Yeah that’s valid, glad you learned something

The problem then is she basically becomes hanzo with a scope but I see what you’re thinking

Making it like vantages sniper could work well. Hit a weaker first shot and mark the target. When you hit them again it does more damage.

Depending on things like mark duration and how it interacts with charge, could be an interesting solution.

I'd increase her damage mostly by increasing her accuracy or entirely reworking her weapon to be a longer range poke gun that doesn't quite compete with other DPS, but lets her stay back from the frontlines, as well as reducing her health to 150 and slightly increasing the stealth duration

I think there's probably just a lack of content and ideas in a lot of areas rn, although there are still some high quality videos being made by people like kraandop

You're right that 'almost singlehandedly' was definitely the wrong wording, as multiple things led to role lock. I stand by goats being one of them, but it may not have been the the biggest cause. Goats was mostly only played by the top 1%, yes, but it did still affect people below that, even if it wasn't played as well or was quite as common. Also, the Overwatch League is important to take into account, because Goats ruined the competitive viewing experience for a lot of people. I agree that Brig was actually good in the fact that she provided more counterplay to dive, but unfortunately she simply took things a little too far, and as a result things went in the complete opposite direction instead of balancing out.

To be fair they did make several nerfs, just not fast enough. Role lock was the result of multiple factors, and tbf Goats did start to crumble a little right before role lock was added. But I think by then Blizzard were already set on what direction they wanted to take the game in.

@ yea and in the process completely ruined the game,and well it was just a snowball effect and now we have 5v5 while also having unkillable tanks what joy tldr this is the worlds worse balanceing team ever

@aveage-brush-player lol cant be worse than the balance of Marvel Rivals

That makes sense

That's fair, it was the combination of everything that made the meta so frustrating, double shield was just the headline

I'd blame Orisa too

@@seeker9597 yea i think they kinda blur in my brain. along with brigitte from back then.

@@zuffin1864 at least Sig is fun to play though

I actually think balance is a really interesting topic. Realistically, there are 2 ways a game can go: either you go ultra casual and nothing is balanced (like fortnite most of the time) or you try to actually keep the game balanced by making constant changes. Overwatch, unfortunately, chose neither, and thereby ended up making too few balance changes whilst still maintaining the goal of a balanced game. The way I see it though, is that no matter what you choose, there needs to be constant change. The true enemy of live service multiplayer games is stagnation (and tbh games in general but that’s a separate point). When we take the example of a competitive game (or at least one trying to be so like Overwatch) I believe that balance changes should be made relatively often. Competitive games will always have a meta at the highest level, nothing will realistically change that since perfect balance doesn’t exist in something like a hero shooter. The problem comes from the same heroes being meta for too long. This is particularly true when these heroes are oppressive or annoying by design, but is also just generally the case. I don’t think many people hate dive in Overwatch. But people were getting pretty tired of it after it dominating season 1 of OWL. Getting to the point though, I don’t know if marvel rivals’ balance philosophy is good or bad. You aren’t wrong that seasonal bonuses have the potential to be problematic, but I think we’ll still have to wait and see how they are handled. We still don’t know how team ups and these bonuses could change in the future. It is interesting to keep an eye on though, so let’s see how it goes. Even though the game has its issues, I’m still enjoying rivals for now, so I’m hoping they do enough for it to stay that way

@@BPViking have you ever played fortnite? there is HARDEST weapon meta, its not what it looks like lol

I’ve not played Fortnite in a long time, just from the outside it looks like they add the most crazy stuff that constantly breaks the game (I remember coming back for like a week during the op cars a few seasons ago). That doesn’t mean there isn’t a meta, just that it isn’t really balanced. That’s what it seems like to me, but I apologise if I’m wrong as I don’t have a ton of knowledge in that area

@@BPViking yeah it looks like it, but look inside and its pump+smg+AR/sniper heals and mobility item always. No in between. mobility items can look silly, but they exist only to rotate you faster, for combat its always the same, nothing unbalanced and funny, because funny stuff (like cars with guns on them) gets nerfed because so called "sweats" crying A LOT and devs listens to them, not to their casual players im reacting this hard just because i thought too that fortnite is a game about fun and sillyness, oh god its totally not, just a sweatfest with same meta loadout every game.

Fair enough

That’s true, sorry I didn’t mention it

That’s crazy lol. What were you even searching?

@ least played heroes in each category,tryn to play the underdogs

Fair enough, although I didn’t expect ChatGPT to recommend a KZbin video, especially not mine 🤣

Ok breathe in

How do people usually pronounce it? (I’ve probably heard it a lot just can’t think of it)

What do you mean? He pronounced Sombra as literally everybody does

Interesting. Although not as annoying as before, she can still be annoying, and I suppose it makes sense particularly so for tanks

I also used to be a Mei main before I grew conscience

Ow2 made Mei less annoying to play against but in doing so removed part of her main appeal for her players. Arguably a good change for most of the playerbase, but unfortunate for the small group that did enjoy her.

i love how people use this to shit on ow2 but genuienly the fanbase as a whole totally support the mei change, and im not even a mei hater

“Tarnished assassinated” removed annoying freeze cc

@@polar6066 LOL ! No they dont ! Unless by "fanbase" you mean bronze - silver casual players... Overwatch is a - HERO SHOOTER ! It isn't supposed to be perfectly balanced . Mei, Doom, Hog, Tracer - are characters that made your team either switch one of the heroes or the playstyle you use . AND THAT IS LITERALLY THE WHOLE POINT OF OVERWATCH ! ITS WHAT MAKES THIS GAME STAND-OUT ! If you just want to pick soldier, run around and shoot stuff - Overwatch is not the game for you . Go play COD or something, why would you ruin Overwatch for people who can use their brains and ADAPT to their enemies during the game instead of just crying - "ANNOYING ! DELETE THIS CHARACTER" all the time...

​​@@Chuchel-hh6hq nobody likes counter swapping nor being CC-ed. One person's hero fantasy shouldn't come at the expense of another person's enjoyment of the game, that's basic PvP game design

Her freeze was indeed very annoying, but considering CC abilities were the norm at the time, it's not that big of deal. And like many others, when OW2 came, she got the nerf. Which means relative to other heroes, she was never like "the most annoying character" or classed as a straight-up "evil" pick... unlike Sombra. And yes... the wall is annoying, but just report them for gameplay sabotage, if it's actually that bad. In most cases, they just wall of spawn for half a second. And during the game, it's usually a mistake which they can immediately fix / eleviate some of pain. by breaking the wall. Unlike a Lifeweaver Grip which may not just nullify/waste your abilities but make you have to use another ability just to get back into the fight. And also, Hazard's spike thing is more annoying imo. But, going back to OG OW, yes Mei's wall was annoying since unlike Today's OW there was nothing comparable to it. Ice block? I'd say Zarya's bubble was pretty annoying too. Getting insta-killed by someone who has at 1hp just a second ago because they popped their shield and you forgot to do research in how her character works, is pretty annoying. And when Mei leaves the ice block, you know she has nothing else to save her so you can delete her in that instant. Also when she is in her block, the team fight goes from a 5v5 to a 5v4. Anyways... All this to say: I fully agree, Mei was annoying af... but there has always been worse.

Mei in herself wasn't necessarily 'evil', but she was perceived to be and depicted as such by large parts of the community. That doesn't mean she was the only, or even necessarily the most, annoying character though.

Mei is the devil Her kit is the devil People who play her are the devil Lie to yourself all you want

Bait

@ ifs facts its a skill issue