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@User1422AV
@User1422AV 18 күн бұрын
Hi, good day. What is the code you use to deinterlace with qtgmc and scale from SD to UHD? Could you share it if it's not a hassle? Thanks.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 17 күн бұрын
Hello, it's been a while since I did this post. In the meantime, my workflow has changed several times. I now do everything with Davinci Resolve, the paid version admittedly. Deinterlace with Neural engine, temporal noise reduction, upscale with Super scale. The result is certainly as good as QTGMC and all the scripts used by Vapoursynth. If you want to use Vapoursynth I recommend the program Hybrid. www.selur.de/ this is a program that uses almost all known tools in the video world, and so also Vapoursynth to manupulate videos. You do need to know it and what to set up. If you want I will help you with that. If you still want to use Vapoursynth standalone I will look if I still have the script and will post it here.
@User1422AV
@User1422AV 17 күн бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 Hello; Good day. Thank you very much for your reply. It is true, although you published this video some time ago, of all the videos you have published, this particular video, in my opinion, is the one with the best image detail. So much so, that it looks like a capture from Betacam instead of a VHS. That is why I specifically asked you about this video. I have some VHS captured at 10-bit 422 YCbCr (V210), which I would like to deinterlace in such a way that they have the image quality of this video that you published. At the time I did some tests with Avisynth together with AvsPmod to create the basic deinterlacing script with Qtgmc, to execute said script with VirtualDub2 and thus be able to carry out the deinterlacing process. I was not very satisfied with the result obtained so I continued looking for more information. And the best thing I've seen so far is that deinterlacing using VapourSynth is the best I've seen, although I don't know how to use it and it's apparently more complex to run than AviSynth. As NLE I've always used Adobe Premiere, but I don't think it's a suitable program for deinterlacing and scaling video, unless the video is a progressive video from Origin. I'd have to test Davinci Resolve, since I've never used it and it would be a new world for me. If you have the script you used to process this video, and can post it, I'd be really grateful. Thank you very much for your reply.
@corgiverse9550
@corgiverse9550 24 күн бұрын
how can i tell if a camera is multi-tube?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 24 күн бұрын
Do you have a tube camera?
@corgiverse9550
@corgiverse9550 23 күн бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 not yet. but looking :3
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 17 күн бұрын
@@corgiverse9550 3 tube cameras are professional or semi-professional. The lenses are interchangeable and are typical TV lenses such as Fujinon TV (2/3 inch) lenses. They are large and heavy, parfocal and manual and have a motor zoom. The cameras are heavy and made of metal. These cameras have a large viewfinder with very clear and large image. These cameras have an option to generate color bars, and everything is controlled by switches and buttons on the outside. These cameras can usually be opened on both sides with a door and all the electronics in in form of cards easily accessible. These cameras have a proffesional connection for recorder or studio. The image quality is superior to consumer single tube cameras. Most single tube cameras are consumer cameras. They are plastic, including the lenses. The lenses are fixed. They are much lighter and usually have a very small viewfinder with small image. The electronics are crammed into a small housing and difficult to access. There are far fewer ways to operate the camera manually. The connections are consumer connections for consumer portable VHS recorder etc. The image quality is poor, especially the colors are a disaster. An exception are Cameras with a Trinocon single tube. The colors are better but the resolution is not. A professional single tube Trinicon camera is e.g. the Sony DXC 1820p.
@alessiochiarelli4357
@alessiochiarelli4357 24 күн бұрын
5:10 😀
@1995ziutek
@1995ziutek Ай бұрын
The image quality is amazing. What program did you use to capture the film from the tape?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 Ай бұрын
Hello, you shouldn't capture DV it is a digital format. You have to do a transfer via firewire port to a firewire card in your PC. (Or a mac pc, they have a firewire port by default) I use Enosoft DV Processor to do the transfer, of course without processing so you get a bitperfect copy.
@moow950
@moow950 Ай бұрын
Ah, any respected photo editing software can do these tricks now. Amazing to realise this is all done in software now, instead of using very expensive hardware. I am using the Photoshop competitors Pixelmator Pro and Affinity Photo, which are free of any Adobe subscription crap and can do just as much.
@retro-nl
@retro-nl 2 ай бұрын
Je zou denken dat dit opnames zijn voor Dinges! van de NCRV....
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 2 ай бұрын
Dat zou inderdaad kunnen zijn. Ik heb enkele fragmenten van Dinges bekeken hier op yt en deze lijken me zeer gelijkaardig. Misschien zijn de opnames die ik heb wel nooit gebruikt. Bedankt alvast voor de tip.
@BeauVerwijlen
@BeauVerwijlen 2 ай бұрын
Camerakwaliteit beter dan die van mijn smartphone.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 2 ай бұрын
Tijd voor een nieuwe smartphone! :-)
@Doorhetoogvaneenautist
@Doorhetoogvaneenautist 2 ай бұрын
Dat is lang geleden! Toen was ik 4 jaar!
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 2 ай бұрын
Dan zijn dekinderen in deze video nu generatiegenoten van jou.
@Doorhetoogvaneenautist
@Doorhetoogvaneenautist 2 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 klopt!
