Plumber just thinking out loud here: If you can drop a few more feet in hight, further away in distance downstream , extend with a flexible pipe (rigid enough so atmosphere won't colapse it) with end fully submerged (in same manner as your bucket) in small body of pooling water. You want a water vaccum-column downstream of your turbine that is the tallest as possible, the biggest in size and the most sealled from air entry . You want that syphon to suck like there is no tomorrow.! Yep, extend your outake downstream while maintaining the vaccum in it. I love your idea because it's a low impact system. Incredible potential of usage for existing hydrolic ressources. Your intake can have a check valve with D.C electric water pump to prime (turn on) your system at the push of a button too. Good Job, and good luck! and keep us posted!
@HenryOwens-py3ur4 күн бұрын
What propella are you useing ? Archimedes propeller would be the ultimate syphon prop on the shaft of the electical generator, could 3d print one and 3d print a shorter, which would change the pitch resulting in more watts or less.
@Beyond_The_Print4 күн бұрын
Basically a small version of my tow turbine prop. It's similar to a boat prop and have been considering the screw turbine for this as I've actually made an archimedes screw turbine!
@HenryOwens-py3ur4 күн бұрын
Ah, very cool, I guess I shall be looking forward to the archimedes screw video. I would recommend incaseing the generator in a plastic pipe with a cooling fan underneath on the same shaft, the boat prop would do with a closer diameter then the generator, thinking your going to have to disburse some heated ball bearings.
@Beyond_The_Print4 күн бұрын
@@HenryOwens-py3ur that video is actually already on the channel! It was an open style design during that test. This will be something I'll need to look into more as load increases thank you again!
@HenryOwens-py3ur4 күн бұрын
That archimedes screw does have a very shallow pitch for a syphon hydro, it would have to be a very good fit in the pipe with minimal tolerance. Good luck.
@Beyond_The_Print4 күн бұрын
@HenryOwens-py3ur thank you! I'll have to test this out! Hope you liked the vid too
@DanRyan-v5y6 күн бұрын
Watch your outlet doesnt undercut the bank. Best to run it back into the mainflow
@Beyond_The_Print6 күн бұрын
I should have shown this more, it does further down and in the summer water is almost a foot over the entire board
@yonysu6 күн бұрын
Se ata el eje del motor a el cable de freno y al eje de la jelice y el motor lo sacas del agua
@EhhAbob6 күн бұрын
I hope you're able to get some free electricity from the water😊
@Beyond_The_Print6 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@frequencywatchers7 күн бұрын
If the torck is thedere, put two systsm in the one spin
@Beyond_The_Print6 күн бұрын
That's hopefully coming in the future I think I have a few kinks to work out first, but thank you!
@hubertcumberdale81757 күн бұрын
Is your turbine at the top? Im pretty sure you want it at the bottom so you capture all that potential energy as kinetic.
@truckywuckyuwu7 күн бұрын
The siphoning action does that.
@Beyond_The_Print6 күн бұрын
It's about 1.5 ft down so yes closer to top. I've been working on a few ideas to get it lower, im also limited to shaft length as it's hard to find super long ones as easily. Then the deflection is amplified as I get further away from brace but I'm working on an inline brace to fix this problem. Lastly I was under the impression as it's a "closed" system the flow is the same throughout. Thank you for this comment
@jordanrobberecht70036 күн бұрын
@Beyond_The_Print yes, because the tube is closed, the energy in the system is the same throughout. It matters little where the turbine is placed, assuming the outflow tube extends all the way to the lower reservoir. Very cool project
@Beyond_The_Print6 күн бұрын
@@jordanrobberecht7003 that was my understanding of it but seems simple enough to test. Thank you for the comment!
@garthh73147 күн бұрын
nice damn turbine
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
🤣🤣 thanks
@SuperGorli7 күн бұрын
9 ampere at what voltage?
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
No load was applied in this. Voltage was 9
@treesareafewofmyfavoritethings7 күн бұрын
Just found your channel and it's super exciting to see more people experimenting with small scale hydro! You mention that this is a vortex generator, I'm not sure if that's technically true - or maybe it is I'm not sure, it's just not what I understand them to be! Check out the vortex generators made by turbulent the belgian hydro company. I've been thinking about building a small version of their systems for a while. It seems like a really promising design for low head high flow situations but I've not seen any decent DIY versions
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
I think you're technically right but it gets confusing as the water does still swirl but not before the impeller only after the interaction takes place. Thank you for the comment! I will look into this more I've been following them for a while and even started with a design but it's been on the back burners for a while now.
