Why Do People Hate Orisa?

[@Kirokill1]

Saddest part is how they turned her from a friendly traffic assistant to a barbarian. Be careful when crossing the street.

[@BPViking]

Yes

[@adri745k]

They increased her weight without changing the engine

[@Labyethan]

The friendly traffic assistant shot a child

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

Overwatch jumped on the Black Panther bandwagon, now Orisa is one of those bald women soldiers, spear and everything. At first I embraced the new personality, she was built to counter Doomfist (quite literally), Doomfist is the main villain of Overwatch, the strongest character in the whole setting, so Orisa needs to be fiercer to clash with such monster... but then, it got played out fast, she is just another angry robot. And she kinda fails to be a "rival" to Doomfist... it's not like the rivalry between Widow and Ana for example, both characters have equal levels of charisma, they have similar skill, etc Doom remains stronger and more likeable than Orisa will ever be, this rivalry ship has sailed, Orisa is lost in a limbo, no personality, no relation with other characters, etc.. she just exists

[@Labyethan]

@@RRRRRRRRR33 wait, wait, wait - Doomfist is likeable?

[@Kira-qq3vh]

I kinda feel like the most annoying thing about her OW2 kit is simply the fact that everything about it feels like it’s an anti-abilities counter. People don’t like sombra for being able to cancel ultimates or abilities without any counter play like Suzu? So why is all her abilities just that, it just feels obnoxious. I’m not sure if she’s even good but playing against her just feels so boring.

[@Chicken_nugget_fan]

Spam, spam, spam, kill someone by pushing them off the cliff, tank 4 ults, Immortal horse...... Nuclear bomb ._.

[@pwpqwq7648]

I wouldn't say there is no counter play, I mean sure, it does turn off your abilities, but it's not like you are immediately dead. You can fight for your life, you can use health packs, you can play ring around the rosie with her if there is something around that breaks line of sight. People just hate it when they have to use their brain to counter something. I play supports mainly, and 8 out of 10 times I manage to survive a Sombra, or even kill her in an 1v1

[@Kira-qq3vh]

@@pwpqwq7648 yeah I feel like she is counter-able it’s just overall most of her abilities are basically anti abilities and most of the time it doesn’t really work. So she might not be great but it’s still so boring trying to do anything just for her to pop three abilities that counter almost all things in the game

[@bostinobaddog2040]

I mean she's very counterable, people just want to stuck to their one tricks

[@DCxSkateboarding]

Know my issue with Larissa is that she makes gameplay linear and she's just boring to play into and against always has been and always will

[@RandoMan07]

No one likes fighting an undying wall. That's why I hate the horse.

[@Turtlpwr]

And it’s exactly why I love playing her

[@omrizubary]

@@RandoMan07 that's why you cut the horse's life supply aka her supports

[@waldytosantana3840]

​@omrizubary Kinda annoying that most tanks have another tank that can counter them, except for Orisa which u gotta target her supports, or play Orisa aswell.

[@omrizubary]

@@waldytosantana3840 Or play Zarya

[@texmex610]

​@@waldytosantana3840Zarya?

[@bigfudge2031]

The problem with Orisa now is that all her abilities are designed to deny the enemy rather than being proactive or aggressive. So she became the poster child of Counterwatch because all she does is shut down the enemy (tanks especially) and rarely ever makes plays or carries games, making her boring to play as or against.

[@benlink202forever]

My biggest problem with Orisa is that her entire 2nd kit is way more selfish than her original kit. Bongo is so good because it affects the ENTIRE team, same goes for shield. Spear is an amazing and fun ability, spin is fine as a defensive/offensive tool, and fortify is the cheapest ability I’ve ever seen for OW other than Suzu. But all of these abilities only affect Orisa unless you are shutting down an ult with spear. Even then, I would prefer if she was a more of a glass canon character in the tank roll.

[@BPViking]

Yeah they kind of changed her entire identity from a protective team hero to a selfish solo monster whose entire viability depends almost solely on her stats. I see what they were going for considering her late OW1 state but I don’t think this was the way

[@jennalove6755]

bruh shes slow moving. How would a "glass cannon" tank even work? thats literally just a dps.

[@dram3711]

Old Orisa was one of my favorite character. She was an enabler tank, using the environment and her body to give the team an advantage. OW2 is just a more selfish game in general.

