During the setup, specify the location to your external drive. Be prepared to have long load times with sdxc

Thanks, trying to make it my thing

…. Kinda. I believe there a plugin or two that require avx2 for Intel Macs and it only takes 16 GB of ram to balance the M1 to the Mac Pro 2013. I should have yanked some of the ram in the 2013 to see how much the ram affects it. The best way I'd describe it is that a maxed out Intel Mac that has 16GB+ GB at least is as good as an M1 for now.

Logic is not even the best optimized DAW for Apple silicon. Cubase and Reaper take that crown 👑 Go figure

@@dmugonly under Mac OS X. Apple and game developers for BG 3 you need Avx2 to run their game. Well it runs without avx2 under windows.

Funny you mention Drupal as when I mentioned docker, I was 1000% referencing a cursed Drupal workflow mirroring Pantheon's environment, that used 10 (yes ten) Docker containers. I had a MacBook Pro 2017 with 16 GB of RAM and that stupid project would put it into leaf blower mode and often cause the computer to become so slow the mouse would skip because the memory pressure would be in the Red. The funny thing is it only need about 20-24 GB of RAM. When my work got me an M1 Pro with 32 GB of RAM it made a huge world of difference. This was the corporate website for one rather large "orange" corporation's corporate website. I used the LLM example to illustrate how RAM can really make a difference for the people with edge cases. Most normal people aren't trying to run god-forsaken dockerized Drupal, where the default image doesn't have enough memory to run Composer update. My audience skews pretty geeky so edge cases are important.

@@dmug I feel seen by this comment, thanks for sharing!

And yet, it's not that they are TRYING to sell them at that price, they ARE selling for that. I saw one go recently spec'd out like my own for $1100 USD.

@@heavyd2062 That's so gross.

@@QuinsTechCorner and yet it isn’t. If people are willing to pay, then there’s nothing gross about it. It’s called capitalism and supply a need demand. Why something like the Mac Pro 2013 comes out, it’s different and collectible.

​@@heavyd2062 🤮That comment sent me to the hospital. I don't know if I will recover. Please tell my wife I love her.

I really want to nab a 2013 MP for nostalgia's sake [I still remember how awesome it was when our prod. facility's first trashcan arrived], but I wouldn't fork out half that amount for one.

Oh certainly not but short of bit coin mining even in somewhat spendy areas we're talking tens of cents difference in a month normal usage.

Create ISOs from game disks or sail the high seas.

Man, for $650 that's a tough deal to beat if it came with a 4 TB SSD. It's surprising how much the Intel Mac minis go for still. Doesn't seem like they've dropped much in price.

I got lucky and got a great deal. Nobody but me bidded on it. I was shocked. A 15 inch Monitor was included

For sure, anyone who's happy with their 2013 shouldn't upgrade as spending money for the sake of spending money.

Depending on your workflow, you could use even older systems than these. As nice as the speed increase may be, I tend to use even older Macs just as much if not more than the Mac Mini.

Next I want to get is a apple xserver

The Apple server machines are awesome! Those would be fun to use.

Yeah, if you're a video compositor/3D guy, Apple Silicon's RAM pricing is brutal as it's one thing that you can't skimp on.

Those both have major asterisks: 128 GB though lowers the memory speed and the Amfeltec Angelshark Carrier Board only works reliably with SATA SSDs, and costs over $350. I have it linked in my Definitive Mac Pro Upgrade guide but there's a reddit thread that popped up awhile ago that has the best info I've seen that I really need to link to. I looked into buying one awhile back as I thought it'd be interesting to review it but tracking down ACHI (SATA) SSDs + the price meant it was a no-go as there's no way I'd make back the money in views.

@@dmug respect ✊

Indeed, it is a problem although the D300 versions rarely die, which is what I had. I know there were a few mild firmware tweaks to the 2013 to mitigate the issues but it's unclear how effective those have been.