@mangjay807 күн бұрын
Nice kaplan
@superdooper507 күн бұрын
No way dude! this is sick! love seeing projects like this.
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
Thank you!!
@jasonhunter26117 күн бұрын
You might want a 3D print something over that hole in your porch
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
🤣🤣
@jasonhunter26117 күн бұрын
If they had one of these turbine set up at every little waterfall or damn that they had across the city we would never have to pay for electric
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
Pretty crazy to think about
@jasonhunter26117 күн бұрын
You could have just used a front fork off of a bike
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
This had to be custom spaced and I didn't have any of those laying around unfortunately
@nimrodsmusic7 күн бұрын
The drag of the motor will slow the water down and the fish will drown.
@christopherhawkins4367 күн бұрын
Definitely a valid concern that will require some engineering to avoid that. Good call out!
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
Haha good one
@ericrocheleau76097 күн бұрын
Ever think of combining you cable driven setup.. invertor spoked top ish.. to create reststrction and spin at the outlet.
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
That would be really interesting and something I will look into. Thank you!
@thebassassin55078 күн бұрын
Put another valve down from vacuum inlet.So you can close that instead of using the bucket on the string?
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
I would need a valve on both ends to get away with this. The bucket also keeps air from going up the siphon. Thank you for the suggestion tho I'll see if it can work
@thebassassin55078 күн бұрын
Did you put the bucket under the outlet for any specific reason?
@glennkon7 күн бұрын
usually for gpm calculations
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
Keeps air from going up the system and also allows me to start the turbine
@Beyond_The_Print7 күн бұрын
This it true, but in this case it was mostly for keeping air out of the system
@rossconverse90679 күн бұрын
I think it's great that your partner is helping you with this, kudos to her!
@Beyond_The_Print9 күн бұрын
I share the kind words, thank you!
@lyleclark3259 күн бұрын
You need a housing for the impeller that will keep it straight then you can connect your pvc pipe to the housing. I could be wrong but the closer the blade tips are to the ( turbine duct or housing )ID of the pipe the better performance you will get
@Beyond_The_Print9 күн бұрын
That is absolutely correct. This has alot to do with the amount of water that would be allowed to pass by. As water is "sticky" in a sense it will have alot sticking to the edges of the pipe. Therefore allowing it to pass through with no interaction on the turbine. More so than an open design
@lyleclark3259 күн бұрын
@@Beyond_The_Print making a separate housing for the impeller would be a lot easier then trying to integrate one into the existing pvc pipe
@Beyond_The_Print9 күн бұрын
@@lyleclark325 this hadn't even crossed my mind for this project. Thank you
@jeremywiddoes64819 күн бұрын
Increase your water pressure with a narrower tip maybe get a little bit more power
@Beyond_The_Print9 күн бұрын
I like this suggestion, check out my video where I also added another hose. That also really helped as expected
@lyleclark3259 күн бұрын
A charge controller might help by regulating the voltage spikes
@Beyond_The_Print9 күн бұрын
This is a great idea! I'm going to try and add one once we can sustain 12+ volts. Thank you
@jeremywiddoes64819 күн бұрын
I want to see you add a Maurice bracket that comes from the tip of your cone to your motor mounting spot you can lose a lot of power because of friction making that sturdy may increase your output in theory
@Beyond_The_Print9 күн бұрын
I was wondering what the name of such a bracket would be, thank you! I tried to replicate this with my own mounting
@BazzaroRealm10 күн бұрын
Let’s see some data. Freaking awesome
@Beyond_The_Print10 күн бұрын
Full video definitely shows alot more. This test we were able to get 9v. I should have tested the load at that point, but we ended up running into some testing issues.
@JimboReeves-x1i10 күн бұрын
Looks like Success
@Beyond_The_Print10 күн бұрын
Getting there!
@Beyond_The_Print11 күн бұрын
Full video up now! kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYnWgpSPhZiGnpo
@rikkiesix14 күн бұрын
Maybe try a scooter motor. They seems to give pretty good voltage. Connect it straight to the axle, the speed of the impeller will go up. Much less dragg
@Beyond_The_Print14 күн бұрын
Going to look into one right now! Thank you
@SurvivalSquirrel14 күн бұрын
You should build a platform, or go to another place. Your health is just to prescious! Or at least cut away the bushes!!!