[@hez8208]

I believe her having a more selfish kit makes her more dependable in the OW2 way to play the game. There are plenty of other tanks that only have abilities that affect themselves instead of their team. And that's just bc of the tank role's job right now. Which is to stay alive and take space.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

This is yet another issue of the Overwatch gameplay design, tank and healers are supposed to be more selfish, but Overwatch had this weird concept of off tanks, Roadhog, Winston and Hammond being completely selfish, etc.. now with just one tank, all of them are selfish. And to point fingers at the new golden boy of the genre, Marvel Rivals also struggles with this a little bit, Peni Parker is the only tank who have a defensive minded ultimate, all the others are super aggressive, Magneto instead of creating a big shield or a EMP, nope, he just throws a ball of junk at the enemies. This mentality that dps = fun is something extremely flawed imo

[@Who-yx5pd]

Everyone hates Orisa because she is unkillable, but after the tank buffs, everyone became unkillable

[@BPViking]

Yeah kinda

[@bigfudge2031]

It's not just that she is hard to kill, it's that she has a way of denying practically everything, so she becomes a counter-pick to most characters by simply pressing 1 of 3 buttons.

[@thebighoney9034]

Toilet Paper 5 player spotted

[@seriouslyreal3591]

Three ccs are obviously bullshit

[@d3cayingc0rpse]

I am one of the few people who actually loved playing OW1 Orisa. I had a little over 60 hours on her in all of OW1. Ever since they changed her entire kit for 5v5, I've stopped playing Orisa and only rarely choose Orisa.

[@BPViking]

Personally I never heavily played orisa in ow1, but as a main tank player she did still definitely have her place for me. Nowadays I do tbf play tank less but also play orisa less

[@diamonshade7484]

I miss halt😢

[@D-Doc-C]

60 hours is absolutely nothing in this game

[@derrinerrow4369]

Orisa was changed from an immovable object to an unstoppable force. I personally loved he original kit, being a sort of "commander" for the rest of the team to rally around and hold the line with. able to fight at a decent range compared to other tanks, while assisting with well placed barriers, the mini grav to temporarily kill enemy momentum, and the fortify and supercharger really let you pull a a pretty powerful last stand to try and hold off the enemy and buy your team enough time to make a comeback. Now Orisa is a tank who simply bulldozes enemies with a busted CC ability that can easily ruin someone's day and 2 defensive abilities that benefit her alone, makes her near impossible to kill when backed by a support making it braindead easy to just charge into the fight and steamroll an enemy or 2. Old Orisa's kit provided utility for the entire team to take advantage of, OW2 Orisa is extremely selfish kit that becomes ridiculously strong when other teammates dump any resources they have into her.

[@BPViking]

Yeah this is true

[@elkosins1686]

Orissa shield really made it feel like you were shaping the battlefield and changing the map to your benefit

[@BPViking]

Yeah, even though the play style was more slow paced it still somehow felt more impactful

[@diamonshade7484]

Double shield was Sigma's fault anyway

[@BaronBoss-o9z]

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[@RicePuddingLand]

As someone Who grinded out the season 4 pass within a week, I loathe Orisa with my entire existence

[@BPViking]

Fair but wasn’t orisa pretty bad that season?

[@RicePuddingLand]

​@@BPVikingNot Really, Pretty sure i have seen more orisas then my entire life has seen up till then back then, People immediately switch if they die as tank, It's pretty horrible

[@BPViking]

Fair enough, I don’t remember entirely tbf. Either way I get what you mean

[@thatboredaroace]

AND THEY'VE BUFFED HER AGAIN!!!

[@BPViking]

Yeah lol

[@orc3266]

HONOR, JUSTICE, BEER! Orisa: no fun is allowed

[@adri745k]

The OW2 balancing team is just insane by now Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result

[@notGeist]

HOOO BOY SHE GOT HALF OF A MASSIVE NERF REVERTED. BETTER WATCH OUT.

[@omrizubary]

@thatboredaroace your overreacting in my view, now she ain't moving like a snail no more

[@omrizubary]

I said it once and I'll say it again: its easier to complain about Orisa when you keep shooting her gold than ignoring her and kill her backline

[@BPViking]

Very true

[@fascistwhiterunguard7919]

This

[@Invisibleboy999]

I literally try to do this as tank and the orisa peels for her team then i cant do shit

[@alfredoperez9017]

​@@Invisibleboy999 you as a tank need to consider what your team is doing ? If you team isnt set up to attack the backline with you are probably not goin to be able to do much . So technically you can attck the backline but you have to be willing to pull out as soon as it gets hot .