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 2 ай бұрын
Reacties stonden uit, mijn excuses. / Comments were turned off, my apologies.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 2 ай бұрын
Dit zijn camera originals opgenomen op Betacam (niet Betacam SP) Vermoedlijkt rond 1986. Één van de kinderen zingt een liedje (12:23) van Henny Huisman: "Later als je groot bent" Dat was een hit in 1986 in Nederlend dus vandaar mijn vermoeden. Kan iemand mij helpen en zeggen voor welk programma dit was? En welke omroep? Misshien herkent iemand zichzelf?
@Bazz1982
@Bazz1982 3 ай бұрын
Waarom las eigenlijk Martine zelf de hesdlines niet voor bij de intro?
@Mr.Mt2001
@Mr.Mt2001 3 ай бұрын
@Michal12340
@Michal12340 3 ай бұрын
Hi, Is there a chance of support with what I am trying to achieve. I have many Hi8 tapes waiting to be digitized and also I'm planning to keep using analogue camcorder in the future. The camera I used for recording was Sony ccd-tr728e. I really want to obtain best possible footage with what I already have which is: Sony evo-9700p player, Datavideo se-800, Ultrastudio Recorder 3g. DaVinci resolve studio, OBS. I'm not familiar with ffmpeg atm... S-video from 9700 to se-800. Digital sdi from se-800 to recorder 3g. Thunderbolt 3g to PC windows10. Capturing in OBS, rendering in Resolve. That's how I tried so far. I've spent days figuring out and trying different settings to get satisfied results. With your knowledge and experience it may probably take few minutes creating best workflow. The Outcome of videos 1080 hd or 4k if possible. All for personal home use(monitor /TV)
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 3 ай бұрын
Hello, you are already well informed and your workflow is not bad either. The EVO-9700P (I also have one) does not have a line TBC and that is something you are missing. I have an EVO-9850P. The image is much more stable with a Line TBC. Maybe get a digital 8 camcorder that can play hi8 and also have a TBC. Do you have davinci resolve with license? I recommend that, the free version lacks important options. 1. Capture certainly in uncompressed 10 bit 422 color space. 2. Import into DVR, set 720x576 PAL and enable interlaced processing. 3. set Deinterlaced quality in image scaling on DaVinci Neural Engine 4. Go to Clip Attributes and set from Auto to Full. This is necessary but requires a long explanation. 5. Do noise reduction with Temporal NR. (license version) 6. Definitely do not choose H264 or H265 for export. Afterwards, this could be done much better in a different way. either output uncompressed 10 bit 422 or prores hq or similar. 7. Optionally choose upscale with DVR superscale (x4)(license version). 8. install hybrid video. and ask for an explanation again. This would be too much now. here you will encode in h264 or h265. If you choose not to deinterlace and upscale in DVR, things are different. Just let us know what you want.
@Michal12340
@Michal12340 3 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 Hi! Thank you for responding. It means a lot. I'm going to start from top to bottom. Currently I can't see any EVO-9850 on the market.. What about TBC at SE-800? On page 7 Manual says: "The SE-800 has a full frame synchronizer (also known as a time base corrector or TBC) at its Main and Sub Source inputs (2 total) to insure switches without distortion and smooth, well-regulated video at its output. In addition to its digital memory, a TBC also has controls that affect the look of the video that passes through it." OK, I'm not sure how much of a "full frame" TBC he does have but there must be some kind? Also recently I've noticed that there's different types of SE-800 available.. The one I own does have 3x SDI Digital output. I came across other SE-800 with only one digital output and it looked more like kind of DV port, but there was no SDI at all. Also the difference was with the sliders at the front panel "bottom left side". My does have Main, VCR, MUSIC, MIC/AUX. The other SE-800 I saw had MASTER, VIDEO, AUX-1, AUX-2/mic. I wonder if there's any difference between these two with internal components including TBC itself... I'm sure that there's some TBC devices which stabilising video really nicely. You mentioned about digital8 camcorders... I wonder if there's a big difference in video quality and colour reproduction comparing EVO-9700p+ SE800 vs Digital8 camcorder. Probably Digital8 camcorder footage will be more stabile... but what about the rest? ... 2nd message on its way
@Michal12340
@Michal12340 3 ай бұрын
When it comes to capturing the video... I use OBS studio and DaVinci licensed full version. Responding to your points... 1. 16 bit 422 or 10 bit 420... and others, but there's no 10 bit 422 option. Unless I am doing something wrong.. What about "container format" in Settings/output/recording? "video bitrate"? I'm guessing I should set 50fps while capturing in OBS and also 50fps in Davinci? or? Sorry for such questions, I just want to be sure that all is set correctly. 2. While I'm still in OBS in "Properties for Blackmagic Devices"... "Mode" is set to 625i50 PAL, and I believe that's my camcorder output. Should I still "set 720x576 PAL" in DVR? 3,4,5,6,7. Done 8. I haven't tried yet, but I will. Same with ffmpeg. I do have it but I didn't touch it. I already spent days trying to absorb much as I can.. Hybrid video and ffmpeg will be my next step.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 3 ай бұрын