@Beyond_The_Print14 күн бұрын
Haha I've contemplated but try and leave things the way they are as much as I can (even if they should be maintained). I've been looking for other spots
@PhonePhone-sf8te15 күн бұрын
yay
@Beyond_The_Print14 күн бұрын
😁
@benholroyd522115 күн бұрын
Suggestions. 1. The water has most power right at the bottom, so thats where you want the impeller. 2. The water will tend to cling to the pipe, so unless you have a tight tolerance on your impeller, you might well be losing a lot of potential energy down the sides I would suggest adding a rod/axle guide just above the impeller, you can then have a tighter tolerance, you could also make it guide the water like the fixed vanes on a steam turbine. 3. More impellers. I suspect this ends up as a torque v speed trade off, but youd definitely gain from more impellers. 4. A valve at the bottom, close it to fill with water to start the siphon, you could also use it to stop, start and throttle power generation.
@Beyond_The_Print14 күн бұрын
I wanna start by thanking you for taking the time to write this. I will work on moving it down further to capture more of the energy. The tolerance now is pretty tight. My build video shows this better even though I changed the impeller. I really like the idea of an internal brace. I contemplated doing this but didn't want to limit the flow. I'll try working on something that has very limited effect on this. The more impeller idea is also really interesting. I'll add this one to the list as well. I was almost thinking like a flipper valve but this would only allow me to start it. It would also be very hard to access at the bottom but I may have an idea for this. Thank you again I look forward to your next comments!
@SurvivalSquirrel14 күн бұрын
1. You have to be more specific. At the bottom, the water has lost all its kinetic energy... 2. Allthough a gap will let water through unused, a tight gap will also cause some friction. 3. One good impeller would be enough. Or some techniques aquired from steam turbines, like fixed blades for example. One more thing which i consider more important, is to seal the pipe connections!
@benholroyd522114 күн бұрын
@@Beyond_The_Print re flow rate. Maybe? I've tried reasoning about it and just confused myself, ultimately, if it blocks less than the impeller, it won't be the limiting factor
@benholroyd522114 күн бұрын
@@SurvivalSquirrel ok. Sorry, the water has most energy somewhere between the shockwave from the column of water below hitting the concrete, and the electron and protons of the water and concrete repelling each other. This is all outside of the siphon system though, so it's kind of just been pedantic for the sake of being pedantic, which is the best kind of pedantic.
@SurvivalSquirrel14 күн бұрын
@@benholroyd5221 great arguments.... *facepalm*
@benholroyd522115 күн бұрын
3:25 thats what she said
@adrianjadry887615 күн бұрын
Really good explanations , great video dude.
@Beyond_The_Print15 күн бұрын
Thank you! Looking forward to this one
@ICBrewski15 күн бұрын
Good dam video
@Beyond_The_Print15 күн бұрын
🤣 good one, and thank you
@benholroyd522115 күн бұрын
@@Beyond_The_PrintI'm just glad you didn't 'dam'age yourself getting down there.
@Beyond_The_Print14 күн бұрын
@@benholroyd5221 well I'll be 'dam'ed now I wanna see how many we can come up with 🤣
@Beyond_The_Print15 күн бұрын
The Dam Test Video Drops Tomorrow!
@SurvivalSquirrel15 күн бұрын
Very good. You should 3D print a piece for the upper portion at the rod (inside the tube), so water would (kind of) flow evenly, without much disturbance.
@Beyond_The_Print15 күн бұрын
This is a great idea, im going to look into this further!
@rikkiesix15 күн бұрын
Niiiice
@Beyond_The_Print15 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@thebogdan00719 күн бұрын
Some typical value at which e-bike hub motors provide maximum regenerative braking power is arround 500 rpm - or aproximately 8.5 rotations per second. If you reach that rpm with your turbine, you will also reach the maximum power that your hub motor can provide. Depending on the controller design, it can be somewhere in the range of 150 - 400 W.
@Beyond_The_Print19 күн бұрын
I really appreciate the comment but I want to point out I'm not working off the motor regen (don't believe it has it). I'm actually working against its normal rotation allowing for maximum output with no controller currently. I will double check to ensure this is the case. Thank you!
@thebogdan00719 күн бұрын
@@Beyond_The_Print Anyway - the point stays the same and I will reformulate it : This hub motor, when working in mode of synchronous three phase generator is designed to reach its pick electrical power output at arround 500 rpm or 8.5 rotations per second. Adjust the turbine design and height of water fall, or use gear ratio that will bring the generator at 500 rpm and you will gain maximum power. No matter that you do not use controller. The same 500 rpm states for raw power from your generator. The point of my comment is to help you : which rpm value to aim in the design.
@CadlyAU21 күн бұрын
Awesome video dude! Just subscribed
@Beyond_The_Print21 күн бұрын
Thank you for the support and subscribing!