[@ireallydontknow278]

What about javelin spin It will force you back so you can't exactly kill her backline if she keeps you away from them Also another one is what if the orisa also just falls back and protects their back line from you? What happens then

[@jeffisjesus657]

She’s like shooting a damn wall and you can’t fight a wall

[@BPViking]

Yeah, that’s why the way to beat her is to usually just ignore her. But that isn’t particularly fun either

[@ireallydontknow278]

​@@BPVikingnor is it exactly effective as the orisa could just help their backline kill you instead

[@ireallydontknow278]

That's so true I feel like she can take so much punishment and still survive due to just how much armor she has Even fortify makes her basically an immovable object

[@Azdal]

Zarya melts orisa and semi invalidates her as a character…

[@ireallydontknow278]

@@Azdal she only melts her if she has charge A 0 charge zarya is pretty bad Sure if you are in low ranks people will shoot her pretty often But most people probably don't shoot her bubble unless they know they can kill her

[@SteamGrace]

Orisa is literally "CC for thee but none for me!"

[@BPViking]

Pretty much

[@AnakinSkywalker-gw2xv]

It’s so boring to fight a character whose whole identity is based around denying and living forever. I hate her so much Orisa meta was my hell

[@BPViking]

Yeah her core design now is just weird

[@orc3266]

Basically its overloaded design that reworked for ow2 is meant to bully an entire tank rooster, which means punishment for trying to have fun

[@BPViking]

Yeah new orisa is kind of designed just to keep other tanks in check but then that becomes miserable for the other tanks who she keeps ‘in check’

[@mattevans4377]

"Just ignore her" As she barrels towards you like a freight train......

[@wroger6746]

Good job putting this video together. Was cool to see footage from older versions of Overwatch.

[@BPViking]

Glad you liked it

[@musa9371]

Orisa is my fav hero in OW. when she was reworked i was sad to lose her old kit but i was ok with that seeing how people were finally liking her. but few months after that she was back to getting bumped on, which means we lost old Orisa for nothing.

[@ethidian3444]

New Orisa is many times better than old Orisa lmao

[@Invisibleboy999]

Both orisas are shitty and boring

[@diamonshade7484]

Facts haters going to hate

[@lucashodges5134]

I think it boils down to one simple thing: interaction. The most satisfying thing about overwatch (and hero shooters in general) is the various interactions between different abilities and characters. For example, if roadhog hooks one of your supports, and you are playing Dva, you can place your defense matrix over them to stop them getting bursted. This is a good interaction, as it relies on the skill and awareness of the Dva to do this. The think that makes OW2 Orissa fundamentally flawed, is how her kit actively discourages interaction. Her Javelin spin blocks projectiles, and her fortify blocks all forms of cc, while slapping on a large amount of armor and damage reduction. Both of these abilities discourage the player from interacting with her, often meaning the player must wait until these abilities are on cooldown to shoot her. Her javelin throw and ult are no better: sure, you can black the javelin with a barrier, but who thinks thats fun or interactive? Orisa is a literal walking middle finger to fun, not interesting interactions between her and her teammates, or her and the enemy team. She's simply a bundle of stats and nothing more.

[@BPViking]

Yeah this is pretty accurate

[@Blanktester685]

every dps character are just walking stats XD

[@diamonshade7484]

Tanks were supposed to be super tanks, I would argue the other tanks were undertuned

[@markhumphreys4496]

1:07 A lot of people need to know when she came out she was the first tank who could effectively hold a choke point from long range.

[@BPViking]

That’s true

[@I_like_cheesecake24]

I used to main Orisa a lot back in ow1 and I still miss her halt ability to this day

[@thecrabbycrab5661]

I feel sinful for missing hogs one shot

[@BPViking]

And maybe you should But maybe you shouldn’t. You do you

[@Fuphu]

Hog oneshot is alright in 6v6 imo but 5v5 its just obnoxious since it kinda had the “pharah effect” where you average to play your whole comp around one character and change your play style 100% just to “respect the hook”. Its like walking into LoS of a widowmaker and getting obliterated, unfun and boring. They either need to remove hook and rework hog COMPLETELY and change his play identity to make him healthy or just go back to 6v6 ot allow a 6v6 option where he’s viable there but not in 5v5.

[@RvnWolf]

They really should have left her kit alone from overwatch, and this is as an Orisa Main, loved her 1 and still love playing her. The only time she isn't my first pick, is on defense maps .