@@Michal12340 Hi Michal (I don't know if that is your name) What a "TBC" is is the subject of many discussions in many forums that deal with digitizing video tape. A lot of nonsense is told, but sometimes also correct information. Actually it's quite simple. There is a "LINE TBC" and a "FRAME BUFFER TBC". Due to the mechanical aspect in video playback, the speed variations in transport of the tape and the speed variations in the rotation of the video head, not all scan lines of PAL or NTSC video last the same length. In principle, one PAL scan line lasts 64 µs. In addition, all scanlines must start at the same time. All this is determined by sync pulses of one scan line, and therefore 625 scan lines for one full frame in PAL (interlacing is not taken into account in this explanation, but it should actually be) Because due to this variation not all lines have the same duration and they are not on starting at the same time, you will see wobbling lines in the image from left to right and vice versa. Those are "time base" errors. A "LINE TBC" will correct these errors. It will ensure that all lines start at the same time and last the same length and adds newly generated sync pulses to each scan line. This can be a simple analog "LINE TBC" to a modern digital "LINE TBC". Video recorders with a TBC have this "LINE TBC" and therefore correct these errors. From consumer VHS (or other) recorders to professional Betacam SP or other professional systems. "FRAME BUFFER TBC" is a TBC that only digitizes a complete frame without looking at the scan lines separately, so it takes over all "LINE TBC" errors and puts them in a buffer. Then the sync pulses are removed like a "LINE TBC" does and new ones are added. You have now also created a worthy broadcast level video signal without solving the "LINE TBC" errors. That's what the SE-800 does. Basically to be able to mix 2 (or more) unsynchronized video sources. In addition, the SE-800 also solves dropouts and other errors in your video because it actually generates a new video signal. So a combination of first a LINE TBC" and then a "FRAME BUFFER" TBC is desirable. Our great fortune is that the SE-800 outputs this digital signal via an SDI output and thus avoids having to digitize again via a card such as eg the KONA LHI from AJA. I am going to give a second answer for the other questions.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 3 ай бұрын
@@Michal12340 The 3 SDI connections you see on the SE-800 are: one direct SDI output that you must use. one SDI input to be able to "overlay" with another SDI source. one SDI output that has the mix of the 2. Don't worry about the last 2. The SE-800 also has a DV output (and inputs) (8 bit 4:2:0 color space 1/5 compression). But we don't use that. I don't know the type you mention without the SDI, but as far as "FRAME BUFFER TBC" is concerned, all are the same. (Every consumer video mixer of any brand is a "FRAME BUFFER TBC". The SE-800 also has an analog "black burst" just google what that is for, otherwise it will be too much here. There is a mixer that also has a " LINE TBC" and that is the Videonix MX1, mind you, this is a big exception. (Sony also had one but can't remember the type anymore) So if you use this behind your EVO-9700 then your video is perfectly stabilized. This of course it has no digital output, so you still have to digitize it yourself.
@Tutelarysine
@Tutelarysine 3 ай бұрын
Hey, I have a Sony DVW 700 and I'm new to all this professional video equipment. Is there anyway to archived this type of video quality with my camera. Can also list the equipment need to do so tapeless.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 3 ай бұрын
Hello, unfortunately I'm afraid not. The camera does not have a component (YPbPr) output. So only a Composite video output. Logically it is a full digital camera. There you can not achieve that quality. But... The Digital Betacam is already so good. So if you record with tape you achieve the same quality and possibly better. You have to buy a Digital Betacam player, take the digital output and connect it with e.g. a "Blackmagic UltraStudio Recorder 3G" via thunderbold to your PC or Laptop and capture with OBS studio or the included Black Magic software. e.g. Digital Betacam www.ebay.com/itm/364963431383?itmmeta=01J1078C8CR6CPAEBV556ERQT1&hash=item54f98403d7:g:A64AAOSw-pxmdcc1
@matthewbuick373
@matthewbuick373 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful footage! Since we don't have the advantage of seeing this footage prior to youtube compression, if I may ask, would your say there is a visible picture quality advantage to this camera having three sensors? Thanks for your time, I love this channel! :)
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 3 ай бұрын
Hello, that depends what you are comparing to. If you compare with cameras of this period and type, this camera certainly has a much better image. Today, cameras have evolved and are no longer comparable. But know that today's broadcast studio 4k TV cameras also have 3 2/3 inch CMOS sensors. Just look at Sony and Ikegami.
@kapitaen1966
@kapitaen1966 5 ай бұрын
Nie war Eiskunstlauf in der Bundesrepublik wohl populärer als zu dieser Zeit. Kein Eislaufpaar war bekannter, daneben natürlich auch dem einzigen deutschen männlichen Weltmeister im Eiskunstlauf, Manfred Schnelldorfer. Habe Kilius/Bäumler als Kind einmal bei in der Nürnberger Messehalle gesehen, die schon längst keine Messhalle mehr ist. Wobei Norbert Schramm und Rudi Cerne auch in ihrer Zeit sehr populär waren, im Gegensatz zu Witt, die eher in der stalinistischen DDR-Diktatur eine Rolle spielte, aber hier in der Bundesrepublik ziemlich unbeliebt gewesen ist. Man wusste es ja: Die Erfolge der Ostzonen-Sportler waren i.d.R. gespritzt.
@hanneloreschmutzler6725
@hanneloreschmutzler6725 Ай бұрын
Unsinn, typisch westdeutsche Meinung
@Leoplanelover
@Leoplanelover 5 ай бұрын
Ppl who saw the langerlo fall
@salvatorev_
@salvatorev_ 5 ай бұрын
The result of the video digitization is wonderful, I also have the V-6000 Pro camera now fully functional, my problem is that I have not yet found a quality video capture card, which one do you use?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 5 ай бұрын
Read the discription. Its all there.
