Suono fantastico!!!❤❤❤

great sounding playing and horn

I play a 1967 King 3B. I love this horn! To me, the 1957 Silver Sonic has a “sparkle” in its sound from F above midddle C on upwards. From F below middle C down, I hear more warmth. However, the other horn does sound like it slots more easily and responds better in the upper register.

How do I unscrew a bell that is stuck on the collar?

Mine a conn director. Is that quality sound compared to others?

Thank you so much Keith! This video is the reason I decide to choose the 835D over the 835G and other horns. And it is very much the right decision 😁

I own both a Blessing BTB 1488OR which is an open wrap design large bore tenor trombone and a Yamaha YSL-448G Large Bore Tenor Trombone as my ready reserve tenor trombone. I noticed the same thing. The balance point definitely has taken a lot of time getting used, too. I've had my Blessing BTB 1488OR for two months. I also have a 1979 Conn 83H Bass Trombone, which is my primary bass trombone. Playing on an open wrap design large bore tenor trombone does take some time to adjust.

See you there!

It has a very good big tone and is good for soloing and I think it is a good tone for orchestra and brass ensembles. But I wouldn't use it as the lead Trombone in a big band. It just doesn't have the crisp tone to cut through on top. It would get lost in all of that sound.

Good afternoon, do you think that thanks to the extra space there is to place the rod, it would be possible to use it to carry a valve trombone?

Amazing

Quero um 😮

Thats just a valved pocket trombone.

I love my Michael David Plus Trombone

I have long term plans to do this sort of a thing likely with a Yamaha Disklavier System.

Lucky customer!

This is a Trombone. I’m talking about the trigger

Very nice! Beautiful sounds as always! 😎👍🏻🫡

Amazing sound absolutely beautiful

Fantastic; thank you!

I totally agree! Excellent points made! I have made the same comparison on the 1968 Conn 88h (closed) and the Conn 88H CL (open). You hit the nail on the head! Keep the information coming.

Hi Keith, your link doesn't work any more as this is an old video, but Schmitt still carry this K&M trombone stand and if so, is it in stock? Current price? Thanks a lot!

I have the same horn and I, too, have played on a few Conn 88H trombones Elkharts with the spring loaded slide and string linkage on the trigger all the way to the 88HCL 88HO and 88HY closed rap. I've had so many trombones that I've lost count. The Shires I had was, without a doubt, my favorite. it had very unique specs. It had a lightweight nickle .525 bore slide with a wide crook and large shank lead pipes. With exception of the lead pipe, the slide was very similar to a Bach LT36 slide.

I think I'd be an advocate of Bach using better rotors. From my understanding, the 36 and 42 use the same rotor. Two VERY different horns

I currently own a Bach LT42AG which is an open wrap gold brass bell with lightweight nickel slide and Hagmann valve. It is a very adequate horn. I cut my teeth on a Conn 88H and worked hard to get the 88H to “sound” the same across the bottom to the top for my teacher. I don’t feel the changes to airflow to accommodate the increased changes in resistance between the Bb and F attachment. I might be able to distinguish between the horns in a blind test. I also have had a 42B. I like my straight LT42G over any of them. I currently most often use a Conn 78H. The slide is one of the best that I have played on. It probably didn’t come from the factory like that. Clark Terry always said, “It isn’t the horn.” It is personal preference, what sounds and feels the best to the player. It is also a desirable goal to play on a horn that meets the individual performance requirements, which may not be the same for individual players. Thanks for a great video.

Thanks Keith, remember Bach was a big advocate for “controlled resistance “. My tenor for years was a Bach 42BO, traded for a Getzen 3047, lower register was too closed on the Bach. After playing Bach instruments, I noticed a clear difference between Mt. Vernon, vs. Abilene vs. others. Quite a bit of difference in horns! Yamaha, on the other hand pretty much played similar. My bass trombone (ybl 613G) was traded in for a Shires Q series, closed vs. open wrap. Playing since 1970. BTW- thanks Keith!!