[@ladyhdwastaken]

Amazing videos, just want to say that. I'm binging them now. Now: I was originally a tank main in OW1 because I was the flex queue queen. I ended up on tank about 75% of the time and loved Dva and Zarya, but when people asked for a shield I immediately would choose Orisa. She was such a teamwork-oriented hero on top of having just a really sweet personality. Halt allowed for team-based skill expression and some really fun combos, her barrier was so good if placed correctly and allowed protection for teammates AND herself if needed, fortify was a self-defense tool which was quite nice, and bongo (my beloved, I miss you so much) brought out her team-oriented gameplay even more. Needless to say, I was actually happy as hell when people asked for a shield tank because Orisa was genuinely a very interactive hero to play as. Fast forward to OW2, her kit is so selfish. There's nothing for her team, no coordination, just run in like a raid boss while rotating cooldowns and be unkillable. Her kit is fluid, but not fun. I just miss my sweet little puppy loving horsebot. 😢Give her back

[@rythmwarrior3443]

I have approximately 300 hours played on Overwatch 2, and almost 200 hours were spent playing Orisa lol

[@BPViking]

Hey you do you, if you like her that’s fine

[@kota8927]

I hate that Orisa is the only tank that requires you to take out her entire team before you can punish her. All it takes for other tanks is an ana nade, sleep, discord, or a tank buster on an off angle and they’re cooked.

[@beyondthehiddenbth5764]

I mained Orisa back in 2017-18 before I stopped playing. I enjoyed her a lot, especially being able to hold a point in a corner. I've played her again recently and she still feels strong to me. I think I'm about as good as I used to be, if not even better now that I have a lot more wisdom under my belt.

[@BPViking]

Nice

[@inevitableanarchy4203]

As a casual player, Orisa was my first tank "main" in OW1. The second hero I ever got a golden gun for. Loved playing her. Was excited for the rework in OW2, and DID have fun playing the new her in seasons 1-2. However overtime, she just felt more and more bored to play, despite the micro buffs. Fast forward to today in season 12 and I NEVER play her, only ever switching to her if the enemy has a really good Doom or Rein. Again, I play the game casually, and until this video I could never really explain (in words) why she felt so unfun and boring compared to OW1. Thank you so much for this detailed coverage. W channel for sure!!

[@BPViking]

I’m glad you liked it

[@underrrrstand]

I like playing her occasionally, i think shes very true to her lore in her gameplay

[@BPViking]

I can find her fun once in a while, just not someone I play often

[@ghost_ship_supreme]

Who cares about lore? The gameplay is what really matters…

[@underrrrstand]

@@ghost_ship_supreme oh teacher, teacher! I do!!

[@hogndog2339]

I think orisa is one of those ol’ reliable tanks that I can fall back on when my mains aren’t working

[@Fuphu]

I think her spear fits the lore since it counters doom and gives her versatility but the spinny spear deflect doesnt make sense to me in lore nor the new ult. Spinny spear doesnt really protect anyone but her and just boops and deals damage instead half the time, and the ult doesnt even work vs a character like doom since he still has access to hus mobility options unlike mauga cage and it even charges up his block. (I feel like adding an effect that stops movement abilities useage in the ult but reducing the charge up speed or the movement speed penalty would do well to compensate otherwise its just kinda a oneshot especially with a dmg boost of any kind.

[@personsomeone2760]

As someone who used the horse before she kept getting small buffs, the most annoying part is her area controll on top of just not killing her. She could cycle her cooldowns to have a while of not taking damage or taking less allowing the healers to heal other people turning team fights long. She had also had a good match up agaist most tanks even though zaria could melt her pushing her out of her team ment death with no mobility and only 2 bubbles.

[@BaronBoss-o9z]

This is a really good video, not just covering Orisa but a really important period in OW history

[@khele2k]

She can be fun to play because she's the rare Tank where you can make plays while face tanking and not get completely run over when everyone else on the other team is shooting at you at once. She's a good defense Tank, especially on maps with minimal vertical play.

[@SnowyDogProductions]

Having reworked orisa for 2 years now I can confidently say that I miss old orisa. The old orisa at least felt killable and had some counter play

[@artistamediocr3728]

Good lord, after getting used to Ow2's look, watching Ow1 footage feels like reading hieroglyphics

[@censure8751]

Watching this as an orisa player, I see this as an absolute win

[@BPViking]

W

[@BPViking]

I’m really glad everyone seems to be enjoying the video as I put a lot of time into this one, so I really appreciate the support. I’ll try to answer as many comments as possible but it might take a while. Also I’m already working on the next video (it’s about a support this time) but my pc is having some slight issues so we’ll see how things go. Hopefully aiming to get it out in 2 weeks tho

[@DasGoodSoup]

#revertorisa

[@BlindBison]

I miss playing OW1 Orisa

[@adamsky21]

"Orisa had a shield, Sigma had a shield; together, they had two shields" Top journalism :D

[@BPViking]

Best line ever lol 🙃

[@VexingWeeb]

kinda weird to describe "javelin is a big spear you throw at the enemies" instead of saying..a javelin you throw at the enemies...