@salvatorev_
@salvatorev_ 5 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 I read it but I can't tell where you mention the video capture card you use?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 5 ай бұрын
@@salvatorev_ Hi, this is a "chain" The actual conversion from analog to digital is done by the SE-800. So it is not one capture card but consists of the parts I mentioned. So I do not use such a thing as a capture card. S-video out to MII Recorder AU-W35H for use TBC. S-Video out from AU-35H to S-VIDEO in Data Video Mixer SE-800 for use Frame buffer and digitize. SDI out from SE-800 to Blackmagic Design UltraStudio 3G Recorder SDI in. 3G Recorder Thunderbolt out to Laptop.
@salvatorev_
@salvatorev_ 5 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 If I understand correctly, you play the tape from the device and connect it where?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 5 ай бұрын
You should google the devices I list in my previous reply. Then you can get an idea of what I do. I will then answer you afterwards because then you can understand it better.
@卡拉永遠OK唱不完
@卡拉永遠OK唱不完 5 ай бұрын
I have a Sony Mini DV camcorder PAL region which was given to me by my uncle which I used it to capture my NTSC laserdisc so is there any way to convert them to NTSC to get 59.94fps?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 5 ай бұрын
Is your laserdisc an NTSC device, so output is analog NTSC?
@卡拉永遠OK唱不完
@卡拉永遠OK唱不完 5 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 My LD is NTSC but my Handycam is a Sony DCR-PC105E PAL region.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 5 ай бұрын
@@卡拉永遠OK唱不完 Then I am afraid you are better off with a capture card or usb capture device and so save it on your computer in possibly the DV or other format. Then you can do it directly in NTSC format. Converting is a bad idea anyway, it gives a lot of quality loss. Keep in mind that you will have to deinterlace to get 60fps.
@卡拉永遠OK唱不完
@卡拉永遠OK唱不完 5 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 well I’m okay with it since I have some decent l ones like the BMD Intensity Shuttle, Matrox MX02 Mini and Pinnacle Avid Liquid Edition Pro 6. For both NTSC and PAL video, I normally use Handbrake to deinterlace but for PAL if you selected 59.94 it would output 50fps.
@Retroscoop
@Retroscoop 5 ай бұрын
Omg... 1:51 Sabena bestond toen nog, de oranje bestelwagens van de taratataa RTT ofte "Regie Telefonie & Telegraaf".... De Quick op 2:57.... Nog geen smartphones of gsm's, geen venten met oorbellen of tattoos tenzij misschien een verdwaalde schipper.... De mode uit de 1970's laaide toen weer op voor meisjes, met flares / bell bottom jeans en zo... 't lijkt wel een eeuwigheid geleden, en toch ook weer niet....
@premiumproductions9041
@premiumproductions9041 6 ай бұрын
Took all the nostalgia out of the footage with the conversation 🤦🏾‍♂️
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 6 ай бұрын
I don't understand some of the comments. Not this one either.
@premiumproductions9041
@premiumproductions9041 6 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 it was supposed to say CONVERSION but google Auto corrected it to conversation
@Prismit-m7v
@Prismit-m7v 6 ай бұрын
Hi, can you recommend a Hi8 camera that makes similar videos as the V5000/6000 but is more portable and you don't have to carry it on your shoulder? The other Hi8 cams I see on KZbin don't take such soft colorful smoothe pictures and all have such a hard sharp aesthetic.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 6 ай бұрын
Hello, thank you in advance for watching my videos. I understand your question. My answer may be a bit disappointing, but it is less about the camera and more about the way in which digitization is done. Digitizing SD PAL or NTSC video here on KZbin usually looks bad and that is what you see. The V5000/6000 was just an ordinary consumer camera with a ton of options, which is why it had the PRO label on it. The best HI8 Amateur camera ever made that you should not carry on your shoulder is the Sony VX1 (PAL) or the Sony VX3 (NTSC). If you can still find it, buy it immediately! The best true PRO Hi8 stuff ever made is the EVV-9000 backend for broadcast cameras and the EVW-300 one-piece camera. Can I ask what you're going to do with it?
@Prismit-m7v
@Prismit-m7v 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the answer. Not disappointing at all, but surprising. So I don't need a pro Monster sized camera. Im making short movies for myself i don't like that digital Look nor pseudoanalog look. So a cam from the ccd-trv series would also archive a similar look, when its digitized and postproducted the right way?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 6 ай бұрын
@@Prismit-m7v Yes definitely. They are single sensor cameras and at that time bayer sensor colors were not so natural because of the limited number of photo sites (pixels). That's why I suggested the 3CCD VX1 or VX3. Digitizing in the right way and in high quality is the most important thing. That will make the difference. Just keep in mind that those handycams are very light have no stabilization and thus make very shaky images. Hence ammateurs liked to have a heavier shoulder camera myself included.
