Why Good Songs Don't Stand Out
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@BrianMason1000
@BrianMason1000 38 минут бұрын
Great discussion men! Just bought both books on your side table!
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 14 минут бұрын
Awww… appreciate ya! Write on! CM
@dennislasley6516
@dennislasley6516 42 минут бұрын
John Lennon would disagree, his life was his source of song ideas..
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 13 минут бұрын
Life is a definitely great “source”for songs and he was a master at turning personal into great song ideas with universal commercial appeal. All about discovering the song idea in the situation. Write on! CM
@laurenblainebamartistmgt
@laurenblainebamartistmgt 8 сағат бұрын
@26:00 I’m livin’ on the Southern side of goodbye Walking in the shadows of regret I miss the warmth of taking in the sunshine Like your hand in mine when we first met Oh, dang! Haha I threw regret in there before I heard the other writer talking about bourbon and regret. Lol
@Bigfootsquatch
@Bigfootsquatch 12 сағат бұрын
Thanks guys, great information
@JasonChabot-s6d
@JasonChabot-s6d 13 сағат бұрын
Can't remember what video I watched of yours, but you mentioned some books to read. Wondering what books to get to help with industry standards for tracking, eq, mixing and mastering. I make rock music if that helps.
@johnbrown8740
@johnbrown8740 17 сағат бұрын
I usualy agree, but this is BS. If the subject is widely experienced and it's not about every day mundane crap that nobody else gives a crap about, Many personal issues have turned in to a hit song.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 15 сағат бұрын
Hey John, If you watch the whole video, it doesn't seem like we are disagreeing. The trick is finding the “song idea” within the personal situation. Turning the situation into a great song.. Write on! CM
@jerryt7739
@jerryt7739 20 сағат бұрын
Thanks for this advanced lesson Clay! We rockers need to feel those descending lines!
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 20 сағат бұрын
Write on! CM
@slugtoenail
@slugtoenail Күн бұрын
Awesome sauce!😊
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 23 сағат бұрын
Rivers is awesome!
@BrianMason1000
@BrianMason1000 Күн бұрын
Do you think that AI is a problem or a blessing?
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA Күн бұрын
I’ve always been into new tools and technologies. As long as as writer has a high skill level, AI can be used as a tool. I don’t use it to write for me. You can press a preset pattern on a drum machine and that doesn’t make you a drummer. AI writing your melody doesn’t make you a songwriter. Write on! CM
@BrianMason1000
@BrianMason1000 Күн бұрын
@@SongTownUSA I have used it on Logic Pro 11 for bass lines, but later adding my own style dropping the AI. I think it is okay to speed certain things up, especially when you just are trying an idea out. I would only use warm bodies to do the actual studio work. Thanks for your insight!
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 23 сағат бұрын
@ Good way to appraoch it. To help get your ideas down while they are flowing. I like that! CM
@jonstephenson5436
@jonstephenson5436 Күн бұрын
IV to iv is supposed to be an unusual change?! I learned a Jimmy Rogers song the other day with that change….. it’s ancient. The Beatles did it all the time. If anything this just says how bland a lot of songwriting is nowadays. “Four to four minor you say!!!? What’s next a dominant major third chord?! You madman!” I’m not trying to crap on the advice in this video, it’s good. I’m just disgusted with how narrow people’s expectations are. Most folks these days don’t like anything that challenges their expectations harmonically. I heard contemporary satellite country radio all day this last weekend, and it all sounded exactly the same to me. To put a finer point on my comment: Jason Isbell, Robbie Fulks, Sturgill Simpson, John Prine, Kacey Musgraves. These people write in a way that explores the full range of human emotions, and experience. Not cliche crap about a truck, or addiction recovery stories that sound manufactured. Not that simple concepts always make bad songs, I was just disappointed that I might have heard 2 ok songs in 8 hrs of windshield time. I guess what I’m saying is, “aim higher than the current country charts too”. Maybe I should write a song about that 😂. I sound cranky
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA Күн бұрын
Which J Rogers song?