[@BPViking]

Nah that’s ridiculous why would I ever call javelin a javelin 👀

[@erroneousfax9351]

Almost entirely unrelated and almost certainly a balancing nightmare but I wish they would bring back bongo in some form, maybe as an alt casting option for her the same way Sym had multiple ults

[@BPViking]

Would be interesting

[@VeerArjan]

This is such a great video very informative, your an amazing underrated KZbinr

[@BPViking]

That means a lot, thanks

[@Arluq-e6l]

I loved playinf old orisa (I stopped before sigma release and was realy realy bad) but the support aspect of the hero was so appealing to me

[@BPViking]

yeah that's valid

[@broccieboi]

"just in case you're dying just click the not die button to tank any hit!"

[@fluffypinkpandas]

Orisa hate is undeserved. All versions of Orisa's loadout are perfect for their respective patch (you have to consider what the other heroes were at the time). Her skins are perfect. Her voicelines are perfect. I will buy a morray. Her playstyle is NOT boring. Her playstyle is just the one with the least convoluted bullshit. She works as a vital cornerstone to team composition in EVERY gamemode. Even 1v1s. Shes the only one you dont have to hate yourself and feel like a massochist in order to play. It is incredibly satisfying. It is meta defining for a good reason. Controlls nicely on controller, keyboard, trackball, gyro. Has the best r34

[@jackmcmorrow9397]

Its all fortify's fault. Letting her more than double her health immediatley, negate headshots, AND multiply healing with no way to counter it is never going to be fun to fight against.

[@endershel8163]

I feel like ow 1 orisa was better for the game than overwatch 2 since healing is too high and orisa fortify just takes less damage no critical hits combined with spinning javelin shutting down abilities and ults it just comes off as the devs thinking the rework would make orisa a better character which it did but not for the right reasons.

[@roamingtheinternet8652]

For the past week I’ve been seeing Orisa EVERYWHERE, like I have not went one comp game without seeing her and it’s so frustrating.

[@Nickelback8469]

New Orisa is my most hated character in the game, worse than Sombra, Widow, Mauga, and Hog. Her entire kit is just miserable to play against, even when you know the counter play. She highly encourages the problematic counter swap meta that tanks have to deal with and has a severely disproportionate skill to reward ratio. You don’t have to be good at new Orisa to deny a Hog or Reinhardt, just restrain yourself enough to not use all your abilties at once and you can deny any plays they try to make. And then Fortify is the most brainless mitigation ability in the game, why the hell can we still not headshot her in Fortify Blizzard???

[@TangleHamain]

As an Orisa player, I miss her Bongo, omg! I started playing OW1 with Orisa out of all characters and her Bongo made me win so many damn games! And now? Her new Ult is so bad! You HAVE to combo it with another Ult to properly do lots of damage, its ridiculous.

[@BPViking]

Yeah her new ult is rough, bongo was much better

[@connor.chan.jazzman]

Yeah it's funny how much her new ult has synergy with so many other tank ults, but alas, there are no longer two tanks

[@jwall1646]

I loved her O1 kit. Her O2 kit is fine but not at all fun to me, and it feels so different that they might as well have made a new character.

[@BPViking]

Yeah that's one thing that was weird about the rework. It just made her into so insanely different of a character.

[@OppyOzzborz-sb8oz]

2:38 yes I was there when sombra came out and they was hyped for orisa… well I still like them both, tho I would prefer their initial kit

[@BPViking]

Fair enough

[@Noobish_Camper55]

Old orisa was less annoying and more unique. Now she is just a spam wall.

[@BPViking]

I too preferred old Orisa

[@sheepy2027]

They need to get rid of either spin or fortify(preferably fortify) and make her javelin not cancel every goddamn thing in existance, especially on this cooldown

[@PlatinumAltaria]

They need to get rid of Overwatch 2 and put her back to what she was actually designed to be.