@Prismit-m7v
@Prismit-m7v 6 ай бұрын
Does your digitization/workflow have a specific name or can you perhaps give me a link to a tutorial?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 6 ай бұрын
@@Prismit-m7v Now you open Pandoa's box. I have explained this in several other KZbin videos in the comments. Over time I have made some adjustments. I have chosen this completely myself, so it is my personal preference. I wanted the maximum quality and not the easiest, cheapest and fastest. Anyway, here's a summary: Playback of videos on professional equipment. for VHS/Super VHS Panasonic AG-7750 for Video 8/Hi8 Sony EVO-9700P or EVO-9850 for Umatic Sony VO-9850 for Betacam Sony BVW-70 or PVW-2800 for M II format (not so common) PANASONIC MII - AU-W35H I have other High end consumer recorders... Analog output from s-video or component recorders (certainly not a composite) to Datavideo SE-800 mixer only for frame buffering. Digital SDI output from SE-800 to Blackmagic Design UltraStudio Recorder 3G. Capture in uncompressed 10bit 422 color space with ffmpeg (also possible in lossless ffv1 codec) or blackmagic software or OBS studio. Post-production in Davinci resolve (licensed version) Deinterlacing with davinci resolve neural engine, noise reduction and corrections. Upscale (4k) in Davinci Resolve with superscale. Output in Davinci Resolve in uncompressed 10bit 422 or sometimes DNxHR. Alternative: Deinterlace with QTGMC via vapoursynth via Hybrid video. (www.selur.de/) also upscale via Hybrid video with NNEDI3 method. Encoding with ffmpeg (Hybrid video) with H264 or H265 in 10bit 422 colorspace -superslow -constant rate -16 quantization factor. Upload to youtube. I did capturing before with my AJA Kona LHI in an old Mac computer. I know this is overwhelming when you hear this, but it also took me a while to arrive at this method.
@DiegodDois
@DiegodDois 6 ай бұрын
muito top esse release.. nossa.. assistia todos os dias nos anos 90.. valeu pelo video..
@belgianfries3739
@belgianfries3739 6 ай бұрын
Iemand nog enig idee hoe de broodjeszaak noemde in de jaren 90, gelegen in de bampslaan (vlak langs videotheek circle)? Of heeft de maker van deze toffe video toevallig beeldmateriaal liggen van de stationsbuurt Hasselt+bampslaan? ;-)
@BeerschotNostalgie
@BeerschotNostalgie 6 ай бұрын
Dit is het Beerschotstadion te Antwerpen
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 6 ай бұрын
Aha, ja jij kan het weten! Bedankt voor deze info.
@paulmeester5401
@paulmeester5401 6 ай бұрын
Ze knippen gewoon een volkswagen karmann ghia kapot die zijn nu goud waard...😢
@speedyboishan87
@speedyboishan87 7 ай бұрын
How does VHS look on a large 65 inch 4K TV.
@jackmilne9764
@jackmilne9764 7 ай бұрын
I was hoping it looks retro but it looks very modern up to date!
@orihalcon8693
@orihalcon8693 8 ай бұрын
Do you notice a big difference with the W35H in the chain? I think the SE-800 has a TBC in it as well, so that seems like the W35H may not be needed in the chain? The W35H describes its TBC as a "3D TBC", but given that it is from 1982, odds are that it is truncating the color depth into 8 bits or less while it is digital, so the later 10 bit capture probably doesn't gain you anything over an 8 bit capture (which would take up a lot less disk space)., Wondering if you could post the same capture without that in the chain as I'm curious what it adds or if the color changes at all. I would be curious if the 3D TBC does anything to get rid of line dropouts perhaps? Thanks!
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 8 ай бұрын
Hello, thank you for your detailed response. I'm going to give some explanation and maybe say things you already knew, my apologies for this; I like to explain it long and straight, so hold on tight. First the Panasonic MII W35H: "The MII video format was developed by Panasonic in 1986 to compete with Sony's Betacam SP format. It was built upon the unsuccessful Matsushita / RCA 'M' format (1982)." So the recorder is from after 1986, more specifically from 1994. The recorder's TBC is a "LINE TBC" this type of TBC solves wobbly images and other unstable conditions due to small speed variations of the tape running and rotation of the video head, stretched tapes, etc. And this LINE TBC is one of the best I have ever come across. The image via the W35H is super tight, I think you've seen that. I can also use the TBC of my SONY PVW-2800 Betacam SP recorder or my Panasonic AG-7750 Super VHS recorder. My Digital 8 Camcorders that also play Analog Hi8 tapes with a LINE TBC also do less well. The LINE TBC also removes the sync pulses from the video signal and generates stable broadcast-worthy sync pulses. So I can also digitize without the SE-800. All capture devices accept the signal via a LINE TBC. Also my AJA KONA LHi, Black Magic mini converter and AJA V2DIGITAL. So I have plenty of choice. Without a TBC, forget it. And now the SE-800: The SE-800 is a prosumer mixing console. The kind that accepts unsynchronized SD video signals. Studio mixing consoles and all connected devices are all in sync by means of a "black burst" (reference sync pulses) and therefore do not require a frame buffer in the mixing console. So the SE-800 does. The manual mentions a TBC, but if you read carefully they talk about a FRAME BUFFER TBC. This is a completely different thing than a LINE TBC. A frame buffer takes each frame as it is (photo) into a buffer, keeps track of the image and adds new sync pulses to it. Because this is a mixing console it keeps track of the images from all inputs and puts them in sync using... that frame buffer so you can blend. This is done digitally (10bit 422 color space) So a frame buffer TBC does not care about the content. You can use a worn-out consumer VHS recorder with a worn-out tape as input, and it will produce a broadcast-worthy image. But nothing will have changed in the content, i.e. before our eyes the image will be very poor. The capture devices know nothing about the content and will digitize without any problems. Think of it as someone who takes a photo of a CRT screen 25 times per second and puts these photos in a timeline of an NLE and makes a video file from them. Maybe a crazy metaphor, but I can't think of any other. A real example: When I do FF or RW on the Hi8 recorder with only the LINE TBC of the W35H, the capture devices say no. With the SE-800 in between they show the reeling of the tape as you would see when connected directly to a CRT. So the SE-800 does have a function and the SDI output is the max. P.S. Almost all prosumer mixing consoles only have a Frame buffer, with a few exceptions. The Videonix MX1 is one of those, so it also has a real LINE TBC (10 bit 422) Voila, now I stop.