I had a very similar setup: 2x 6-Core, 96 GB of RAM, dual 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Radeon VII, USBc and USB 3.2 Gen 1. I bought originally a MacBook Air M1 16 GB /1 TB and it faster in most tasks than my cMP. Pretty much whatever Apple SIlicon you get, it'll be a significant upgrade.

You'd be surprised how many people have compared The M1 Mini vs the 2013. I'll consider the Mac Mini vs my 2019, but it'll be predictable. In pure CPU tasks the M1 has a big advantage as I only have an 8-Core CPU 2019 and anything GPU related, the Mac Mini would get curb stomped because of the 6900 XT. Also the Mac Pro 2019 has 160 GB of RAM, and 14 TB of NVMe drives + another 2.75 GB of Sata SSDs. They're just in different orbits.

@@dmug Yes, still Ive seen the M1 be better in some cases, in audio production and even closed in video production if I remember correctly

Years ago at launch in 2020, I bought the M1 air in a 16 GB / 1 TB configuration and pretty much gave up using my dual 6-Core Mac Pro 5,1 with 96 GB of RAM, 2 TB (via an Ableconn dual card so it had full PCIe 3.0 speeds), NVMe, Radeon VII, USBc for video editing. The only real complaint was one external display, and had the same RAM limitations as the MacBook Pro 2017 it was replacing thus landed on a M1 Max as my laptop as a few dev chains for work really really really needed 32 GB of RAM. All depends on use case, but if I had to use one of these two machines as my daily driver, it'd be without a question, the Mac Mini M1. Editing video on the 2013 was a terrible experience, and compile times are so much slower.

@@dmug A guy on youtube showed how to put 4 monitors on it

My mac 2013 pro can THREE monitors daaaaaaa Man you too much x)

M2 Pro Mac mini is the best middle ground between the Studio and the Mini. 16-32 GB, 3 displays, 4 thunderbolt ports, and 10GB Ethernet as an option if you need that. Fraction of the cost the Mac Pro was, significantly more powerful overall, silent, cool to the touch under load, and 35 watts at max peak load. 5watts doing ordinary computing.

I love my Mac Pro 2013 with Radeon Vega 56 driving my 27” Cinema Display. Other two displays are 27” Thunderbolt Display. An I’m all m series are throw away , like most appliances today. Also I invest in a lot games and apps for Intel Macs. A lot games and apps don’t work on m series. A thanks to Apple move to m series we lost a lot major game studios. This first blizzard hasn’t released Diablo on Mac , we lost Paradox interactive - no skyline😢

There are stable diffusion video models but the results are pretty bad, you can generate either 14 or 28 frames with the two models. It takes forever, and even using tricks like upscaling, and frame generation in other apps to improve the frame rate, videos are mostly psychedelic smeary messes that are 1-5s long. There’s a few online demos you can play with that are free to use, which do as good of a job (and are faster).

The base floor level of the Apple silicon Mac GPUs is pretty high compared against the iGPUs found in x86, meaning any Apple Silicon Mac has enough GPU horsepower to play modern titles in HD with low-mid settings. While it does suck that the high end GPU options are are a far cry from the top from AMD and Nvidia, the biggest obstacle is Apple’s refusal to support vulkan and a few other common libraries.

I’m not sure if you watched the entire video but I don’t recommend anyone buying a new computer with 8 GB of ram. However, there’s quite a few people who’d never notice/see the performance difference between an 8 vs 16 gb Mac. It’s cynical on Apple’s part that just because of this they should try to get away with ram starved configurations.

@@dmug I did watch it, I'm just tired of it getting free attention, even if it is not a recommendation.

@@markojovanovic9651 Not sure what you mean, this video is not an endorsement of shipping low RAM configs, quite the opposite as I'm debunking th misconceptions than Apple Silicon is somehow better at RAM management. If I just made a video complaining about 8 GB of RAM configurations, that'd do nothing. My goal is if I educate users on how RAM management works, they can make more informed decisions.