch of salt. I think the "Across the Sea" is not a reference to a geographical location. I think they're talking about the fade. One of the images we see in that secret ending tapestry is the first Tevinter Mages going into the fade using blood magic. The other thing I have noticed, is that in all these events, playing as various protagonists all through Thedas, in each game, we fight a fairly subtle group of demons called "The Forbidden Ones". Gaxkang in Origins. Xebenkeck in DA2. Imshael in Inquisition. and The Formless One in Veilguard. I have always thought they were there because the events occurring at that moment in time had left the veil thin and they are powerful, so they have tried to amass followers. But I think they have been setting this whole thing up since the beginning. The Unbound quest in Origins which leads to the Gaxkang fight, you have to discover letters and meet people in areas of power or significance, and every time you do, there is a sense that this plot point is just kinda thrown into the game. As the entries talk about how "something is wrong in Thedas". Then right before the fight, the Gaxkang says "Eyes are on you warden, from a very high perch". Then saying that while he cannot stop what is to happen, he will not be a footnote in the Warden's encounter. In DA2, the tomes you have to collect to force the Xebenkeck encounter are also in places of great power, either political or religious. You get this quest after you save Keran from a bunch of mages. The main mage has written tomes in order to turn templars into abominations and resurrect the Imperium through the chaos. In DAI, you fight Imshael who has taken over Suledin's Keep. He keeps insisting that he is a choice spirit, and not a demon. THEN we finally come to Veilguard, where you fight the last of the Forbidden Ones, The Formless One, in the Pinnacle of his kind quest. Where he takes the form of a high dragon. The interesting thing in this quest, is that one of the scrying orbs of the executors is in his lair... Finally, going back to the tapestry at the end of Veilguard, the voice says "we have balanced" when that image of the Tevinter mages comes up with two shadowy figures appearing behind them. What does this have to do with the Forbidden Ones...well here is the codex entry for the Forbidden Ones: “The first of the magus cast themselves deep in the Fade in search of answers and power, always power. They found the forbidden ones-Xebenkeck, Imshael, Gaxkang the Unbound, and The Formless One. Many conversations were had and much of the fabric of the world revealed. And thus the magic of blood was born.” I think the Executors are not a group of people in a far away land. They're in Thedas, and they're a faction who have been working to eradicate the influence of the Evenuris, the blight, and dragons, so that they can have their time. I think the spirits of the fade that became the first Elves, were in conflict with these ancient demons. And this is the real weave that has been woven through the whole story. We also get hints that Solas, Gil, and Elg were aware and worried/scared of them. Perhaps they feed on magic, and dreamers, and having the Veil be intact is useful to them, to increase their power. I think it is why the Qunari bind their mages and treat them so severely, since the Qunari are dragon born in this universe, and dragons seem to be a problem for these demons.

This totally may not land. I think we have to wait to next game to see if it works or not. I honestly just took it like setup they usually do in DLCs for the next game.

I don't think they knew how to effectively write the executors into the plot. So in order to gauge some last minute intrest, they probably just had to shoehorn them into past events. Thats why I think people are so adverse to the secret ending. You have Loghain, Corypheus, Meredith, and the Magisters (good writing) colliding with the Executors (bad writing). It all just feels kind of cheap.

If your character is human, Mythal mentions that she and the other spirits took physical form to become like humans. That was a MASSIVE shock to me!

But what would they have survived on all this time in the fade? It’s a 10 year gap between DAI and DAV.

@shogun8159 Remember the codex entries about the elves going into euthenara? Those greatest at it required no substance and instead sustatined their bodies by subconciously drawing magic from the fade. Perhaps they clukd do the same while conscious.

Maybe the humans over the sea are the devouring storm. Maybe they serve something over there that’s even worse than the blight. Some sort of HP Lovecraft type of cosmic horror.

I totally agree. I was thinking it could also be really small influences. Take with Loghain, it could be as simple as the Executors made sure he found the letters between Cailen & Celene. Loghain ran with it but doesn't mean he could be nudged, It was still his choice.