@orihalcon8693
@orihalcon8693 8 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 Thanks for the detailed response! Very interesting, I was unaware that the MX1 had a line TBC. I actually have one of them, but haven't done really any testing with it. I was under the impression that it was a frame TBC as well. Is there any advantage to using the W35 on say VHS when the player itself has a line TBC? One thing I haven't been able to really determine is if the JVC/Panasonics with line TBCs do the buffering in 8 bit or 10 bit 4:2:2 as I'm guessing there's a potential for a bottleneck in color depth there. Also what hardware do find works best on multigenerational tapes to improve "baked in" line TBC errors?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 8 ай бұрын
@@orihalcon8693 Once you have passed through a line tbc or framebuffer tbc there is no point in passing through another line tbc. The perfect sync pulses created by the previous line tbc means that nothing more will happen through a subsequent line tbc. Especially not if you have passed through a frame buffer tbc because it creates a perfect image (even if the content looks wobbly and bad) so a next line tbc cannot do anything more. That also answers your question whether you can correct "backed in tbc errors". So no, you are actually asking if a line tbc is intelligent enough to understand what is on the image. A line TBC looks at the timing of the sync pulses and if they are perfect nothing happens. Maybe in a few years when AI technology is more advanced to interpret interlaced SD video and then correct that. (just kidding or not?). Don't worry about 8 or 10 bit. Most Line tbc's in prosumer vhs recorders work analog with a delay line as the linchpin in the circuit. Only the very last models were digital. We are not talking about a codec like today in modern cameras but hardware ad-da without storage or compression. PS. So always put a framebuffer TBC AFTER a Line TCB! A frame buffer is a solution for dropped frames and other sliders that a line tbc does not solve (unless all in one tbc's like the MX1)
@orihalcon8693
@orihalcon8693 7 ай бұрын
​@@videotaperetro1126 Thanks again for the info! Do you have any tips on how to avoid or manage line dropouts? I know most VHS players do it internally to some degree, but a lot of those will produce a sort of "purple discoloration" where the bad line is.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 7 ай бұрын
@@orihalcon8693 Yes, I know what you mean. Unfortunately, I don't know of any miracle cure to fix this either. What I sometimes do when it's really bad is replay the tape. Chances are it's gone because it was probably a speck of dirt on the tape or head that is now gone. And then tinker around in the NLE to replace that frame.... And if it really needs to go, you can grab a piece of image from the previous frame in your NLE and place it over the glitch (masking). You must already have experience to do that. We (I) are not professional restorers, it remains a hobby. Serious dropouts are absorbed by the frame buffer.
@ConsumerDV
@ConsumerDV 8 ай бұрын
This looks amazing! Thank you!
@vetrov888
@vetrov888 8 ай бұрын
Sony 1,000th series color rendition is striking, cool retro style
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 8 ай бұрын
I don't understand your comment. what do you mean?
@henrypoole
@henrypoole 8 ай бұрын
Amazing quality
@speedyboishan87
@speedyboishan87 9 ай бұрын
Quality is excellent, would you ever use a DVD Recorder, heard they are not reliable and you will lose quality and detail and also they are junk.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 9 ай бұрын
hello, transferring to DVD means that you have digitized it but are not prepared to show it on KZbin. You have to deinterlace and upscale. The DVD is standard interlaced PAL (or NTSC). DVD is mpeg2. If you record in a high bitstream, the quality is not too bad and can even be good for direct playback on your TV. But who still does it? If you absolutely want to make a DVD, it is better to do so via a DVD recorder on your computer. I still have an external one just in case....
@speedyboishan87
@speedyboishan87 9 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 Hi just bought one of these, looking at your video's been very impressed with the quality and clarity, the card cannot strip Macrovision, you can use a Macrovision stripper, which i have 2 of and i am pretty sure the captures would be of excellent and amazing quality, the issue with some capture cards like HD versions from Hauppauge, Blackmagic they do not have a 3D Comb Filter or TBC without any of these the video's captured will not look good, artifacts, blockiness, tearing etc. The capture card you have used is for professional use and highly recommended
@geenkannaal78654
@geenkannaal78654 9 ай бұрын
Wow. Heel goed kwaliteit. Kan je enkele tips geven?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 9 ай бұрын
Hallo, ik wil je zeker helpen met digitaliseren. Kan je mij je workflow even vertellen? Dan kan ik daar op verder gaan. Je kan ook eens naar mijn andere videos kijken op mijn kanaal, in verschillende videos heb ik mijn workflow al een toegelicht. Lees ook de omschrijving van de videos.