@jonstephenson5436
@jonstephenson5436 23 сағат бұрын
@ Miss the Mississippi and you. Now that I said it, I’m not positive his version has that change. I think it does though. In my head it sounds like it. To be clear friends, I love your videos. I also like the IV to iv change; I wasn’t trying to criticize that. I’ve been binging your videos because I’m starting to write songs. I’m 42, and I’ve been playing and singing since I was a kid, but only wrote songs when someone would ask me to write something funny, or maybe like a pastiche of an existing tune. Ive decided it’s time to stop being a chicken, and start putting stuff on paper, so thank you for this content. And my friends loved a bunch of the songs on the current country charts, so it’s probably just me. I haven’t listened to any top charts radio for quite a while, and I guess I don’t really get it anymore. I can’t shake the feeling that barely any of it will be memorable in 15 years. On the other hand, we listened to some Diamond Rio, and George Strait. We all knew most of the words, and everyone in the car enjoyed it.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 21 сағат бұрын
Cool. I studied arranging at Berklee in Boston, so I know all about writing sophisticated. lol. Hopefully you heard my Diamond Rio hit Beautiful Mess on your drive. It has much more than 4 chords ;) CM
@jonstephenson5436
@jonstephenson5436 18 сағат бұрын
@@SongTownUSA I like that song a lot. I’ve had several spells of my life that were pretty topsy turvy feeling but I loved every minute of it. Either in love with someone, or something. I have that kind of ADHD inspiration that tends to make me let all other things go when I have an obsession, so I relate. I don’t think just more sophisticated all the time is it…. But I do get excited when there is a little non-diatonic change in a modern song, because they seem pretty few and far between these days. Honest question…. I’m not trying to sound like some kind of snob, because I have no formal musical education. Why so few harmonic variations these days? Did the taste of the general populace really shift that far? Or are people afraid to try new things? Both? It’s so subjective too. I should probably just stick to saying “it doesn’t do anything for me”, instead of saying “bland”, I suppose. Any kind of music that I’ve ever criticized for being too simple, predictable, whatever, there is someone out there who is a much better musician than I’ll ever be, who loves it. So there is no superiority in acting like a snob.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA Сағат бұрын
I take a long view. Music goes in cycles. Blues was awesome but it was often three chords and twelve bars… jazz developed out of it. Early rock was 3 chords and and within a period of time developed in the complicated yacht rock Songs.. which kids hated and they start simple punk songs. Country started out simply with three chords and then got real sophisticated starting in the eighties… the last decade it’s been back to fewer chords. But I’ve seen signs of that changing now. So the cycles continue. The good thing is today you aren’t bound to a radio. You can listen to whatever you like, anytime you like. So I focus 100% of my time on things that inspire me. Write on! CM
@williamphillips1852
@williamphillips1852 Күн бұрын
Maybe you are correct about about some songs. But I personally hate the songs on the radio that all sound like they have been written by the same group of Nashville writers. If I hear another song about pickup trucks and whiskey I’m going to throw up! I get that these songs are selling because young people love to party and drink, but there is no substance. Same chord progression and melody. I want a song that makes me feel something! Merle Haggard, John Prine ,Townes VanVan Zandt , Rodney Crowell and Guy Clark all wrote songs that were completely amazing and each one was different. Not this cookie cutter crap that is getting all the play time these days. Just my humble opinion as a singer songwriter.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA Күн бұрын
Those writers are some of my all time fav! I personally spend zero time trashing other people’s art because it takes away from the my own creative spirt and time. I focus on music that inspires me. Write on! CM
@Scott__C
@Scott__C Күн бұрын
I think Cat's in the Cradle is a great example of a song moving over time but staying in the present tense. Great info.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA Күн бұрын
A story song can definitely move through time. And that’s a great one! Write on! CM
@wergulublue7102
@wergulublue7102 2 күн бұрын
I saw a quote from Mr Sting the other day saying music is its own reward ! I Think thats why we all do it,cause it makes us feel good , maybe success is not loosing sight of that , do you enjoy it more than you did last year ? If yes thats progress !
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA Күн бұрын
Write on! It feeds the soul and heals the heart! CM
@DelMusic56
@DelMusic56 2 күн бұрын
Brilliant show ❤ I would appreciate you listening to my tune . lost in Time.. . It was just me playing the keyboard in the kitchen and singing. I would really appreciate your opinion thank you so much 🙂
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 2 күн бұрын
Check out our community tab for the link to submit a song for our next live listening session
@DelMusic56
@DelMusic56 2 күн бұрын
@SongTownUSA thank you so much. I will do
@slugtoenail
@slugtoenail 2 күн бұрын
Great stuff, as always! I didn't know you went to Berklee, Clay. Very cool!
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 2 күн бұрын
Loved Boston! Write on! CM
@slugtoenail
@slugtoenail 2 күн бұрын
@SongTownUSA me too! A great place.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 21 сағат бұрын
Awesome!