@@reffa2858 Imagine how Batman feels about Gotham 😅 But the venatori coup makes more sense to me since they were the ones benefitting from the attack - so they were spared, and their opponents were crushed. But I do have two problems. The first is, yes, the venatori are WAY too powerful overall in this game. The second is that Minrathous couldn't fair better without Rook's intervention. That still seems crazy to me.

@TheKingdomEntertainment yeah you're right they are partnered with the gods so it makes sense that they were spared. I just thought "dragon attack" meant destroying an entire city regardless of faction. But it's just we dropped a whole mountain on them in Inquisition, defeated their leader and they were dismissed by the Tevinter Imperium as some benign cult. But they're still here stronger than ever. Also I was a bit shocked that they jumped to the eleven gods side so quickly. In inquisition they rallied under Corypheus who rejected the old gods or any god for that matter in order to make Tevinter great again (MTGA 😂). Meanwhile in veilguard they found out that old gods = elven gods so now they work for the elven gods? It's just that in the good ol days of the Imperium, slavery and the subjugation of any race especially the elves was a staple for their empire. Their sacking of Arlathan are one of the reasons so much elven culture was forgotten or even misinterpreted. So you'd think the Venatori would be trying to help stop the Elvhen gods if not for their own secret agenda.

Dragon Age's lore is destroyed thanks to activists and DEI hijacking the lore and turning it into fanfiction. I have no problem with gays, but these people are too much.

Exactly...it was poor and lazy writing, bottom line. The problem is that this came from a company who is supposed to be adept at creating inclusive content for lgbtq... people. It's kind of Bioware's thing, so for them to be this off the mark...it says a lot about the state of Bioware. As far as the whole "woke" thing goes...if the writing is good, most people don't care. I know I don't. I just want good storytelling which this wasn't. I wonder how many people were reading the script. No ONE said anything about the writing? No one? Not one person? After the juvenile writing in Andromeda Bioware went and made the same mistake again. I would almost say they double downed because the writing in Dragon Age The Veilguard was actually worse and more cringe than Andromeda. It's insane really.

@heatherbelletete7980 As someone who has been a fan since the first Mass Effect and Dragon Age: Origins, I respectfully disagree about the writing in Andromeda and Veilguard. Both are perfectly acceptable in comparison to earlier titles. And I am certainly not exclusively talking about this point in this here short. This is a wide-ranging issue

@@TheKingdomEntertainment I agree with you. I'm as deep into lore as you. I've read, watched and played everything... well, almost. DAVE I haven't finished yet. I'm sick and tired of the insults towards this game. Because it doesn't deserve it. This is a GOOD game. It really takes a huge amount of bad will not to see that.

@@TheKingdomEntertainment yeah I agree with you I don’t think veilgaurd or andromeda as as bad as people still like to carry on about, I do think they both had major points of missing the mark in terms of writing. But I think both had strong points in being the best combat in there respective series, and the scale of the missions especially the final ones are better than the other games. But I was very unsatisfied with how they delivered the evanuris, titans, and the blight. The ideas were solid the execution was off for me. I also think some characters and companion final quests needed more work. I really like “the true/best” ending for solas and the inquisitor… the constant therapy talk was a lot for me. It’s not an issue with having light hearted moments or even having moments of support and emotional connection. But I don’t feel the tone matched the scale of the games stakes a lot of the time. And to that I think some of the retconning was all over the road and sloppy. All this to say I still don’t think it’s a terrible or even bad game. Just disappointed in how they handled what feels like the conclusion of some of my favorite elements of the story of this series. But again my comment was more about you can criticize things you like in a healthy way without leaning on lazy buzzwords because oh no “pronouns” (I know that’s not you I’m saying in part to my original statement that the loudest people hounding this game are fanatics who wanted to hate this game regardless of quality. It’s just unfortunate they have anything to leverage.)