[@ladyhdwastaken]

@@PlatinumAltaria And bring back bongo with her overwatch 1 stuff, holy man I miss old Orisa

[@R1z1n_ttv]

I like Orisa because at least she doesn't jump on me with 700+ health and insta kill me

[@BPViking]

Tbf she is slightly less annoying for non tank players

[@gerobso29]

this video is very well made and needs more views

[@BPViking]

Glad you enjoyed

[@Jay-mx6bg]

Sometimes I think could her old kit work now since there aren’t two tanks and the double shield meta is gone

[@BPViking]

Maybe, it’s difficult to say but realistically the only problem with her balance wise was when you combined her shield with another one, so it might work

[@mhmtakeyatime9000]

Id drop one of her current abilities for her old "halt" ability.

[@BPViking]

Yeah, although that wouldn’t necessarily fix things. If you replaced javelin many of her problems would still exist, but if you got rid of one of the other two she could end up dying too easily instead. It’s a difficult issue

[@draculemihawk6120]

I'd say her current problems are that her entire kit anti-CC, CC, and both. Which is no fun for anyone. That and her lack of damage fall-off means she can just target anyone without problem

[@BPViking]

The damage fall off thing is really weird because originally in Overwatch 2 they put it in so she had a more defined role, but then they just said nah and removed it.

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

The double shield nerfs were the worst. Blizzard had no idea how to stop team synergy between Orisa and Sigma... so we just got global shield nerfs. Which made her shield so weak it was near worthless without a second shield on the team. It honestly just made Double shield stronger in the lower ranks. Because a 600 hp shield on I think it was a 10 second CD was near worthless.

[@engineergaming3830]

7:38 it's kinda funny how sigma is so good that after they brought him into ov2 unlike most tanks which got a ton of buffs he actually got NERFED and he's still one of the best picks he's a long range hero that's insanely good at close range with his only true weakness being attacks that ignore his succ

[@scumknight6074]

There is no reason she should have a cc and dmg reduction plus armor. I don’t understand why they would rework her just to make her exactly the same raid boss. Just replace fortify with her old Shield, that way she at least gets countered a little bit whilst holding her ground against Zar.

[@BPViking]

It’s still kind of confusing how they decided to keep fortify of all abilities from ow1. Hero identity aside, I think orisa could be in a much better spot if they just changed fortify into an entirely different ability

[@diamonshade7484]

​@@BPVikingshe can get easily bullied because of size and head hitbox

[@diamonshade7484]

​@@BPViking Is it wrong that I the spin to become a resource meter like Defense matrix 😅

[@DedezaoYT]

She is the only character that if it was deleted from the game I wouldn't miss her

[@hobosorcerer]

For me, I like playing Orisa because it feels good to keep a good mid range pressure with jav & left click, leading up shots from range to control space. Countering abilities with your own is nice in its own right, but knowing when to use your defensive cooldowns more offensively can make the difference between a reactive Orisa and an interactive one. Pinning people to a corner with jav spin is nice, so long as you don't get shredded by a bastion 2 seconds later (fortify will not save you lmao). Shame it's frustrating for other people to fight, but even playing against Orisa I don't have as much trouble. Playing around her cooldowns, knowing what she has up when, and capitalizing then is how you can counter her best.

[@thebighoney9034]

What's annoying about her is that the main solution for dealing with her is to COMPLETELY IGNORE HER and just straight up dive her supports. When you designed a hero in which the best way to counter play them is to ignore them, that's bad design.

[@michaelc7418]

OW1 Orisa is fun to play when her cooldowns are weaker but shorter in cooldown so she can do things more often. OW2 Orisa is simply a badly designed Tank, because now both of her sustain cooldowns are solely for self-sustain; every Tank should have some kind of team sustain ability. Secondly, OW2 Orisa has too much overall CC now to where it feels obnoxious to play against. Too much power is forced into Orisa's solo play making potential and she has lost the team play elements that OW1 Orisa had that made her more fun to play against individually.

[@BPViking]

Agreed

[@stanleyurey1013]

Underrated Channel

[@BPViking]

I’m happy you think so. I’ve still got a long way to go in this whole KZbin thing and a lot to learn but I’m trying my best to make these videos as good as I can

[@spoon115_]

For me it’s because her cooldown cycle is just crazy and doesn’t take much skill to pull off. There’s almost no downtime between spear, spin, and fortify. Low floor low ceiling character

[@kusolp544]

More fun to watch than soldier ngl

[@BPViking]

Fair enough. Soldier is just running and then point and click adventure (no hate to soldier players)

[@adrianradu2332]

Great hero to learn how to aim I would say :)

[@rolf_dk]

I don't know how orisa is in OW2 since i stopped playing the game shortly after OW2 came out. But before in OW1, she was my main for years and i never really was bored of playing with her. And nothing would probably have changed in OW2 if i still played the game.