@kennyowensthewheatpennies
@kennyowensthewheatpennies 2 күн бұрын
Thanks! Enjoyed this episode.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 2 күн бұрын
Write on!
@FrankLodato
@FrankLodato 2 күн бұрын
Last night, I read a song I wrote in 2006 and it was horrific! I broke every songwriting rule and created new rules to destroy. It’s possible I was drinking.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 2 күн бұрын
Been there!
@soccerrayray9
@soccerrayray9 2 күн бұрын
These are great and inspirational. Keep them coming.
@fionaUKfio
@fionaUKfio 2 күн бұрын
Thank you for these videos every single one is so useful!
@brooklynsoundgarage
@brooklynsoundgarage 2 күн бұрын
8:35 this is gold 🔥🔥🔥
@fionaUKfio
@fionaUKfio 2 күн бұрын
For me Beyonces country album had a bit of that word association going on, like they threw as many country references in as they could.
@calvinbeard2764
@calvinbeard2764 2 күн бұрын
Lol...Let me show what you can get by with
@Arden7one
@Arden7one 2 күн бұрын
Attention, accountability and the ability to notice changes and phases of our life is fundamental I feel. Sensibility and sensitivity. I've always said to myself that allowing myself to be vulnerable is my greatest strength. Catharsis, dark nights of the soul, reflections, realisations, epiphanies, insights - it's all about the strive for harmonious equilibrium between the receptive nurturing feminine & the assertive focused masculine aspects within oneself. That's what separates us - the contexts as to which we have shaped ourselves against while growing up, voluntarily or not.. Thank you gents ❤🎙️🙏
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 2 күн бұрын
Write on!
@wergulublue7102
@wergulublue7102 3 күн бұрын
I dont worry about having a hit song, in fact I would worry if I had, I want to write or play a good song, that I like, that moves me, that makes me feel something, that entertains and engages me, maybe even changes me, thats all that matters to me. Then it will maybe reach someone else as well. It ain’t a competition, its a journey
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 3 күн бұрын
Songwriting is definitely a lifelong Journey! And everyone must go their own path. Write on! CM
@MazzloPeak
@MazzloPeak 3 күн бұрын
anyone else find it hard to "find your tribe?" I would love some song writing buddies and I just wonder if anyone else struggles with finding people to write with.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 3 күн бұрын
That's the biggest reason we started SongTown.com. Our members write together, leran together, and build relationships. CM
@greyvalen1233
@greyvalen1233 3 күн бұрын
You’ve been with me all day long like a melody of a song my distraction through this traffic The keep me alive ,at this dead end job I’ve been a stuck out here mess, all I wanna do with you stuck in my head I’m getting close, got you on my phone, girl you always know, how to let me let this go Cuz tonight I’m bringing it home
@TheSrogers0331
@TheSrogers0331 4 күн бұрын
First time seeing this channel. How does one go about submitting a song for review?
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 3 күн бұрын
Welcome! Check the community tab.
@sethfort568
@sethfort568 4 күн бұрын
The content this channel puts out is amazing and extremely helpful in improving my songwriting. I was wondering if it was possible to equalize the volumes? I find myself constantly adjusting the volume because of the volume of one person being very low or the song being extremely loud. I get that its difficult to do during the live content, but for the uploads after it would be very helpful.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
Thx, yes we will have this fix on our next live event coming up. Check the community tab to submit a song. CM
@Cosgrove247
@Cosgrove247 4 күн бұрын
You guys are just so down to earth and humble. Thanks a lot for that!
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
Appreciate you saying that & watching! Write on! CM
@1962RJP
@1962RJP 4 күн бұрын
Can you go into more detail: Do all titles you come up with go into the data base? Anything that comes in your head or do you rank them? How often do you enter titles or ideas into the data base?