@RyanHenrie99924 күн бұрын
Just a tip, power is a ratio of torque and speed. If you were to hook a chain between the motor sprockets and the turbine, the power output would be the same. The sprockets are only changing the ratio of speed and torque. They will not increase the power output of the motor.
@Beyond_The_Print24 күн бұрын
This could be a bit misleading, if the speed of the motor increases due to the change in ratio the power would be expected to increase. I believe your example refers to when the maximum amount of energy is captured by the turbine then changing the ratio would have limited effect.
@RyanHenrie99924 күн бұрын
@Beyond_The_Tint No I still stand by my original statement. If you think about an electric bike, the power output of the motor is the same regardless of what gear you've selected. If you take your wheel and replace it with a turbine then no matter which gear you select, the power generated by the motor is the same, only the speed changes if you change the gear. Source: I'm a mechanical engineer.
@Beyond_The_Print24 күн бұрын
If power Is the ratio of torque to speed then this must not be true. If torque is the same and RPM increase then the power must also increase. Also a mechanical engineer
@RyanHenrie99924 күн бұрын
@@Beyond_The_Print but the torque is not the same. When you change gears to increase the speed on the motor, the applied torque to the motor decreases. The power put into the system by the waterfall is just transferred to the motor through the gears and is conserved. If you could get increased power using a chain and sprocket, then you could just keep increasing the ratio for an unlimited amount of power out of one waterfall.
@Beyond_The_Print24 күн бұрын
@@RyanHenrie999 check out my Pelton turbine videos. The pulley and belt increased the power of the motor because it allows for the fine tuning of the optimal power output. Obviously this cannot be done unlimitedly but there is potentially a "sweet spot" for more power.
@jfeeney10024 күн бұрын
Have the water go over the top, and not under. That should up the power a bit. Also look at pelton wheel designs. They have proven to be the most efficient. It looks like you have a fairly big 3D printer making these water wheels. With some skillful 3D modeling, you could make a pelton wheel design that will show huge improvements.
@Beyond_The_Print24 күн бұрын
You should check out my Pelton turbines! I've been working on a few different ideas to try and make this work. Stay tuned, thanks for the suggestions and I'll have to try flipping it over
@johnemmanuelle682124 күн бұрын
Where did you get the hub motor?
@Beyond_The_Print24 күн бұрын
It was an extra from an ebike I go. They can be found all over ebay and Amazon!
@johnemmanuelle682124 күн бұрын
@@Beyond_The_Print Thank you. Excellent video.
@Beyond_The_Print24 күн бұрын
@johnemmanuelle6821 no problem! Glad you liked it
@loriekaczmarek978825 күн бұрын
Maybe you could add some hooks to the top poles of your ladder. So you can hang it without having to hold it and let it do it's thing.
@Beyond_The_Print24 күн бұрын
I actually tried letting the emergency hooks hold the weight it seemed to do alright!
@TheRainHarvester25 күн бұрын
How is the motor water proofed?
@Beyond_The_Print24 күн бұрын
Hopes and dreams currently
@loriekaczmarek978825 күн бұрын
Powering a couple heaters? Pretty dang good if you ask me.
@Beyond_The_Print24 күн бұрын
I think so too!
@renaudvantyghem654025 күн бұрын
Hey, I just found your site.. it's good, well I see you hit your 1000. Congratulations! You have some funny ads coming up getting to your site. Anyway you asked a few times about suggestions. Another cool water power project is the ram pump. A 3d printed version would be cool. Might be fun designing on CAD. Keep up your creativity, you are on the road to the future . Like computers, video games and mobile phones were in the 80s. Ya in the 1900s. Now is CAD, Design, 3d printing, power generation and eco friendly. You have it all. Good luck kid!
@Beyond_The_Print25 күн бұрын
Are you referring to the blog post? If so that's not owned or operated by me In any manner. I really appreciate their post and time it took to write it! Thank you for the kind words on my channel and I've been trying to think of an design to generate power from this as well. I was also considering a wave generator but this is vastly more complex
@GrumpyDohBoy25 күн бұрын
My first thought was to pick some size drill bit and start with one hole on each side of every bucket. You could dial in exactly the speed you want slowly removing the same amount from each side of every bucket. Until you reach the flow you're looking for
@Beyond_The_Print25 күн бұрын
This is a good idea too! If you haven't seen the open style one check that out. We were able to get a little more power out of that one
@GrumpyDohBoy25 күн бұрын
@Beyond_The_Tint I watched that first. Still your closed buckets allows you to slowly cut away now and figure out the optimal water flow.
@casemodder8925 күн бұрын
that poor girl must be fed up with your projects 😅