[@germanscience7246]

"She was meet with a lot of joy upon release." What? I don't remember people liking her all that much. The general concensus seemed to be that she was a hodge podge of other heros and didn't really have her own identity. The receptiom was largley lukewarm and people were a bit upset it was her and not doomfist released

[@slaaneshshewhothirst9136]

I miss her old ult, hope to see it again on a new champ (probably a support)

[@artimist0315]

For me the problem with her current design is that all of her abilities are incredibly redundant, and kinda boring. Javelin Spin and Fortify do more or less the same thing and you just end up using whichever one is currently not on cool-down. I honestly can't think of a single other hero where this is the case. Not only that but she could do entirely without fortify and get by fine, making the ability even more unnecessary. This just means that whenever Orisa should logically die as all of her ressources should have realistically been forced, she can still fortify and survive. Honestly I've no idea why they kept fortify from Overwatch 1, out of the 3 abilities the used to have it was easily the most boring one. Just imagine how fun and impactful Orisa would be now if the kept Halt! instead of fortify. That and she would just feel so much more bearable. But no instead we have the ability where Orisa changes colour and becomes invincible because this is fun.

[@BPViking]

Yeah fortify is a really stupid ability in OW2. On OG orisa it made sense as it was her only self sustain, but yeah don’t know how this was the ability they kept

[@tyj.4860]

I completely agree!! I've thought for ages that Orisa wouldn't be seen as an unkillable cooldown cycler and would be enjoyed much more by casuals if she kept Halt! instead of Fortify.

[@mkwsoxfan]

Orisa the tank who went from throw pick on launch, to ok with hog following no changes, to OP with sigmas release following no changes, to completely reworked in OW2 because shields bad. Such a great trajectory to see a hero get a complete 180 mostly because EVERYTHING around the hero is changing. I standby the fact that it was much more logical to just reimagine sigmas shield than it was to redesign ALL of orisa for OW2

[@BPViking]

plus Orisa Sigma isn't even possible now anyways

[@travisbrown5808]

The best strategy with orisa is to walk forward and never stop shooting. A plan so full proof every orisa player does it.

[@crumblyairship]

i'm an Orisa main and i'm desperately trying to play ANYONE else because she's so boring. like, yeah, i can steam-roll, but once you get the cooldown cycling down it's mindless

[@engimatovega9930]

I like her kit and I like playing as Orisa, I've never played with her in OW1 but I really like her in OW2. You can be both aggressive and more defensive as Orisa, both long and close range and that's what I like about her.

[@sunsinger970]

tanks having shields should be as common as supports providing heals.

[@sethtfp2373]

“Overwatch’s most boring hero” when Mauga is RIGHT THERE

[@emma6648]

He’s actually kind of fun doe, fun ultimate fun shift ability

[@BPViking]

She’s considered the most boring hero throughout history, not necessarily only right now

[@sethtfp2373]

@@emma6648 most boring hero for absolutely everyone else to play against, Orisa herself is fun to play (imo). He’s complete bull crap and has Freelo matchups with almost every tank in the game. If he can shoot you, he can kill you.

[@Marcocraft26]

What about giving her the shield back instead of javelin spin, OW2 is 5 v 5 with one tank so no problem for the double shield combo, giving her back the shield would give some nostalgia back, would make her a bit more team friendly and would also mitigate the backline denial because if you try to get to her backline she just javelin spin you back and then impale you, also bongos would be nice (i think)

[@skrrrtsusman3450]

same reason people hate facing muaga sombra and pharah, the counter play needed is often times not fun and fully requires character swaps

[@Intenxsify]

I like shredding Orisas as Bastion but you obviously need to time your turret mode. As expected from Bastion a tank buster

[@bruhvibes5941]

Orisas problem is just Fortify, tbh overhealth really only makes sense on Junker Queen, cuz basically anyone can take on Queen.

[@YamahaR12015]

Orissa is my panick button hero. I just absolutely bully just about anybody with her. She just feels great to play

[@asilverplayer3435]

I haven't been playing overwatch for a while, but I think fortify needs to have its stun immunity removed. It gives her that ability to run you down. She gives me brawl tank vibes. You counter a brawl tank by stunning them or knocking then back.