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
I personally put titles and I deas that I feel are worthy of writing. But you can do any system that works for you. Write on! CM
@calvinbeard2764
@calvinbeard2764 4 күн бұрын
The Truth is , nobody knows what a hit song is. That comes from listener. Your talent comes from God or the other guy. Period
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
And we can do a huge amount of growing and developing our talent. I've seen super talented people waste it and I've seen marginally talented people develope into world class writers. Hard work tends to beat talent over time. Thx for chiming in on the conversation! CM
@rickranum1
@rickranum1 4 күн бұрын
Chase, I love this. Thank you Rick
@GettinBonked
@GettinBonked 4 күн бұрын
Loved this one you guys! Thank you so much 🙏🏼
@laurenblainebamartistmgt
@laurenblainebamartistmgt 4 күн бұрын
“What a jerk” hahaha
@TerryStephensonmusic
@TerryStephensonmusic 4 күн бұрын
sure a lot easier to get organized now..I use the phone also Clay, and get an idea and try to write it and get the basic song or often most of it...type the lyrics and play it again and again to try to finish it...record it again if complete or nearly and delete all the old recordings and snippets..email it and try to take out the weak spots later if there is any..thanks for the video
@GettinBonked
@GettinBonked 4 күн бұрын
“Hold up let me check my notes” 🤧🫠
@GettinBonked
@GettinBonked 4 күн бұрын
Amazing advice from you guys! You guys really are just leveling up my confidence with writing songs and I appreciate it so much 🙏🏼
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
Really glad to help! CM
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
Glad to help!
@TEMPLEVALLEYGENETICS
@TEMPLEVALLEYGENETICS 4 күн бұрын
You would think a Record Label could sort it out
@shafersongs
@shafersongs Минут бұрын
Like a record label would care. They just want it presented to them on a plate. With parsley.
@deltavistastudio124
@deltavistastudio124 4 күн бұрын
How about: "Guess I went and gone and done it.." Then: "I know she really meant it..."? "'I'm STUCK in the memory of us, and she's movin' on..."?
@michellesieders1352
@michellesieders1352 4 күн бұрын
Do you think it is possible to ‘re-write’ a song you wrote that isn’t strong and make it better? Say if you love the original idea still, rather than scrap it totally and have to move on?
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
Absolutely! I tweak my songs all the time to make them better! CM
@davidhayesmusic1069
@davidhayesmusic1069 4 күн бұрын
Great video Clay and Marty! I write mostly for sync and Disco is fantastic and like Clay mentioned an industry standard.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
Write on! CM
@tomforsythe7024
@tomforsythe7024 4 күн бұрын
Things you will never hear a songwriter say "no thanks, I'm not hungry."
@Arden7one
@Arden7one 4 күн бұрын
9:10 "Yeah dude, without a mentor, dug up the ditch I've now also buried myself under.."😂 Songwriting be easy, right.. I'm so grateful for those vulnerable and so needed hidden behind industry veils artistry gems of conversations 😍🙏 it's already time to find the right mentor 😇 hope to chat to you gents on the inside of the Song Town community 🤗
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
Glad it’s helpful and yes, SongTown with level up your songwriting skills in a big way! CM
@fionaUKfio
@fionaUKfio 4 күн бұрын
I love this channel. I watch one video from you guys every single day and take notes as I watch so the info really sinks in.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
Glad it is helpful! Write on! CM
@johnnyxmusic
@johnnyxmusic 4 күн бұрын
One good song. That’s all I want to write. I don’t mind if I have to write 1000 bad ones to get there.😊
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
Write on! CM
@johnnyxmusic
@johnnyxmusic 4 күн бұрын
@ I mean, I started this comment, and then I noticed it wasn’t recording… The thing is I was so affected by the Beatles and The Who and other bands that even if I kind of suck as a musician, I made the decision at some point, that I have to live my life in tribute to them. I know I haven’t really dug deeply enough into myself. I mean, I’ve written a lot of songs. Anyway… The pursuit is worth it.
@dancooney4320
@dancooney4320 4 күн бұрын
Sweet! You guys are terrific! I honestly can't believe the value of Song Town. I've paid $2800 for retreats (which were fantastic), yet I have learned as much from your lessons. Each course is it’s own retreat! 🎉
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
Awesome! Yes, we teach our SongTown members what we do every day in pro writing rooms. 1,000 plus lessons and courses on the website. Write on! CM
@thesongwritersjourney
@thesongwritersjourney 4 күн бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing. Little tips like this are so helpful.
@SongTownUSA
@SongTownUSA 4 күн бұрын
You are so welcome!
@burlywhistlepig
@burlywhistlepig 4 күн бұрын
More solid advice from 2 great Pros .-) I'm a fan of Disco, MasterWriter and Session Studio. In my circle of writers and Pubs those seem to be pretty standard.
@Laudodrums
@Laudodrums 4 күн бұрын
The “I’m a B, I’m a lover -saint -sinner” song you quoted sounds a lot like a twist on the Steve Miller band…
@blakesimon2927
@blakesimon2927 4 күн бұрын
I've just been doing this! Have a bunch of song titles, melodies, and choruses in my voice memos and notes from the past 3-4 years that I'm organizing for myself.