@geenkannaal78654
@geenkannaal78654 9 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 Handig! Zal ik zeker doen.
@geenkannaal78654
@geenkannaal78654 9 ай бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 Beste, ik heb veel van uw video's van uw kanaal bekeken en ben echt onder de indruk van de kwaliteit. Ik heb ook veel van de comments gelezen en ook een paar van de video's bekeken die u aanrade. Ik wil u eerst en vooral u bedanken voor uw tijd die u hier hebt ingestoken. Ik versta echter niet alles helemaal en hoop dat u een paar van mijn vragen kan beantwoorden. Ik zal even mijn huidige workflow uitleggen. Als u iets aanraad of zou veranderen vertel het me gerust op welke manier u het zou doen. Al mijn bronnen zijn DVD's van het PAL(MPEG Video version 2) 720x576 at 25fps Main@Main formaat, ik heb dit uitgelezen met MediaInfo. Ik rip de Dvd's met MakeMKV. Waarna ik ze in Handbrake steek. Ik weet dat u fan bent van een combinatie van andere programma's maar zou toch voor het gemak Handbrake willen blijven gebruiken. Ik vind de simpliciteit van Handbrake aangenaam. Mijn doel is om het geheel nog redelijk simpel en snel te houden. Echter hoop ik dat u kennis mijn instellingen van Handbrake zou kunnen optimaliseren. Ik vind het grootste probleem dat ik nu heb is de deinterlacing. Na het deinterlacen zit ik soms met interlacing artifacts, kwaliteitsverlies en soms niet echt een vloeiend beeld. De meeste van mijn vragen zullen dus over deinterlacing gaan. De Handbrake instellingen: Upscale naar 1920x1080 x265 encoder preset: fast encoder profile: Main encoder level: Auto 25fps constant framerate constant Quality: RF 18 Filters : Detelecine: Default Interlace Detection: Default Deinterlace : Yadiff: Preset: Default Colorspace: BT709, deze colorspace werkt goed voor mij en ik hoef geen color correction. Vragen: Hoe deinterlace ik het best: Yadif of Bwdif of decomb? Bob of geen bob? Moet ik dan de fps instelling naar 50fps constant framerate zetten en zo ja bij welke deinterlace instellingen wel en bij welke niet? En moet ik detelecine? Wat gebeurt er als ik detelicine als er geen telecine is? Is dit erg? Zelfde met deinterlace. Als ik deinterlace als er geen interlace is, is dit dan erg? Ik heb al een paar keer deze instellingen zelf geprobeerd maar op den duur zie ik het bos door de bomen niet meer en hoop op uw expertise. Als u voor de rest tips heeft vertel ze gerust. Om het beeld scherper te maken of de bitrate efficiënter bijvoorbeeld. Voor de sport upload ik mijn video's naar mijn KZbin kanaal dus kijk gerust naar het resultaat. Alvast bedankt voor uw tijd.
@peterpieters3911
@peterpieters3911 9 ай бұрын
@@geenkannaal78654 Ik snap ook niet veel van deinterlacing ;)
@sirvivor_1974
@sirvivor_1974 9 ай бұрын
Excellent VHS transfer!
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 9 ай бұрын
That's what my channel is about!
@Scientia.Et.Aequitas
@Scientia.Et.Aequitas 9 ай бұрын
It's sappy indeed.... With voiceover Lex van Delden.
@jareckiii1
@jareckiii1 10 ай бұрын
Your capture method is amazing. Best quality digitization. Thank you!!!
@Purposedecoded
@Purposedecoded 10 ай бұрын
This camera was way beyond its time. 🫡 Are the clips colour graded or raw straight out of the camera. 👌👌
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 10 ай бұрын
Of course, the raw images must first undergo the demosaicing process and then the editor applies a rec709 color gamut. The raw images are linear. that's what you get by default in Davinci Resolve. I did some touch-ups here and there, recovering highlights and black levels. And that's it.
@granitesoldier7704
@granitesoldier7704 10 ай бұрын
I've had this camera for 8 years and thought about upgrading to FX6. But I think I might hold onto it for a bit longer and just buy an atomos to breathe some new life into it.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 10 ай бұрын
If you don't have the RAW update, it's not worth the effort. The raw update simply turns this into a new camera. 4k DCI and raw cinemadng. 240 fps in cinemadng 2k and 120 fps in cinemadng in burst. You should then have the Convergent design Odyssey 7Q+ instead of the Atomos, which can only do up to 25 fps in 4k shooting. The advantage of an Atomos is that you can also record Prores raw if you have the license.
@alejandrodanielmoreno6247
@alejandrodanielmoreno6247 11 ай бұрын
België 12 points,Greetings from Spanje.❤
@natteravn252
@natteravn252 Жыл бұрын
Is there any perceivable difference in quality when recording to the PRORES HQ instead of the internal AVCHD?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 Жыл бұрын
Yes a lot of compression artifacts in AVCHD. Nothing in Prores. Certenly in moving parts of the video. Also very clean noise in prores. Banding in blue skies. Nothing noticeable in Prores despite the camera's 8bit output. So for post-processing in Davinci Resolve, that's a pleasure. But I don't use the camera anymore.