[@sblrockglazirovannbly]

She become another DD with insane survivability, playing quick matches mostly and if i do all my stuff good it's easy 1st place in damage on this horse

[@bibble2396]

as a doom player i usually dont dont atribute being outplayed by anybody as getting "countered" by their hero - but BOY does Orisa come close to being a an actual Doom disabler; not even counter anymore - she legit turns off Doom abilities.

[@Skycube100]

And the most annoying part about Orisa is that she can relegate ALL OF HER ABILITIES ONLY TO JUST YOU THE TANK. This is also why people saying that if you want to counter Doomfist you play Orisa is so stupid. Orisa isn't a hard counter to Doomfist exclusively, so many Doomfist can easily fight against Orisa. The problem is that Orisa is a hard counter to every Tank in OW. Like I said, Orisa in OW2 loves to RELEGATE THEIR ABILITIES TO JUST YOU THE TANK. Doesn't matter if her spamming all her CDs onto you will make her lose the team fight, she just loves spamming all her CDs to you the Tank

[@sleepymonsteraddict]

I have been playing for about a year and didn't know Orisa's history. I think that currently Orisa is pretty good, she's though to kill, but not too hard to kill. I think that why Orisa is currently hated is because she's considered a low skill hero. She has great survivability and is a very forgiving hero, on top of that she doesn't really have any special abilities. Most Orisa players just stand there and shoot, not much else going on. Since Hazard dropped he is now my main tank and I have so much fun with him compared to Orisa, I think her kit has just become inherently bland and boring compared to most tanks.

[@BPViking]

Yeah that’s valid, glad you learned something

[@rideout3921]

The issue with orisa is that the devs make every single balance change off win rate. when orisa is overpowered the win rate will still be bad because people swap to orisa when the other tank is better than them playing a skillful hero like junker queen doomfist or reinhardt and they get mad and just want to ruin their game. Blizzard doesn't realize orisa isn't bad, orisa players are bad.

[@dustindean4618]

Here I am absolutely love playing her, she was my main in OW1 and the rework in OW2 she was even more fun to play, to me shes one of the most fun characters to play in the game lol

[@BPViking]

I’m glad you enjoy her. Obviously not EVERYONE hates Orisa, just most people do, but of course some will still love any hero. For example, I hate playing as Symmetra, but some people really enjoy it. At the end of the day it’s all subjective, and in reality this video’s main point was just a facade to tell the history of the hero

[@WolfPackAlpha-sn2sw]

You are the bane of my existence. Orisa is as impossible to kill as she is to keep alive. But I'm a Mercy main. I'm still salty about how bad they've made her so OW in general has me jaded af lma

[@garrisoncox724]

I like playing Orisa because her kit feels very tuned for the tank role and purpose of making/denying space and controlling the tempo of a fight.

[@BPViking]

Fair enough

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

She really does feel like the most "tanky" of the tanks, She's this big unmovable hunk of metal

[@thndr_5468]

I really miss halt it was so fun to use man

[@gregoriocosentino4066]

I love playing Orisa but I understand she is frustrating to play against, although she is fun to play

[@BPViking]

Fair enough

[@jsnmota220]

Brig video next. Good work on this in

[@BPViking]

Thanks and yeah you guessed it brig video is next

[@brimp4989]

I feel like people hate on orisa a little less this season because of the multiple small buffs to dva that flew under the radar up until recently to where she’s seen everywhere. Oh yeah and doom where it’s either you get to play the game shooting at a wall with or you get a doom in your face cc’ing you while he still doesn’t die.

[@BPViking]

Yeah orisa hate has lessened as she is less oppressive right now. Although if she gets another buff or two there could be problems

[@the_seahawk22]

Part of the reason I hate orisa now is because she is way too easy to play but her ceiling is way too high. She has a basic boring loop and no skill is required yet you get EXTREME value outta her. Cooldowns don’t work against her, she is unkillable, she does does telegraph any of her moves, and she can do some serious damage by just being hyper aggressive. All of this combined is irritating to play against at best

[@DDDabber44]

Me who plays Orisa, because I love her design and voice lines:

[@lazarack4859]

I'm one of like... two✌people who used to mane Orisa in overwatch 1, but now I can't stand even seeing her Centaur ass in a match. And that's on the now rare chance I play this game at all.

[@RMZ2fiddy333]

Idk I love horse she’s so much fun but I think it would be better for the game if they got rid of fortify and gave her hault back she’d feel way less of an unkillable tank and more of a cc oriented tank