Do you use Habermas sociologist approach when gathering data?

Thank you for the excellent and informative work from an evaluation giant about another evaluation giant. A learning experience full of deep understanding, care, and humility.

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Thank you so much for very good explanation!

Bob is - alongside with Michael Scriven - the person who, in his professional biography and for the evaluation profession and evaluation science, initiated the striking paradigm shift at the end of the 1970s, in Bob's terminology towards "responsive evaluation". Today, this thinking underlies most widely used (English-language) textbooks and has also initiated the turn towards the utilisation-focused evaluation that dominates them (see the review of Alkin&Christie "Evaluation Roots" in the currently published "Zeitschrift für Evaluation"). Anyone who wants to understand what evaluation 'really' is should consult Michael's magnificent appraisal.

Evaluators speak truth to power? I am not so sure. Speaking truth is a mission of scientists. Should jesters tell us that Earth is not flat? Popularization of (evaluation) science is important. However, it should not lead to infantilization, even to perversion of the profession. I would not relate evaluators to Shakespeare but to Socrates - he only knows he knows nothing: the essence of knowledge is not foolishness but the void (Heisenberg, Derrida, Sartre, Lacan, Žižek). We need to be careful with metaphors in the post-truth era.

Thank you so much for this very informative and purposeful video

I like that the acronym SCIONS evokes metaphorical « green shoots » of social innovation. The sociological law also seems biomimetik of the relationship among adaptive resilience and intra specific, inter specific and ecosystem diversity. iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1755-1315/1072/1/012012/pdf

great presentation, it is a pity some is typing in the background

I learn so much with you! I only did not get the interrelation part…😊

Thanks for posting. I’m disappointed I missed this presentation

🎉Thank you for revisiting ontological, educative, catalytic and tactical authenticity as sensitizing concepts. The framework offers inspiration for fulsome, exciting theories of use specific differential experiences of rights-holders in a context. Also, the early definition of “authentic assessment” made it clear why culturally responsive assessment is so important.

A powerful government inherently attracts narcissistic sociopaths to its ranks. As the coercive power of the state expands and individual liberty is curbed, more sociopathic politicians will be enticed into its ranks.

Dear Dr. Patton, Thank you very much for makeing such helpful videos!

Both foot and mind tapping. Great work guys.

love it :) Thanks for getting this posted ~

I love it!! 🙂

So how did it go?

This is a second song about Evaluation. It's great. The first song that i heard was Impact Blues by Terry Smutylo.

Couldn’t attend this year’s AEA but listening to this song brought me closer to the essence of this year’s gathering. Thanks and greetings from Morocco!

Great work Mr Patton. Thank you for making monitoring and evaluation more relatable

Absolutely enjoyed the insightful video. Thanks for puttingthese videos together! You are an inflencer!

Thank you Micheal for a wonderful tribute to Scriven. One of the most enjoyable debates I attended was the one the two of you did in San Diego in 1997. We were lucky to have him.

Is the evaluation tree and the evaluation theory tree the same thing?

Thank you MQP for the tribute. Truly comprehensive of the life and contribution Prof. Scriven made. Indeed...., we have lost and will forever miss a great pioneer in the evaluation industry. I met him at IPDET 2011

Thank you Michael for this tribute - captures decades of contribution made by Michael Scriven. Very special when one giant of evaluation honors another giant in evaluation.

I always remember both Michaels ( Skriven and Patton) being keynote speakers at an Australation Evaluation Society conference in Auckland in 2003. Two giants in the field, and two amazing people.

I'm grateful I was around to see him speak on multiple occasions

A huge loss to the worldwide evaluation and policy making community. Your legacy will be permanent.

Thank you very much for opening the KZbin. THANK YOU for your book, qualitative research and evaluation methods. Your book made me understand what qualitative research is. It is great to have a chance to express my thankfulness. <3

Greetings Michael, we met at the AEA meeting in San Diego circa 1998/99. Thank you so much for taking the time to put this channel together.