@riIeywilson
@riIeywilson Жыл бұрын
I have one of these, but I don't know the lens mount. Do you know what it might be?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 Жыл бұрын
Yes, its a B4 lens mount. Standard for all tv studio cameras even today. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B4-mount
@eduardoprado6130
@eduardoprado6130 Жыл бұрын
Leon de la tribu de judá no huira como fugitivo dominarás la tierra
@hiromegu1274
@hiromegu1274 Жыл бұрын
I Like This Video From Japanese Guy
@Rosas98
@Rosas98 4 ай бұрын
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@sirvivor_1974
@sirvivor_1974 Жыл бұрын
Really outstanding! Your work is highly appreciated, not many others on youtube apply that much expertise in digitizing analog video sources. Please keep it up if possible to show what analog video actually could do if treated right😀
@ivok9846
@ivok9846 Жыл бұрын
even in 1988 Germany, only studio shots are video, everything else is film stock, just like it was 10 or even 15 years before.... probably 16mm film, which looks worse than broadcast grade sd. why? maybe non-optimal film scanning, maybe 16mm is just not that good.... and 50p HD for such content is just wasting bandwidth... esp. given that all underlying film is 25fps anyway
@FelipeAlMorenoFoto
@FelipeAlMorenoFoto Жыл бұрын
Hello! I'm in the process of acquiring this same model. I'm thinking about taking composite video out of it from it's native video out, but I'm wondering if I can use it maybe in my Blackmagic video assist. Do you think that kind of recorder is capable of handle that signal?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 Жыл бұрын
Hello Filipe, no that is impossible. The video assist is a digital device with SDI digital inputs. The camera is an annalog device with composite PAL or NTSC output. If you read the comments in this video you will see that I first digitize the annalog signal with a mini converter from AJA the V2DIGITAL. It can also be done with other converters, the Blackmagic design Mini Converter Analog to SDI can also do it. Can be found pretty easily in the second hand market. Also keep in mind that only the old BMD Video assist can still process a digital SDI PAL or NTSC, so the 3G models. Any questions? Feel free to ask them.
@Gertensis
@Gertensis Жыл бұрын
Hmm, Kinder Bueno 🤤
@AllenMichael
@AllenMichael Жыл бұрын
Hello. I have the v5000 and I’d like to get the quality you have. I need a capture card but I don’t have a pc with a slot. I’m using a MacBook Pro. Can you recommend a great capture card? I’d like to use SVid out or the rca jacks in the back of the v5000.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 Жыл бұрын
Hello, I am not very familiar with Apple computers. You must have a capture device that captures in native resolution, so does not upscale or deinterlacing. You do that yourself with software afterwards. With OBS Studio you can capture in uncompressed 10bit 422 color space. I think this also works on a Mac. You do have to go deep into the settings to find that setting. And of course most importantly, high quality deinterlacing, noise reduction, upscaling.... That makes the good quality. I think the Elgato Video Capture is a good choice but have no experience with it. I use pro cards. Do NOT use the included software. Alternatively, you can buy a digital 8 camera that also plays HI8 and has a TBC. You can then connect via the DV output directly to your Mac? Or do macs no longer have dv input? (firewire, IEEE 1394) If you have any more questions let me know.
@AllenMichael
@AllenMichael Жыл бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 Right now I’m using a clearclick 2.0 to record to sd card. I take the svid out of v5000 to input of clearclick. I’m Using premier pro to edit. What about the method you did in your other video? Using Svid to Sdi converter to Blackmagic Video assist capture? Would that work better than my current set up?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 Жыл бұрын
@@AllenMichael What I say my first answer is that you should avoid things like clearcklick like the plague if you want quality. Yes the suggestion you make with the converter and the BMD videoasist is also good. Well not the new version of the videoasist because it can no longer record SD video. Record in prores HQ. But then follows the long way to post production. Deinterlacing, enhancements, upscale.... If you load the SD video into Premiere it will deinterlace in shabby quality. So you will first have to deinterlace and upscale yourself in much better software and then edit. You see, it's all not that simple unfortunately. Clearclick is quick easy and cheap but quality is correspondingly poor. So it will be slow, expensive and difficult, there is no panacea unfortunately.
@AllenMichael
@AllenMichael Жыл бұрын
@@videotaperetro1126 I should avoid prores hq? I appreciate your help. I’m after good quality. I read up on the el gato and it’s 4x3 h.264. Would this be ok? Or am I better off with the a to d converter to older blackmagic video assist that focuses on SD and not HQ.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 Жыл бұрын
@@AllenMichael "Record in prores HQ" means you must record in this codec! Prores can be interlaced in SD resolution. The elegato is not h264. It is the included software that will record in this codec and with low resolution. The USB Elegato is a capture device that will be recognized as such by Windows. For the Mac I don't know but I think the same is true. So you can use other software with the elegato to capture. OBS studio for example or virtualdub the old faithful program. With these programs you can capture in any codec and in the original resolution. (SD is 720x576 PAL and 720x480 NTSC) both intrlaced. The solution with the BMD Video assist is also good but you have to buy it and it is much more expensive. Also the converter of course.
@jacobuscoetzee1190
@jacobuscoetzee1190 Жыл бұрын
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