1) I was multitasking while the video was playing (not looking at the screen the whole time), and am convinced that I couldn't tell which horn was being played unless I looked at the screen 2) I think it's interesting that Keith spent most of his comments talking about how the different horns felt rather than how they sounded. Having said that, I think it would be interesting for you to do another video, playing the same excerpts on the different horns, BUT somehow conceal which horn you are playing ('blind taste test so to speak'), and see what comments you get on the video. ONLY reveal which horn was which in a separate video. See what that yields. My 'geek out' over horn comparisons continues if you want to keep reading... 1) I've been to the Bach factory 5 times and purchased 4 different horns from those visits. 2) Based on my experience at the factory, I believe you could easily find 2 closed wrap horns (or 2 open wrap horns) that play SO differently from one another that you would definitely choose one over the other. That was my experience at the factory. There were brand new horns there that I had NO interest in taking home with me. And the ones that I did take home with me I am happy with to this day...40 years later. (see also @robertmarsh3588 's related comment below) A final comment about Bach...I have a Bach Strad trumpet that I have been playing for over 20 years. A young student of mine was ready to step up to a Strad some years back. I went to a local music store and tried 5 of their horns before my student got there. I felt that only 2 of them were worth considering, and one of them better than the other. I had my student try all 5 horns without telling him which one I thought was best. And, unsurprisingly, he chose the very one.

Really interesting video, thank you. I have several trombones, including a 42BO (Gold bell) and 88H and 88HO, and a couple of Shires, one with their standard dual bore valve and one with a thayer. I normally play on one of the Conns, however. I agree with your comments, and I usually prefer an open wrap, especially as I don't like too much resistance. One aspect you haven't touched on - the F tubing, and any other metalwork such as the sound bars on instruments like the Getzen 4147IB, can not only affect the response of the instrument, but also how the player hears and feels the sound they are producing. I sometimes wonder if the difference I perceive between my Conn 88H and HO is more down to this. I've also found such a huge variation between specific Conn 88 models (I've played 20 or more, owned 5 and always swapped bell and slide sections before buying) such that the openness and response of the trombone due to the valve section is a far less significant a factor than the slide and lead pipe which seems to primarily determine how well the instrument plays.

Voigt makes great stuff! I’m sure it will be a great event!

Interesting as per usual. To put in historical context, pit the 88HSGXCL against a 1962 Conn 88H. That comparison will make blisteringly clear why open wraps got a foothold! As Arte Johnson said on LAUGH-IN: “VERY INTEREESTING” Joe, 80, old, but not dead…..YET!

I Love how u pronounce it. Great trombones by the way

Hey Keith, obviously I’m in Japan and can’t come, are you going to do a play test video? I’m really curious how these horns sound

Man you make this horn SING Keith!!

Wondering how it will do on a JPRath 333 bass.

Beautiful 😍

Beautiful job.

Glorious! Very smooth and beautiful sound! 😎🥹👍🏻🫡

Beautiful horn-like sound. Nice job.👍🏼

I’m just here to listen to Papa Keith rip 🤘🤘🤘

Great sound

A 4AL is not just a 4AL - they differ surprisingly much in size throughout the different years. The first 4ALs are more of a size 5, and the 4ALs from late 80ies are about a size 3. I like the Denis Wick mouthpieces, and use them alot, but if you buy one, new or second hand, make sure you test them on your face first!

Nice playing, Low notes sounds good! Can you help me identify the name of this familiar trombone piece?

Bravo!! Some excellent playing! 👏

Bravo, wonderful playing! When will appear the Bach-Spirself, the self-playing trombone on the market? 🤔 Would look spooky 🫣

He kinda dissed the string linkage of the vintage horns but I honestly prefer it over the direct linkage

What trombone model is that?

Just lovely ❤🎶🎶🎶🎄Thanks 😊

Heaven ❤

That's the most nice wall decoration I have seen😊

I have an early 80's 36b I have mine paired with a Bach 3 mouthpiece. I found that to be a combo I like. That said If I had to choose a medium bore horn then I would opt for a Conn 79H (BTW I pair mine with a Megatone 5GS).