Michael, thank you very much for this review and the many relevant references to the discussion of this book. Although I agree with many of them, I disagree with you as follows: 1 That the Theory Tree is "out of date" (18:20) , I find a judgement of an insider who does not think enough about the world view of outsiders. I am thinking especially of evaluation education - here outsiders need a first orientation, in botany we would say: an "identification book" - I don't know a more up-to-date one for this than Evaluation Roots. When they have worked out the central identification features, they can go into the forest with it and identify trees and maybe even discover a new species. 2 You say this: the evaluation theory tree has influenced all (sic!) practicing theorists to integrate valuing, methods and use in their practice. This statement certainly does not apply to German-speaking countries: recently, at a conference, following my keynote, I had a very friendly public discussion with a representative of critical rationalism who heads a department on evaluation at a major German university. That working systematically with values is an indispensable task of evaluation science is a very alien view of the world for him. I suspect he is not alone in the world in this. I sincerely hope that your "out of date" is not quoted in academic papers without the context you provide, even by ChatGPT.

Thanks for this historical anecdote! Quite timely! Happy Independence Day!

🎉biomimicry 🎉 with a metaphore of strategies by which a subspecies of eval theory adapts a viable relationship with air water and nutrients (use-methods -valuing) in their ecosystem- and adjust their outputs to the ecosystem 🎉

While I was not aware of the terminology and the concept name, I started implementing the evaluation forest and I quote based on the "natural landscape" especially in the context of the middle east and particularly Lebanon with economic and political crises reflected on other "landscapes". I decided to let it grow organically and ended up with, as you concluded, "a new forest of evaluation made up of many different varieties of evaluation"

Thank you very much for sharing your approach, it is extremely valuable and appreciated.

Thanks for this.

Beautiful we needed this.

😍A powerful compilation of insights that has greatly affected my understanding of not only evaluation but also other fields that I work within such as food, economics, ecology and sociology. A hearty thank-you for this teaching!!

I will be finally able to speak to my nieces about what I do! And probably it may be useful to wider audiences ;) Thanks again, Michael.

thanks for uploading this.

Interesting indeed

Thank you for sharing - such an effective way of summarizing the difference between outputs and outcomes, AND conveying the underlying messages around the significance of Evaluative Thinking and the Power of Story 🙏

Evaluator-who-loves-system-perspective viewpoint: I think Mike Jackson has a lot to offer in terms of systems science...I will definitely check him out as I seek to advance my systems understanding. I am particularly interested in his point about all of the systems concepts that evaluators have perhaps not yet considered. My take home from this debate and career as an evaluator is that you really need to have years inside of the belly of the evaluation beast to be able to adequately critique the application of systems concepts within evaluation. I agreed with Patton's arguments as they relate to evaluation. He did a great job of repping the field--itself arguably a complex, adaptive system that will likely evolve as a result of ongoing debate. One lesson for me here is that, in the same way that a systems expert may fall short in seeking to understand evaluation (which Jackson awesomely acknowledged), I imagine that evaluators need to approach systems thinking with the same humility and curiosity (which Patton awesomely suggested). Perhaps instead of a rematch, a co-created KZbin session by the two Michaels is in order.

I’ll never apologize for being white. I earned everything I have. Gfy

Thank you, Michael Patton. You are a valuable asset in the evaluation space and appreciate that your wealth of experience is shared here to help us understand key concepts of evaluation including emerging concepts of evaluation and the evolution of evaluation.

thank you for putting this up - it was a very interesting discussion to attend

Thank you for this. I have been thinking that it would be amazing to have an evaluation superhero, with symbolic costumes and the kind of superpowers that it would have. This book definitely provides a lot of insights.

Thank you, I am using very similar concepts in my practice to accompany the transformation of Residential Child Care programs in Italy. The systemic view can have many different interpretations. So many people claim to use a systemic framework, but then, what I see in their practice is linearity, the idea of separated phases (you have first to observe, than plan, then evaluate) and "best practices" is dominant in the field. Responsiveness and reflexivity are my keywords. I am tracking your work, really very useful.

Great idea of a great talented evaluationist.... Happy Relationship Evaluation Day, MQ Patton. God bless us to receive evaluation blessings more and more from you in the days to come.